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2020-09-18 12:48:53 AM  
This is peak New Jersey.
 
2020-09-18 12:50:27 AM  

ViolentEastCoastCity: This is peak New Jersey.


Peak America.
 
2020-09-18 12:51:21 AM  
Glen Kristi Goldenthal's home was put up for sale by Ocean Township officials on September 9 after the tiny debt she owed on her taxes snowballed to more than $300 with interest and administrative fees piling up.

So she owed more than $300?  Did she have anyone not alzheimery to look after her bills?  Because it doesn't sound like it.  And I am pretty sure they do not check on your mental health before following policy.  That would be a violation of HIPAA.
 
2020-09-18 12:53:40 AM  

trappedspirit: Glen Kristi Goldenthal's home was put up for sale by Ocean Township officials on September 9 after the tiny debt she owed on her taxes snowballed to more than $300 with interest and administrative fees piling up.

So she owed more than $300?  Did she have anyone not alzheimery to look after her bills?  Because it doesn't sound like it.  And I am pretty sure they do not check on your mental health before following policy.  That would be a violation of HIPAA.


Hahaha whenever I think someone can't defend the indefensible, f*cking wrong every time.
 
2020-09-18 12:56:55 AM  
*reads tfa*

Oh god dammitt.  This is in my backyard.  You're not from Ocean Township if you don't know at least 3 Sicilianos, and now one is the mayor.

Also: as high as $100 before a tax sale can be triggered.

Oh eat like twelve dicks.  You should owe A LOT MORE THAN A HUNDRED DOLLARS before the town can sell your house.  Unless your house is only worth $100.  That's beyond f*cked up.
 
2020-09-18 12:57:44 AM  
I'm sure one of the resident Fark goons will be along to explain why they should break her fingers, to teach her and all the other grandmas a lesson.

"If you makes an exception for one poyson, you gotta make an exception for everybody..."

[cracks knuckles and grabs the bat]
 
2020-09-18 12:58:41 AM  

Firthoffourth: ViolentEastCoastCity: This is peak New Jersey.

Peak America.


Yes, but.... well, if you've ever lived in NJ, you'd understand.  I can hardly explain it.  It's the Red Tape State.
 
2020-09-18 12:58:46 AM  
Buncha dirty, wretched low down rotten sons of a bunch of mother farking assholes.
 
2020-09-18 12:59:11 AM  
It's the law that stands between society and... hang on...

*reads article*

BURN IT ALL DOWN!
 
2020-09-18 12:59:43 AM  
I assume this is all fake or massively exaggerated.
Since it's the daily fail, and usually fake or hyperbole whenever any other source has a story like this.
 
2020-09-18 12:59:55 AM  
NJ gov. is lawful evil when it's not being chaotic neutral.
 
2020-09-18 1:02:07 AM  
Why are the Brits so interested in the U.S. anyway? Oh, that's right, it makes them feel better about their standings vis a vis the rest of Europe.
 
2020-09-18 1:02:56 AM  

Firthoffourth: ViolentEastCoastCity: This is peak New Jersey.

Peak America.





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late capitalism
biff tannen in the white house should of told ya
before he has the mcshiats
 
2020-09-18 1:05:20 AM  
The daughter has enough energy to complain to the media, but not enough to pay the 6 cents herself in  the first place?    sure.
 
2020-09-18 1:09:03 AM  

Stud Gerbil: The daughter has enough energy to complain to the media, but not enough to pay the 6 cents herself in  the first place?    sure.


it might have been too late.

If that were my mother, I'd shove that 6 cents up someone's ass.
 
2020-09-18 1:09:10 AM  

ViolentEastCoastCity: Firthoffourth: ViolentEastCoastCity: This is peak New Jersey.

Peak America.

Yes, but.... well, if you've ever lived in NJ, you'd understand.  I can hardly explain it.  It's the Red Tape State.


It's America in a nutshell.  My father's insurance did this to him over 13 cents when he was getting treated for a brain tumor.  He had a couple surgeries lined up, they did one, my dad's premium came up, he paid it but was 13 cents short.

They could have called.

They could have done anything, but they saw how much brain cancer was costing them so they sent 2 letters within 24 hours from California.  Which means they arrived a day apart.

1 was for the 13 cents owed

The one the next day was a cancellation of policy over that 13 cents.

So he didn't even have time to mail the check or pay by card because his insurance was canceled by the time he got the first letter.

Luckily my father had some friends with some very nice lawyers on the payroll.  My father ended up missing a surgery due to the wrangling, but the insurance company folded shortly there after.

This shiat is stupid.  Our country is farked when it's not only legal for shiat like this to happen, but people get bonuses for doing shiat like this.
 
2020-09-18 1:14:35 AM  

dkulprit: ViolentEastCoastCity: Firthoffourth: ViolentEastCoastCity: This is peak New Jersey.

Peak America.

Yes, but.... well, if you've ever lived in NJ, you'd understand.  I can hardly explain it.  It's the Red Tape State.

It's America in a nutshell.  My father's insurance did this to him over 13 cents when he was getting treated for a brain tumor.  He had a couple surgeries lined up, they did one, my dad's premium came up, he paid it but was 13 cents short.

They could have called.

They could have done anything, but they saw how much brain cancer was costing them so they sent 2 letters within 24 hours from California.  Which means they arrived a day apart.

1 was for the 13 cents owed

The one the next day was a cancellation of policy over that 13 cents.

So he didn't even have time to mail the check or pay by card because his insurance was canceled by the time he got the first letter.

Luckily my father had some friends with some very nice lawyers on the payroll.  My father ended up missing a surgery due to the wrangling, but the insurance company folded shortly there after.

This shiat is stupid.  Our country is farked when it's not only legal for shiat like this to happen, but people get bonuses for doing shiat like this.


Everything else is on the up and up though right? As long as it comes CNN or MSN or NBC.
 
2020-09-18 1:16:26 AM  
At least they are proposing to set a higher limit before a sale is triggered...$100. That should fix it.

$100 is about $8/month. If an unpaid tax bill is lower than the monthly grocery expenses, maybe someone should investigate the welfare of the homeowner.
 
2020-09-18 1:20:15 AM  

ViolentEastCoastCity: Stud Gerbil: The daughter has enough energy to complain to the media, but not enough to pay the 6 cents herself in  the first place?    sure.

it might have been too late.

If that were my mother, I'd shove that 6 cents up someone's ass.


We've got plenty of ass pennies.

Sorry - *I'VE* got plenty of ass pennies.

Well, I used to...
 
2020-09-18 1:22:15 AM  

fark'emfeed'emfish: dkulprit: ViolentEastCoastCity: Firthoffourth: ViolentEastCoastCity: This is peak New Jersey.

Peak America.

Yes, but.... well, if you've ever lived in NJ, you'd understand.  I can hardly explain it.  It's the Red Tape State.

It's America in a nutshell.  My father's insurance did this to him over 13 cents when he was getting treated for a brain tumor.  He had a couple surgeries lined up, they did one, my dad's premium came up, he paid it but was 13 cents short.

They could have called.

They could have done anything, but they saw how much brain cancer was costing them so they sent 2 letters within 24 hours from California.  Which means they arrived a day apart.

1 was for the 13 cents owed

The one the next day was a cancellation of policy over that 13 cents.

So he didn't even have time to mail the check or pay by card because his insurance was canceled by the time he got the first letter.

Luckily my father had some friends with some very nice lawyers on the payroll.  My father ended up missing a surgery due to the wrangling, but the insurance company folded shortly there after.

This shiat is stupid.  Our country is farked when it's not only legal for shiat like this to happen, but people get bonuses for doing shiat like this.

Everything else is on the up and up though right? As long as it comes CNN or MSN or NBC.


It sure what that has to do with the price of tea in China.  Im not sure what comes from those sites unless their articles end up on fark though.

Should i be getting my info from Alex jones?  Seems to be feeding you all the hot takes that keep turning out right.
 
2020-09-18 1:23:04 AM  

scalpod: ViolentEastCoastCity: Stud Gerbil: The daughter has enough energy to complain to the media, but not enough to pay the 6 cents herself in  the first place?    sure.

it might have been too late.

If that were my mother, I'd shove that 6 cents up someone's ass.

We've got plenty of ass pennies.

Sorry - *I'VE* got plenty of ass pennies.

Well, I used to...


Ass Pennies - Upright Citizens Brigade
Youtube f9aM_dT5VMI
 
2020-09-18 1:28:46 AM  
I think the daughter shares part of the blame here. I'm not defending the scumbag New Jersey politicians but she could have stopped before it went this far if she'd been looking out for her mother.
 
2020-09-18 1:29:25 AM  
I am curious as to who is taking care of the woman? If she has alzheimers it seems to me that she should not be living along, that she should have someone who visits on a regular basis and who could have learned about this sooner.

And, no, I am not trying to blame the daughter or any of the woman's relatives. I am just genuinely curious as to this woman's living situation. And, yes, the City were a bunch of f*cking Richards for this move.
 
2020-09-18 1:29:46 AM  

dkulprit: ViolentEastCoastCity: Firthoffourth: ViolentEastCoastCity: This is peak New Jersey.

Peak America.

Yes, but.... well, if you've ever lived in NJ, you'd understand.  I can hardly explain it.  It's the Red Tape State.

It's America in a nutshell.  My father's insurance did this to him over 13 cents when he was getting treated for a brain tumor.  He had a couple surgeries lined up, they did one, my dad's premium came up, he paid it but was 13 cents short.

They could have called.

They could have done anything, but they saw how much brain cancer was costing them so they sent 2 letters within 24 hours from California.  Which means they arrived a day apart.

1 was for the 13 cents owed

The one the next day was a cancellation of policy over that 13 cents.

So he didn't even have time to mail the check or pay by card because his insurance was canceled by the time he got the first letter.

Luckily my father had some friends with some very nice lawyers on the payroll.  My father ended up missing a surgery due to the wrangling, but the insurance company folded shortly there after.

This shiat is stupid.  Our country is farked when it's not only legal for shiat like this to happen, but people get bonuses for doing shiat like this.


I was with Allstate for 14 years.  I was 8 days late on a payment, because my bill fell behind the shelf I keep my bills to pay on, and I totally forgot about it. I found the bill, and sent in the payment.  30 days later I get a letter returning my check and saying they canceled my policy 30 days ago. No call.  Just a letter saying I had no insurance for the past 30 days. (Glad I didn't get into a damn accident.)
I called them up and asked WTF? I had been with you guys for 14 damn years.  Never late on a payment until this one time.  They said they would not restore the policy, but they'd be happy to write a new one.  At double what I was paying.  I told them to go fark themselves and went with USAA and never looked back.

/yeah, ultimately it was my fault for being late, but damn, seriously?
 
2020-09-18 1:30:27 AM  

ViolentEastCoastCity: Firthoffourth: ViolentEastCoastCity: This is peak New Jersey.

Peak America.

Yes, but.... well, if you've ever lived in NJ, you'd understand.  I can hardly explain it.  It's the Red Tape State.


The Romans invented rules-lawyering & paper-pushing, and their descendants in the Americas have perfected it.
 
2020-09-18 1:34:10 AM  
6 cents?  I can beat that.

I cancelled my mobile account with a particular company and they sent me a final invoice for 94c.

But they wouldn't accept a credit card payment over the internet for less than $1.  I would have to pay in cash.  There was no way I was going to make a special in person trip to their office just to pay 94c.  So I said fark it and just paid them $1.  Meaning I owed them -6c.

For the next several months I got increasingly threatening letters from them saying they were going to cut off my phone (yeah, about that...) and demanding I pay them -6c.  Then I got the letter saying they had cut off my phone account (oh noes!).  But when it got to the point where they were threatening to report me to a credit agency I thought I'd better do something about it before I got a black mark on my credit score for being owed 6c.

So I rang them and explained and they said sorry and they'd send me a check for 6c.  And I said fer fark's sake don't do that just keep it.  Which caused some disquiet because they didn't really have any system for keeping overpayments.  Anyway, they said they'd sort it out.

But then of course I got a check for 6c.  There was no way I was going to make a trip to the bank to deposit a check for 6c.  So I binned it.

This was about ten years ago and I wonder if to this day they have on their books an entry for an unpresented check for 6c.
 
2020-09-18 1:34:22 AM  
Daughter dearest:

"Goldenthal's daughter said she paid off her mother's debt and the house was taken off the market, but was infuriated that the system allowed it to be put up in the first place.
'How many people during a pandemic, or any other time, are being victimized by this greedy, broken system?' Suhay said.
In a video posted to TikTok, a clearly furious Suhay explained the situation in order to raise awareness of her mother's situation.
'Today, I spent the entire day saving her home from a tax sale that was happening today that she didn't want to tell me about because she has Alzheimer's - so half the time she didn't even remember it was happening, and the other half of the time she was too terrified to tell me and too ashamed and too afraid and too worried,' she said."


She paid a couple hundred to keep her ailing mom from being kicked out of her own house, but never once thought that maybe mom should have someone looking after her affairs since she is incapable of doing so herself?    Daughter of the year right there.
 
2020-09-18 1:36:21 AM  

MythDragon: dkulprit: ViolentEastCoastCity: Firthoffourth: ViolentEastCoastCity: This is peak New Jersey.

Peak America.

Yes, but.... well, if you've ever lived in NJ, you'd understand.  I can hardly explain it.  It's the Red Tape State.

It's America in a nutshell.  My father's insurance did this to him over 13 cents when he was getting treated for a brain tumor.  He had a couple surgeries lined up, they did one, my dad's premium came up, he paid it but was 13 cents short.

They could have called.

They could have done anything, but they saw how much brain cancer was costing them so they sent 2 letters within 24 hours from California.  Which means they arrived a day apart.

1 was for the 13 cents owed

The one the next day was a cancellation of policy over that 13 cents.

So he didn't even have time to mail the check or pay by card because his insurance was canceled by the time he got the first letter.

Luckily my father had some friends with some very nice lawyers on the payroll.  My father ended up missing a surgery due to the wrangling, but the insurance company folded shortly there after.

This shiat is stupid.  Our country is farked when it's not only legal for shiat like this to happen, but people get bonuses for doing shiat like this.

I was with Allstate for 14 years.  I was 8 days late on a payment, because my bill fell behind the shelf I keep my bills to pay on, and I totally forgot about it. I found the bill, and sent in the payment.  30 days later I get a letter returning my check and saying they canceled my policy 30 days ago. No call.  Just a letter saying I had no insurance for the past 30 days. (Glad I didn't get into a damn accident.)
I called them up and asked WTF? I had been with you guys for 14 damn years.  Never late on a payment until this one time.  They said they would not restore the policy, but they'd be happy to write a new one.  At double what I was paying.  I told them to go fark themselves and went with USAA and never looked back.

/yeah, ultima ...


Insurance companies, mobile phone service, banks...

Loyalty gets you absolutely nothing. You could've been a customer for a hundred f*cking years and they'll give a better deal to the next idiot who comes along to entice him in. Meanwhile everyone else who's been with them since they were wearing tweed jackets can go get stuffed.
 
2020-09-18 1:37:04 AM  
Daughter seems just as crazy as spacy mom
 
2020-09-18 1:37:19 AM  

Bonzo_1116: ViolentEastCoastCity: Firthoffourth: ViolentEastCoastCity: This is peak New Jersey.

Peak America.

Yes, but.... well, if you've ever lived in NJ, you'd understand.  I can hardly explain it.  It's the Red Tape State.

The Romans invented rules-lawyering & paper-pushing, and their descendants in the Americas have perfected it.


And they're on the cusp of bringing their god emperor back, so I guess it all just comes right back around again?
 
2020-09-18 1:39:37 AM  
As someone who works in tech, the old excuse of, "it's automatic, a human can't change anything" really farking infuriates me. What a load of bullshiat. Stop blaming your utter ineptitude on the tool, farkwits. And if you don't know how it works or how to get a work-around, you contact the people who made the damn tool and ask them.
 
2020-09-18 1:44:00 AM  

ByOwlLight: As someone who works in tech, the old excuse of, "it's automatic, a human can't change anything" really farking infuriates me. What a load of bullshiat. Stop blaming your utter ineptitude on the tool, farkwits. And if you don't know how it works or how to get a work-around, you contact the people who made the damn tool and ask them.


What we regularly see in the news (and Fark) is where somebody gets a "bill" for some insane amount, like a trillion dollars or something, because of a programming bug or a misprint. The article and people involved will act like it's a real bill that somebody expects them to pay. Then when it gets pointed out to whoever sent it, a human being says "oh yeah thats an obvious mistake, sorry, we'll fix it". You're right that they should fix the tool, but getting outraged about obvious mistakes is stupid too. Sounds like in this particular case, maybe this went way too long and the interest/penalties piled up long after somebody should have stepped in.
 
2020-09-18 1:45:26 AM  
...and it sounds like if the bill was $60,000 instead of 6 cents, whoever should be helping this woman wouldn't have paid THAT either.
 
2020-09-18 1:45:45 AM  

Firthoffourth: ViolentEastCoastCity: This is peak New Jersey.

Peak America.


Well, so here's the thing.

You - and I...so far - aren't wiling to kill the people who think this sort of thing is a GOOD thing.  And the only thing that is going to make the people who think this is good, stop, is when it directly and clearly poses a threat to their own safety and security.  So it's going to keep happening, unless and until you, and I, and the sane ~40% of the US, are willing to directly threaten the safety and security of the people who like this crap.  The only thing that matter to them are details and profit, and how they can exploit the former to achieve the latter.  Right and wrong don't enter into it.  So unless and until we're willing to enforce a consequence on them that outweighs  all the positives of "profit", it will keep happening, and we'll keep getting Fark articles like this.

/2am drunk doomscrolling may be hazardous to my health, but fark's sake I'm just so tired of all the shiat this country pulls
//I just don't see a solution beyond killing everyone who pings lawful neutral or lawful evil
///we're that far gone
 
2020-09-18 1:46:21 AM  

ByOwlLight: As someone who works in tech, the old excuse of, "it's automatic, a human can't change anything" really farking infuriates me. What a load of bullshiat. Stop blaming your utter ineptitude on the tool, farkwits. And if you don't know how it works or how to get a work-around, you contact the people who made the damn tool and ask them.


Since most tools like this are customized, especially when it comes to.local laws and stuff, they don't have a 1 size fits all version for every state or municipality....  I guarantee they have a custom dev either in-house or contracted that could easily handle this.

I say I guarantee because I worked for an MSP that had a lot of municipalities and I had to deal with shiat like this all the time.  Clients weren't able to translate what they needed to do to devs so they had us do it for them.
 
2020-09-18 1:48:21 AM  

Begoggle: ByOwlLight: As someone who works in tech, the old excuse of, "it's automatic, a human can't change anything" really farking infuriates me. What a load of bullshiat. Stop blaming your utter ineptitude on the tool, farkwits. And if you don't know how it works or how to get a work-around, you contact the people who made the damn tool and ask them.

What we regularly see in the news (and Fark) is where somebody gets a "bill" for some insane amount, like a trillion dollars or something, because of a programming bug or a misprint. The article and people involved will act like it's a real bill that somebody expects them to pay. Then when it gets pointed out to whoever sent it, a human being says "oh yeah thats an obvious mistake, sorry, we'll fix it". You're right that they should fix the tool, but getting outraged about obvious mistakes is stupid too. Sounds like in this particular case, maybe this went way too long and the interest/penalties piled up long after somebody should have stepped in.


FTFA:

'You can keep paying that quarterly payment, but the back payment triggers an amount that eventually can cause a tax sale,' said Siciliano. 'This is all computer-generated, not something that a human can correct.'

This was not a case of "oh snap" like you're suggesting. I don't get mad at those. I get mad at excuses like this.
 
2020-09-18 1:49:17 AM  
Sounds like the old Sprint way of doing things. One of my friends got a cutoff notice for a penny after the rep entered the wrong amount.
 
2020-09-18 1:50:46 AM  
Do government drones ever stop and ask themselves, "is what I am doing immoral?"

Don't bother answering.
 
2020-09-18 1:51:50 AM  

ByOwlLight: This is all computer-generated, not something that a human can correct.'


As an expert in computers let my provide my professional response.  BULLSHIAT!
 
2020-09-18 1:54:52 AM  

OgreMagi: ByOwlLight: This is all computer-generated, not something that a human can correct.'

As an expert in computers let my provide my professional response.  BULLSHIAT!


Well the first part may be true but the second part clearly isn't.
 
2020-09-18 1:56:30 AM  
Meh, typical Fail article.  Click through to the article they link to.

Old lady has alzheimers, daughter learns about the bill, "calls everyone in the town governmentomg," mayor says "you're right, this is stupid," makes it right for alzheimers mom, and is going to propose legislation to ensure people don't lose their homes to computerized "tax sales" for trivial amounts.  That kind of legislation is a slam dunk.

Should it have been that way already?  Of course.

But anyone in IT (below VP, anyhow) has seen and will admit to tons of "fark, we didn't think of that scenario."  As well as "we farking told you" as applied to government contracts.  Or as applied to government coders telling their bosses.

The situation was averted and they're taking measures to fix it.  Wtf more do you want?
 
2020-09-18 2:02:02 AM  

fark'emfeed'emfish: dkulprit: ViolentEastCoastCity: Firthoffourth: ViolentEastCoastCity: This is peak New Jersey.

Peak America.

Yes, but.... well, if you've ever lived in NJ, you'd understand.  I can hardly explain it.  It's the Red Tape State.

It's America in a nutshell.  My father's insurance did this to him over 13 cents when he was getting treated for a brain tumor.  He had a couple surgeries lined up, they did one, my dad's premium came up, he paid it but was 13 cents short.

They could have called.

They could have done anything, but they saw how much brain cancer was costing them so they sent 2 letters within 24 hours from California.  Which means they arrived a day apart.

1 was for the 13 cents owed

The one the next day was a cancellation of policy over that 13 cents.

So he didn't even have time to mail the check or pay by card because his insurance was canceled by the time he got the first letter.

Luckily my father had some friends with some very nice lawyers on the payroll.  My father ended up missing a surgery due to the wrangling, but the insurance company folded shortly there after.

This shiat is stupid.  Our country is farked when it's not only legal for shiat like this to happen, but people get bonuses for doing shiat like this.

Everything else is on the up and up though right? As long as it comes CNN or MSN or NBC.


The hell is this supposed to mean?!
 
2020-09-18 2:03:21 AM  

MythDragon: dkulprit: ViolentEastCoastCity: Firthoffourth: ViolentEastCoastCity: This is peak New Jersey.

Peak America.

Yes, but.... well, if you've ever lived in NJ, you'd understand.  I can hardly explain it.  It's the Red Tape State.

It's America in a nutshell.  My father's insurance did this to him over 13 cents when he was getting treated for a brain tumor.  He had a couple surgeries lined up, they did one, my dad's premium came up, he paid it but was 13 cents short.

They could have called.

They could have done anything, but they saw how much brain cancer was costing them so they sent 2 letters within 24 hours from California.  Which means they arrived a day apart.

1 was for the 13 cents owed

The one the next day was a cancellation of policy over that 13 cents.

So he didn't even have time to mail the check or pay by card because his insurance was canceled by the time he got the first letter.

Luckily my father had some friends with some very nice lawyers on the payroll.  My father ended up missing a surgery due to the wrangling, but the insurance company folded shortly there after.

This shiat is stupid.  Our country is farked when it's not only legal for shiat like this to happen, but people get bonuses for doing shiat like this.

I was with Allstate for 14 years.  I was 8 days late on a payment, because my bill fell behind the shelf I keep my bills to pay on, and I totally forgot about it. I found the bill, and sent in the payment.  30 days later I get a letter returning my check and saying they canceled my policy 30 days ago. No call.  Just a letter saying I had no insurance for the past 30 days. (Glad I didn't get into a damn accident.)
I called them up and asked WTF? I had been with you guys for 14 damn years.  Never late on a payment until this one time.  They said they would not restore the policy, but they'd be happy to write a new one.  At double what I was paying.  I told them to go fark themselves and went with USAA and never looked back.

/yeah, ultimately it was my fault for being late, but damn, seriously?


That's fun, I had an even worse one with Progressive. I had the back glass on my 13 year old Vibe break. Simple glass claim. Well, the repair shop decided to take Progressive for a ride, ordered a new latch mechanism and repaint of the tailgate. I saw the $1300 estimate and called up the adjuster and told him that was crazy, it was like 25% of the value of the vehicle, I really just need the glass replaced. He says it's Progressive policy to pay the work the 'certified' shop recommends. Come renewal time my premium goes up 250%, for a no fault comprehensive claim (window shattered due to defrost circuit malfunction) that I told them not to pay. 14 years with them, they're a big Cleveland employer so I liked using them, but not at that kind of rate hike! Best part is by law in Ohio comprehensive claims aren't supposed to affect rates.
 
2020-09-18 2:04:59 AM  
NotThatGuyAgain:The situation was averted and they're taking measures to fix it.  Wtf more do you want?

The government we get is bureaucratic and "one size fits all" because that's the cheapest type of government and that's what we want to pay for.

The government we want is warm and personalised and human, but that's expensive and not what we want to pay for.
 
2020-09-18 2:07:46 AM  

dkulprit: ViolentEastCoastCity: Firthoffourth: ViolentEastCoastCity: This is peak New Jersey.

Peak America.

Yes, but.... well, if you've ever lived in NJ, you'd understand.  I can hardly explain it.  It's the Red Tape State.


It's America in a nutshell.  My father's insurance did this to him over 13 cents when he was getting treated for a brain tumor.  He had a couple surgeries lined up, they did one, my dad's premium came up, he paid it but was 13 cents short.

They could have called.

They could have done anything, but they saw how much brain cancer was costing them so they sent 2 letters within 24 hours from California.  Which means they arrived a day apart.

1 was for the 13 cents owed

The one the next day was a cancellation of policy over that 13 cents.

So he didn't even have time to mail the check or pay by card because his insurance was canceled by the time he got the first letter.

Luckily my father had some friends with some very nice lawyers on the payroll.  My father ended up missing a surgery due to the wrangling, but the insurance company folded shortly there after.

This shiat is stupid.  Our country is farked when it's not only legal for shiat like this to happen, but people get bonuses for doing shiat like this.


And keep in mind that the republicans want to shiatcan all of the Obama's-era healthcare regulations... If the insurance company did manage to drop him as a customer over 13 cents, whatever new insurance provider willing to take him would then be allowed exclude coverage for anything cancer related as a pre-existing condition again if the republicans got their way.
 
2020-09-18 2:07:46 AM  

ViolentEastCoastCity: fark'emfeed'emfish: dkulprit: ViolentEastCoastCity: Firthoffourth: ViolentEastCoastCity: This is peak New Jersey.

Peak America.

Yes, but.... well, if you've ever lived in NJ, you'd understand.  I can hardly explain it.  It's the Red Tape State.

It's America in a nutshell.  My father's insurance did this to him over 13 cents when he was getting treated for a brain tumor.  He had a couple surgeries lined up, they did one, my dad's premium came up, he paid it but was 13 cents short.

They could have called.

They could have done anything, but they saw how much brain cancer was costing them so they sent 2 letters within 24 hours from California.  Which means they arrived a day apart.

1 was for the 13 cents owed

The one the next day was a cancellation of policy over that 13 cents.

So he didn't even have time to mail the check or pay by card because his insurance was canceled by the time he got the first letter.

Luckily my father had some friends with some very nice lawyers on the payroll.  My father ended up missing a surgery due to the wrangling, but the insurance company folded shortly there after.

This shiat is stupid.  Our country is farked when it's not only legal for shiat like this to happen, but people get bonuses for doing shiat like this.

Everything else is on the up and up though right? As long as it comes CNN or MSN or NBC.

The hell is this supposed to mean?!


He reposts things fron twitter and or the likes of Stefan Molyneaux and then calls everyone sheep for coming to their own conclusions.  I keep calling him out for his dangerous bullshiat peddling and he thinks he sure got me with that incoherent, completely off topic, nonsensical mess.
 
2020-09-18 2:18:18 AM  

robodog: That's fun, I had an even worse one with Progressive. I had the back glass on my 13 year old Vibe break. Simple glass claim. Well, the repair shop decided to take Progressive for a ride, ordered a new latch mechanism and repaint of the tailgate. I saw the $1300 estimate and called up the adjuster and told him that was crazy, it was like 25% of the value of the vehicle, I really just need the glass replaced. He says it's Progressive policy to pay the work the 'certified' shop recommends. Come renewal time my premium goes up 250%, for a no fault comprehensive claim (window shattered due to defrost circuit malfunction) that I told them not to pay. 14 years with them, they're a big Cleveland employer so I liked using them, but not at that kind of rate hike! Best part is by law in Ohio comprehensive claims aren't supposed to affect rates.


I've been using LibertyMutual forever.  Had a no-fault claim, and at renewal time they wanted to double my rates. When I called them to complain, their initial story boiled down to "too bad, so sad, nothing we can do about that". I told them I'd be contacting some of of the competing insurance companies instead, and all of a sudden that changed to "oh, wait -- you've been a customer with us for 20 years with no prior claims -- I guess your account might be overdue for a re-assessment". Transferred me to someone else, and by the end of the call my renewal rate ended up about half of my original rate - and about a quarter of the new rate they tried to get me to pay.

/It pays to complain, but always stay courteous, polite, and reasonable. NO customer service agent is going to do any favors when you call in acting like a raging asshole.
//It hadn't occurred to me that if you've been a longtime customer, you likely aged out of your initial higher risk younger driver bracket - but they aren't going to voluntarily lower your rates unless you remind them of that.
 
2020-09-18 2:20:28 AM  

DrowningLessons: trappedspirit: Glen Kristi Goldenthal's home was put up for sale by Ocean Township officials on September 9 after the tiny debt she owed on her taxes snowballed to more than $300 with interest and administrative fees piling up.

So she owed more than $300?  Did she have anyone not alzheimery to look after her bills?  Because it doesn't sound like it.  And I am pretty sure they do not check on your mental health before following policy.  That would be a violation of HIPAA.

Hahaha whenever I think someone can't defend the indefensible, f*cking wrong every time.


You need to develop better reading comprehension skills if you think I am wanting this woman to be homeless.  But I am just guessing as to what you really think my thoughts are.  Because you don't know what they are and have extrapolated more than you should have from my post.  What in your mind does my post defend?  And please, break it down line by line.  What sentence triggered you?
 
2020-09-18 2:25:46 AM  

Excelsior: dkulprit: ViolentEastCoastCity: Firthoffourth: ViolentEastCoastCity: This is peak New Jersey.

Peak America.

Yes, but.... well, if you've ever lived in NJ, you'd understand.  I can hardly explain it.  It's the Red Tape State.


It's America in a nutshell.  My father's insurance did this to him over 13 cents when he was getting treated for a brain tumor.  He had a couple surgeries lined up, they did one, my dad's premium came up, he paid it but was 13 cents short.

They could have called.

They could have done anything, but they saw how much brain cancer was costing them so they sent 2 letters within 24 hours from California.  Which means they arrived a day apart.

1 was for the 13 cents owed

The one the next day was a cancellation of policy over that 13 cents.

So he didn't even have time to mail the check or pay by card because his insurance was canceled by the time he got the first letter.

Luckily my father had some friends with some very nice lawyers on the payroll.  My father ended up missing a surgery due to the wrangling, but the insurance company folded shortly there after.

This shiat is stupid.  Our country is farked when it's not only legal for shiat like this to happen, but people get bonuses for doing shiat like this.

And keep in mind that the republicans want to shiatcan all of the Obama's-era healthcare regulations... If the insurance company did manage to drop him as a customer over 13 cents, whatever new insurance provider willing to take him would then be allowed exclude coverage for anything cancer related as a pre-existing condition again if the republicans got their way.


Yup.  The good thing about that (hopefully they aren't able to actually follow through) is that the midterms that brought the dems a bunch of the seats most recently was a direct referendum on the republican's attacks on healthcare.  Places that voted solidly trump brought in dem seats because they saw their healthcare going to shiat.

So them trying to bring it down would be shooting themselves in the foot.  So bring it on.

Though the dems aren't exactly in anyone's good graces when it comes to healthcare right now.  Schumer and Pelosi trumpeting that they'd subsidize COBRA for the relief bill like thats something special?  Seriously, it's the worst most costly insurance there is.  Its a farking terrible idea. fark them too, but it definitely isn't "hey, we're trying to take away the only things people from both sides away."

So we got that going for us.
 
2020-09-18 2:55:24 AM  

ViolentEastCoastCity: This is peak New Jersey.


nonsense. it can happen in all the States. there was at least a year of mail previous to this, an attempt to collect their computer satisfying few pennies. where was outraged daughter then? family members let this slip through the cracks. the tax man always gets his blood.
 
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