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2020-09-11 8:50:50 AM  
If your demographic had voted more in the primary you might have gotten someone other than Biden.  I'm not happy about him either, but the system is designed to give me candidates I don't like.
 
2020-09-11 8:56:15 AM  

EvilEgg: If your demographic had voted more in the primary you might have gotten someone other than Biden.  I'm not happy about him either, but the system is designed to give me candidates I don't like.


The system is designed not to cater to you personally, but instead to land upon upon a consensus choice that it acceptable to the most people?

That's just doesn't seem fair
 
2020-09-11 8:58:00 AM  
Yeah, I know some young dumb idiots like this.
My 22-year-old nephew in Texas for example, who says "I'm not voting. They're both the same. That's like asking me which poison I want to drink"

They are LITERALLY exact opposites, on every issue.
But whatever, you do you.
I'm almost dead anyway. You're the one who will have to live in this nightmare country another 60 years.
 
2020-09-11 9:09:21 AM  

Gubbo: EvilEgg: If your demographic had voted more in the primary you might have gotten someone other than Biden.  I'm not happy about him either, but the system is designed to give me candidates I don't like.

The system is designed not to cater to you personally, but instead to land upon upon a consensus choice that it acceptable to the most people?

That's just doesn't seem fair


I live in Connecticut.  I had zero choice in the candidate, by the time my vote was cast, it was fate accompli. My voice was not heard at all.  So yeah, it doesn't seem fair.
 
2020-09-11 9:20:39 AM  
You only get two choices in America, and always both suck in some way or the other.  Shut up and vote for Biden, you short sighted moronic twit.

/dnctfl
 
2020-09-11 9:22:13 AM  
EvilEgg:

That's why voting for Yeezy 2020 is so vital. Our democracy is at stake.
 
2020-09-11 9:22:13 AM  

EvilEgg: Gubbo: EvilEgg: If your demographic had voted more in the primary you might have gotten someone other than Biden.  I'm not happy about him either, but the system is designed to give me candidates I don't like.

The system is designed not to cater to you personally, but instead to land upon upon a consensus choice that it acceptable to the most people?

That's just doesn't seem fair

I live in Connecticut.  I had zero choice in the candidate, by the time my vote was cast, it was fate accompli. My voice was not heard at all.  So yeah, it doesn't seem fair.


What's the population of CT? How many would have supported the consensus candidate? Would it have been a majority.

Or should you and CT just be given extra power over and above everyone else
 
2020-09-11 9:23:05 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: You only get two choices in America, and always both suck in some way or the other.  Shut up and vote for Biden, you short sighted moronic twit.

/dnctfl


You get lots of choices. You also get to run for office yourself and be the change that you want to see in the world.
 
2020-09-11 9:26:06 AM  

Gubbo: EvilEgg: Gubbo: EvilEgg: If your demographic had voted more in the primary you might have gotten someone other than Biden.  I'm not happy about him either, but the system is designed to give me candidates I don't like.

The system is designed not to cater to you personally, but instead to land upon upon a consensus choice that it acceptable to the most people?

That's just doesn't seem fair

I live in Connecticut.  I had zero choice in the candidate, by the time my vote was cast, it was fate accompli. My voice was not heard at all.  So yeah, it doesn't seem fair.

What's the population of CT? How many would have supported the consensus candidate? Would it have been a majority.

Or should you and CT just be given extra power over and above everyone else


What's the population of NH and IN?  Perhaps they shouldn't have extra power over and above everyone else?
 
2020-09-11 9:28:51 AM  

EvilEgg: Gubbo: EvilEgg: If your demographic had voted more in the primary you might have gotten someone other than Biden.  I'm not happy about him either, but the system is designed to give me candidates I don't like.

The system is designed not to cater to you personally, but instead to land upon upon a consensus choice that it acceptable to the most people?

That's just doesn't seem fair

I live in Connecticut.  I had zero choice in the candidate, by the time my vote was cast, it was fate accompli. My voice was not heard at all.  So yeah, it doesn't seem fair.


Your voice was heard.

The response was no.
 
2020-09-11 9:33:00 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: EvilEgg: Gubbo: EvilEgg: If your demographic had voted more in the primary you might have gotten someone other than Biden.  I'm not happy about him either, but the system is designed to give me candidates I don't like.

The system is designed not to cater to you personally, but instead to land upon upon a consensus choice that it acceptable to the most people?

That's just doesn't seem fair

I live in Connecticut.  I had zero choice in the candidate, by the time my vote was cast, it was fate accompli. My voice was not heard at all.  So yeah, it doesn't seem fair.

Your voice was heard.

The response was no.


I think the response was shut up.
 
2020-09-11 9:35:39 AM  
God these kids make me want to puke
When I was their age I realized that any choice was always a compromise, so shiat the fark up about your sad little fee fee's and farking vote
 
2020-09-11 9:39:02 AM  

EvilEgg: Darth_Lukecash: EvilEgg: Gubbo: EvilEgg: If your demographic had voted more in the primary you might have gotten someone other than Biden.  I'm not happy about him either, but the system is designed to give me candidates I don't like.

The system is designed not to cater to you personally, but instead to land upon upon a consensus choice that it acceptable to the most people?

That's just doesn't seem fair

I live in Connecticut.  I had zero choice in the candidate, by the time my vote was cast, it was fate accompli. My voice was not heard at all.  So yeah, it doesn't seem fair.

Your voice was heard.

The response was no.

I think the response was shut up.


That is your reaction. Not the reality. Now you have a choice between two candidates. Which one is more likely to support your cause? Which one is more than likely to listen?

And is there enough congressional and senate votes to get it done?
 
2020-09-11 9:42:13 AM  

Walker: Yeah, I know some young dumb idiots like this.
My 22-year-old nephew in Texas for example, who says "I'm not voting. They're both the same. That's like asking me which poison I want to drink"

They are LITERALLY exact opposites, on every issue.
But whatever, you do you.
I'm almost dead anyway. You're the one who will have to live in this nightmare country another 60 years.


You lucky bastard
 
2020-09-11 9:43:52 AM  

EvilEgg: Gubbo: EvilEgg: Gubbo: EvilEgg: If your demographic had voted more in the primary you might have gotten someone other than Biden.  I'm not happy about him either, but the system is designed to give me candidates I don't like.

The system is designed not to cater to you personally, but instead to land upon upon a consensus choice that it acceptable to the most people?

That's just doesn't seem fair

I live in Connecticut.  I had zero choice in the candidate, by the time my vote was cast, it was fate accompli. My voice was not heard at all.  So yeah, it doesn't seem fair.

What's the population of CT? How many would have supported the consensus candidate? Would it have been a majority.

Or should you and CT just be given extra power over and above everyone else

What's the population of NH and IN?  Perhaps they shouldn't have extra power over and above everyone else?


Guessing you mean NH and IA?  How did Biden do there this year?
 
2020-09-11 9:44:06 AM  
I like the lady that wants to give Trump a "he tried hard and did the best he could", so im ma vote for him because at least 10,000,000 didn't die!

(Do not tell her about Canada at all)
 
2020-09-11 9:44:07 AM  
Idiots.
 
2020-09-11 9:44:35 AM  
I really don't think Trump should be in office, but Biden just doesn't excite me. So I'll probably not vote this year.
 
2020-09-11 9:44:50 AM  
Ranked choice voting would be ideal in most situations. Sure, Biden's old and I would have preferred he retired, but it's his choice if he's comfortable running and enough voters disagreed with me. Otherwise he's a fine, capable person. Let's get this done.
 
2020-09-11 9:45:17 AM  
>Ignore, alienate, and thwart the youth during primaries
>youth decides not to participate

"Looks like they are unreliable voters, better make sure to completely ignore them."
They could put M4A in the platform and have youth support come roaring back, if they wanted to. They would rather lose and be a powerless minority party than move left. Because they are fundamentally old, white conservatives satisfied with the status quo minus a few cursory changes.
 
2020-09-11 9:45:38 AM  
Don't come around whining later about the system and the boomers mistreating you then.
 
2020-09-11 9:46:04 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: EvilEgg: Darth_Lukecash: EvilEgg: Gubbo: EvilEgg: If your demographic had voted more in the primary you might have gotten someone other than Biden.  I'm not happy about him either, but the system is designed to give me candidates I don't like.

The system is designed not to cater to you personally, but instead to land upon upon a consensus choice that it acceptable to the most people?

That's just doesn't seem fair

I live in Connecticut.  I had zero choice in the candidate, by the time my vote was cast, it was fate accompli. My voice was not heard at all.  So yeah, it doesn't seem fair.

Your voice was heard.

The response was no.

I think the response was shut up.

That is your reaction. Not the reality. Now you have a choice between two candidates. Which one is more likely to support your cause? Which one is more than likely to listen?

And is there enough congressional and senate votes to get it done?


So a ballot with one name on it is a choice?

Yes, I have a choice now between a candidate I dislike and one I loath.  I going to vote for the guy I dislike because he is worlds better than the one I loath.  Given the choice between a glass of pickle juice and raw sewage, I'll always chose the pickle juice, but don't expect me to thank you for it.
 
2020-09-11 9:47:02 AM  

Gubbo: Marcus Aurelius: You only get two choices in America, and always both suck in some way or the other.  Shut up and vote for Biden, you short sighted moronic twit.

/dnctfl

You get lots of choices. You also get to run for office yourself and be the change that you want to see in the world.


With what money? Only to get primaried by the DNC in 2 years.

Marcus Aurelius: You only get two choices in America, and always both suck in some way or the other.  Shut up and vote for Biden, you short sighted moronic twit.

/dnctfl


Earn the votes.
 
2020-09-11 9:47:32 AM  

KarmicDisaster: Don't come around whining later about the system and the boomers mistreating you then.


They're right to whine. The system sucks and Boomers suck, too.
 
2020-09-11 9:47:35 AM  
Guess what folks, there is no such thing as an inspiring candidate any more. Anyone who has broad enough appeal to have a chance of winning will be targeted by such a smear campaign that they will end up looking tarnished.
 
2020-09-11 9:47:56 AM  
The reality is that person wasn't going to vote no matter who the candidates were.
 
2020-09-11 9:47:56 AM  

baka-san: God these kids make me want to puke
When I was their age I realized that any choice was always a compromise, so shiat the fark up about your sad little fee fee's and farking vote


Earn their votes.
 
2020-09-11 9:48:37 AM  
Jesus farking Christ the down ballot, for farkssake, ohmigidsmmit so much.
 
2020-09-11 9:48:45 AM  
Amanda Kilcrease, a 20-year-old college student, said, "It just feels like if Trump wins again, like, then - and I didn't vote, I would have guilt with that, too, that I didn't take a small action that could have had an opposite outcome. But I'm also not happy with the outcome of Biden.

Amanda, you're young.  You might not know this yet, but life is going to be a series of less than ideal choices.  Unless you want life to plow you over, you're going to have to make a choice between two things you don't want.  You'll have to weigh the pros and cons, make a decision, and be content that you did the best you could with the information available to you.

When you don't make decisions, those decisions get made for you and it's more likely to be less of what you want.  This applies to your life, health, family, and career.
 
2020-09-11 9:48:50 AM  
I've officially reached grumpy old man status because reading posts from all the young internet leftists who insist that Biden is literally the same as Trump make me want to tear what little hair I have out. Like, guys literally no one is saying Biden is going to fix everything. But it'll make it a hell of a lot easier to keep up the work we're doing in our communities, though. The defeatism is what scares me.
 
2020-09-11 9:49:04 AM  

KarmicDisaster: Don't come around whining later about the system and the boomers mistreating you then.


So if a party thwarts any chance of your most critical views being on the ballot, you should give them your vote anyways, because that will bring them to heel? Or you should vote for the other party, which has an agenda harmful for you?

You're trying to force a situation where someone is obligated to vote for a party that does not support the policies a person wants to vote for. At the end of the day, policies are the only reason TO vote.
 
2020-09-11 9:49:13 AM  

texanjeff: I like the lady that wants to give Trump a "he tried hard and did the best he could", so im ma vote for him because at least 10,000,000 didn't die!

(Do not tell her about Canada at all)


Literally from the same people who shout "ALL LIVES MATTER," with no sense of irony.
 
2020-09-11 9:49:14 AM  

baka-san: God these kids make me want to puke
When I was their age I realized that any choice was always a compromise, so shiat the fark up about your sad little fee fee's and farking vote


In 2000, I was still in my dumb college libertarian phase.  I voted for Harry Browne. I've had to live with that shame for years.
 
2020-09-11 9:49:16 AM  
This guy again.

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Grow up and vote.
 
2020-09-11 9:49:19 AM  
Every time I read articles like this it just makes me think, maybe we need move voting & drinking age to 30. Unbelievable are age of maturity keeps rising every generation. Now we have 40 & 50 year olds arguing on the internet about comic book movies. And we wonder how we got a Trump?
 
2020-09-11 9:49:32 AM  

Mechanicum: >Ignore, alienate, and thwart the youth during primaries
>youth decides not to participate

"Looks like they are unreliable voters, better make sure to completely ignore them."
They could put M4A in the platform and have youth support come roaring back, if they wanted to. They would rather lose and be a powerless minority party than move left. Because they are fundamentally old, white conservatives satisfied with the status quo minus a few cursory changes.


Oh, shut all the way the fark up with that.

There were at least 2-3 candidates who pushed for M4A in the primaries. The youth you're sooooo convinced are begging to vote for someone who backs M4A didn't even bother to show up and vote for them.
 
2020-09-11 9:49:39 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: EvilEgg: Darth_Lukecash: EvilEgg: Gubbo: EvilEgg: If your demographic had voted more in the primary you might have gotten someone other than Biden.  I'm not happy about him either, but the system is designed to give me candidates I don't like.

The system is designed not to cater to you personally, but instead to land upon upon a consensus choice that it acceptable to the most people?

That's just doesn't seem fair

I live in Connecticut.  I had zero choice in the candidate, by the time my vote was cast, it was fate accompli. My voice was not heard at all.  So yeah, it doesn't seem fair.

Your voice was heard.

The response was no.

I think the response was shut up.

That is your reaction. Not the reality. Now you have a choice between two candidates. Which one is more likely to support your cause? Which one is more than likely to listen?

And is there enough congressional and senate votes to get it done?


No, that was absolutely the reality. The choice was made before most of the country could vote in the primary, and the 2nd- and 4th-place candidates were shoved out to prop up the 5th-place candidate, because reasons.

It's undemocratic, and people are right to be pissed that they were robbed of a voice.
 
2020-09-11 9:50:08 AM  
It's been 3.5 years of Trump. If you're still undecided, you're worse than a MAGAt. At least some of them are brainwashed. Undecideds have no excuse other than being terrible people.
 
2020-09-11 9:50:10 AM  
Of course! If you don't vote then a magical perfect candidate will get the presidency! Genius!
 
2020-09-11 9:50:15 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: EvilEgg: Darth_Lukecash: EvilEgg: Gubbo: EvilEgg:

That is your reaction. Not the reality. Now you have a choice between two candidates. Which one is more likely to support your cause? Which one is more than likely to listen?

And is there enough congressional and senate votes to get it done?


Maybe I'm reading way too much into the complaint here, but it seems if your primary is so late in the schedule that everyone but one person has dropped out by the time you get to vote, you aren't really being given options. Plus, some systems don't allow write-ins. A fair system would be to have everyone vote in the primary on the same day, but that supposedly defeats the purpose of a primary, which is intended to be a long and grueling slog where candidates fight tooth and claw to secure the nomination.
 
2020-09-11 9:50:55 AM  
For as stupid as Trumpers are, they at least realize it goes way beyond the Presidency.

You vote for Biden and you might get, say, someone who believes in education running the Dept. Of Ed. You might get someone interested in the environment heading up that department. You could have an AG interested in enforcing the law against wealthy, powerful criminals. You might have Supreme Court justices that believe in the Constitution.

You don't vote and get Trump? You get more people in charge who want America to fail so they can scoop up all the wreckage.
 
2020-09-11 9:51:49 AM  

bluejeansonfire: Darth_Lukecash: EvilEgg: Darth_Lukecash: EvilEgg: Gubbo: EvilEgg: If your demographic had voted more in the primary you might have gotten someone other than Biden.  I'm not happy about him either, but the system is designed to give me candidates I don't like.

The system is designed not to cater to you personally, but instead to land upon upon a consensus choice that it acceptable to the most people?

That's just doesn't seem fair

I live in Connecticut.  I had zero choice in the candidate, by the time my vote was cast, it was fate accompli. My voice was not heard at all.  So yeah, it doesn't seem fair.

Your voice was heard.

The response was no.

I think the response was shut up.

That is your reaction. Not the reality. Now you have a choice between two candidates. Which one is more likely to support your cause? Which one is more than likely to listen?

And is there enough congressional and senate votes to get it done?

No, that was absolutely the reality. The choice was made before most of the country could vote in the primary, and the 2nd- and 4th-place candidates were shoved out to prop up the 5th-place candidate, because reasons.

It's undemocratic, and people are right to be pissed that they were robbed of a voice.


lol so...deep state at it again?
 
2020-09-11 9:52:29 AM  
On my 18th birthday, the first thing I did was drive to the courthouse and fill out my voter reg forms.

/had beer later
//18 was legal back then
///been voting and drinking regularly since then
 
2020-09-11 9:53:38 AM  

Walker: Yeah, I know some young dumb idiots like this.
My 22-year-old nephew in Texas for example, who says "I'm not voting. They're both the same. That's like asking me which poison I want to drink"

They are LITERALLY exact opposites, on every issue.
But whatever, you do you.
I'm almost dead anyway. You're the one who will have to live in this nightmare country another 60 years.


I'm not sure about exact opposites - but I've posted before that I have one long term issue (climate change) and one short term issue (Covid) that completely push everything else aside.

On those two issues, it's clearly not "evil vs eviler," it's "pretty good vs eviler."
 
2020-09-11 9:53:39 AM  

Mechanicum: KarmicDisaster: Don't come around whining later about the system and the boomers mistreating you then.

So if a party thwarts any chance of your most critical views being on the ballot, you should give them your vote anyways, because that will bring them to heel? Or you should vote for the other party, which has an agenda harmful for you?

You're trying to force a situation where someone is obligated to vote for a party that does not support the policies a person wants to vote for. At the end of the day, policies are the only reason TO vote.


The next president will appoint 2 (and if Trump wins 3) Supreme Court justices. That will determine for a generation whether things like Medicare 4 All and Student Loan forgiveness legislation survives an inevitable court challenge.

"Progressives" love to talk down about conservatives, but at least they understand the farking concept of "playing the long game."

It's the Supreme Court, stupid.
 
2020-09-11 9:55:13 AM  
"We'll do our part. We'll do our part when it comes down to it," Mike Sever said. (He will vote for Trump)

"First off, has there ever been a pandemic to take over the world like this in such a short period of time? I think that Trump did the best that he could, considering the circumstances," Amy Taylor, a fitness instructor, told Detrow.

Kevin Wood told him, "I'm an independent, but this year, it's a clear choice. Gotta go one way, so we're gonna go the Biden way."

"He's my law-and-order president. That's who he is. And the other ones are for chaos and no order," Ralph Ruggiero, who was carrying a "Liberty or Death" sign, told Jenkins.

David Ashcroft, a 21-year-old waiter, appeared repelled by both candidates. "It kind of makes me sick to my stomach just knowing that I put one of these people in office," he told Kocherga. "The best thing for me is just to not vote."

Amanda Kilcrease, a 20-year-old college student, said, "It just feels like if Trump wins again, like, then - and I didn't vote, I would have guilt with that, too, that I didn't take a small action that could have had an opposite outcome. But I'm also not happy with the outcome of Biden. I just want to stress that."

Jan Kaminski, one voter who didn't say which way she was planning to vote, said she watched the conventions and seemed more swayed by the GOP message.

"He just wants people to riot. He instills riots and discord," said Karen Cayman, who lives in an area north of Milwaukee.

Lauren Cross, involved in the Kenosha protests, told Silver about those on the streets: "I think, like, all the people out here are voting against Trump in some capacity."

Todd Gardner said that there still is a lot of support for Trump, but that he's prepared to back "anybody but Donald Trump."

"The Republican Party is kind of speaking to my heart more than the Democrats so I think I'm going to have to vote Trump this time," Gretchen said.

Sheri Holman, a Michigan union member who is among a bloc in the state who abandoned Democrats for Trump in 2016, is sticking with the president, even though she admits she doesn't like him personally.


Headline: David Ashcroft of Texas is representative of all young people and obviously the worst person they interviewed in this article.

Well done subs.  Hope it was worth all that glory and recognition.
 
2020-09-11 9:55:15 AM  

TommyDeuce: EvilEgg: Gubbo: EvilEgg: Gubbo: EvilEgg: If your demographic had voted more in the primary you might have gotten someone other than Biden.  I'm not happy about him either, but the system is designed to give me candidates I don't like.

The system is designed not to cater to you personally, but instead to land upon upon a consensus choice that it acceptable to the most people?

That's just doesn't seem fair

I live in Connecticut.  I had zero choice in the candidate, by the time my vote was cast, it was fate accompli. My voice was not heard at all.  So yeah, it doesn't seem fair.

What's the population of CT? How many would have supported the consensus candidate? Would it have been a majority.

Or should you and CT just be given extra power over and above everyone else

What's the population of NH and IN?  Perhaps they shouldn't have extra power over and above everyone else?

Guessing you mean NH and IA?  How did Biden do there this year?


In Iowa Biden came in fourth with 15.8% of the vote, and in New Hampshire Biden came in fifth with 8.4% of the vote.
 
2020-09-11 9:55:18 AM  
The responses in this thread are especially cringe-inducing in juxtaposition to yesterday's thread full of people unironically saying we should stop the Green Party from being on the ballot.

"F*cking vote or else" coming from people wanting to actually subvert democracy.

You know, in 2016, I was still very supportive of Democrats, and I was the guy who went around shaming my politically-apathetic friends into voting, even the ones rightfully complaining that both options sucked.

Now, this year, I'm not doing that. I get why people don't want to participate in this system now.

Politics is earning votes. Nobody is owed votes. If victory is so important, then earn the votes.

The Green Party is there every election. The spite-voters are there every election. The non-voters are there every election. If you still lose in the face of all these, what you ran was a losing campaign and a losing candidate.

Earn. The. Votes.
 
Xai [TotalFark]
2020-09-11 9:55:22 AM  
Not voting is a vote for trump.
 
2020-09-11 9:55:33 AM  
Anecdotal evidence is a kind of evidence.
 
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