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(The Drive)   Unexpected ways to shoot down a cruise missile? D) Howitzer   (thedrive.com) divider line
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2020-09-11 1:09:30 PM  
It's also interesting to note that the Air Force is looking to stop buying MQ-9s and pursue a replacement for its Reapers that would be more survivable in a higher-end conflict

In a REAL high end conflict, the satellites will be the first thing to go.  So good luck with that, we're all counting on you.
 
2020-09-11 1:46:24 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: It's also interesting to note that the Air Force is looking to stop buying MQ-9s and pursue a replacement for its Reapers that would be more survivable in a higher-end conflict

In a REAL high end conflict, the satellites will be the first thing to go.  So good luck with that, we're all counting on you.


Wasn't there some story about an experimental aircraft that stayed aloft for months, recently?
 
2020-09-11 3:21:43 PM  
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2020-09-11 3:24:12 PM  
D) Howitzer is the name of my Quad City D)'s tribute band
 
2020-09-11 3:24:13 PM  
So skynet?
 
2020-09-11 3:25:59 PM  

Ivo Shandor: [Fark user image 600x331] [View Full Size image _x_]

shakes tiny fists


Couldn't even be the first to make the joke within the first six comments.
 
2020-09-11 3:27:12 PM  
The next Ace Combat is going to be impossibly difficult.

How long until "Iran" hacks and steals one?
 
2020-09-11 3:29:11 PM  
I mean we've had guns that can shoot down incoming missiles for decades now.
 
2020-09-11 3:33:53 PM  
What more howitzer might look like:

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2020-09-11 3:34:05 PM  
AN/APG-83 Scalable Agile Beam Radars

Jesus, that's a lot of buzzwords. Can we crowdsource that in the cloud to achieve full Web 3.0 social media presence?
 
2020-09-11 3:34:13 PM  
Make howitzers from unrecyclable Pringles cans, solves two problems at one time.
 
2020-09-11 3:34:26 PM  
Unexpected Howitzer is the name of my .38 Special cover band.
 
2020-09-11 3:36:37 PM  
WHAR BRRRRRRRRAAAPP, WHAR?

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2020-09-11 3:36:48 PM  
Playing the BF2 Wake Island map a guy strafed my tank and then pulled a high-G burn to get away. It took my Howitzer round a few seconds to catch up to the bastard but when it hit his jet it was the most satisfying kill I ever scored in that game. Good times.
 
2020-09-11 3:44:38 PM  
Math!?

What does it do???

stupidinsaneclownposse.jpg
 
2020-09-11 3:46:14 PM  

Arkanaut: AN/APG-83 Scalable Agile Beam Radars

Jesus, that's a lot of buzzwords. Can we crowdsource that in the cloud to achieve full Web 3.0 social media presence?


Why not Radar McRadarface?
 
2020-09-11 3:50:21 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: It's also interesting to note that the Air Force is looking to stop buying MQ-9s and pursue a replacement for its Reapers that would be more survivable in a higher-end conflict

In a REAL high end conflict, the satellites will be the first thing to go.  So good luck with that, we're all counting on you.


This is where commercial space might be able to save the day.  Planet has something like 150 satellites in orbit right now- the resolution is nowhere near as good as a KH-12, but it's good enough to get photos of Chinese subs heading into their mountain bases or their spaceplane on the runway.  SpaceX can launch dozens of these on a single Falcon9

Meanwhile, Electron just launched a SA radar satellite from Capella that has 0.5m resolution, which is just absurd for a 100kg sat.  They've got 7 more waiting for launches, 2 on rideshare with a F9

At some point blowing all these out of orbit is going to make access to space impossible for everyone due to the debris, and China wants satellites too.

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2020-09-11 3:53:16 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Marcus Aurelius: It's also interesting to note that the Air Force is looking to stop buying MQ-9s and pursue a replacement for its Reapers that would be more survivable in a higher-end conflict

In a REAL high end conflict, the satellites will be the first thing to go.  So good luck with that, we're all counting on you.

This is where commercial space might be able to save the day.  Planet has something like 150 satellites in orbit right now- the resolution is nowhere near as good as a KH-12, but it's good enough to get photos of Chinese subs heading into their mountain bases or their spaceplane on the runway.  SpaceX can launch dozens of these on a single Falcon9

Meanwhile, Electron just launched a SA radar satellite from Capella that has 0.5m resolution, which is just absurd for a 100kg sat.  They've got 7 more waiting for launches, 2 on rideshare with a F9

At some point blowing all these out of orbit is going to make access to space impossible for everyone due to the debris, and China wants satellites too.

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They really need to erect a skull-shaped superstructure over that entrance.
 
2020-09-11 4:11:39 PM  
Next up..reviving old technology that isn't vulnerable to being hacked/lack of power or GPS guided..
And it will cost BILLIONS...AND BILLIONS....

/Horse Drawn Trebuchets made of titanium
 
2020-09-11 4:21:21 PM  

Bslim: Unexpected Howitzer is the name of my .38 Special cover band.


Nope, already the name of my Orange 9mm cover band.
 
2020-09-11 4:21:45 PM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: What more howitzer might look like:

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R.I.P.  Maurice Horowitz ('Moe Howard').

You and your compatriots may be out of fashion nowadays, but I still watch you, and laugh.  Life should have treated all of you better.

/Calling Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard...
 
2020-09-11 4:26:53 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Marcus Aurelius: It's also interesting to note that the Air Force is looking to stop buying MQ-9s and pursue a replacement for its Reapers that would be more survivable in a higher-end conflict

In a REAL high end conflict, the satellites will be the first thing to go.  So good luck with that, we're all counting on you.

This is where commercial space might be able to save the day.  Planet has something like 150 satellites in orbit right now- the resolution is nowhere near as good as a KH-12, but it's good enough to get photos of Chinese subs heading into their mountain bases or their spaceplane on the runway.  SpaceX can launch dozens of these on a single Falcon9

Meanwhile, Electron just launched a SA radar satellite from Capella that has 0.5m resolution, which is just absurd for a 100kg sat.  They've got 7 more waiting for launches, 2 on rideshare with a F9

At some point blowing all these out of orbit is going to make access to space impossible for everyone due to the debris, and China wants satellites too.

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There's an old saying that during WWII, we were building Liberty Ships faster than the Germans were building torpedoes.

Looks like a modern equivalent to that might be if we can build and launch new orbital eyes faster than the bad guys can build and deploy anti-satellite weapons.

Seems to be one possible way to change the calculus of the situation.

I wonder if the technology and math of the Sensor-Fuzed Weapon could be made applicable to an anti-satellite weapon?
 
2020-09-11 4:43:51 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: At some point blowing all these out of orbit is going to make access to space impossible for everyone due to the debris, and China wants satellites too.


China has a geosynchronous satellite with the capability of tracking surface ships.

https://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space​c​raft/display.action?id=2015-083A

Gaofen-4 is China's first geosynchronous orbit remote sensing satellite featuring a visible light and infra-red staring optical imager with a common optical system.

The optical resolution is better than 50 meters, while the infrared resolution is better than 400 meters. GF-4 can provide an imaging area of 7,000 km × 7,000 km with individual scene covering an area of 400 km × 400 km, and with capacity for high temporal resolution remote sensing monitor at minute-level. Launch mass is 4,600 kg. Gaofen-4 will be operational for 8 years.


It is parked at 105.5 degrees East, right over the southern tip of the South China Sea, and thus it affords coverage to Wake Island in the Pacific to the East, all of Australia and Tasmania, most of Madagascar, almost all of the Indian Ocean, the Persian Gulf, the Yellow Sea, all of the seas around Japan, and as far north as the northern tip of Sakhalin Island.

Places like Guam, which is a US base, and Palau, which recently asked to become one because of China, are in full view of the staring eye of Gaofen-4/


A Nimitz-class US aircraft carrier is 78 meters wide and 334 meters long.   A Ford-class carrier is about the same size.

Even with the lower resolution of infrared, the ships will stand out.   As will their wakes.

Interesting survey of the problem of ship detection with visual and infrared satellites that doesn't talk much about the military implications:  https://www.ncbi.nlm.n​ih.gov/pmc/artic​les/PMC5877374/
 
2020-09-11 4:45:13 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Pointy Tail of Satan: What more howitzer might look like:

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R.I.P.  Maurice Horowitz ('Moe Howard').

You and your compatriots may be out of fashion nowadays, but I still watch you, and laugh.  Life should have treated all of you better.

/Calling Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard...


The Marx Brothers were funnier.

Also Addams Family > The Munsters.
 
2020-09-11 4:51:02 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Glockenspiel Hero: Marcus Aurelius: It's also interesting to note that the Air Force is looking to stop buying MQ-9s and pursue a replacement for its Reapers that would be more survivable in a higher-end conflict

In a REAL high end conflict, the satellites will be the first thing to go.  So good luck with that, we're all counting on you.

This is where commercial space might be able to save the day.  Planet has something like 150 satellites in orbit right now- the resolution is nowhere near as good as a KH-12, but it's good enough to get photos of Chinese subs heading into their mountain bases or their spaceplane on the runway.  SpaceX can launch dozens of these on a single Falcon9

Meanwhile, Electron just launched a SA radar satellite from Capella that has 0.5m resolution, which is just absurd for a 100kg sat.  They've got 7 more waiting for launches, 2 on rideshare with a F9

At some point blowing all these out of orbit is going to make access to space impossible for everyone due to the debris, and China wants satellites too.

[Fark user image 600x450]

There's an old saying that during WWII, we were building Liberty Ships faster than the Germans were building torpedoes.

Looks like a modern equivalent to that might be if we can build and launch new orbital eyes faster than the bad guys can build and deploy anti-satellite weapons.

Seems to be one possible way to change the calculus of the situation.

I wonder if the technology and math of the Sensor-Fuzed Weapon could be made applicable to an anti-satellite weapon?

Maybe that is the reason Musk got the approval to launch thousands if LEO satellites?

 
2020-09-11 4:54:10 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Looks like a modern equivalent to that might be if we can build and launch new orbital eyes faster than the bad guys can build and deploy anti-satellite weapons.


That might be a problem if some of the parts we need to build them come from China, and we end up in a conflict with China, or in a conflict China doesn't want us to be in.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/some-us-​m​ilitary-parts-imported-from-china/

https://www.cnbc.com/2014/01/03/us-pu​t​-china-made-parts-in-f-35-fighter-prog​ram.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/​f​eds-raid-new-york-tech-firm-suspected-​selling-chinese-equipment-n1078191
 
2020-09-11 4:55:58 PM  
Meh, pretty sure Sgt. Rock could shoot one down with his .45.
 
2020-09-11 5:10:57 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Pointy Tail of Satan: What more howitzer might look like:

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R.I.P.  Maurice Horowitz ('Moe Howard').

You and your compatriots may be out of fashion nowadays, but I still watch you, and laugh.  Life should have treated all of you better.

/Calling Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard...


ARE THESE "The boys from Dover"?
 
2020-09-11 5:11:42 PM  

dittybopper: Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Pointy Tail of Satan: What more howitzer might look like:

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R.I.P.  Maurice Horowitz ('Moe Howard').

You and your compatriots may be out of fashion nowadays, but I still watch you, and laugh.  Life should have treated all of you better.

/Calling Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard...

The Marx Brothers were funnier.

Also Addams Family > The Munsters.


What's your point?  Of course.  Obviously the Addams Family was better than the Munsters.  (Tho' I will give the Munsters the edge when it came to their cars.)

But Marx Brothers were funnier than the Three Stooges?  Sure, but again, so what?  A good steak may be better than a good plate of spaghetti, but there's room in my taste palette for both.  It isn't an either/or situation.
 
2020-09-11 5:32:29 PM  

Theeng: I mean we've had guns that can shoot down incoming missiles for decades now.


Sure, but with a howitzer?  Not exactly designed for picking crap out of the airspace to say the least.  That part I'm impressed with.
 
2020-09-11 6:03:18 PM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Theeng: I mean we've had guns that can shoot down incoming missiles for decades now.

Sure, but with a howitzer?  Not exactly designed for picking crap out of the airspace to say the least.  That part I'm impressed with.


Agreed.  And howitzers are relatively plentiful, unsophisticated, and cheap.  Being able to turn a stock howitzer into something that can take down a cruise missile simply by loading the right ammo (and maybe adding a data link / targeting system) could be a game changer.
 
2020-09-11 6:07:41 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Theeng: I mean we've had guns that can shoot down incoming missiles for decades now.

Sure, but with a howitzer?  Not exactly designed for picking crap out of the airspace to say the least.  That part I'm impressed with.

Agreed.  And howitzers are relatively plentiful, unsophisticated, and cheap.  Being able to turn a stock howitzer into something that can take down a cruise missile simply by loading the right ammo (and maybe adding a data link / targeting system) could be a game changer.


I disagree - with the "could be" part.  Yeah that would, assuming the gun/ammo doesn't need fiddling with to the point of impracticability in the field.  That one tends to come up a lot - stuff that tests ok is... not so robust when they try to deploy it in real world conditions.
 
2020-09-11 6:11:21 PM  

Theeng: I mean we've had guns that can shoot down incoming missiles for decades now.


CIWS stands for Close In Weapons System - it's a last-ditch option, with a range (Phalanx) of a little over a mile. At that point, the body / debris of the missile's probably crashing into your ship / whatever at Mach 2 regardless. Better than a live missile hit, but still far from ideal.

The range on this system is 15 - 100 NM, depending on firing vehicle. That's night and farking day in terms of breathing room / space for the impacted missile to break up and fall to earth harmlessly.
 
2020-09-11 8:50:10 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Pointy Tail of Satan: What more howitzer might look like:

[Fark user image 300x377]

R.I.P.  Maurice Horowitz ('Moe Howard').

You and your compatriots may be out of fashion nowadays, but I still watch you, and laugh.  Life should have treated all of you better.

/Calling Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard...


WhyIoughtta...
 
2020-09-11 8:56:55 PM  

dittybopper: Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Pointy Tail of Satan: What more howitzer might look like:

[Fark user image 300x377]

R.I.P.  Maurice Horowitz ('Moe Howard').

You and your compatriots may be out of fashion nowadays, but I still watch you, and laugh.  Life should have treated all of you better.

/Calling Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard...

The Marx Brothers were funnier.

Also Addams Family > The Munsters.


Point 2; Morticia and Wednesday are both hotter than anything on the Munsters and I'll show myself to the chair over there re: Wednesday.

/Christina Ricci's fivehead
 
2020-09-11 9:22:55 PM  
D) Howitzer

"Howitzer? I hardly knew her!"

/Subby started it
 
2020-09-11 11:02:32 PM  
"That's video games, sci-fi awesome. You're not supposed to be able to shoot down a cruise missile with a tank. But, yes, you can, if the bullet is smart enough, and the bullet we use for that system is exceptionally smart."

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I used to bulls-eye cruise missiles 40 years ago in the arcade's tank simulator back home, they weren't much smarter than two megahertz.
 
2020-09-12 1:56:14 AM  

Arkanaut: AN/APG-83 Scalable Agile Beam Radars

Jesus, that's a lot of buzzwords. Can we crowdsource that in the cloud to achieve full Web 3.0 social media presence?


In no way did they want people to refer to it as SABR, or saber.  Nope.
 
2020-09-12 4:35:54 AM  

NotThatGuyAgain: Arkanaut: AN/APG-83 Scalable Agile Beam Radars

Jesus, that's a lot of buzzwords. Can we crowdsource that in the cloud to achieve full Web 3.0 social media presence?

In no way did they want people to refer to it as SABR, or saber.  Nope.


I wonder if they ever get stuck on a name.  "We have this cool new missile, but we just can't come up with a good acronym man... the Directional Interdiction Command Killer just isn't gonna work!
 
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