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2020-09-18 11:34:50 AM  
What he's trying to say is that we should just give defense contractors all our money.  No need to be afraid, unless it helps part us from our filthy lucre, of course.
 
2020-09-18 11:36:32 AM  
And they have more people, too. Like a bazillion more!
 
2020-09-18 11:36:52 AM  
Thanks, Obama!
 
2020-09-18 11:37:32 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: What he's trying to say is that we should just give defense contractors all our money.  No need to be afraid, unless it helps part us from our filthy lucre, of course.


Exactly.  It may actually be true, but they always say this type of thing, and it usually turns out to be bullshiat, going all the way back to JFK's missile gap at least.

Actually, I just remembered Truman having to "scare the hell" out of the American people
 
2020-09-18 11:43:03 AM  

Naido: Marcus Aurelius: What he's trying to say is that we should just give defense contractors all our money.  No need to be afraid, unless it helps part us from our filthy lucre, of course.

Exactly.  It may actually be true, but they always say this type of thing, and it usually turns out to be bullshiat, going all the way back to JFK's missile gap at least.

Actually, I just remembered Truman having to "scare the hell" out of the American people


The first President that wanted to get onto the global stage to be 'noticed as a power' was Teddy Roosevelt. He built a navy to sail around the world to show off. I don't remember if it was in response to the Kaiser in Germany threatening Venezuela or not.
 
2020-09-18 12:03:40 PM  
Just because those takeout boxes float doesn't mean they count as naval assets.
 
2020-09-18 12:06:14 PM  
We have like 50-60 submarines.

Not worried.
 
2020-09-18 12:06:28 PM  
Yeah, I'm more afraid of our lackluster cyberwarfare capabilities and complete inability to defend our electrical grid, businesses intellectual property, bank/government private data, and election security than I am about China deciding to start a land war on the U.S. and using their large navy to logistically make it happen.
 
2020-09-18 12:06:56 PM  
We can not afford a missile ship gap!
 
2020-09-18 12:07:57 PM  
good thing the Stars and Stripes was saved
 
2020-09-18 12:08:15 PM  

exqqqme: We have like 50-60 submarines.

Not worried.


Yeah, we're both members of the nuclear club with boomer subs, after that everything else in a head to head conflict is superfluous.
 
2020-09-18 12:09:32 PM  
Who's approving these headlines?
 
2020-09-18 12:09:38 PM  
"Americans do not understand the severity of the military threats posed by China, particularly its ability to strike the U.S. mainland with a nuclear weapon, a top U.S. commander said Monday."

Oh fark off. MAD applies just like it has since the beginning - China's just making sure that they've got a big enough chip pile to be a serious player at the table.
 
2020-09-18 12:10:17 PM  
It's not the size of the ship, it's the motion of the ocean.
 
2020-09-18 12:10:34 PM  
Hell, they used to call Teddy Roosevelt's birthday "Navy Day" until the 1970s.

Throughout his life, Roosevelt acted as one of the Navy's greatest promoters. His first book, The Naval War of 1812, demonstrated the importance of the Navy to the defense of the United States. As Assistant Secretary of the Navy, he was instrumental in the U.S. Navy's victories in the Spanish-American War; and as President, he oversaw the build-up of the battle fleet and ordered the world cruise of the Great White Fleet.

https://usnhistory.navylive.dodlive.m​i​l/2017/10/23/theodore-roosevelt-and-na​vy-day/

The idea of sending the new battle fleet around the world was the brainchild of the energetic "Teddy" Roosevelt, former colonel of the Rough Riders and one-time assistant secretary of the Navy. Assuming the presidency after the assassination of President William McKinley in 1901, Roosevelt brought to the White House a deep conviction that only through a strong navy could a nation project its power and prestige abroad.

https://www.history.navy.mil/research​/​library/online-reading-room/title-list​-alphabetically/c/cruise-great-white-f​leet-mckinley.html
 
2020-09-18 12:10:39 PM  
I'm so tired of winning.
 
2020-09-18 12:10:43 PM  
Stars and Stripes says I have four articles left. Presumably, before Trump shuts down the whole publication as liberal propaganda.
 
2020-09-18 12:10:57 PM  
What this means is that under no circumstances can we afford to improve the lives of average Americans because we cannot afford doomsday gap.
 
2020-09-18 12:11:08 PM  
Why would China care about destroying the United States when Dipshiat Donnie is it doing it for them with 40% of the country backing him?
 
2020-09-18 12:11:37 PM  
China's Navy has no real experience in a shooting war. Their tactics are not based  on real world actions.
Might be bigger, but they have no real idea wtf they are doing.  

Not that it would be a easy fight...
 
2020-09-18 12:11:49 PM  
Every man, woman and child needs to own a military watercraft.
 
2020-09-18 12:12:30 PM  
America is broke. We can't afford more of anything. Time for some tax cuts for the rich.
 
2020-09-18 12:12:33 PM  
Their bioweapons are quite effective.
 
2020-09-18 12:12:37 PM  

BigNumber12: "Americans do not understand the severity of the military threats posed by China, particularly its ability to strike the U.S. mainland with a nuclear weapon, a top U.S. commander said Monday."

Oh fark off. MAD applies just like it has since the beginning - China's just making sure that they've got a big enough chip pile to be a serious player at the table.


Yeah somehow having 20-30 more ships would stop China from nuking the US? LOL
 
2020-09-18 12:12:44 PM  

fark'emfeed'emfish: Who's approving these headlines?


The Drew Bot.
 
2020-09-18 12:12:44 PM  
So after investing heavily in high performance anti-ship missiles that can sink our huge number of very expensive ships China's building huge numbers of very expensive ships that can be sunk by our high performance anti-ship missiles?

Makes sense
 
2020-09-18 12:12:51 PM  
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2020-09-18 12:13:36 PM  

Jelly Bean Raider: China's Navy has no real experience in a shooting war. Their tactics are not based  on real world actions.
Might be bigger, but they have no real idea wtf they are doing.  

Not that it would be a easy fight...


The current American Navy has no experience in winning a war either.
 
2020-09-18 12:13:43 PM  
It's the End of the World as We Know It and I feel fine.

Most of the answers are in song lyrics.
 
2020-09-18 12:16:06 PM  
its terrible that we've always been in a trade war with china.  if we were ever good solid trading partners with them - or even had a huge trade deficit where they were buying lots of assets here - then they'd be stupid to do anything against us that would wreck their own economy.  but im sure we'd never do anything as utterly moronically short sighted as mess that up, so it must have always been that way.

i mean if we had once been their most valued trade partner then we might have even used some sort of trans-pacific partnership as a negotiation table to influence their expansion across the asia/pacific region.  it sucks that such a thing never existed.  we could have used our political influence as a lever against china expanding into the south pacific and africa and gained significant economic ties to other nations and all kinds of things.  and then at the same time exerted economic and political influence to try to curb china's worse political and military impulses.  but we just never had the chance.  oh well, such is life.
 
2020-09-18 12:16:15 PM  
We need to proliferate nukes to save the world!
A silo in every garage; a ballistic middle in every cooking pot. Or something.
I give us a decade at best before we manage to vaporize 95% of our population
 
2020-09-18 12:17:05 PM  
I wish I could put money into Northrop Grumman.
 
2020-09-18 12:17:10 PM  
China is a rapidly expanding colonial power and the US is a waning one.

China has a huge merchant Navy as well while the number of US flagged merchant ships is dismal.
 
2020-09-18 12:17:16 PM  
ruh roh, time to defund more social programs and make cost of living even higher and unsustainable, so we can crank out some more ships
 
2020-09-18 12:19:12 PM  
 One Billion Chinese Rowboats was the name of my Wang Chung cover band
 
2020-09-18 12:19:28 PM  

LordJiro: Jelly Bean Raider: China's Navy has no real experience in a shooting war. Their tactics are not based  on real world actions.
Might be bigger, but they have no real idea wtf they are doing.  

Not that it would be a easy fight...

The current American Navy has no experience in winning a war either.


Nobody has any experience in fighting a nuclear war.
And no - dropping a bomb from a propeller driven plane on a feudal dynasty 70 years ago doesn't count.
 
2020-09-18 12:19:32 PM  

metric: Stars and Stripes says I have four articles left. Presumably, before Trump shuts down the whole publication as liberal propaganda.


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2020-09-18 12:20:10 PM  
Which is why we don't need a clueless blustery tough guy in the White House talking shiat like the current one.
 
2020-09-18 12:20:19 PM  

LordJiro: Jelly Bean Raider: China's Navy has no real experience in a shooting war. Their tactics are not based  on real world actions.
Might be bigger, but they have no real idea wtf they are doing.  

Not that it would be a easy fight...

The current American Navy has no experience in winning a war either.


UUhhh... you do understand what an After Action report is, right?
The US Navy has been fighting a long time and the US Military, as a whole, takes the lessons learned and applies those lesson to future conflict.
 
2020-09-18 12:20:38 PM  

Moosedick Gladys Greengroin: metric: Stars and Stripes says I have four articles left. Presumably, before Trump shuts down the whole publication as liberal propaganda.

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You haven't been keeping up on current events lately, have you?
 
2020-09-18 12:20:59 PM  
If any nation is going to fire the first missile to kick of a nuclear war in the next 0-50 years, chances are it's going to be a collapsing US, desperately trying to claw back some power, or maybe just out of spite.
 
2020-09-18 12:21:58 PM  

adj_m: If any nation is going to fire the first missile to kick of a nuclear war in the next 0-50 years, chances are it's going to be a collapsing US, desperately trying to claw back some power, or maybe just out of spite.


Or Israel.
 
2020-09-18 12:22:12 PM  
The thing that concerns me is that the vast majority of Chinese were wiping their asses with their hands only 75 years ago.  They have some momentum.
 
2020-09-18 12:24:07 PM  
Define "bigger".
 
2020-09-18 12:25:11 PM  
We have sixty billion privately owned firearms and Meal Team Six. We'll be fine if they decide to invade.
 
2020-09-18 12:25:51 PM  
Yeah but how many cargo ships have they rammed in to due to lazy leadership?
 
2020-09-18 12:26:54 PM  

Jelly Bean Raider: LordJiro: Jelly Bean Raider: China's Navy has no real experience in a shooting war. Their tactics are not based  on real world actions.
Might be bigger, but they have no real idea wtf they are doing.  

Not that it would be a easy fight...

The current American Navy has no experience in winning a war either.

UUhhh... you do understand what an After Action report is, right?
The US Navy has been fighting a long time and the US Military, as a whole, takes the lessons learned and applies those lesson to future conflict.


And if there's anything we know about the United States military it's that we're great at lessons learned. Why, just look at all the COIN lessons learned from Vietnam that we applied early on in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
2020-09-18 12:27:35 PM  

oopsboom: its terrible that we've always been in a trade war with china.  if we were ever good solid trading partners with them - or even had a huge trade deficit where they were buying lots of assets here - then they'd be stupid to do anything against us that would wreck their own economy.  but im sure we'd never do anything as utterly moronically short sighted as mess that up, so it must have always been that way.

i mean if we had once been their most valued trade partner then we might have even used some sort of trans-pacific partnership as a negotiation table to influence their expansion across the asia/pacific region.  it sucks that such a thing never existed.  we could have used our political influence as a lever against china expanding into the south pacific and africa and gained significant economic ties to other nations and all kinds of things.  and then at the same time exerted economic and political influence to try to curb china's worse political and military impulses.  but we just never had the chance.  oh well, such is life.


Would you like to play ping pong?
 
2020-09-18 12:27:37 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Naido: Marcus Aurelius: What he's trying to say is that we should just give defense contractors all our money.  No need to be afraid, unless it helps part us from our filthy lucre, of course.

Exactly.  It may actually be true, but they always say this type of thing, and it usually turns out to be bullshiat, going all the way back to JFK's missile gap at least.

Actually, I just remembered Truman having to "scare the hell" out of the American people

The first President that wanted to get onto the global stage to be 'noticed as a power' was Teddy Roosevelt. He built a navy to sail around the world to show off. I don't remember if it was in response to the Kaiser in Germany threatening Venezuela or not.


In addition to showing that we were indeed a naval power, the Great White Fleet was a chance to show the countries of South America that the US could build solid warships, just as the treaty between Argentina and Chile that prevented naval expansion for 5 years was about to end.
 
2020-09-18 12:27:47 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: So after investing heavily in high performance anti-ship missiles that can sink our huge number of very expensive ships China's building huge numbers of very expensive ships that can be sunk by our high performance anti-ship missiles?

Makes sense


What, you thought those super-duper hypersonic Chines ship-killer missiles were real?
 
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