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(Guardian)   2/3rds of American adults under 40 don't know 6 million Jews were murdered during the Holocaust   (theguardian.com) divider line
    More: Murica, The Holocaust, Gideon Taylor, Holocaust survivors, quarter of respondents, two-thirds of young American adults, Jewish Material Claims, per cent of respondents, new survey  
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2020-09-16 5:07:20 PM  
As  Jew I blame both parents & Schools for not address this.  Unless Holocaust history is taught to people, it's ever more likely it will happened again.
 
2020-09-16 5:25:41 PM  
We have no witnesses to it left.
 
2020-09-16 5:30:52 PM  
There's a lot to hate about Bill O'Reilly, but his WWII books (especially Killing the SS about the Mossad's hunting of Nazis and all the people complicit in their escapes) are pretty fantastic.
 
2020-09-16 5:36:39 PM  
"2/3rds of American adults under 40 don't know 6 million Jews were murdered during the Holocaust ..."

Alleged Holocaust.
 
2020-09-16 5:36:49 PM  
And 1!3 of Americans think that it was a good start. We are a nation of idiots.
 
2020-09-16 5:37:29 PM  
WTF Murica?

Do americans need to be genocided by china or something to learn that genocides are bad?
 
2020-09-16 5:37:42 PM  
After years of watching Jay Leno interview people on the streets of L.A. about 1st grade geography, this doesn't surprise me in the least. Americans define the term "incurious".
 
2020-09-16 5:38:07 PM  
That's what happens when the right wing corrupts the education system from the bottom up.
 
2020-09-16 5:38:07 PM  
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2020-09-16 5:38:21 PM  
Just think back to your high school history classes. These numbers pretty much line up with truancy rates and half the class being a bunch of goobers that aren't paying attention.

The rest is because we tolerate neo-nazis for some reason.
 
2020-09-16 5:39:19 PM  
So we need to memorize the number or we're holocaust deniers?
 
2020-09-16 5:39:57 PM  
How did that happen with people between 35 and 40?

I remember having to go with my high school history class to see Schindler's List.
 
2020-09-16 5:41:04 PM  
That's concerning.

Seriously, do they just not teach history anymore? Any farkers under 25, please tell me, I am genuinely curious. I don't think a year went by from 7th grade on where we didn't cover some aspect of the Holocaust. Was that just because there were a lot of Jews in the area? And don't people watch movies? Or is it all Marvel now?
 
2020-09-16 5:41:17 PM  
Data was collected from 1,000 interviews nationwide and 200 interviews in each state with young adults aged 18 to 39 selected at random.

I'm going to say this is a survey demographics/population problem and not an accurate representation of the real number.
 
2020-09-16 5:42:00 PM  
2/3rds of Americans don't know that means 2 out of 3
 
2020-09-16 5:42:01 PM  
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2020-09-16 5:42:24 PM  
Well they do such a shiatty job teaching 20th century history in public schools, only reason I knew so much was because I read a lot of history and was a big history nerd. I even took history in college when I didn't have to and I have been to the Holocaust museum a few times and I do like it but man it still hits me hard.
 
2020-09-16 5:42:28 PM  

Russ1642: So we need to memorize the number or we're holocaust deniers?


You should be able to get within the ballpark.
 
2020-09-16 5:42:40 PM  
At least partly the result of the Internet and rampant social messaging replacing education.

Maybe Ted Kaczynski was right with his Luddite manifesto.
 
2020-09-16 5:43:21 PM  
I wonder what percentage are aware that before the 1860's there were "slaves" working for "masters" in America?...
 
2020-09-16 5:43:32 PM  
I guess maybe I was a little harsh (or not harsh enough?) in that origin of "gaslighting" thread, then.
 
2020-09-16 5:43:36 PM  

dothemath: "2/3rds of American adults under 40 don't know 6 million Jews were murdered during the Holocaust ..."

Alleged Holocaust.


That better be satire, or I'll find you, duct tape you to a chair, and force you to watch the film the Brits made of a camp they liberated.

And let you barf on yourself.
 
2020-09-16 5:43:46 PM  

Another Government Employee: We have no witnesses to it left.


During Penguin vs Irving no eyewitnesses were called

https://www.hdot.org/trial-materials/​

and the Evans book is excellent

https://www.amazon.com/Lying-About-Hi​t​ler-Richard-Evans/dp/0465021530
 
2020-09-16 5:44:24 PM  
It is definitely a horrifying, sad figure. And, almost sadder, that we don't teach much about Stalin's purges, Mao's revolution, or the other piece of the nazi genocide - the Holodomor / GPO.
 
2020-09-16 5:44:30 PM  
The purpose of schools is not to teach history. The purpose of schools is to prepare our children for working in factories and being good soldiers.

We need to decide what our education system is for and then we can go from there.
 
2020-09-16 5:44:34 PM  

g.fro: Russ1642: So we need to memorize the number or we're holocaust deniers?

You should be able to get within the ballpark.


I was pointing out the stupid phrasing of the headline.
 
2020-09-16 5:44:37 PM  

stoli n coke: How did that happen with people between 35 and 40?

I remember having to go with my high school history class to see Schindler's List.


In Los Angeles, you go to the Holocaust Museum. Near the end of the tour, you have to walk through a mock up tunnel leading to the gas chambers. farking intense.
 
2020-09-16 5:44:52 PM  

groppet: Well they do such a shiatty job teaching 20th century history in public schools, only reason I knew so much was because I read a lot of history and was a big history nerd. I even took history in college when I didn't have to and I have been to the Holocaust museum a few times and I do like it but man it still hits me hard.


Then there are the people who go to the Holocaust museum, and then deny it happened.  The it's, "All a big lie." crowd.
 
2020-09-16 5:44:53 PM  

groppet: Well they do such a shiatty job teaching 20th century history in public schools, only reason I knew so much was because I read a lot of history and was a big history nerd. I even took history in college when I didn't have to and I have been to the Holocaust museum a few times and I do like it but man it still hits me hard.


If someone learns only two things about 20th Century history, the Holocaust is one of them.

If someone only learns one thing about 20th Century history, the Holocaust is part of it.
 
2020-09-16 5:45:05 PM  

stoli n coke: How did that happen with people between 35 and 40?

I remember having to go with my high school history class to see Schindler's List.


I grew up in a time when the History channel showed nothing but WW2 stuff.
 
2020-09-16 5:45:15 PM  

Surrender your boo-tah: The purpose of schools is not to teach history. The purpose of schools is to prepare our children for working in factories and being good soldiers.

We need to decide what our education system is for and then we can go from there.


The purpose of school is to babysit kids while their parents toil in the fields.
 
2020-09-16 5:46:20 PM  

whitroth: That better be satire


Its a sad state when a holocaust denial joke has to be explained.

Remember when we could all just laugh at holocaust denial jokes like carefree children?
 
2020-09-16 5:46:20 PM  
If they DID try to teach about the Holocaust, Trump would have the school shut down for "teaching white people to be ashamed of themselves".
 
2020-09-16 5:46:26 PM  

raerae1980: stoli n coke: How did that happen with people between 35 and 40?

I remember having to go with my high school history class to see Schindler's List.

I grew up in a time when the History channel showed nothing but WW2 stuff.


Now it's half ghost hunters and half ancient aliens.
 
2020-09-16 5:47:10 PM  
Yet another rousing success that the racist assholes of America can point to. I mean, they're helped by the fact that this shiat happened before any of these people were born, but still.
 
2020-09-16 5:47:47 PM  

lolmao500: WTF Murica?

Do americans need to be genocided by china or something to learn that genocides are bad?


Uh, covid 19
 
2020-09-16 5:48:26 PM  
I'm not a holocaust denier, but something about the way we teach it stinks.

Namely the "Never again" part. Who the hell do we think we're kidding? It'll happen again, and we'll all pretend it isn't happening.
 
2020-09-16 5:48:37 PM  

groppet: Well they do such a shiatty job teaching 20th century history in public schools, only reason I knew so much was because I read a lot of history and was a big history nerd. I even took history in college when I didn't have to and I have been to the Holocaust museum a few times and I do like it but man it still hits me hard.


Thank you for having a conscience.
 
2020-09-16 5:49:05 PM  
"He's not a denier, he just thinks the numbers don't add up." - Jane Plough
 
2020-09-16 5:49:19 PM  
What do you expect.
The average American can't spot Canada on a map and they're incapable of figuring out the metric system.
If it didn't happen IN AMERICA and benefited WHITE AMERICANS its never taught unless you specifically take a course in that topic and even then its watered down.
Black History???  Pffft whatevs, here's a token acknowledgement on Martin Luther King.
 
2020-09-16 5:49:40 PM  

SirMadness: It'll happen again and we'll all pretend it isn't happening.


You might wanna check in on Africa because its already been done. Which kinda proves your point.
 
2020-09-16 5:49:41 PM  

growinthings: As  Jew I blame both parents & Schools for not address this.  Unless Holocaust history is taught to people, it's ever more likely it will happened again.


We can't even teach slavery properly and that happened here.
 
2020-09-16 5:49:55 PM  

Surrender your boo-tah: The purpose of schools is not to teach history. The purpose of schools is to prepare our children for working in factories and being good soldiers.

We need to decide what our education system is for and then we can go from there.


There are factories left to work in?
 
2020-09-16 5:50:44 PM  
2 other movies that were really good are Life is Beautiful and The Boy in the Striped Pajamas.
 
2020-09-16 5:50:49 PM  

Russ1642: raerae1980: stoli n coke: How did that happen with people between 35 and 40?

I remember having to go with my high school history class to see Schindler's List.

I grew up in a time when the History channel showed nothing but WW2 stuff.

Now it's half ghost hunters and half ancient aliens.


Ugh.  What a waste.  So much potential.  It's not like there aren't archaeologists around who'd have killed to host an actual show about history.
 
2020-09-16 5:51:31 PM  

Another Government Employee: We have no witnesses to it left.


But we do have 3D hologram recordings of Holocaust survivors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cThsZ​-​paonI
 
2020-09-16 5:51:40 PM  

TotallyRealNotFake: they're incapable of figuring out the metric system.


Hey now, let's not argue about the metric system.   It makes no sense, anyway.   :-P
 
2020-09-16 5:51:42 PM  

stoli n coke: How did that happen with people between 35 and 40?

I remember having to go with my high school history class to see Schindler's List.


Was just gonna say something similar. Didn't watch Schindler's List in school (my parents rented it though) but we did a LOT of study on the Holocaust in history class. And I went to a fairly crappy public school.

/40
 
2020-09-16 5:51:57 PM  

TotallyRealNotFake: What do you expect.
The average American can't spot Canada on a map and they're incapable of figuring out the metric system.
If it didn't happen IN AMERICA and benefited WHITE AMERICANS its never taught unless you specifically take a course in that topic and even then its watered down.
Black History???  Pffft whatevs, here's a token acknowledgement on Martin Luther King.


You know, there are topics where American racism has nothing to do with it.
 
2020-09-16 5:52:12 PM  
TotallyRealNotFake: Pffft whatevs, here's a token acknowledgement on Martin Luther King.

Was he the nice colored person who solved racism with his nice speech?
 
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