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2020-09-12 9:51:59 AM  
 I'm behind on my rent but my landlord likes me. But how long will his decency last before he has to make a tough decision? There are no jobs in my fields right now (musician and bartender). That $1200 would give me some breathing room.

I didn't cause this virus situation but am sure as sh*t feeling all the consequences.

It's time for America to to look at the populace for a change, not just the wealthy. I'm 45 and have paid a ton of taxes and asked for nothing. Break me off? Please? I don't have the sort of gigs that you can do from home.
 
2020-09-12 10:51:24 AM  
Missing from this story: any mention that republicans removed the $1200 checks from the stimulus bill, and it's the Democrats who want them put back.

The article's been carefully worded to be technically true, while giving the appearance that things are the other way around.
 
2020-09-12 10:56:02 AM  
Cancel all deals for military equipment for 2021 delivery.  Fund a stay at home stipend of $1200 per month per tax payer.  It pays for 3 months, and auto renews if no action is taken.  Anyone who makes over $100k pays it back next year in their taxes.

Do not put anything else in the bill that would be a poison pill like funding art or feasibilty studies on oil in Detroit sewers or the efficacy of skin ointments from Bigfoot.
 
2020-09-12 11:00:11 AM  
It feels like America leans toward "rugged individualism and bring your own bootstraps" when the citizens are struggling, but "we're all in this together" when the nation needs manpower.  I hope your situation gets better soon.
 
2020-09-12 11:15:03 AM  
Since it's the Sun, I now doubt the existence of Nancy Pelosi, and money.
 
2020-09-12 11:16:10 AM  

Chris Ween: Cancel all deals for military equipment for 2021 delivery.  Fund a stay at home stipend of $1200 per month per tax payer.  It pays for 3 months, and auto renews if no action is taken.  Anyone who makes over $100k pays it back next year in their taxes.

Do not put anything else in the bill that would be a poison pill like funding art or feasibilty studies on oil in Detroit sewers or the efficacy of skin ointments from Bigfoot.


The Pentagon needs to be running bake sales at this point. All actual funds go to citizens.
 
2020-09-12 11:16:59 AM  

dickfreckle: I'm behind on my rent but my landlord likes me. But how long will his decency last before he has to make a tough decision? There are no jobs in my fields right now (musician and bartender). That $1200 would give me some breathing room.

I didn't cause this virus situation but am sure as sh*t feeling all the consequences.

It's time for America to to look at the populace for a change, not just the wealthy. I'm 45 and have paid a ton of taxes and asked for nothing. Break me off? Please? I don't have the sort of gigs that you can do from home.


That's a shame.  Musicians are the people getting me through this.  Got material to share?  A tip jar?
 
2020-09-12 11:18:14 AM  

dickfreckle: I'm behind on my rent but my landlord likes me. But how long will his decency last before he has to make a tough decision? There are no jobs in my fields right now (musician and bartender). That $1200 would give me some breathing room.

I didn't cause this virus situation but am sure as sh*t feeling all the consequences.

It's time for America to to look at the populace for a change, not just the wealthy. I'm 45 and have paid a ton of taxes and asked for nothing. Break me off? Please? I don't have the sort of gigs that you can do from home.


just get a random job lots of places are hiring, target is near me they have a big sign out
 
2020-09-12 11:20:14 AM  

Glorious Golden Ass: dickfreckle: I'm behind on my rent but my landlord likes me. But how long will his decency last before he has to make a tough decision? There are no jobs in my fields right now (musician and bartender). That $1200 would give me some breathing room.

I didn't cause this virus situation but am sure as sh*t feeling all the consequences.

It's time for America to to look at the populace for a change, not just the wealthy. I'm 45 and have paid a ton of taxes and asked for nothing. Break me off? Please? I don't have the sort of gigs that you can do from home.

That's a shame.  Musicians are the people getting me through this.  Got material to share?  A tip jar?


As a musician, I could kiss you.  Way to be a good human.
 
2020-09-12 11:22:31 AM  

bloobeary: Missing from this story: any mention that republicans removed the $1200 checks from the stimulus bill, and it's the Democrats who want them put back.

The article's been carefully worded to be technically true, while giving the appearance that things are the other way around.


A Murdoch rag being economical with the truth to fuel  a right wing views and sow discord - say it isn't so...
 
2020-09-12 11:22:42 AM  
But her haircut!

/s

The extra money will be distributed in mid-October and prominently feature Trump's name and come with another error riddled bullshiat-gram.
 
2020-09-12 11:22:59 AM  

dickfreckle: It's time for America to to look at the populace for a change, not just the wealthy.


Helping the populace is socialism.  Tax cuts for the wealthy are patriotic
Trumper out front shoulda told ya.
 
2020-09-12 11:23:36 AM  

bloobeary: Missing from this story: any mention that republicans removed the $1200 checks from the stimulus bill, and it's the Democrats who want them put back.

The article's been carefully worded to be technically true, while giving the appearance that things are the other way around.


It's the Sun, it's a miracle Rupert's snot-rag didn't accuse Democrats of stealing money from orphans.
 
2020-09-12 11:24:44 AM  

dickfreckle: I'm behind on my rent but my landlord likes me. But how long will his decency last before he has to make a tough decision? There are no jobs in my fields right now (musician and bartender). That $1200 would give me some breathing room.


I'm a tour guide, so I feel your pain. Yesterday marked six months the company has been closed by order of the governor. Like you, I rely on substantial part on tips (which are excluded when calculating my unemployment benefit), and the job is highly seasonal - I've missed the most lucrative four months of the year, and if I'm lucky I'll be able to return to work just in time for the dead season. One could technically say that the additional $600 stipend meant that I was making more on unemployment than if I had been working, but only when compared to an annual average. The specific months I have been out of work represented a significant loss of income even with the additional benefits.

There are lots and lots of people in situations such as ours. We don't get noticed much and no one thinks about us when pondering the state of "the economy," but when we stop spending money (because we have none to spend), when we can't pay our rent or mortgages, when those on the margin become homeless, that will be much harder to ignore.
 
2020-09-12 11:25:48 AM  

Cache: dickfreckle: It's time for America to to look at the populace for a change, not just the wealthy.

Helping the populace is socialism.  Tax cuts for the wealthy are patriotic
Trumper out front shoulda told ya.


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2020-09-12 11:25:50 AM  
Point: Nancy Pelosi is negotiating on behalf of the Democrats in the House to get a bill passed that will do the most good for the majority of Americans.

Counterpoint: Leftist radical Nancy Pelosi got her hair cut in a San Francisco salon.
 
2020-09-12 11:33:18 AM  

ViolentEastCoastCity: Glorious Golden Ass: dickfreckle: I'm behind on my rent but my landlord likes me. But how long will his decency last before he has to make a tough decision? There are no jobs in my fields right now (musician and bartender). That $1200 would give me some breathing room.

I didn't cause this virus situation but am sure as sh*t feeling all the consequences.

It's time for America to to look at the populace for a change, not just the wealthy. I'm 45 and have paid a ton of taxes and asked for nothing. Break me off? Please? I don't have the sort of gigs that you can do from home.

That's a shame.  Musicians are the people getting me through this.  Got material to share?  A tip jar?

As a musician, I could kiss you.  Way to be a good human.


I'm lucky enough to have a good income during this time, even if it was reduced.  I've tried to spread it around to entertainers who have been sharing their content and others who I've enjoyed who are probably struggling now.  Just trying to spread the idea around to others.

Seriously though, share you content and see if anybody tips you.
 
2020-09-12 11:34:42 AM  

Chris Ween: Cancel all deals for military equipment for 2021 delivery. Fund a stay at home stipend of $1200 per month per tax payer.  It pays for 3 months, and auto renews if no action is taken.  Anyone who makes over $100k pays it back next year in their taxes.

Do not put anything else in the bill that would be a poison pill like funding art or feasibilty studies on oil in Detroit sewers or the efficacy of skin ointments from Bigfoot.


This is not necessary and will just cause more immediate layoffs of good paying engineering jobs.

The military budget is out of control, no doubt. But there are better ways to deal with reduction in military spending to help cover the cost of social support for those that need it without shocking the system further. No reductions will happen with the Republicans controlling the Senate and the White House and if I were someone on the edge of losing my apartment I would be assuming it is a done deal and no more relief funds may be showing up before the election. The odds of the Republicans agreeing to ANYTHING the dems want less than 2 months from one of the most divisive elections in us history are not good.

My guess the only way the Republicans agree to any more relief spending is dems agreeing to giving another round of massive tax cuts for large businesses and the wealthy. This may be the Republicans last chance for a decade to give the rich another pay raise using our tax dollars.

Trumps stupid farking withholding tax deferment plan is such a shiaty idea no one is implementing it and he is forcing the military to do it by making it mandatory and of course it only helps even that little bit if you are currently getting a paycheck.

I hope they get their shiat together to get more help to those of us that are unemployed by this mess, I hope you get to keep your apartment, your landlord sounds like a really good person, I really hope it works out ok for you.
 
2020-09-12 11:36:43 AM  
- Not eligible for unemployment.
- The first $1,200 got me a new computer and a subscription to Coursera.
- Both helped get me a new job (albeit just a 10 month contract).
- Another $1,200 would be a big help blunting the effects of the loss of freelancer business until the new contract job gets up to speed.
- Of course, the conservaturds will f**k that up because they are sociopaths, so that first $1,200 will likely be the last.

pfft...wtg 'murica
 
2020-09-12 11:39:02 AM  

vernonFL: Point: Nancy Pelosi is negotiating on behalf of the Democrats in the House to get a bill passed that will do the most good for the majority of Americans.

Counterpoint: Leftist radical Nancy Pelosi got her hair cut in a San Francisco salon.


Do you think that, at this point, a reasonably stern "harrumph" would be in order?
 
2020-09-12 11:39:41 AM  
The fact that they are squabbling over the $1,200 is embarrassing. We are the richest country in the world and are arguing over giving our struggling citizens the least amount of relief out of any first world country.
 
2020-09-12 11:41:06 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Chris Ween: Cancel all deals for military equipment for 2021 delivery.  Fund a stay at home stipend of $1200 per month per tax payer.  It pays for 3 months, and auto renews if no action is taken.  Anyone who makes over $100k pays it back next year in their taxes.

Do not put anything else in the bill that would be a poison pill like funding art or feasibilty studies on oil in Detroit sewers or the efficacy of skin ointments from Bigfoot.

The Pentagon needs to be running bake sales at this point. All actual funds go to citizens.


Good luck on that.  The military contractors spread out the jobs for their contracts across damn near every congressional district.  "Vote against this project and we fire 700 people in your district and blame you for it".
 
2020-09-12 11:42:20 AM  

litheandnubile: dickfreckle: I'm behind on my rent but my landlord likes me. But how long will his decency last before he has to make a tough decision? There are no jobs in my fields right now (musician and bartender). That $1200 would give me some breathing room.

I didn't cause this virus situation but am sure as sh*t feeling all the consequences.

It's time for America to to look at the populace for a change, not just the wealthy. I'm 45 and have paid a ton of taxes and asked for nothing. Break me off? Please? I don't have the sort of gigs that you can do from home.

just get a random job lots of places are hiring, target is near me they have a big sign out


Yep, break out your boot straps, all those tens of thousands of dollars you have been paying in payroll taxes your whole life, that money is to cover tax cuts for the 1%, not give out willy nilly to people that might need it when the people running the country botch an emergency response and end up creating the largest job lose and GDP contraction in US history. Go get a job at a Walmart greeter, it won't cover your rent, or you phone bill, but hey you will be able to buy food to take back to your tent under the overpass.
 
2020-09-12 11:45:19 AM  

dickfreckle: I'm behind on my rent but my landlord likes me. But how long will his decency last before he has to make a tough decision? There are no jobs in my fields right now (musician and bartender). That $1200 would give me some breathing room.

I didn't cause this virus situation but am sure as sh*t feeling all the consequences.

It's time for America to to look at the populace for a change, not just the wealthy. I'm 45 and have paid a ton of taxes and asked for nothing. Break me off? Please? I don't have the sort of gigs that you can do from home.


I hear ya, I'm a live audio guy in a performing arts center.
You've mentioned that you're from New Orleans.. a. Old friend of mine is John Fohl, who was Dr. John's guitarist for years.
I'm with you. Keep the faith. We're first to close and last to open.
 
2020-09-12 11:47:55 AM  

Obscure Login: The fact that they are squabbling over the $1,200 is embarrassing. We are the richest country in the world and are arguing over giving our struggling citizens the least amount of relief out of any first world country.


Hey now, you cant be handing out federal moneys all willy nilly. That money is earmarked for the 1% and mega corporations. I mean, how can anyone be expected to show up in Mallorca this season with last years yacht?
 
2020-09-12 11:49:43 AM  
I've been working through this entire thing.

However, it's in high infection risk situations and my employer never gave me a dime of hazard pay. It took them two months to start sending PPE (and it doesn't even fit; Mask's too small, dammit) -- If my partner didn't snag me a couple masks from her job back in February, I would have been exposed for sure.

So I'll happily take the stimulus to make up for the months and months of dangerous, obnoxious bullshiat I've had to put up with in retail spaces from people who seem determined to spread the virus just to spite everyone who didn't vote for Trump.
 
2020-09-12 11:50:19 AM  

Obscure Login: The fact that they are squabbling over the $1,200 is embarrassing. We are the richest country in the world and are arguing over giving our struggling citizens the least amount of relief out of any first world country.


Yeah, almost like this country is broken or something, huh?
 
2020-09-12 11:54:46 AM  
This horse-trading bullshiat needs to stop.

The bill needs to be plain and simple. Only 3 things need to be included:

- A new round of PPP
- Stimulus Checks
- Additional Unemployment benefits

That's it. No more or less. After that passes, THEN focus on more stuff.
 
2020-09-12 11:55:21 AM  

TaDu: It feels like America leans toward "rugged individualism and bring your own bootstraps" when the citizens are struggling, but "we're all in this together" when the nation needs manpower

wall street earnings and/or Coporate profits are in danger.  I hope your situation gets better soon.

FTFY
 
2020-09-12 11:56:20 AM  

sick_of_it: TaDu: It feels like America leans toward "rugged individualism and bring your own bootstraps" when the citizens are struggling, but "we're all in this together" when the nation needs manpower wall street earnings and/or Coporate profits are in danger.  I hope your situation gets better soon.

FTFY


Ho did I do this? I suck at posting
 
2020-09-12 11:56:30 AM  
At this point I had expected Desperate Donnie to be offering a $5k or even $10k stimulus check to be delivered Nov 3rd with his face on the check.

Economy is crap, majority of people do not care about how the stocks are doing when they see empty shelves either at home or at the store. Even Trump's Treasury Secretary says we need economic stimulus. It is what the country needs. With that said I fully expect most Republicans to look only towards themselves and their 2024 ambitions and to vote down and filibuster any stimulus package.

If there was justice in this world they would lose their election in 2020 or 2022. But by 2024 the sheep will give us President Cruz or President Tucker
 
2020-09-12 11:57:23 AM  
How many decades have rural areas had farm subsidies (for the good of everyone), and how would any temporary pandemic subsidies be any different?
 
2020-09-12 11:57:57 AM  

Someone Else's Alt: Chris Ween: Cancel all deals for military equipment for 2021 delivery. Fund a stay at home stipend of $1200 per month per tax payer.  It pays for 3 months, and auto renews if no action is taken.  Anyone who makes over $100k pays it back next year in their taxes.

Do not put anything else in the bill that would be a poison pill like funding art or feasibilty studies on oil in Detroit sewers or the efficacy of skin ointments from Bigfoot.

This is not necessary and will just cause more immediate layoffs of good paying engineering jobs.

The military budget is out of control, no doubt. But there are better ways to deal with reduction in military spending to help cover the cost of social support for those that need it without shocking the system further. No reductions will happen with the Republicans controlling the Senate and the White House and if I were someone on the edge of losing my apartment I would be assuming it is a done deal and no more relief funds may be showing up before the election. The odds of the Republicans agreeing to ANYTHING the dems want less than 2 months from one of the most divisive elections in us history are not good.

My guess the only way the Republicans agree to any more relief spending is dems agreeing to giving another round of massive tax cuts for large businesses and the wealthy. This may be the Republicans last chance for a decade to give the rich another pay raise using our tax dollars.

Trumps stupid farking withholding tax deferment plan is such a shiaty idea no one is implementing it and he is forcing the military to do it by making it mandatory and of course it only helps even that little bit if you are currently getting a paycheck.

I hope they get their shiat together to get more help to those of us that are unemployed by this mess, I hope you get to keep your apartment, your landlord sounds like a really good person, I really hope it works out ok for you.


When the military budget is actually decreased or frozen, then I will care about defense contractors and their employees...who would be eligible for my plan plus unemployment.
 
2020-09-12 12:00:26 PM  

ssa5: At this point I had expected Desperate Donnie to be offering a $5k or even $10k stimulus check to be delivered Nov 3rd with his face on the check.


That would be great!!

Then I could buy a suit, new shoes, get a haircut, take a cab to my polling place when I vote for Biden/Harris!
 
2020-09-12 12:04:58 PM  
I suppose if Trump can attempt "optimism" about COVID disappearing, Pelosi can be optimistic about Congress doing a thing before November.
 
2020-09-12 12:08:13 PM  

Chris Ween: Do not put anything else in the bill that would be a poison pill like funding art


That funding for the arts isn't just a liberal wishlist item

https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/news​/​independent-venues-danger-closing-covi​d-niva-995044/
 
2020-09-12 12:10:09 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: This horse-trading bullshiat needs to stop.

The bill needs to be plain and simple. Only 3 things need to be included:

- A new round of PPP
- Stimulus Checks
- Additional Unemployment benefits

That's it. No more or less. After that passes, THEN focus on more stuff.


When did you turn reasonable?
 
2020-09-12 12:12:27 PM  

Obscure Login: The fact that they are squabbling over the $1,200 is embarrassing. We are the richest country in the world and are arguing over giving our struggling citizens the least amount of relief out of any first world country.


Not like this is a new thing.
 
2020-09-12 12:20:48 PM  

Obscure Login: The fact that they are squabbling over the $1,200 is embarrassing. We are the richest country in the world and are arguing over giving our struggling citizens the least amount of relief out of any first world country.


We are the richest country in the world because we have a lot of rich people, and they know how not to pay taxes.  The last 2 Republican candidates for president both bragged about how good they were at hiding their money from the taxman.  We should all just be given nothing and like it.  In fact, things are too good.  The government should be injecting us with cancer.

Of course, we could discuss the politics of why this stimulus is not happening.  Mitch McConnell.  He knows Trump is going to lose in November.  He does not want to hand Biden a recovering economy or even a short-term sense of feel-good that can be carried forward.
 
2020-09-12 12:22:25 PM  

Snapper Carr: Chris Ween: Do not put anything else in the bill that would be a poison pill like funding art

That funding for the arts isn't just a liberal wishlist item

https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/news/​independent-venues-danger-closing-covi​d-niva-995044/


From what I've read, the live entertainment industry adds a trillion dollars to the economy.
 
2020-09-12 12:22:42 PM  
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2020-09-12 12:24:37 PM  

hammettman: Obscure Login: The fact that they are squabbling over the $1,200 is embarrassing. We are the richest country in the world and are arguing over giving our struggling citizens the least amount of relief out of any first world country.

We are the richest country in the world because we have a lot of rich people, and they know how not to pay taxes.  The last 2 Republican candidates for president both bragged about how good they were at hiding their money from the taxman.  We should all just be given nothing and like it.  In fact, things are too good.  The government should be injecting us with cancer.

Of course, we could discuss the politics of why this stimulus is not happening.  Mitch McConnell.  He knows Trump is going to lose in November.  He does not want to hand Biden a recovering economy or even a short-term sense of feel-good that can be carried forward.


You're a lot more confident than I am.  Biden can't buy coverage, the news is wall to wall "Trump is terrible!"  This feels very familiar
 
2020-09-12 12:25:19 PM  
Someone Else's Alt:

This is not necessary and will just cause more immediate layoffs of good paying engineering jobs.

If your job is building tanks that the army doesn't want then your job should have been axed over a decade ago.
 
2020-09-12 12:26:45 PM  
Meanwhile I've been watching the news from a region in europe that has about 200k population. They are debating whether the 3 billion euros(15k per capita) in support is enough or if it should be 4 billion @ 20k/ capita
 
2020-09-12 12:27:13 PM  

sick_of_it: Ho did I do this? I suck at posting


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2020-09-12 12:29:11 PM  
There's 129 million american households. If we were to just allocate the 500 billion from the Republicans "skinny bill" proposal that would be almost 4 grand per household. That alone would solve the majority of the coming eviction and foreclosure crisis. It would eliminate the need to create massive programs to deal with that crisis. It would give those people who are in a slightly better position the ability to pay down other debts easing the economic pain on those companies holding it.

Let's go further, for a third of the money that we spent on the last relief bill we found send everyone a 10k check. Between the 1200 and that that would mean that every american was nearly above the national poverty level for the year. Rent/foreclosure crisis gone, consumer debt crisis greatly abated, enough money to actually stimulate businesses and the government doesn't have to create massive programs.

This is a broad economic crisis with needs that drastically change for each person. Simplicity is our friend here and could save the economy, and do it at a much lower cost than any big plans.

1200.00 is a joke and an insult. Democrats need to get serious about this and demand significant direct payments.
 
2020-09-12 12:33:07 PM  
dickfreckle: Break me off? Please? I don't have the sort of gigs that you can do from home.


Kick me down is all I hear nowadays
Break me off you can say it in a thousand ways
Give me this, give me that as if you feel angry
Lyin' to kick it just to smoke up all my weed
Drinkin' my brew and gettin' drunker than me

sorry man.  i feel your pain.  hearing that phrase combined with your posting history made me think you would enjoy those lyrics. :P hopefully it gets better sooner rather than later.
 
2020-09-12 12:35:38 PM  

gameshowhost: Obscure Login: The fact that they are squabbling over the $1,200 is embarrassing. We are the richest country in the world and are arguing over giving our struggling citizens the least amount of relief out of any first world country.

Not like this is a new thing.


But, but, liability protection plan. That's something right?
 
2020-09-12 12:46:33 PM  

willwall: There's 129 million american households. If we were to just allocate the 500 billion from the Republicans "skinny bill" proposal that would be almost 4 grand per household. That alone would solve the majority of the coming eviction and foreclosure crisis. It would eliminate the need to create massive programs to deal with that crisis. It would give those people who are in a slightly better position the ability to pay down other debts easing the economic pain on those companies holding it.

Let's go further, for a third of the money that we spent on the last relief bill we found send everyone a 10k check. Between the 1200 and that that would mean that every american was nearly above the national poverty level for the year. Rent/foreclosure crisis gone, consumer debt crisis greatly abated, enough money to actually stimulate businesses and the government doesn't have to create massive programs.

This is a broad economic crisis with needs that drastically change for each person. Simplicity is our friend here and could save the economy, and do it at a much lower cost than any big plans.

1200.00 is a joke and an insult. Democrats need to get serious about this and demand significant direct payments.


You know, a long term UBI would be great. To squabble about this and say 1,200 is nothing is not helping. This is why we can't come to a decision.
 
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