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(The Drive)   The USAF's Next Generation Fighter prototype has "broken records" in its first demonstration flights, likely in PEW PEW PEW ability, if the concept art is to be believed   (thedrive.com) divider line
    More: Followup, F-35 Lightning II, second day of the Air Force Association, Boeing X-32, Lockheed Martin X-35, next-generation aircraft, previous undisclosed demonstrator, Dr Will Roper, unmanned aircraft  
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3 days ago  
Have we finished paying for our current next generation of fighters? Have they even been delivered?
 
3 days ago  
After the last generation fighter, the Air Force ordered a load of new F-15s for delivery starting next year.  I'm not sure we can survive another next generation fighter.  But as long as it's cost plus, it will generate LOTS of costs.  Maybe even set new records.
 
3 days ago  
That's why Trump's busy dumping F-35s in the Middle East - they don't work.
 
3 days ago  
Must not have been raining that day
 
3 days ago  

Marcus Aurelius: After the last generation fighter, the Air Force ordered a load of new F-15s for delivery starting next year.  I'm not sure we can survive another next generation fighter.  But as long as it's cost plus, it will generate LOTS of costs.  Maybe even set new records.


What do you mean as long as.

Why would it be any other way. After all, nothing is too good for those brave pilots defense industry execs.
 
3 days ago  
What do you think all those UFOs are
 
3 days ago  
I call BS, that's a screencap from the movie "STEALTH"
 
3 days ago  
<looks at picture>
farking why.  why are we still buying manned fighters.
 
3 days ago  

oopsboom: <looks at picture>
farking why.  why are we still buying manned fighters.


Why do you want autonomous killing machines?
 
3 days ago  

OdradekRex: That's why Trump's busy dumping F-35s in the Middle East - they don't work.


The sales commission is probably being used to pay for the trucks he's using to loot For Knox.
 
3 days ago  
Is it going to have to haul a lump of meat around with it and keep it alive?
 
3 days ago  
Highly symmetrical with an emphasis on maximizing airftame surface area.  Cool, it looks like they've finally figured out the gravity wave containment problem. Now if they can just figure out how to keep the pilots from turning into paste during acceleration we'll be set.

Or have they already? ;-)
 
3 days ago  

waxbeans: oopsboom: <looks at picture>
farking why.  why are we still buying manned fighters.

Why do you want autonomous killing machines?


b/c theyre more effective and we're going to do stupid shiat anyway so id rather have it than not.
its not our pilots fault that our idiot leaders get us tied up in moronic conflicts around the world so its better to keep them safe and alive despite our glorious leader's best attempts to kill them off for treasure and glory.
and if shiat ever really went down and if we needed it vs russia or china or whatever then we need to have it.
 
3 days ago  

oopsboom: <looks at picture>
farking why.  why are we still buying manned fighters.


Unlike how planes are portrayed in the documentary "Eagle Eye," if the plane banks too fast, it loses connection with the satellite.  Unless we have unmanned AI as demonstrated in the other documentary, "Stealth," you won't see any real fighters until we GREATLY improved communications.  At least we are encrypting them now.
 
3 days ago  

oopsboom: waxbeans: oopsboom: <looks at picture>
farking why.  why are we still buying manned fighters.

Why do you want autonomous killing machines?

b/c theyre more effective and we're going to do stupid shiat anyway so id rather have it than not.
its not our pilots fault that our idiot leaders get us tied up in moronic conflicts around the world so its better to keep them safe and alive despite our glorious leader's best attempts to kill them off for treasure and glory.
and if shiat ever really went down and if we needed it vs russia or china or whatever then we need to have it.


I guess you're comfortable removing the human element
and the human cost of War

Hell. With it not killing American's we will have no reason to be against war. I'm sure that will be a better thing?
LOL.

WTF? Seriously.

I guess it's cool if it's only the other side being killed.
LOL.
┻┻︵¯\(ツ)/¯︵┻┻
 
3 days ago  

waxbeans: What do you think all those UFOs are


they are alien recon units. wake up.
 
3 days ago  
Cool. When do we give these ones away to unstable Gulf states so we can get a shiny?
 
3 days ago  

sleze: oopsboom: <looks at picture>
farking why.  why are we still buying manned fighters.

Unlike how planes are portrayed in the documentary "Eagle Eye," if the plane banks too fast, it loses connection with the satellite.  Unless we have unmanned AI as demonstrated in the other documentary, "Stealth," you won't see any real fighters until we GREATLY improved communications.  At least we are encrypting them now.


I lost interest after the classic documentary, Firefox.
 
3 days ago  

waxbeans: oopsboom: waxbeans: oopsboom: <looks at picture>
farking why.  why are we still buying manned fighters.

Why do you want autonomous killing machines?

b/c theyre more effective and we're going to do stupid shiat anyway so id rather have it than not.
its not our pilots fault that our idiot leaders get us tied up in moronic conflicts around the world so its better to keep them safe and alive despite our glorious leader's best attempts to kill them off for treasure and glory.
and if shiat ever really went down and if we needed it vs russia or china or whatever then we need to have it.

I guess you're comfortable removing the human element
and the human cost of War

Hell. With it not killing American's we will have no reason to be against war. I'm sure that will be a better thing?
LOL.

WTF? Seriously.

I guess it's cool if it's only the other side being killed.
LOL.
┻┻︵¯\(ツ)/¯︵┻┻


im realistic enough to realize that the people making those decisions already dont see a "human cost of war".  they dont care if 10 or 100 or 500 US soldiers die on a mission in afghanistan or iraq.  and they sure as fark dont care how people people in the other country die.  so yes, given that they are going to send the mission anyway, regardless, i'd prefer to have the technology to minimize casualties.
 
3 days ago  

waxbeans: oopsboom: waxbeans: oopsboom: <looks at picture>
farking why.  why are we still buying manned fighters.

Why do you want autonomous killing machines?

b/c theyre more effective and we're going to do stupid shiat anyway so id rather have it than not.
its not our pilots fault that our idiot leaders get us tied up in moronic conflicts around the world so its better to keep them safe and alive despite our glorious leader's best attempts to kill them off for treasure and glory.
and if shiat ever really went down and if we needed it vs russia or china or whatever then we need to have it.

I guess you're comfortable removing the human element
and the human cost of War

Hell. With it not killing American's we will have no reason to be against war. I'm sure that will be a better thing?
LOL.

WTF? Seriously.

I guess it's cool if it's only the other side being killed.
LOL.
┻┻︵¯\(ツ)/¯︵┻┻


The goal in war is not to give your life for your country, it's to make the other guy give HIS life for HIS country.
 
3 days ago  
Nah, I don't want it. Let's fund something more useful.
 
3 days ago  

waxbeans: oopsboom: <looks at picture>
farking why.  why are we still buying manned fighters.

Why do you want autonomous killing machines?


So Skynet can fulfill its destiny as the savior of the world!
 
3 days ago  
besides which, waxbeans, I think you're missing the big picture here.

The more we make autonomous killing robots, the sooner we get realistic sex androids.

Please try to keep this in perspective.
 
3 days ago  

some_beer_drinker: waxbeans: What do you think all those UFOs are

they are alien recon units. wake up.


Why would a civilization sophisticated enough to travel this far need to be spotted at all if it was able to be spotted at all if you can travel this far you truly would be able to mask your vehicle in some manner or form
 
3 days ago  
I'm guessing that it has some sort of advanced self-landing guidance system, because I can't see how a pilot has any ability to see the ground on approach.

And, anything that sends that POS F-35 to the boneyard ASAP is fine with me.
 
3 days ago  
Finally my Galaga skills will pay off!
 
3 days ago  

Sanguine Dawn: Cool. When do we give these ones away to unstable Gulf states so we can get a shiny?


A shiny what?
 
3 days ago  
Can't wait to flush trillions of dollars down this new and exciting toilet
 
3 days ago  

oopsboom: waxbeans: oopsboom: waxbeans: oopsboom: <looks at picture>
farking why.  why are we still buying manned fighters.

Why do you want autonomous killing machines?

b/c theyre more effective and we're going to do stupid shiat anyway so id rather have it than not.
its not our pilots fault that our idiot leaders get us tied up in moronic conflicts around the world so its better to keep them safe and alive despite our glorious leader's best attempts to kill them off for treasure and glory.
and if shiat ever really went down and if we needed it vs russia or china or whatever then we need to have it.

I guess you're comfortable removing the human element
and the human cost of War

Hell. With it not killing American's we will have no reason to be against war. I'm sure that will be a better thing?
LOL.

WTF? Seriously.

I guess it's cool if it's only the other side being killed.
LOL.
┻┻︵¯\(ツ)/¯︵┻┻

im realistic enough to realize that the people making those decisions already dont see a "human cost of war".  they dont care if 10 or 100 or 500 US soldiers die on a mission in afghanistan or iraq.  and they sure as fark dont care how people people in the other country die.  so yes, given that they are going to send the mission anyway, regardless, i'd prefer to have the technology to minimize casualties.


Without the Carnage they would never be the general public getting upset and ending wars
Public sentiment matters
without the Carnage of Vietnam War Vietnam would still be carrying on

look at Korea we're still at war with Korea because there's no shooting going on
so you want stalemate with a mix of dead civilians of other nations?????


Okay
 
3 days ago  
This seems like a useless overly expensive item. Why can't we have universal healthcare in this country?
 
3 days ago  

sleze: oopsboom: <looks at picture>
farking why.  why are we still buying manned fighters.

Unlike how planes are portrayed in the documentary "Eagle Eye," if the plane banks too fast, it loses connection with the satellite.  Unless we have unmanned AI as demonstrated in the other documentary, "Stealth," you won't see any real fighters until we GREATLY improved communications.  At least we are encrypting them now.


if we're building AI controlled aircraft that need to be in connection with the satellite 100% of the time we're doing it wrong.  i have no clue why we'd be doing that.  stuff we designed 5+ years ago you could give it a waypoint 2 hours of flying away and tell it to ping you when it got close and go get a coffee.

we've done public trials of stuff that can fly wingman with its buddies using the same encrypted datalinks that we entrust our manned fighter data links to.  and we've seen public trials of AIs that can do missile tracks and even gun furballs using local sensors fully autonomously.  the secret stuff that theyre holding back has to be at least a generation beyond that.  it should be at least a semi-autonomous AI overall that can do several discrete tasks in full autonomous mode with checkins in between to make sure its on track.
 
3 days ago  

Kumana Wanalaia: waxbeans: oopsboom: waxbeans: oopsboom: <looks at picture>
farking why.  why are we still buying manned fighters.

Why do you want autonomous killing machines?

b/c theyre more effective and we're going to do stupid shiat anyway so id rather have it than not.
its not our pilots fault that our idiot leaders get us tied up in moronic conflicts around the world so its better to keep them safe and alive despite our glorious leader's best attempts to kill them off for treasure and glory.
and if shiat ever really went down and if we needed it vs russia or china or whatever then we need to have it.

I guess you're comfortable removing the human element
and the human cost of War

Hell. With it not killing American's we will have no reason to be against war. I'm sure that will be a better thing?
LOL.

WTF? Seriously.

I guess it's cool if it's only the other side being killed.
LOL.
┻┻︵¯\(ツ)/¯︵┻┻

The goal in war is not to give your life for your country, it's to make the other guy give HIS life for HIS country.


That's sort of besides the point clearly you want more death on one side but ideally maybe you shouldn't go to war to begin with I mean unless you just like killing people there's always that
 
3 days ago  

punkwrestler: waxbeans: oopsboom: <looks at picture>
farking why.  why are we still buying manned fighters.

Why do you want autonomous killing machines?

So Skynet can fulfill its destiny as the savior of the world!


Right?
 
3 days ago  

waxbeans: oopsboom: waxbeans: oopsboom: waxbeans: oopsboom: <looks at picture>
farking why.  why are we still buying manned fighters.

Why do you want autonomous killing machines?

b/c theyre more effective and we're going to do stupid shiat anyway so id rather have it than not.
its not our pilots fault that our idiot leaders get us tied up in moronic conflicts around the world so its better to keep them safe and alive despite our glorious leader's best attempts to kill them off for treasure and glory.
and if shiat ever really went down and if we needed it vs russia or china or whatever then we need to have it.

I guess you're comfortable removing the human element
and the human cost of War

Hell. With it not killing American's we will have no reason to be against war. I'm sure that will be a better thing?
LOL.

WTF? Seriously.

I guess it's cool if it's only the other side being killed.
LOL.
┻┻︵¯\(ツ)/¯︵┻┻

im realistic enough to realize that the people making those decisions already dont see a "human cost of war".  they dont care if 10 or 100 or 500 US soldiers die on a mission in afghanistan or iraq.  and they sure as fark dont care how people people in the other country die.  so yes, given that they are going to send the mission anyway, regardless, i'd prefer to have the technology to minimize casualties.

Without the Carnage they would never be the general public getting upset and ending wars
Public sentiment matters
without the Carnage of Vietnam War Vietnam would still be carrying on

look at Korea we're still at war with Korea because there's no shooting going on
so you want stalemate with a mix of dead civilians of other nations?????


Okay


Robot football and fighting sports would be preferable.
 
3 days ago  

Kumana Wanalaia: besides which, waxbeans, I think you're missing the big picture here.

The more we make autonomous killing robots, the sooner we get realistic sex androids.

Please try to keep this in perspective.


Surprisingly a lot of modern technology is an offshoot of military science so you probably onto something there
 
3 days ago  

oopsboom: <looks at picture>
farking why.  why are we still buying manned fighters.


username checks out
 
3 days ago  

oopsboom: waxbeans: oopsboom: <looks at picture>
farking why.  why are we still buying manned fighters.

Why do you want autonomous killing machines?

b/c theyre more effective and we're going to do stupid shiat anyway so id rather have it than not.
its not our pilots fault that our idiot leaders get us tied up in moronic conflicts around the world so its better to keep them safe and alive despite our glorious leader's best attempts to kill them off for treasure and glory.
and if shiat ever really went down and if we needed it vs russia or china or whatever then we need to have it.


The answer is really lag. With the diameter of the earth being 12.75E^6 meters, and the speed of light being 300E^6 meters/second, the fastest possible speed to reach literally the other side of the planet is about 67 ms. Include computing time and you're easily at 200ms. How can you possibly teabag n00bs with that kind of latency? It's in America's best interest to send our best ub3r l33t p1l0t5 to pwn them directly. Anything else is just camping. And you KNOW how
people hate camping.

/I think the actual lag time is about 1-2 seconds. It's kind of bad. Bandwidth/compression issues, I suspect.
 
3 days ago  

Kumana Wanalaia: besides which, waxbeans, I think you're missing the big picture here.

The more we make autonomous killing robots, the sooner we get realistic sex androids.

Please try to keep this in perspective.


The realistic sex androids will pave the path to autonomous killing robots.

Sex drives every innovation.
 
3 days ago  

Dr. DJ Duckhunt: This seems like a useless overly expensive item. Why can't we have universal healthcare in this country?


Because we need to be able to kill people in Faraway lands apparently from the comments I'm getting back
 
3 days ago  

waxbeans: oopsboom: waxbeans: oopsboom: waxbeans: oopsboom: <looks at picture>
farking why.  why are we still buying manned fighters.

Why do you want autonomous killing machines?

b/c theyre more effective and we're going to do stupid shiat anyway so id rather have it than not.
its not our pilots fault that our idiot leaders get us tied up in moronic conflicts around the world so its better to keep them safe and alive despite our glorious leader's best attempts to kill them off for treasure and glory.
and if shiat ever really went down and if we needed it vs russia or china or whatever then we need to have it.

I guess you're comfortable removing the human element
and the human cost of War

Hell. With it not killing American's we will have no reason to be against war. I'm sure that will be a better thing?
LOL.

WTF? Seriously.

I guess it's cool if it's only the other side being killed.
LOL.
┻┻︵¯\(ツ)/¯︵┻┻

im realistic enough to realize that the people making those decisions already dont see a "human cost of war".  they dont care if 10 or 100 or 500 US soldiers die on a mission in afghanistan or iraq.  and they sure as fark dont care how people people in the other country die.  so yes, given that they are going to send the mission anyway, regardless, i'd prefer to have the technology to minimize casualties.

Without the Carnage they would never be the general public getting upset and ending wars
Public sentiment matters
without the Carnage of Vietnam War Vietnam would still be carrying on

look at Korea we're still at war with Korea because there's no shooting going on
so you want stalemate with a mix of dead civilians of other nations?????


Okay


i didnt say it was better.  i just said it is what it is.
but im not going to promote a path that gets more americans killed and makes us vulnerable to peer states just to salve some guilt about how more citizens of another country are dying than us and if we all died at the same rate maybe peace would break out.
 
3 days ago  
Is this the regular version or SKYNET enabled?
 
3 days ago  

waxbeans: Dr. DJ Duckhunt: This seems like a useless overly expensive item. Why can't we have universal healthcare in this country?

Because we need to be able to kill people in Faraway lands apparently from the comments I'm getting back


Otherwise the socialismz win.
 
3 days ago  

Igor Jakovsky: Sanguine Dawn: Cool. When do we give these ones away to unstable Gulf states so we can get a shiny?

A shiny what?


You serious? "Shiny" is an informal noun (slang) for a trinket or bauble, one of relatively high reflective properties.
 
3 days ago  
I mean the F-35 and F-22 aren't going to be top of class forever. If we're going to spend all this money on defense we might as well get something out of it.
 
3 days ago  

Dr. DJ Duckhunt: waxbeans: oopsboom: waxbeans: oopsboom: waxbeans: oopsboom: <looks at picture>
farking why.  why are we still buying manned fighters.

Why do you want autonomous killing machines?

b/c theyre more effective and we're going to do stupid shiat anyway so id rather have it than not.
its not our pilots fault that our idiot leaders get us tied up in moronic conflicts around the world so its better to keep them safe and alive despite our glorious leader's best attempts to kill them off for treasure and glory.
and if shiat ever really went down and if we needed it vs russia or china or whatever then we need to have it.

I guess you're comfortable removing the human element
and the human cost of War

Hell. With it not killing American's we will have no reason to be against war. I'm sure that will be a better thing?
LOL.

WTF? Seriously.

I guess it's cool if it's only the other side being killed.
LOL.
┻┻︵¯\(ツ)/¯︵┻┻

im realistic enough to realize that the people making those decisions already dont see a "human cost of war".  they dont care if 10 or 100 or 500 US soldiers die on a mission in afghanistan or iraq.  and they sure as fark dont care how people people in the other country die.  so yes, given that they are going to send the mission anyway, regardless, i'd prefer to have the technology to minimize casualties.

Without the Carnage they would never be the general public getting upset and ending wars
Public sentiment matters
without the Carnage of Vietnam War Vietnam would still be carrying on

look at Korea we're still at war with Korea because there's no shooting going on
so you want stalemate with a mix of dead civilians of other nations?????


Okay

Robot football and fighting sports would be preferable.


Actually why don't we just make Trump and whoever's running China right now fist fight that seems much more reasonable
 
3 days ago  
How much you wanna bet that one or 2 of those shiny new f-35's get misplaced and end up in China or Russia and get reverse engainered
 
3 days ago  
Unless they have inertial dampeners on these new planes an F-16 piloted by and AI will tear them to pieces.

The era of manned combat with aircraft is over.
 
3 days ago  

ajgeek: oopsboom: waxbeans: oopsboom: <looks at picture>
farking why.  why are we still buying manned fighters.

Why do you want autonomous killing machines?

b/c theyre more effective and we're going to do stupid shiat anyway so id rather have it than not.
its not our pilots fault that our idiot leaders get us tied up in moronic conflicts around the world so its better to keep them safe and alive despite our glorious leader's best attempts to kill them off for treasure and glory.
and if shiat ever really went down and if we needed it vs russia or china or whatever then we need to have it.

The answer is really lag. With the diameter of the earth being 12.75E^6 meters, and the speed of light being 300E^6 meters/second, the fastest possible speed to reach literally the other side of the planet is about 67 ms. Include computing time and you're easily at 200ms. How can you possibly teabag n00bs with that kind of latency? It's in America's best interest to send our best ub3r l33t p1l0t5 to pwn them directly. Anything else is just camping. And you KNOW how
people hate camping.

/I think the actual lag time is about 1-2 seconds. It's kind of bad. Bandwidth/compression issues, I suspect.


again, the goal has never been remote piloted planes.  its always been AI controlled planes - which are given orders by remote controllers.  lag and intermittent connectivity is not an issue in this situation.

we are already either at or past a point where an AI is superior to a person in a cockpit in most flight scenarios.
 
3 days ago  

ajgeek: oopsboom: waxbeans: oopsboom: <looks at picture>
farking why.  why are we still buying manned fighters.

Why do you want autonomous killing machines?

b/c theyre more effective and we're going to do stupid shiat anyway so id rather have it than not.
its not our pilots fault that our idiot leaders get us tied up in moronic conflicts around the world so its better to keep them safe and alive despite our glorious leader's best attempts to kill them off for treasure and glory.
and if shiat ever really went down and if we needed it vs russia or china or whatever then we need to have it.

The answer is really lag. With the diameter of the earth being 12.75E^6 meters, and the speed of light being 300E^6 meters/second, the fastest possible speed to reach literally the other side of the planet is about 67 ms. Include computing time and you're easily at 200ms. How can you possibly teabag n00bs with that kind of latency? It's in America's best interest to send our best ub3r l33t p1l0t5 to pwn them directly. Anything else is just camping. And you KNOW how
people hate camping.

/I think the actual lag time is about 1-2 seconds. It's kind of bad. Bandwidth/compression issues, I suspect.


So why don't they just do a relay race?
 
3 days ago  

Sin'sHero: Kumana Wanalaia: besides which, waxbeans, I think you're missing the big picture here.

The more we make autonomous killing robots, the sooner we get realistic sex androids.

Please try to keep this in perspective.

The realistic sex androids will pave the path to autonomous killing robots.

Sex drives every innovation.


Oh my God I'm dreading the period where the robot is still confused on whether or not to sex me or kill me
 
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