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(MLive.com)   Most storied shipwreck in the history of Lake Michigan discovered, 110 years after its sinking   (mlive.com) divider line
    More: Interesting, Great Lakes, Michigan, Lake Michigan, Lake Superior, dark surface of Lake Michigan, Pere Marquette, Lake, big railroad car ferry  
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3 days ago  
I hope we get to hear about it in a Gordon Lightfoot song
 
3 days ago  
That's quite a story
 
3 days ago  
They found the Erma Fitzgerald?
 
3 days ago  
The sea it is said never gives up her dead
But on Lake Michigan please be wary
The waves it can get will get all the cars wet
Thus the tale of 18 Carferry
 
3 days ago  
Is it the Ella Fits Gerald?
 
3 days ago  
A car carrier from 1910 confused the hell out of me until I realized it was railroad cars.
 
3 days ago  
Didnt it ram the SS Cat Stevens?
 
d23 [OhFark]
3 days ago  
It's the most desirable wreck by no one has heard of it.  Gordon Lightfoot says "WTF?"
 
3 days ago  
Teh boat committed sideways 'cause it was going to Milwaukee.
 
3 days ago  

tonguedepressor: They found the Erma Fitzgerald?


No, they found the Erma Gehrd.
 
3 days ago  

tonguedepressor: They found the Erma Fitzgerald?


I halfway approve of this comment.

/came for Gordon Lightfoot references
//not disappointed
 
3 days ago  

Dr Jack Badofsky: tonguedepressor: They found the Erma Fitzgerald?

No, they found the Erma Gehrd.


DAMMIT!
 
3 days ago  
Naming a song, "The Wreck of the Pere Marquette 18" just doesn't have the same ring to it.
 
3 days ago  
Thanks for the ear worm, Subby.

And here I thought we were friends.
 
3 days ago  
I mean - can you even see the bottom of the Great Lakes or is it all shipwrecks down there?
 
3 days ago  
Griffin says what...
 
3 days ago  
The crew managed to heave four fully loaded freight cars over the stern, to no avail. By 5 a.m., the captain ordered a distress call. Due to the limited technology on board, there was no way for crew aboard the car ferry to know whether their plea had even been heard. The Morse code machine could only transmit messages, not receive them.

I'm calling bullshiat on that.

First, it's called a "transmitter", and you wouldn't install a transmitter on a ship without a matching receiver, even if for the simple reason of not causing interference to others.

Her sister ship, Pere Marquette 17, had both a transmitter and receiver, because they received the CQD (CQ Danger, the code used before SOS) and came to the aid of their sister ship.
 
3 days ago  
They found the Enola Gay?!? Schaaaweeet!
 
3 days ago  

Dead on the River: They found the Enola Gay?!? Schaaaweeet!


Dude, can't call it that anymore.

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3 days ago  
The wireless operator tapped the same frantic message for hours...

This thing went down slower than the Andrea Doria.It eased into the water like an old man into a nice warm bath.
 
3 days ago  
If it's such a big deal, why wasn't it found for 110 years? The lake just isn't that damn big.

*reads TFA*

Ah okay, no one was looking for it (in any meaningful way) until now.

From TFA:

Finding the wreck on day one of the search was a triumph of archival research. With the help of the Ancestry Sisters genealogical research team in Chicago, Eliason obtained an account from first responders with the U.S. Life Saving Service, a precursor of the Coast Guard, which pointed their search toward a different location than most eyewitness accounts.


Research team: "So where is it?"

Archive folks: "It's at this location."

Research team: "OMG WE FOUND IT!!"
 
3 days ago  
I never knew there was a ferry for lost cars.
 
3 days ago  
They found the F. Scott Fitzgerald?
 
3 days ago  
The Robert Mackenzie?
 
3 days ago  
I want to see this episode on the Antiques Road Show...do we know what is in the train cars??
 
3 days ago  

dittybopper: The crew managed to heave four fully loaded freight cars over the stern, to no avail. By 5 a.m., the captain ordered a distress call. Due to the limited technology on board, there was no way for crew aboard the car ferry to know whether their plea had even been heard. The Morse code machine could only transmit messages, not receive them.

I'm calling bullshiat on that.

First, it's called a "transmitter", and you wouldn't install a transmitter on a ship without a matching receiver, even if for the simple reason of not causing interference to others.

Her sister ship, Pere Marquette 17, had both a transmitter and receiver, because they received the CQD (CQ Danger, the code used before SOS) and came to the aid of their sister ship.


but wouldn't you install one?  can't you see people of the day going "this ship doesn't need a receiver, it can't do anything anyway" or some such nonsense?

titanic, unsinkable
apollo capsule, just bolt the door shut they don't need to open it
etc
etc
 
3 days ago  

vudukungfu: Is it the Ella Fits Gerald?


Fellas it's too rough to feed ya, WeeeeeeeeEEEEE bopbudibodoy skibiibibibibbdoeeeeee
 
3 days ago  

cretinbob: That's quite a story


Article was lacking any real historical information.

This might help a bit
 
3 days ago  
I've seen a lot of shipwrecks found laying upright and some on their side and a few upside-down, but I've never heard of a shipwreck with it's ass-end lodged into the muck and it's bow sticking upward at a 40 degree angle. It's been in the deep even longer than the Titanic and yet the bow hasn't broken off by it's own weight after all these years. Seems almost unnatural.

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3 days ago  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: I've seen a lot of shipwrecks found laying upright and some on their side and a few upside-down, but I've never heard of a shipwreck with it's ass-end lodged into the muck and it's bow sticking upward at a 40 degree angle. It's been in the deep even longer than the Titanic and yet the bow hasn't broken off by it's own weight after all these years. Seems almost unnatural.

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1) Freshwater not seawater,
2) Nearly hypoxic in the mud, metal preserved further,
3) Different biome: probably no aggressive iron-metabolizing bacteria or if there are, they are slowed down by the
4) Massive amounts of Quagga/Zebra mussels that now encase and cocoon the hull. Hell, for all we know that's all there is that is left: a massive mussel monument of magical measurement.
 
3 days ago  

xxBirdMadGirlxx: Thanks for the ear worm, Subby.

And here I thought we were friends.


It is a story about a shipwreck in the Great Lakes, what did you think would happen?
 
3 days ago  

oldfarthenry: I mean - can you even see the bottom of the Great Lakes or is it all shipwrecks down there?


Mostly mussels and shipwrecks now. Hell, I can't figure out how after 30 years of the biome having become mostly mussels that the water isn't just crystal clear for a mile down with a layer of mussel shiat at the bottom.
 
3 days ago  

crzybtch: I want to see this episode on the Antiques Road Show...do we know what is in the train cars??


Mussels. LOTS AND LOTS of mussels. And muck. Mostly mussels tho mate.
 
3 days ago  

nursetim: xxBirdMadGirlxx: Thanks for the ear worm, Subby.

And here I thought we were friends.

It is a story about a shipwreck in the Great Lakes, what did you think would happen?


Dude, this is Fark. There is no thinking.
 
3 days ago  

d23: It's the most desirable wreck by no one has heard of it.  Gordon Lightfoot says "WTF?"


There is more than one GREAT LAKE, film at 11.....
 
3 days ago  
I would be curious to know if the reason the stern failed was because of possibly a blown driveshaft stave bearing seal to the prop? AFAIK they were mostly made of lignum vitae wood back then. If she was as delayed for maintenance as the article implies, there may be the possibility that a faulty shaft seal blew in.
 
3 days ago  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: I've seen a lot of shipwrecks found laying upright and some on their side and a few upside-down, but I've never heard of a shipwreck with it's ass-end lodged into the muck and it's bow sticking upward at a 40 degree angle. It's been in the deep even longer than the Titanic and yet the bow hasn't broken off by it's own weight after all these years. Seems almost unnatural.

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The Lake That Never Gives Up Her Dead
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It's cold down there. Stuff sticks around.
 
3 days ago  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: I've seen a lot of shipwrecks found laying upright and some on their side and a few upside-down, but I've never heard of a shipwreck with it's ass-end lodged into the muck and it's bow sticking upward at a 40 degree angle. It's been in the deep even longer than the Titanic and yet the bow hasn't broken off by it's own weight after all these years. Seems almost unnatural.

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That is eerie.
You are right, I have never seen anything even remotely like that.
That thing hit the bottom moving fast, but ships doing that either completely fragment, collapse or even just open up and lay out flat. I am amazed it survived the impact intact, much less maintained that kind of cantilever.
 
3 days ago  

thespindrifter: I would be curious to know if the reason the stern failed was because of possibly a blown driveshaft stave bearing seal to the prop? AFAIK they were mostly made of lignum vitae wood back then. If she was as delayed for maintenance as the article implies, there may be the possibility that a faulty shaft seal blew in.


Maybe they should have fed the shaft seals better food.
 
3 days ago  

Moosedick Gladys Greengroin: Teh boat committed sideways 'cause it was going to Milwaukee.


Which translates in Algonquin to The Good Land.
 
3 days ago  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: I've seen a lot of shipwrecks found laying upright and some on their side and a few upside-down, but I've never heard of a shipwreck with it's ass-end lodged into the muck and it's bow sticking upward at a 40 degree angle. It's been in the deep even longer than the Titanic and yet the bow hasn't broken off by it's own weight after all these years. Seems almost unnatural.

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3 days ago  
Excursion work meant extra sailings and possibly deferred maintenance under charter captains and crews that may not have treated the car ferry as tenderly.

That's why you don't rent out your boat folks.
 
3 days ago  

XPat: thespindrifter: I would be curious to know if the reason the stern failed was because of possibly a blown driveshaft stave bearing seal to the prop? AFAIK they were mostly made of lignum vitae wood back then. If she was as delayed for maintenance as the article implies, there may be the possibility that a faulty shaft seal blew in.

Maybe they should have fed the shaft seals better food.


Or banned them getting sexual favors.  A blown seal is guaranteed to leak.
 
3 days ago  

oldfarthenry: I mean - can you even see the bottom of the Great Lakes or is it all shipwrecks down there?


Legend has it that there is a submerged school bus offshore of Douglas/Saugatuck, Michigan. IIRC the bus driver drove far out on the ice before it broke through.

Yeah, yeah, the winter I was there Lake Michigan never froze solid but the waves did create hills of ice balls all along the shore.
 
3 days ago  

d23: It's the most desirable wreck by no one has heard of it.  Gordon Lightfoot says "WTF?"


Lake Michigan vs Lake Superior

The big lake is called Gitchee-gumi
Michigan is called Enrique
 
3 days ago  

thespindrifter: oldfarthenry: I mean - can you even see the bottom of the Great Lakes or is it all shipwrecks down there?

Mostly mussels and shipwrecks now. Hell, I can't figure out how after 30 years of the biome having become mostly mussels that the water isn't just crystal clear for a mile down with a layer of mussel shiat at the bottom.


I remember when my boss returned from his annual fishing trip to Lake Erie. By that point, the mussels had just hoovered up every game fish in the lake and my boss was not a happy man. That was so long ago, I can't remember his name.
 
3 days ago  

Dryad: AAAAGGGGHHHH: I've seen a lot of shipwrecks found laying upright and some on their side and a few upside-down, but I've never heard of a shipwreck with it's ass-end lodged into the muck and it's bow sticking upward at a 40 degree angle. It's been in the deep even longer than the Titanic and yet the bow hasn't broken off by it's own weight after all these years. Seems almost unnatural.

[img.apmcdn.org image 600x451]

That is eerie.
You are right, I have never seen anything even remotely like that.
That thing hit the bottom moving fast, but ships doing that either completely fragment, collapse or even just open up and lay out flat. I am amazed it survived the impact intact, much less maintained that kind of cantilever.


I assumed without any further info that the ship was found on a slope or small hill of some sort and just the bow was sticking up above the crest. At that angle I would definitely think there was something under it supporting the weight.
 
3 days ago  

vudukungfu: Is it the Ella Fits Gerald?


Is that a song by Peggy Seeger?
 
3 days ago  

Armchair_Invective: Naming a song, "The Wreck of the Pere Marquette 18" just doesn't have the same ring to it.


It does scan, though.
 
3 days ago  

Nogrhi: XPat: thespindrifter: I would be curious to know if the reason the stern failed was because of possibly a blown driveshaft stave bearing seal to the prop? AFAIK they were mostly made of lignum vitae wood back then. If she was as delayed for maintenance as the article implies, there may be the possibility that a faulty shaft seal blew in.

Maybe they should have fed the shaft seals better food.

Or banned them getting sexual favors.  A blown seal is guaranteed to leak.


IT'S JUST ICE CREAM!
 
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