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2020-09-18 7:01:55 AM  
Affluenza ignoramus!
 
2020-09-18 7:09:53 AM  
 
2020-09-18 7:11:49 AM  
So cross-dressers can't commit crimes?
 
2020-09-18 7:12:56 AM  
That's a lot of overdose deaths.  Some day people will hopefully learn that drugs are stupid.
 
2020-09-18 7:13:27 AM  

sprgrss: That's a lot of overdose deaths.  Some day people will hopefully learn that drugs are stupid.


And this is irrelevant to this thread.  meant for the nu metal one.
 
2020-09-18 7:13:52 AM  
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2020-09-18 7:18:56 AM  
The real question is did Rowling get an editor who could slash and burn all the excess prose and subplots out of the manuscript?

The Man in Drag trope has been around forever. Just because Rowling has shot off her mouth more than once on her view doesn't prevent her from using the trope for the story.
 
2020-09-18 7:19:17 AM  
Google brings up quite a few crossdressing serial killers. I wonder if they have Google in the UK?
 
2020-09-18 7:19:30 AM  
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2020-09-18 7:21:37 AM  
I have no idea what to make because for everyone claiming this book is transphobic there are just as many people saying it isn't.  I know I have no intention of reading it because I find Rowing's writing in dire need of an editor but that's all to say I don't know who to believe about this book.
 
2020-09-18 7:23:53 AM  

Another Government Employee: The real question is did Rowling get an editor who could slash and burn all the excess prose and subplots out of the manuscript?

The Man in Drag trope has been around forever. Just because Rowling has shot off her mouth more than once on her view doesn't prevent her from using the trope for the story.


You can't run around saying the equivalent of "<Slurs> are bad and scary!", then write a book featuring such individuals as messed up killers, and expect there to be np.  Regardless of what the hell your intentions are.
 
2020-09-18 7:26:06 AM  

Another Government Employee: The real question is did Rowling get an editor who could slash and burn all the excess prose and subplots out of the manuscript?


Every time someone mentions J K Rowling, I want to ask why this is what people dislike her for, and not her writing.
 
2020-09-18 7:29:05 AM  

Stantz: https://www.theguardian.com/books/boo​k​sblog/2020/sep/15/rowling-troubled-blo​od-thriller-robert-galbraith-review


Thay review is a bit confounding, since it quotes an old transphobic trope basically word for word from what I assume is the book itself, then says we shouldn't call it out as transphobic.

Did i miss the part where he made even a weak attempt to defend his opinion instead of supporting the one he's arguing against?
 
2020-09-18 7:32:42 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Stantz: https://www.theguardian.com/books/book​sblog/2020/sep/15/rowling-troubled-blo​od-thriller-robert-galbraith-review

Thay review is a bit confounding, since it quotes an old transphobic trope basically word for word from what I assume is the book itself, then says we shouldn't call it out as transphobic.

Did i miss the part where he made even a weak attempt to defend his opinion instead of supporting the one he's arguing against?


Which trope are you referring to?
 
2020-09-18 7:34:33 AM  

sprgrss: I have no idea what to make because for everyone claiming this book is transphobic there are just as many people saying it isn't.  I know I have no intention of reading it because I find Rowing's writing in dire need of an editor but that's all to say I don't know who to believe about this book.


I mean, Rowling is vehemently transphobic, so if someone who wants to keep "men" from "invading" "women's spaces" writes a book about a man acting as a woman to kill, well, maybe just a little of the author's perspective has slipped into the work.

Yes, Rowling is a shiatty author, but she used to be a smart business-person: churn out almost a book a year with a slightly more mature writing style and have the books grow with the kids, thus getting an entire generation hooked on it? Genius. And if she just shut the fark up after, the world would be a better place.

(Diane Duane's Young Wizards series is 1,000,000 times better than Harry Potter)
 
2020-09-18 7:36:08 AM  
I'm a double cross dressing gay lesbian cis ally and I am angry at the brutality of a Harry Potter post-fan fiction nonfiction short form long micro novel, please just tell me what bathroom to use.
 
2020-09-18 7:36:18 AM  

t3knomanser: writes a book about a man acting as a woman to kill, well, maybe just a little of the author's perspective has slipped into the work.


That's the thing.  Is this actually true?  Because there are a lot of reviews that claim that is not in fact the case
 
2020-09-18 7:37:37 AM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Another Government Employee: The real question is did Rowling get an editor who could slash and burn all the excess prose and subplots out of the manuscript?

The Man in Drag trope has been around forever. Just because Rowling has shot off her mouth more than once on her view doesn't prevent her from using the trope for the story.

You can't run around saying the equivalent of "<Slurs> are bad and scary!", then write a book featuring such individuals as messed up killers, and expect there to be np.  Regardless of what the hell your intentions are.


It a Fark Star Trek thread a week ago, someone asked why all the LBGT characters in NuTrek are presented as so normal and likable,and not wierd, or sex-fiends or annoying.

I explained that TV and movies have been portraying LBGT characters as weird, annoying sex fiends forever, and that's not "inclusion."
 
2020-09-18 7:39:25 AM  
The Eternal Jew?
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2020-09-18 7:44:33 AM  

Old Man Winter: Google brings up quite a few crossdressing serial killers. I wonder if they have Google in the UK?


The Eternal Jew, Google, what's the difference, right?
 
2020-09-18 7:46:38 AM  

sprgrss: t3knomanser: writes a book about a man acting as a woman to kill, well, maybe just a little of the author's perspective has slipped into the work.

That's the thing.  Is this actually true?  Because there are a lot of reviews that claim that is not in fact the case


You folks are going to keep going until you spoil the damn book that I will never, ever read
 
2020-09-18 7:49:30 AM  

brainlordmesomorph: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Another Government Employee: The real question is did Rowling get an editor who could slash and burn all the excess prose and subplots out of the manuscript?

The Man in Drag trope has been around forever. Just because Rowling has shot off her mouth more than once on her view doesn't prevent her from using the trope for the story.

You can't run around saying the equivalent of "<Slurs> are bad and scary!", then write a book featuring such individuals as messed up killers, and expect there to be np.  Regardless of what the hell your intentions are.

It a Fark Star Trek thread a week ago, someone asked why all the LBGT characters in NuTrek are presented as so normal and likable,and not wierd, or sex-fiends or annoying.

I explained that TV and movies have been portraying LBGT characters as weird, annoying sex fiends forever, and that's not "inclusion."


"Why are all these African Americans so upset?  We've got plenty in entertainment, why there's gang members, magical negros, and even sassy sidekicks!  We even let a few do real movies sometimes - what's all the fuss?!"
 
2020-09-18 7:51:09 AM  

ReaverZ: So cross-dressers can't commit crimes?


Well have to cancel "Silence of the Lambs" then.
 
2020-09-18 7:54:23 AM  

dittybopper: ReaverZ: So cross-dressers can't commit crimes?

Well have to cancel "Silence of the Lambs" then.


And Psycho
 
2020-09-18 8:04:45 AM  
When it gets made in to a movie, will people demand a real trans actor?

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2020-09-18 8:07:18 AM  

sprgrss: t3knomanser: writes a book about a man acting as a woman to kill, well, maybe just a little of the author's perspective has slipped into the work.

That's the thing.  Is this actually true?  Because there are a lot of reviews that claim that is not in fact the case


It does show her interest in the subject. The brief synopsis of the book in TFA indicates her MC is a "wolf in sheep's clothing" (another ancient trope). I'd have to think her personal biases are going to be in the manuscript. Now, does this make the book inappropriate for release? No, and the book is getting far more exposure because of hashtags and therefore will sell better than it would otherwise.
 
2020-09-18 8:10:30 AM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Another Government Employee: The real question is did Rowling get an editor who could slash and burn all the excess prose and subplots out of the manuscript?

The Man in Drag trope has been around forever. Just because Rowling has shot off her mouth more than once on her view doesn't prevent her from using the trope for the story.

You can't run around saying the equivalent of "<Slurs> are bad and scary!", then write a book featuring such individuals as messed up killers, and expect there to be np.  Regardless of what the hell your intentions are.


But the character isn't a trans woman.
It's a man.
 
2020-09-18 8:12:54 AM  

truthandjustice: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Another Government Employee: The real question is did Rowling get an editor who could slash and burn all the excess prose and subplots out of the manuscript?

The Man in Drag trope has been around forever. Just because Rowling has shot off her mouth more than once on her view doesn't prevent her from using the trope for the story.

You can't run around saying the equivalent of "<Slurs> are bad and scary!", then write a book featuring such individuals as messed up killers, and expect there to be np.  Regardless of what the hell your intentions are.

But the character isn't a trans woman.
It's a man.


Ohhhhhhh!  Well that makes it alright then, obviously.  Silly old me!

/that's what you're going with?
 
2020-09-18 8:14:29 AM  

truthandjustice: But the character isn't a trans woman.
It's a man.


And Rowling claims that all trans-women are men.

sprgrss: That's the thing. Is this actually true?


Is it actually true that an author's personal biases have slipped into their work? I have a hard time imagining how it could be false- creative works are expressions of their creators.
 
2020-09-18 8:20:32 AM  

t3knomanser: sprgrss: I have no idea what to make because for everyone claiming this book is transphobic there are just as many people saying it isn't.  I know I have no intention of reading it because I find Rowing's writing in dire need of an editor but that's all to say I don't know who to believe about this book.

I mean, Rowling is vehemently transphobic, so if someone who wants to keep "men" from "invading" "women's spaces" writes a book about a man acting as a woman to kill, well, maybe just a little of the author's perspective has slipped into the work.

Yes, Rowling is a shiatty author, but she used to be a smart business-person: churn out almost a book a year with a slightly more mature writing style and have the books grow with the kids, thus getting an entire generation hooked on it? Genius. And if she just shut the fark up after, the world would be a better place.

(Diane Duane's Young Wizards series is 1,000,000 times better than Harry Potter)


See, I haven't read any of her books, and have only suffered through short snips of the movies while other people watched, so I don't have a strong opinion about her as an author or otherwise.

And I've read the flap about her saying things on twitter that people get upset about.

I still don't get how she can be described as 'transphobic' for having an opinion about what gender identity means.

I disagree with Republicans about what 'conservative' means. Doesn't make me 'republicanphobic'. Just means I don't agree with their definition of a concept.
 
2020-09-18 8:20:43 AM  
Just because it's a common trope doesn't make it any less transphobic. Dumb argument. "Hey, we've been beating on gays for years. It's a tradition at this point! Doesn't mean we're homophobic."
 
2020-09-18 8:22:39 AM  

t3knomanser: writes a book about a man acting as a woman to kill


He doesn't act as a woman, he dresses like one. Transvestites in many cases aren't transgender. Ask Eddie Izzard.
 
2020-09-18 8:23:55 AM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: truthandjustice: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Another Government Employee: The real question is did Rowling get an editor who could slash and burn all the excess prose and subplots out of the manuscript?

The Man in Drag trope has been around forever. Just because Rowling has shot off her mouth more than once on her view doesn't prevent her from using the trope for the story.

You can't run around saying the equivalent of "<Slurs> are bad and scary!", then write a book featuring such individuals as messed up killers, and expect there to be np.  Regardless of what the hell your intentions are.

But the character isn't a trans woman.
It's a man.

Ohhhhhhh!  Well that makes it alright then, obviously.  Silly old me!

/that's what you're going with?


Yeah the literal truth is always what I go for.
Maybe this will help you understand:
Ever see the Crying Game? That was a trans woman.
Ever see Austin Powers? The part where he punches the assassin?
That's a man.
Man.
 
2020-09-18 8:26:37 AM  

kasmel: I still don't get how she can be described as 'transphobic' for having an opinion about what gender identity means.


Because her opinion about gender identity excludes trans-people and invalidates their existence. Your analogy about Republicans isn't a statement about their identity or experience (despite the fact that Republican politics are nothing but identity politics- they stand for nothing beyond identifying as Republican). You're not denying their basic humanity, or their right to express it.

(Mind you, I have some doubts about the basic humanity of Republicans, but that's a different discussion)

Saying, "there are no trans-people," dehumanizes the actually real trans-people, and trans-people, unlike Republicans, have feelings.
 
2020-09-18 8:27:54 AM  

t3knomanser: truthandjustice: But the character isn't a trans woman.
It's a man.

And Rowling claims that all trans-women are men.


This is a lie.

Here is a quote from her:
"I happen to know a self-described transsexual woman who's older than I am and wonderful. Although she's open about her past as a gay man, I've always found it hard to think of her as anything other than a woman, and I believe (and certainly hope) she's completely happy to have transitioned."
 
2020-09-18 8:28:06 AM  

Stantz: Ask Eddie Izzard.


Bad example: Eddie Izzard does consider themselves trans, and has said as much recently.

But also, you're niggling over wording that isn't important. Swap "acting" with "disguises", the point remains.
 
2020-09-18 8:28:58 AM  

Stantz: t3knomanser: writes a book about a man acting as a woman to kill

He doesn't act as a woman, he dresses like one. Transvestites in many cases aren't transgender. Ask Eddie Izzard.


It's my understanding that he doesn't even put on a dress.  I read it as slipping on a wig and feminine coat when approaching one of his victims.

But look, it doesn't matter what's actually in the book.  Almost no one will know, virtually everyone will rage.

There will be a prolonged, ignorant internet piss fight that benefits no one, but many backs will be slapped on Twitter
 
2020-09-18 8:29:27 AM  

truthandjustice: This is a lie.


And she's said, in other cases, that trans-women are invading female spaces and are intruders. (No, I'm not going to hunt through her twitter feed to find them, fark her) A "this is one of the good ones," exception doesn't counteract the other statements she's made.
 
2020-09-18 8:29:59 AM  

Naido: Almost no one will know, virtually everyone will rage.


Well, let's be fair: rage is going to be more interesting and fulfilling than anything Rowling puts in a book.
 
2020-09-18 8:30:21 AM  

t3knomanser: kasmel: I still don't get how she can be described as 'transphobic' for having an opinion about what gender identity means.

Because her opinion about gender identity excludes trans-people and invalidates their existence. Your analogy about Republicans isn't a statement about their identity or experience (despite the fact that Republican politics are nothing but identity politics- they stand for nothing beyond identifying as Republican). You're not denying their basic humanity, or their right to express it.

(Mind you, I have some doubts about the basic humanity of Republicans, but that's a different discussion)

Saying, "there are no trans-people," dehumanizes the actually real trans-people, and trans-people, unlike Republicans, have feelings.


And yet you don't explain why any of that is "phobic".
 
2020-09-18 8:33:01 AM  
Another Government Employee:

When it helps renforse her bigoted beliefs it does.
 
2020-09-18 8:35:39 AM  
dittybopper:

Lector states bill thinks he is trans but isnt., That he's delusional
 
2020-09-18 8:38:02 AM  

t3knomanser: sprgrss: I have no idea what to make because for everyone claiming this book is transphobic there are just as many people saying it isn't.  I know I have no intention of reading it because I find Rowing's writing in dire need of an editor but that's all to say I don't know who to believe about this book.

I mean, Rowling is vehemently transphobic, so if someone who wants to keep "men" from "invading" "women's spaces" writes a book about a man acting as a woman to kill, well, maybe just a little of the author's perspective has slipped into the work.

Yes, Rowling is a shiatty author, but she used to be a smart business-person: churn out almost a book a year with a slightly more mature writing style and have the books grow with the kids, thus getting an entire generation hooked on it? Genius. And if she just shut the fark up after, the world would be a better place.

(Diane Duane's Young Wizards series is 1,000,000 times better than Harry Potter)


I'd like to second that endorsement of the Young Wizards series.

Very interesting take on magic, well written, and the author went back and revised the books to accommodate how technology has progressed since the earliest books came out.
 
2020-09-18 8:43:40 AM  

truthandjustice: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Another Government Employee: The real question is did Rowling get an editor who could slash and burn all the excess prose and subplots out of the manuscript?

The Man in Drag trope has been around forever. Just because Rowling has shot off her mouth more than once on her view doesn't prevent her from using the trope for the story.

You can't run around saying the equivalent of "<Slurs> are bad and scary!", then write a book featuring such individuals as messed up killers, and expect there to be np.  Regardless of what the hell your intentions are.

But the character isn't a trans woman.
It's a man.


And Rowling has spent the last few years making it VERY clear she firmly believes those two are exactly the same.
 
2020-09-18 8:43:55 AM  
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/fark em both
 
2020-09-18 8:45:42 AM  
I don't know anything about this book, but I saw JK Rowling's name, and I am MAD, dammit!

Wow, it sounds kinda dumb when you say it like that, I guess.
 
2020-09-18 8:49:02 AM  
Real crimes include trans women and men being murdered due to the kind of bigotry Rowling endorses.  Perhaps she could write a book about that.
 
2020-09-18 8:49:15 AM  
JK Rowling needs to STFU and EABOD. She's a TERF. Look that up if you don't know what it means. Her stance is basically that transwomen aren't really women because they've never gone through some of the same cultural/social moments that cisgender women go through, like shopping for bras as a teenager with their mother or getting their period in Math class. They're "women," but not women. I guess to JK Rowling I'm not really a woman either because I didn't go shopping for training bras with my mom, and I didn't get my period for the first time in school, in front of the whole class.

Not to mention, Robert Galbraith, the pen name she uses to write other works of fiction, is the same name as the man who essentially created "conversion therapy," something widely recognized as torture, at least in rationally-thinking parts of the world.

She's a farking nutcase.
 
2020-09-18 8:53:59 AM  

t3knomanser: sprgrss: I have no idea what to make because for everyone claiming this book is transphobic there are just as many people saying it isn't.  I know I have no intention of reading it because I find Rowing's writing in dire need of an editor but that's all to say I don't know who to believe about this book.

I mean, Rowling is vehemently transphobic, so if someone who wants to keep "men" from "invading" "women's spaces" writes a book about a man acting as a woman to kill, well, maybe just a little of the author's perspective has slipped into the work.

Yes, Rowling is a shiatty author, but she used to be a smart business-person: churn out almost a book a year with a slightly more mature writing style and have the books grow with the kids, thus getting an entire generation hooked on it? Genius. And if she just shut the fark up after, the world would be a better place.

(Diane Duane's Young Wizards series is 1,000,000 times better than Harry Potter)


I liked reading Septimus Heap since it actually had him doing magic stuff and interacting with magic things all the time. Even if the books read like the author was spinning her wheels until she got Septimus old enough to want to fark girls.
 
2020-09-18 8:55:25 AM  
Send her to Tolerance Camp. At Tolerance Camp, her intolerance ... will not be tolerated.


/Not sharing the link to the South Park episode
//It has Mr Slave and Lemmiwinks on an adventure
///I have no idea if it has aged well
 
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