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(Twitter)   Trump compares his downplaying the coronavirus to Churchill's actions during WWII. You remember when Churchill famously said, "Turn off those air raid sirens; we don't want people to panic," right?   (twitter.com) divider line
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2020-09-11 7:26:26 AM  
48 votes:
Churchill never kissed Stalin's ass.
 
2020-09-11 8:27:24 AM  
38 votes:
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2020-09-11 8:14:30 AM  
36 votes:
Historians make those comparisons. When you say it about yourself it's pathetic.
 
2020-09-11 7:21:58 AM  
36 votes:
There will be a quarter million - MILLION - Americans dead by election. Maybe more. Vote accordingly.
 
2020-09-11 8:27:20 AM  
33 votes:
Ahh yes, I remember when Churchill told them to turn the lights on and open back up the economy because that was more important then a few people dying from bombs.
 
2020-09-11 8:23:32 AM  
33 votes:
It's only 15 or so Messerschmitts, soon it will be zero. All the reports of explosions and deaths are a hoax.
 
2020-09-11 8:27:37 AM  
27 votes:
If Churchill said "The Germans aren't bombing us - the media and my political opponents just want you to believe that so I'll look bad" then, when the bodies started piling up, said "the bombing will stop soon, just like that", then yeah, they'd be the same.
 
2020-09-11 8:25:30 AM  
23 votes:
Trump says it'll be gone like a miracle

Churchill said he had nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat.
 
2020-09-11 7:52:40 AM  
23 votes:

Frederick: Original: Trump compares his ... to Churchill

He so wants to be a war-time president...


I mean a race war is a kind of a war, right?
 
2020-09-11 8:27:52 AM  
18 votes:
I'd compare it to the old fire-in-a-theater situation.

So imagining I'm a theater manager, and during a show I discover a fire has started in the building.  I obviously don't want to run around screaming "FIRE! FIRE! FORGET THE WOMAN AND CHILDREN, GET OUT OR WE'RE DOOMED! DOOOOOOoooooOOOOMED!" - that could incite a panic.

I also don't want to interrupt the show and calmly say something like "Ladies and Gentlemen, we apologize for the interruption, but we need everyone to please exit the theater through the marked exits in an orderly fashion immediately as there is a concern about the building. Please follow our ushers out now, we will explain outside." - that could obviously incite a much large panic.

No, what I want to do is ignore it. When people start saying they smell or see smoke, I tell them it's just a new special effect and not to worry, just keep watching the show, it will just magically disappear. If someone see the flames and wants to use a fire extinguisher, I'll yell at them about how awful the stuff that comes out of extinguishers is. I'll try to humiliate anyone that gets up and tries to leave on their own. I will not allow any of my employees to call the fire department.

That is how you make sure people don't panic.
That is leadership.
 
2020-09-11 8:24:38 AM  
17 votes:
More like Churchill the cat in Pet Semetary.
"Sometimes, dead is better."
 
2020-09-11 8:30:51 AM  
14 votes:
We're working on a secret weapon that will defeat the Germans immediately. It will be ready right before the election and once I am re-elected I will use it.
 
2020-09-11 8:28:25 AM  
13 votes:
Churchill didn't tell them to turn off the AirRaid sirens, so I don't know what Cheetolini's point


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These people wouldn't be where they were if not for AirRaid Sirens
 
2020-09-11 8:28:48 AM  
11 votes:
Ahh yes, i remember his famous speech....

"Never was so much owed by so many to losers and suckers."
 
2020-09-11 7:27:54 AM  
10 votes:

Original: Trump compares his ... to Churchill


He so wants to be a war-time president...
 
2020-09-11 8:32:16 AM  
9 votes:
he's just like a fatter, much dumber, inarticulate, ineffective, incompetent, incontinent, irresponsible, and extremely dishonest Churchill.
 
2020-09-11 8:33:56 AM  
8 votes:
Churchill didn't leave the lights on, and yell at people who turned their lights off.
 
2020-09-11 8:38:14 AM  
7 votes:
Keeping people calm is important, but so is talking straight to people.  Fox News tried to say "...but Obama" because Obama tweeted in March that shiat was serious, but ended the tweet with "remain calm".

The problem isn't that Trump wanted to keep people calm.  It's that he intentionally misinformed people and refused to even take government action to address it.
 
2020-09-11 8:31:17 AM  
7 votes:
Churchill didnt deny the Blitz was occurring and didnt tell his citizens to ignore the bombed out buildings that used to be their neighbors' homes.
 
2020-09-11 8:28:50 AM  
7 votes:
He has no business comparing himself to Winston Churchill. W.C. learned from his mistakes, understood what was needed in a time of crisis and was resolute in a time of peril.
 
2020-09-11 9:56:00 AM  
5 votes:
"We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."-Winston Churchill

"A massive Disinformation Campaign is going on by the Democrats, their partner, the Fake News Media, & Big Tech. They create false stories and then push them like has never been done before, even beyond the 2016 Campaign. It imperils our Country, and must stop now. Victory 2020!"-Donald "Crying Pussbag" Trump

Yeah, totally the same kind of person lol
 
2020-09-11 9:22:01 AM  
5 votes:
Impeached President Trump gave a reporter shiat for wearing a mask this week,  repeatedly asking him to take it off, but the reporter stood firm and refused. That's how much Trump wants to pretend Covid-19 doesn't exist.

fark him; I hope he lives forever while in constant pain. Barring that, a painful death is fine by me.

// Same thing for everyone who voted for him.
 
2020-09-11 8:55:55 AM  
5 votes:
The moron brigade doesn't realize the difference. In one of the examples, it was an action being foisted upon them by an outside enemy, and calmness was a necessary strategy to buy time for the means of production to ramp up toward a counter attack.

In the other, many of us were harboring the enemy and denial of that very fact... no, not just denial, but active promotion of denial, led to it getting worse. Time and the means of production (in most cases) worked against us.
 
2020-09-11 8:35:37 AM  
5 votes:
I'm seeing Trumpers comparing this to FDR's "Fireside Chats", also....bullshiat.

An act of war is something we cannot really control. We simply have to try to mitigate the damage and keep spirits up for morale sake.

We CAN control our response to a viral outbreak and subsequent pandemic.

Other countries had leaders who told the truth from the start and the people didn't panic, they responded, and as a result had far fewer deaths.

Trump blew it, pure and simple, and the excuses his apologists are making for him is just gross and disgusting.
 
2020-09-11 8:30:37 AM  
5 votes:
What Trump did is more akin to when FDR said, "The only thing we have to fear is the information that's necessary to properly respond to a crisis." At least that is what I think FDR said; I may have gotten that quote slightly wrong.
 
2020-09-11 8:27:32 AM  
5 votes:
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2020-09-11 8:25:38 AM  
5 votes:
People come up to me all the time with tears in their eyes and say 'sir, Winston Churchill is looking down from heaven smiling today'.

He probably shares many traits with Churchill, such as racial views, but leadership isn't one of them.
 
2020-09-11 9:30:20 AM  
4 votes:
Churchill was racist as all hell. He was a hero, but still racist as all hell. So the Flim Flam Führer does have something in common with him.
 
2020-09-11 9:26:09 AM  
4 votes:

FlashHarry: There will be a quarter million - MILLION - Americans dead by election. Maybe more. Vote accordingly.


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I had to go see how many people actually died in the Blitz.

Trump is like 6 Churchills. So great.
 
2020-09-11 9:13:54 AM  
4 votes:
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2020-09-11 8:45:04 AM  
4 votes:

NeoCortex42: Keeping people calm is important, but so is talking straight to people.  Fox News tried to say "...but Obama" because Obama tweeted in March that shiat was serious, but ended the tweet with "remain calm".

The problem isn't that Trump wanted to keep people calm.  It's that he intentionally misinformed people and refused to even take government action to address it.


You could have shortened that to "The problem is Trump." That is pretty much universally true, although "the problem is McConnell" and the "The problem is conservatives" are also nearly universally true.
 
2020-09-11 8:44:47 AM  
4 votes:

Jake Havechek: Churchill never kissed Stalin's ass.


Well no, because Churchill knew they'd be the enemy once the Nazis were taken care of. And he wasn't wrong because the Cold War may not have been overly violent by its main participants, but they dragged a lot of other countries down because of it.
 
2020-09-11 8:37:56 AM  
4 votes:
Remember when Churchill called his Generals losers?
 
2020-09-11 8:31:00 AM  
4 votes:
Worth noting that a real Nazi is lying about how to respond to Nazis.
 
2020-09-11 10:14:07 AM  
3 votes:

Alien Robot: Derek Force: Ahh yes, I remember when Churchill told them to turn the lights on and open back up the economy because that was more important then a few people dying from bombs.

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IMPORTANT NOTE: The "Keep Calm & Carry On" posters were printed for a wartime messaging campaign that was never executed. Those posters were intended for display only if widespread bombing of Britain were to decimate the populace & destroy morale. They were never publicly displayed during the war.
 
2020-09-11 9:17:46 AM  
3 votes:

NeoCortex42: Keeping people calm is important, but so is talking straight to people.  Fox News tried to say "...but Obama" because Obama tweeted in March that shiat was serious, but ended the tweet with "remain calm".

The problem isn't that Trump wanted to keep people calm.  It's that he intentionally misinformed people and refused to even take government action to address it.


I remember people voting for Trump for the reason, "He tells it like it is." Mmmnnnooope.
 
2020-09-11 9:15:59 AM  
3 votes:
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2020-09-11 9:10:38 AM  
3 votes:

FarkaDark: He has no business comparing himself to Winston Churchill. W.C. learned from his mistakes, understood what was needed in a time of crisis and was resolute in a time of peril.


I wouldn't even compare to a WC.

Even a toilet is useful.
 
2020-09-11 8:48:51 AM  
3 votes:
Australian here. We actually agree that Trump shares elements of Churchill's competency. I mean his incompetency. We have a public holiday each year to honour it.

https://www.history.com/news/winston-​c​hurchills-world-war-disaster

So yeah, Trump's handling of pretty well everything and Churchill farking up an entire battle in WW1 share some similarities.
 
2020-09-11 8:46:55 AM  
3 votes:

mofa: The White House also maintained that tear-gassing protesters and clergy in Black Lives Matter Plaza on June 1 was Churchillian. Apparently, raping 13 year old girls and putting children in cages to die while begging for water are also rather Churchillian. Basically, anything the Manchurian Cantaloupe does is Churchillian.

// I'm fun at parties.


... I mean, if you look at how Churchill treated protests/attempts at sovereignty in India...
 
2020-09-11 8:37:31 AM  
3 votes:

FlashHarry: There will be a quarter million - MILLION - Americans dead by election. Maybe more. Vote accordingly.


He'll pass up the body count from the Earth-Minbari war.
 
2020-09-11 8:36:12 AM  
3 votes:
"People are saying that's not even the Luftwaffe, that it's just normal air traffic for this time of year, so I don't know. It could be anything, right? I will say this, if we didn't have so many anti-aircraft guns we might not be having this problem - if you can call it that."
 
2020-09-11 8:34:09 AM  
3 votes:
I mean, he might have a point about the V-2 attacks, which were called "gas main explosions" and covered up for the first couple months, but I don't think he's got the historical knowledge base to understand that.

And Churchill was extremely clear about the risks of the Battle of Britain/Blitz, and didn't sugarcoat anything, and I would in fact argue that he overdramatized the risks to keep morale up.
 
2020-09-11 8:33:03 AM  
3 votes:
The White House also maintained that tear-gassing protesters and clergy in Black Lives Matter Plaza on June 1 was Churchillian. Apparently, raping 13 year old girls and putting children in cages to die while begging for water are also rather Churchillian. Basically, anything the Manchurian Cantaloupe does is Churchillian.

// I'm fun at parties.
 
2020-09-11 8:27:54 AM  
3 votes:

qorkfiend: It's only 15 or so Messerschmitts, soon it will be zero. All the reports of explosions and deaths are a hoax.


I'm stopped all incoming bombing raids from Iceland. The Labour Party said it was xenophobic, but things would have been a lot worse if I hadn't done it.
 
2020-09-11 12:59:38 PM  
2 votes:

Aussie_As: Australian here. We actually agree that Trump shares elements of Churchill's competency. I mean his incompetency. We have a public holiday each year to honour it.

https://www.history.com/news/winston-c​hurchills-world-war-disaster

So yeah, Trump's handling of pretty well everything and Churchill farking up an entire battle in WW1 share some similarities.


Very few actually. After farking up Gallipoli, Churchhill resigned his position and volunteered for the trenches. He appears to of been wanting to at least except some responsibility for failure and more importantly to learn from it. A lot of his reluctance to launch a cross channel invasion came from his understanding of what could go wrong in a large amphibious operation.
 
2020-09-11 9:40:56 AM  
2 votes:
You can tell Trump is lying about his lies. And it's really easy:

Trump hasn't changed anything he says even after he's been busted for knowing better.

He wants division. He wants chaos. He wants Us v Them.

So, he didn't want No Panic. He wanted turmoil.
 
2020-09-11 9:10:28 AM  
2 votes:
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2020-09-11 9:05:28 AM  
2 votes:
My house is on fire, but I'm not going to tell the kids upstairs because I don't want them to panic.
 
2020-09-11 8:55:02 AM  
2 votes:

Jake Havechek: Churchill never kissed Stalin's ass.


Or exchanged love letters.
 
2020-09-11 8:51:46 AM  
2 votes:
If I was going to make a comparison, I'd say he has more in common with Neville Chamberlain than Churchill. He didn't want to rock the boat so he promised "peace for our time," not a proper solution, which let the problem get worse.
 
2020-09-11 8:43:49 AM  
2 votes:
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Also not Churchill
 
2020-09-11 8:41:42 AM  
2 votes:
Hey, Scalpatine, Churchill only managed to get 46,000 British and French killed at Gallipoli.  So you've definitely beat him there.
 
2020-09-11 8:35:28 AM  
2 votes:
'Our fight is hard. It will also be long ' Winston Churchill, 18 March 1931
Something no Trump can claim
 
2020-09-11 3:13:50 PM  
1 vote:
"..But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science. Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties,..." - Winston Churchill

More eloquent and timely to the task at hand than anything  DJT has ever said.
 
2020-09-11 3:11:04 PM  
1 vote:
The Blitz! The Blitz! This is the latest Labour HOAX!

They say in April the heat, it cause the bombing to stop.

One day the Germans will just go away, like a miracle!
 
2020-09-11 1:48:38 PM  
1 vote:

CheatCommando: BigNumber12: CheatCommando: CheatCommando: Aussie_As: Australian here. We actually agree that Trump shares elements of Churchill's competency. I mean his incompetency. We have a public holiday each year to honour it.

https://www.history.com/news/winston-c​hurchills-world-war-disaster

So yeah, Trump's handling of pretty well everything and Churchill farking up an entire battle in WW1 share some similarities.

Very few actually. After farking up Gallipoli, Churchhill resigned his position and volunteered for the trenches. He appears to of been wanting to at least except some responsibility for failure and more importantly to learn from it. A lot of his reluctance to launch a cross channel invasion came from his understanding of what could go wrong in a large amphibious operation.

Yay auto correct and Fark's unwillingness to have an edit function Unlike more advanced software that's been updated since 1999.

Most of us are against an Edit function. Why give morons the ability to go back and revise history after they've been mocked relentlessly for a post?

A lot of systems get around that by having an edit log that lets you see the edits that were made. But they were written by competent programmers, not drunk college kids.


Drunk college kids will work for alcohol, and Drew's site revenues are down dramatically these days.
 
2020-09-11 1:06:00 PM  
1 vote:

BigNumber12: CheatCommando: CheatCommando: Aussie_As: Australian here. We actually agree that Trump shares elements of Churchill's competency. I mean his incompetency. We have a public holiday each year to honour it.

https://www.history.com/news/winston-c​hurchills-world-war-disaster

So yeah, Trump's handling of pretty well everything and Churchill farking up an entire battle in WW1 share some similarities.

Very few actually. After farking up Gallipoli, Churchhill resigned his position and volunteered for the trenches. He appears to of been wanting to at least except some responsibility for failure and more importantly to learn from it. A lot of his reluctance to launch a cross channel invasion came from his understanding of what could go wrong in a large amphibious operation.

Yay auto correct and Fark's unwillingness to have an edit function Unlike more advanced software that's been updated since 1999.

Most of us are against an Edit function. Why give morons the ability to go back and revise history after they've been mocked relentlessly for a post?


A lot of systems get around that by having an edit log that lets you see the edits that were made. But they were written by competent programmers, not drunk college kids.
 
2020-09-11 12:40:12 PM  
1 vote:

OdradekRex: [Fark user image image 300x168]
Also not Churchill


Also a far better and more competent man than Trump could dream of being.

His "peace in our time" line was hopeful but he knew it was almost certainly bullshiat. He di believe that the Anglo-French militaries would benefit more from a couple more years build up than the Germans would. And he scaled up military budgets to prepare for war as a result. Remember, he wasn't removed from the office because of the war starting, but because of the disastrous Norwegian campaign.

He also knew when he was done and worked for a transition to ensure stability and an effective continuation of government and the war effort. He continued to work in the government as a sort of deputy to Churchill, chairing war cabinet meetings and advising the PM as well as showing up his support among MPs that did not trust Churchill (probably for good reason considering his history). And less than three weeks after he stopped being the PM, he was the critical voice that lead the British government to back Churchill and pursue the war effort rather than following Halifax (who was previously Chamberlain's choice of a successor) and sue for peace. One word from Chamberlain could have collapsed the Churchill government and allowed Hitler to win WWII in May 1940, but he stood by Churchill and it took five long years to see Hitler destroyed.

I won't say that Chamberlain didn't screw up, but he deserves a lot more credit than he gets.

Also can you imagine Trump saying anything like this upon being forced to resign by his own party:

"For the hour has now come when we are to be put to the test, as the innocent people of Holland, Belgium, and France are being tested already. And you and I must rally behind our new leader, and with our united strength, and with unshakable courage fight, and work until this wild beast, which has sprung out of his lair upon us, has been finally disarmed and overthrown."
 
2020-09-11 10:09:32 AM  
1 vote:

FlashHarry: There will be a quarter million - MILLION - Americans dead by election. Maybe more. Vote accordingly.


It is already 250,000. It was at least 200,000 on July 21.
 
2020-09-11 9:40:46 AM  
1 vote:

Derek Force: Ahh yes, I remember when Churchill told them to turn the lights on and open back up the economy because that was more important then a few people dying from bombs.


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2020-09-11 9:34:24 AM  
1 vote:
FDR Nothing to Fear But Fear Itself 1933 Inaugural Address
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I remember FDR downplaying the effects of the Great Depression: "The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself."

No need to fear starvation and hunger, loss of your home and land, no job, no income, no hope, no future.
 
2020-09-11 9:20:28 AM  
1 vote:
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2020-09-11 9:19:10 AM  
1 vote:
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2020-09-11 9:12:07 AM  
1 vote:
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2020-09-11 9:09:05 AM  
1 vote:
"My people came to me, the House of Lords came to me and some others saying they think the air raids are Germany. I have Adolf Hitler, he just said it's not Germany. I will say this, I don't see any reason why it would be."
 
2020-09-11 9:05:28 AM  
1 vote:
I think he's mixing up Winston Churchill with Bill Dewey from Steven Universe.

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2020-09-11 9:02:25 AM  
1 vote:
The man only processes things in terms of perceived popularity. This is what we elected...someone who simply can't or won't grapple with even the smallest bit of objective truth. Life is, to him, one big production. It's not "lying to the people" it's "setting the scene."  He will literally never acknowledge or allow himself to understand the difference, or the implications.

Maybe next time a sizable plurality of the public points out that being a multi-time failed businessman and reality TV show host does not qualify one to run a country, people will pause and reflect on what the United States used to be.
 
2020-09-11 8:54:23 AM  
1 vote:

LeftisRightisWrong: If I was going to make a comparison, I'd say he has more in common with Neville Chamberlain than Churchill. He didn't want to rock the boat so he promised "peace for our time," not a proper solution, which let the problem get worse.


Which implies that Trump was buying more time to get ready to fight.  Nope.. he still won't fight the pandemic.
 
2020-09-11 8:40:34 AM  
1 vote:
He's not a Churchill, he's a Lebrun.
 
2020-09-11 8:36:08 AM  
1 vote:

cameroncrazy1984: Trump says it'll be gone like a miracle

Churchill said he had nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat.


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// ... and gin.
 
2020-09-11 8:35:33 AM  
1 vote:

FlashHarry: There will be a quarter million - MILLION - Americans dead by election. Maybe more. Vote accordingly.


I think we're past that now.  We can not be sure at this point if they've done anything to manipulate the numbers.  I've always heard the phrase "trust but verify".  What the hell can we do to verify anything?
 
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