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(NineSigma)   Dear World: So, we have a bunch of radioactive sandbags, and we need to know how to deal with them. Any ideas? Anything involving cuteness is a bonus, but not required. We already know Radioactive Sandbags would be a good band name. Thanks, Fukushima   (ninesights.ninesigma.com) divider line
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2020-09-17 11:52:56 AM  
Well, how many do you have?  Enough to construct a lifesize art installation of Gojira? Seems tangentially appropriate.
 
2020-09-17 12:22:02 PM  
Radioactive Funbags for the all-girl alt line-up.
 
2020-09-17 12:25:59 PM  
mix it with all that radioactive water that's sitting around, find and add some radioactive cement, and make radioactive concrete to encase everything else
 
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2020-09-17 12:34:25 PM  
To defend against rising coastal waters, I suggest we stack them around Mar-a-Lago.
 
2020-09-17 12:41:40 PM  
Dump them on a beach,
Write a song about the sunbathers.

♫ ♪  Short and pale and young and glowing ♫ ♪
♫ ♪  The girls from Fukushima are growing ♫ ♪
♫ ♪  And when they grow ♫ ♪
♫ ♪  they grow tentacles, yow!  ♫ ♪
 
2020-09-17 12:44:05 PM  
market them to trumpsters as 'anti-covid' suppositories.

"They'll take your mind of everything else"
 
2020-09-17 12:47:11 PM  
Melt the sand and form it into glass blocks. Supposedly radioactive waste encased in glass is less corrosive and will be someone elses problem by the time it rusts through whatever secondary encasement is used to store the glass.
 
2020-09-17 12:50:19 PM  

fragMasterFlash: Melt the sand and form it into glass blocks. Supposedly radioactive waste encased in glass is less corrosive and will be someone elses problem by the time it rusts through whatever secondary encasement is used to store the glass.


"Vitrification."
 
2020-09-17 1:05:51 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: fragMasterFlash: Melt the sand and form it into glass blocks. Supposedly radioactive waste encased in glass is less corrosive and will be someone elses problem by the time it rusts through whatever secondary encasement is used to store the glass.

"Vitrification."


"Trumper dildoification", see my prior statement.
 
2020-09-17 1:23:35 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: mix it with all that radioactive water that's sitting around, find and add some radioactive cement, and make radioactive concrete to encase everything else


I'd make radioactive glass out of it, and use it to construct the inner ring of barriers at the site.  Functional and pretty.
 
2020-09-17 1:25:49 PM  
I'd have to look up some numbers, but if you spread the sand out into the ocean, it would probably be dispersed enough to not matter
 
2020-09-17 1:31:15 PM  
Put a whale on top of them and TNT underneath them.

It's been a while since I've seen that shower of blubber video.
 
2020-09-17 1:34:48 PM  
*adjusts engineer hat*

Let's see... several meters deep, in a basement made from very thick cement walls, with 4 Sv/hr radiation.. And there's a bunch of contaminated seawater... some of the bags may be broken.. and entombing it in place is not an option.

No, thanks. That's a dog of a problem.
 
2020-09-17 1:35:16 PM  
I submitted a proposal for remediation through kinetic sintering, but they told me to go pound sand.
 
2020-09-17 1:42:11 PM  
how to deal with them

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2020-09-17 1:51:42 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: *adjusts engineer hat*

Let's see... several meters deep, in a basement made from very thick cement walls, with 4 Sv/hr radiation.. And there's a bunch of contaminated seawater... some of the bags may be broken.. and entombing it in place is not an option.

No, thanks. That's a dog of a problem.


Yucca mountain.....

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2020-09-17 2:05:27 PM  

gopher321: how to deal with them

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I regret I only have one funny to give.

EXTREMELY DANGEROUS, WE MUST DEAL WITH IT.
 
2020-09-17 2:10:46 PM  
elon musk right now is staring at that page, rubbing his hands together, laughing maniacally, and wondering if any pedos will get in the way of him saving the world this time
 
2020-09-17 2:13:22 PM  
Dump them in the sea.
 
2020-09-17 2:15:33 PM  

PirateKing: I submitted a proposal for remediation through kinetic sintering, but they told me to go pound sand.


... you are never going to get the credit you should get for that joke, and I can click "Funny" only once...
 
2020-09-17 2:27:19 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: *adjusts engineer hat*

Let's see... several meters deep, in a basement made from very thick cement walls, with 4 Sv/hr radiation.. And there's a bunch of contaminated seawater... some of the bags may be broken.. and entombing it in place is not an option.

No, thanks. That's a dog of a problem.


no visibility stagnant contaminated seawater no less.
i like that they point out that expected camera service life is only 30 minutes...then also point out that visibility is farking ZERO and theyre only estimating where the sandbags are by rad counts.

thats going to be a shiat show.  they might as well just say "actually we have no idea what the problem space is.  step 1 is we need you to build something to actually go find out what step 2 will even be"
 
2020-09-17 2:35:29 PM  

fragMasterFlash: Melt the sand and form it into glass blocks. Supposedly radioactive waste encased in glass is less corrosive and will be someone elses problem by the time it rusts through whatever secondary encasement is used to store the glass.


That works, but I'm having trouble seeing the problem with where they are.  The "solution" appears to be an overly complicated scheme to have the sandbags still in contact with the same water, but after throwing plenty of money at contractors to have them underground.  Not sure if your way is any cheaper (it is ideal for higher level waste, but sandbags seem overkill.
 
2020-09-17 2:37:00 PM  
 
2020-09-17 3:37:15 PM  
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2020-09-17 3:37:39 PM  

American-Irish eyes: Dump them in the sea.


Actually, not a bad idea.   Somewhere out on the abyssal plane.  Water is a good radiation shield, and there isn't much exchange between the very bottom of the ocean and the areas where we get fish:  It's mostly a one way ticket down.

So put them in weighted barrels, haul them out away from shore, dump them off in the northern Pacific.

And if you want to keep people away from them, put little battery operated MP3 players blasting out Pavarotti.
 
2020-09-17 4:20:42 PM  
How can there still be proponents of nuclear power?
 
2020-09-17 4:50:57 PM  

dryknife: How can there still be proponents of nuclear power?


Because the global demand for electricity continues to grow and it's still the most effective method we have right now of generating large quantities of (relatively) clean electricity?  Seriously, look at the alternatives:

Coal: Dirty, inefficient, terrible greenhouse gas emitter that will eventually kill the planet.  Non-renewable.

Solar: Still highly inefficient, averaging 15-25% efficiency, though some can reach as high as 42% right now.  Requires a lot of space to place panels, doesn't work on cloudy days or at night, needs frequent cleaning and maintenance.  If we can get much higher efficiency, this will be a very viable generation method in addition to other methods.

Wind: Efficient, but needs wind, requires even more space than solar takes up to generate any meaningful amount of electricity.  Kills birds.  ("Causes cancer." -Drumpf)

Hydro: We already use this considerably, but only works in places with large quantities of fast moving water.

Nuclear power is still our best way to make electricity at the moment, and it's still relatively safe.  There are loads of power plants all over the world that have been operating for decades without incident -- most of which you probably didn't even know were there.
 
2020-09-17 5:02:47 PM  

sithon: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria​n​a_Trench


Sure, go ahead, piss off the aliens.
 
2020-09-17 7:50:41 PM  

dittybopper: American-Irish eyes: Dump them in the sea.

Actually, not a bad idea.   Somewhere out on the abyssal plane.  Water is a good radiation shield, and there isn't much exchange between the very bottom of the ocean and the areas where we get fish:  It's mostly a one way ticket down.

So put them in weighted barrels, haul them out away from shore, dump them off in the northern Pacific.

And if you want to keep people away from them, put little battery operated MP3 players blasting out Pavarotti.


You know this is how you get giant sea monsters. You know Japan's record of dealing with giant sea monsters.
 
2020-09-17 8:08:55 PM  
I've been meaning to build a retaining wall in the backyard but I do not have a vehicle so you'll have to deliver. Come through alley and holler, I'll unlock the gate.
 
2020-09-17 8:26:34 PM  

American-Irish eyes: Dump them in the sea.


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2020-09-17 11:09:06 PM  
Make lava?
 
2020-09-18 12:21:27 AM  

Psychopusher: dryknife: How can there still be proponents of nuclear power?

Because the global demand for electricity continues to grow and it's still the most effective method we have right now of generating large quantities of (relatively) clean electricity?  Seriously, look at the alternatives:

Coal: Dirty, inefficient, terrible greenhouse gas emitter that will eventually kill the planet.  Non-renewable.
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Nuclear power is still our best way to make electricity at the moment, and it's still relatively safe.  There are loads of power plants all over the world that have been operating for decades without incident -- most of which you probably didn't even know were there.



This redux of all the methods of generation is unnecessary, and it is mostly mischaracterization anyway.

You really only need to use one performance criterion: safety. It is the most counter-intuitive argument of all because people's intuition is crap.

Nuclear generation is by far the safest means of generating electricity humanity has ever devised. If we believe that air travel is safer than driving a car or crossing the street because we can show it statistically, we should believe that all of the nuclear accidents in history put together have killed fewer people than probably died TODAY from coal, oil, and gas extraction and combustion, and inhalation.

Chemical poisons from PCBs, lead, mercury, carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, huge concentrations of ash, tar, particulates, etc. don't just cause cancer and global warming, they straight up kill you, and soon.
People are just hysterical about nuclear power. Very low levels of radiation don't seem to be very harmful for animals or humans. Moreover, the nuclear industry is very highly regulated, researched, controlled, monitored and managed.

If I did not believe this, I would not live where I live. I believe my life and that of my family, neighbors, and the entire world would be greatly improved if nuclear power were used more.

And as far as the dirt in Fukushima, various methods of treatment are being examined. I suppose distributing it is not a bad idea. But why?  As long as it has all been concentrated, you could just berm it up, cover it with asphalt and put solar panels on it. It is dirt and sand. Build condos for old people. Rinse and repeat while you wait for cheap remediation technologies.
 
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