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2020-09-18 3:39:43 AM  
They should be called "Jesus 'Crossfit' Christ Blvd" and "Jared 'Dropcock' Kushner Ave"
 
2020-09-18 3:53:02 AM  
Way to read the room, guys.
 
2020-09-18 3:53:25 AM  
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Seriously had Robert E. Lee even been to Arizona?
 
2020-09-18 3:58:08 AM  

berylman: [Fark user image 272x185]Seriously had Robert E. Lee even been to Arizona?


It's like Steve King with a farking Confederate flag on his desk.
 
2020-09-18 4:01:40 AM  

berylman: Seriously had Robert E. Lee even been to Arizona?


It's so cute that people think racist only live in the old Confederacy.

Minnesota firefighter suspended for flying Confederate flag in parade

That's just one quick Google. Pick [any state] + "confederate flag." I dare you.
 
2020-09-18 4:01:41 AM  
They're renaming Squaw Peak Drive AND Robert E. Lee St.

Come on...who approved this?
 
Xai [TotalFark]
2020-09-18 4:07:56 AM  
I always think they should be named something that starts with similar sounds, that way people will easily transition - like Squaw Peak Drive could be "Square peg drive" and Robert E. Lee Street could be "Roberta Lee" after the singer from Ohio.

Just a thought.
 
2020-09-18 4:18:25 AM  
Someone needs to be kicked squaw in the nuts over this.
 
2020-09-18 4:26:54 AM  

goatharper: berylman: Seriously had Robert E. Lee even been to Arizona?

It's so cute that people think racist only live in the old Confederacy.

Minnesota firefighter suspended for flying Confederate flag in parade

That's just one quick Google. Pick [any state] + "confederate flag." I dare you.


This pisses me off. All of it does, but specifically, in this instance - why do they fly confederate flags out west?

Answer: America is full of racist dispshiats.I live in Michigan, and these assholes live here too (well, maybe not these particular assholes). In the North. We should have put these critters down about 140 years ago or so, but a certain president (the only one in U.S. history buried without honors) sided with assholes.
 
2020-09-18 4:29:28 AM  
well it's one way to fight back i guess if they push for you to change stuff for political correct reason you just make it worse until they stop. but if your smart you go rogue and don't use something that can be painted as you being racist. just need to get names that are worst that got nothing to do with america. "Mussolini Commemorative Drv" or "Pol Pot Place". got throw them some curve balls. if you want to go less evil name you could always get a 2 street that intersect call one whinny and the other "South jersey Ward" and just put sjw on it.
 
2020-09-18 4:31:05 AM  

Xai: I always think they should be named something that starts with similar sounds, that way people will easily transition - like Squaw Peak Drive could be "Square peg drive" and Robert E. Lee Street could be "Roberta Lee" after the singer from Ohio.

Just a thought.


This is actually a brilliant idea!
 
2020-09-18 4:42:43 AM  

Abacus9: goatharper: berylman: Seriously had Robert E. Lee even been to Arizona?

It's so cute that people think racist only live in the old Confederacy.

Minnesota firefighter suspended for flying Confederate flag in parade

That's just one quick Google. Pick [any state] + "confederate flag." I dare you.

This pisses me off. All of it does, but specifically, in this instance - why do they fly confederate flags out west?

Answer: America is full of racist dispshiats.I live in Michigan, and these assholes live here too (well, maybe not these particular assholes). In the North. We should have put these critters down about 140 years ago or so, but a certain president (the only one in U.S. history buried without honors) sided with assholes.


Yep, it is JUST about racism. As a wise Farker pointed out the other day in a Confederacy thread the Confederacy lasted five years. It's nothing like, say, Ireland which dragged out generation after generation for centuries. Nirvana were around for longer than the Confederacy. There's no history to hang onto today other than the racist legacy, and you're right that it's exactly what these dipshiats are actually celebrating.
 
2020-09-18 4:46:16 AM  

KWess: They're renaming Squaw Peak Drive AND Robert E. Lee St.

Come on...who approved this?


It's not news...
 
2020-09-18 4:51:57 AM  
"Some argue the name changes are a waste of time and taxpayer dollars."

I wonder what they'd think about Trump Is A Whiny biatch Blvd.
 
2020-09-18 4:52:50 AM  
I wonder how many monuments were erected Civil War traitors and how much public infrastructure named after Confederate losers in the 1950s, 60s, and 70s verses the stuff that was put up or named to honor WW2 heroes and veterans in the same era?  I particularly wonder what the comparison was in the south?

I bet it is not even close.  If it is about history than how come it only ever seems to be about the history of men who fought to keep other men enslaved and never about those who bleed, sweet and died to try to save the world from fascism?

It's because our leaders all secretly wish they were fascist isn't it?
 
2020-09-18 4:54:37 AM  

recombobulator: "Some argue the name changes are a waste of time and taxpayer dollars."

I wonder what they'd think about Trump Is A Whiny biatch Blvd.


Same people who are arguing it is a waste of tax payer money to rename things will be trying like hell to rename things for Trump in a couple of years.
 
2020-09-18 5:03:16 AM  

Abacus9: goatharper: berylman: Seriously had Robert E. Lee even been to Arizona?

It's so cute that people think racist only live in the old Confederacy.

Minnesota firefighter suspended for flying Confederate flag in parade

That's just one quick Google. Pick [any state] + "confederate flag." I dare you.

This pisses me off. All of it does, but specifically, in this instance - why do they fly confederate flags out west?

Answer: America is full of racist dispshiats.I live in Michigan, and these assholes live here too (well, maybe not these particular assholes). In the North. We should have put these critters down about 140 years ago or so, but a certain president (the only one in U.S. history buried without honors) sided with assholes.


Sorry,

Aussie_As: Abacus9: goatharper: berylman: Seriously had Robert E. Lee even been to Arizona?

It's so cute that people think racist only live in the old Confederacy.

Minnesota firefighter suspended for flying Confederate flag in parade

That's just one quick Google. Pick [any state] + "confederate flag." I dare you.

This pisses me off. All of it does, but specifically, in this instance - why do they fly confederate flags out west?

Answer: America is full of racist dispshiats.I live in Michigan, and these assholes live here too (well, maybe not these particular assholes). In the North. We should have put these critters down about 140 years ago or so, but a certain president (the only one in U.S. history buried without honors) sided with assholes.

Yep, it is JUST about racism. As a wise Farker pointed out the other day in a Confederacy thread the Confederacy lasted five years. It's nothing like, say, Ireland which dragged out generation after generation for centuries. Nirvana were around for longer than the Confederacy. There's no history to hang onto today other than the racist legacy, and you're right that it's exactly what these dipshiats are actually celebrating.


If you have a point to make about Ireland, please say it. I honestly don't know much about it, yet many of my progenitors seem to be from there.Yet I still don't give a fark. So what's your point already?
 
2020-09-18 5:08:15 AM  

Abacus9: If you have a point to make about Ireland, please say it. I honestly don't know much about it, yet many of my progenitors seem to be from there.Yet I still don't give a fark. So what's your point already?


Simply that it's got a long history of sectarian battles between the invading Protestant English and the colonised-against-their-will Catholic Irish. Wasn't being denigrating, just using it as an example where you can understand why some families still find themselves holding onto sectarian grudges. Unlike the Confederacy where the predominant loser was racism itself.
 
2020-09-18 5:10:09 AM  

recombobulator: "Some argue the name changes are a waste of time and taxpayer dollars."

I wonder what they'd think about Trump Is A Whiny biatch Blvd.


The Cleveland Indians finally got rid of their racist mascot "Chief Wahoo" (name aside, the cartoonish caricature was racist as fark), a couple of years ago. Any other year than this one, I'd prefer progress, but slowly. Now I want to be smacked almost dead by it (no face though, please).
 
2020-09-18 5:13:00 AM  

fragMasterFlash: Someone needs to be kicked squaw in the nuts over this.


First clip :D

Eric Cartman - Kick You in the Nuts
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2020-09-18 5:19:09 AM  

Aussie_As: Abacus9: If you have a point to make about Ireland, please say it. I honestly don't know much about it, yet many of my progenitors seem to be from there.Yet I still don't give a fark. So what's your point already?

Simply that it's got a long history of sectarian battles between the invading Protestant English and the colonised-against-their-will Catholic Irish. Wasn't being denigrating, just using it as an example where you can understand why some families still find themselves holding onto sectarian grudges. Unlike the Confederacy where the predominant loser was racism itself.


I actually have an Uncle that gets viscerally pissed about Oliver Cromwell. He's probably dying now. I can't know more about his situation because my family is best described by a word that Fark would ban me for. He's my mother's sister, and she's probematc. Christ, just typing this I realized I could have avoided some wars had I used the backspace key correctly.
 
2020-09-18 5:25:22 AM  
Reporters write stories and editors write headlines to fit the space available. They tend to do this later in the day, and some accepted shortcuts often derail the story that follows.

My pet peeve is when a headline quotes or paraphrases something said, then attributes it to the speaker at the end. 

Example:

"Kushner 'a wax-covered android with no sexual organs': Doctor"

Depending on line breaks, font, case, and typesetting, this can be easily misconstrued as:

1. Jared is a doctor for wax-covered androids with no sexual organs.
2. Kushner exclaimed "a wax-covered android with no sexual organs" at a doctor.
3. Jared knows a wax-covered android who has more than one pipe organ, but none of them are sexual, and the android has an MD or Ph.D.
4. Jared is indeed a wax-covered android and everyone knows it (not just one doctor claims it).
5. Jared confided in a doctor that a crime/act of kindess/something was perpetrated by a wax-covered android with no sexual organs.
 
2020-09-18 5:27:07 AM  

goatharper: That's just one quick Google. Pick [any state] + "confederate flag." I dare you.


*Offer also valid for
Pick Canada + "confederate flag."


Readers have been getting in touch to say where else they have seen it displayed.

But the most common reason the Confederate flag flies across Europe, Pitcavage said, is ignorance.
 
2020-09-18 5:30:12 AM  

PyroStock: goatharper: That's just one quick Google. Pick [any state] + "confederate flag." I dare you.

*Offer also valid for
Pick Canada + "confederate flag."


Readers have been getting in touch to say where else they have seen it displayed.

But the most common reason the Confederate flag flies across Europe, Pitcavage said, is ignorance.


The most common reason outside the US is Dukes of Hazzard fans. Definitely true where I live.
 
2020-09-18 5:43:14 AM  

berylman: [Fark user image image 272x185]Seriously had Robert E. Lee even been to Arizona?


Obviously, no. But the territory was governed by a Confederate from 1861-62. The furthest west cival war battle happened as such:

The Battle of Picacho Pass, also known as the Battle of Picacho Peak, was an engagement of the American Civil War on April 15, 1862. The action occurred around Picacho Peak, 50 miles northwest of Tucson, Arizona.

I drive past that area every time I head to Phoenix. Picacho Peak is a decent sight. It was far more fun when the Ostrich Farm was still there.

Notice that nothing is ever named after that governor, and Phoenix is 150mi north (days in 19th century travel) of the only battle. But PHX does have a "proud" tradition of kidnapping native American kids.

Still waiting for them to rename Indian School Road. It's a pretty major roadway.
 
2020-09-18 6:08:46 AM  

Aussie_As: you can understand why some families still find themselves holding onto sectarian grudges. Unlike the Confederacy where the predominant loser was racism itself.


I believe I understand what you are saying, but that's generalized to the point of being.... almost wrong lol.

The Civil War - like e v e r y conflict - was about power/control, and money.  Moral/ethical stance aside, the racism part was how the South made stupid money by exploiting their work force; Cotton was King. Losing the war changed the balance of power in DC, and changed the balance of wealth. And the anger over that ran long and deep.

The first time I went down into the Deep South as a little guy (no interstate system yet), I saw first hand abject poverty. Up North I went to school with farm kids who did their chores in the winter time shoeless because they had just one pair of hand me downs to wear to school, and while their was abject poverty in Appalachia, once we got Into Georgia and then drove across the Gulf States...  mile after mile, share cropper shacks, no power lines, windows with no glass, (some with plastic sheeting), Some with no doors, raw sewage in the back yard: from previous locations after moving the outhouse.

New York State is huge: I currently live near the southern border in Virginia and live much closer to NYC than the place I grew up in NY State, yet on that trip: roughly 100 years after the War, grown adults once they found out I was from NY would turn and walk away rather than talk to a Yankee.

The ironic part of the Confederate flag thing is their nostalgia - besides being racist - is pretty freaking stupid as the wealthy plantation owners hated the poor white trash; much more than the real/falsely perceived dislike elite asshats have now. As the saying goes: "Back then, They wouldn't have pissed on them if they were on fire."
 
2020-09-18 7:01:28 AM  

Tired_of_the_BS: I believe I understand what you are saying, but that's generalized to the point of being.... almost wrong lol.

The Civil War - like e v e r y conflict - was about power/control, and money.  Moral/ethical stance aside, the racism part was how the South made stupid money by exploiting their work force; Cotton was King. Losing the war changed the balance of power in DC, and changed the balance of wealth. And the anger over that ran long and deep.

The first time I went down into the Deep South as a little guy (no interstate system yet), I saw first hand abject poverty. Up North I went to school with farm kids who did their chores in the winter time shoeless because they had just one pair of hand me downs to wear to school, and while their was abject poverty in Appalachia, once we got Into Georgia and then drove across the Gulf States...  mile after mile, share cropper shacks, no power lines, windows with no glass, (some with plastic sheeting), Some with no doors, raw sewage in the back yard: from previous locations after moving the outhouse.


I get what you're saying too, but things have changed significantly through the south since the 1960's which is when I'm understanding your story is from. They've got manufacturing industries now such as automotive plants, which would have been a pipe dream in the 1960's. The balance is coming back, as it invariably does in a democracy. And these folks have a lot more political support than they did in the 1960's too, the Republicans of today suck up hard to the south.

Even from your story, poverty happens everywhere. In the south it's been the product of shiatty education as much as anything. They have made victims of themselves and running around with a Confederate flag today is just continuing that process. They don't seriously stand for what that flag stands for (namely breaking up the union and being treasonous to the United States), they're just happy to blame someone else for taking away their slaves and thus much of their cotton industry because they don't see what's wrong with a bit of slavery.
 
2020-09-18 7:02:54 AM  
There, that's no so racist now, is it?

They said, missing the point.
 
2020-09-18 7:20:56 AM  
I think Arizona was one of those states that refused to recognize MLK day when it was first enacted, IIRC.
 
2020-09-18 7:27:13 AM  
I learned something today.

I didn't know that squaw was considered a slur.  I don't think I've seen or heard that word for 25+ yrs, but nonetheless.

But seriously?  Robert E Lee drive in Arizona???  FFS.  I'm going to go google search whether Hawaii has a street named that.
 
2020-09-18 7:32:21 AM  

YabbaDabbaDouchebag: Reporters write stories and editors write headlines to fit the space available. They tend to do this later in the day, and some accepted shortcuts often derail the story that follows.

My pet peeve is when a headline quotes or paraphrases something said, then attributes it to the speaker at the end. 

Example:

"Kushner 'a wax-covered android with no sexual organs': Doctor"

Depending on line breaks, font, case, and typesetting, this can be easily misconstrued as:

1. Jared is a doctor for wax-covered androids with no sexual organs.
2. Kushner exclaimed "a wax-covered android with no sexual organs" at a doctor.
3. Jared knows a wax-covered android who has more than one pipe organ, but none of them are sexual, and the android has an MD or Ph.D.
4. Jared is indeed a wax-covered android and everyone knows it (not just one doctor claims it).
5. Jared confided in a doctor that a crime/act of kindess/something was perpetrated by a wax-covered android with no sexual organs.


6.  Doctor Who finds a wax smartphone, not made by apple, that is covered, but finds no sex organs under the cover, then tells her new assistant, Kushner, in a signed handwritten note.
 
2020-09-18 8:53:56 AM  
The new names will be something much more in keeping with the inclusive spirit of the city. Something like "Drunk Injun St." and "We Hate Ni**ers Blvd."
 
2020-09-18 9:16:04 AM  

Aussie_As: Abacus9: If you have a point to make about Ireland, please say it. I honestly don't know much about it, yet many of my progenitors seem to be from there.Yet I still don't give a fark. So what's your point already?

Simply that it's got a long history of sectarian battles between the invading Protestant English and the colonised-against-their-will Catholic Irish. Wasn't being denigrating, just using it as an example where you can understand why some families still find themselves holding onto sectarian grudges. Unlike the Confederacy where the predominant loser was racism itself.


You mean the losers where the Democrats who led the Confederacy and caused a civil war.  Lets put the blame squarely where it belongs.  You can wiki that Old Jeff Davis leader of the Confederacy was a Democrat like most of the Confederacy and the KKK......and now you all are snuggling up to the same people who also tried to prevent the Civil Rights movement.  So its true...you people are stupid....cant even remember the folks you think will save you...are the folks who enslaved ya.  Truly brilliant.
 
2020-09-18 9:18:31 AM  

zippyZRX: Aussie_As: Abacus9: If you have a point to make about Ireland, please say it. I honestly don't know much about it, yet many of my progenitors seem to be from there.Yet I still don't give a fark. So what's your point already?

Simply that it's got a long history of sectarian battles between the invading Protestant English and the colonised-against-their-will Catholic Irish. Wasn't being denigrating, just using it as an example where you can understand why some families still find themselves holding onto sectarian grudges. Unlike the Confederacy where the predominant loser was racism itself.

You mean the losers where the Democrats who led the Confederacy and caused a civil war.  Lets put the blame squarely where it belongs.  You can wiki that Old Jeff Davis leader of the Confederacy was a Democrat like most of the Confederacy and the KKK......and now you all are snuggling up to the same people who also tried to prevent the Civil Rights movement.  So its true...you people are stupid....cant even remember the folks you think will save you...are the folks who enslaved ya.  Truly brilliant.


Well there it is, the dumbest thing I'm going to read today.
 
2020-09-18 10:23:45 AM  
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2020-09-18 12:01:19 PM  
I'd hate to be on a road/street that got renamed, think about all the things you'd have to change. Your address is now different so you will have to put in a change of address everywhere you do business, all your utility companies, you will have to get your driver's license renewed with your new address, your mortgage is going to have to be updated/changed. There are probably a ton of ways this would be a pain in the arse that I'm not thinking of as well. Things like Google street maps and other map sites will have to change their information or you wouldn't be able to find a correct destination.
 
2020-09-18 12:07:11 PM  
Slut way
Asshole drive
 
2020-09-18 12:11:04 PM  

stuffy: Slut way
Asshole drive


The word squaw immediately conjures up 'slut' in your mind?

Um, could you kindly rephrase that?
 
2020-09-18 1:03:44 PM  

OK So Amuse Me: I'd hate to be on a road/street that got renamed, think about all the things you'd have to change. Your address is now different so you will have to put in a change of address everywhere you do business, all your utility companies, you will have to get your driver's license renewed with your new address, your mortgage is going to have to be updated/changed. There are probably a ton of ways this would be a pain in the arse that I'm not thinking of as well. Things like Google street maps and other map sites will have to change their information or you wouldn't be able to find a correct destination.


Just to clarify, I'm not against them changing the names for the reason they stated, I was just thinking about all the things that it would impact for the people on those streets.
 
2020-09-18 1:22:56 PM  

uttertosh: YabbaDabbaDouchebag: Reporters write stories and editors write headlines to fit the space available. They tend to do this later in the day, and some accepted shortcuts often derail the story that follows.

My pet peeve is when a headline quotes or paraphrases something said, then attributes it to the speaker at the end. 

Example:

"Kushner 'a wax-covered android with no sexual organs': Doctor"

Depending on line breaks, font, case, and typesetting, this can be easily misconstrued as:

1. Jared is a doctor for wax-covered androids with no sexual organs.
2. Kushner exclaimed "a wax-covered android with no sexual organs" at a doctor.
3. Jared knows a wax-covered android who has more than one pipe organ, but none of them are sexual, and the android has an MD or Ph.D.
4. Jared is indeed a wax-covered android and everyone knows it (not just one doctor claims it).
5. Jared confided in a doctor that a crime/act of kindess/something was perpetrated by a wax-covered android with no sexual organs.

6.  Doctor Who finds a wax smartphone, not made by apple, that is covered, but finds no sex organs under the cover, then tells her new assistant, Kushner, in a signed handwritten note.


Touche, huzzah, and good on ya.
 
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