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(Twitter)   Trump compares his downplaying the coronavirus to Churchill's actions during WWII. You remember when Churchill famously said, "Turn off those air raid sirens; we don't want people to panic," right?   (twitter.com) divider line
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2020-09-11 1:04:21 PM  

CheatCommando: CheatCommando: Aussie_As: Australian here. We actually agree that Trump shares elements of Churchill's competency. I mean his incompetency. We have a public holiday each year to honour it.

https://www.history.com/news/winston-c​hurchills-world-war-disaster

So yeah, Trump's handling of pretty well everything and Churchill farking up an entire battle in WW1 share some similarities.

Very few actually. After farking up Gallipoli, Churchhill resigned his position and volunteered for the trenches. He appears to of been wanting to at least except some responsibility for failure and more importantly to learn from it. A lot of his reluctance to launch a cross channel invasion came from his understanding of what could go wrong in a large amphibious operation.

Yay auto correct and Fark's unwillingness to have an edit function Unlike more advanced software that's been updated since 1999.


Most of us are against an Edit function. Why give morons the ability to go back and revise history after they've been mocked relentlessly for a post?
 
2020-09-11 1:06:00 PM  

BigNumber12: CheatCommando: CheatCommando: Aussie_As: Australian here. We actually agree that Trump shares elements of Churchill's competency. I mean his incompetency. We have a public holiday each year to honour it.

https://www.history.com/news/winston-c​hurchills-world-war-disaster

So yeah, Trump's handling of pretty well everything and Churchill farking up an entire battle in WW1 share some similarities.

Very few actually. After farking up Gallipoli, Churchhill resigned his position and volunteered for the trenches. He appears to of been wanting to at least except some responsibility for failure and more importantly to learn from it. A lot of his reluctance to launch a cross channel invasion came from his understanding of what could go wrong in a large amphibious operation.

Yay auto correct and Fark's unwillingness to have an edit function Unlike more advanced software that's been updated since 1999.

Most of us are against an Edit function. Why give morons the ability to go back and revise history after they've been mocked relentlessly for a post?


A lot of systems get around that by having an edit log that lets you see the edits that were made. But they were written by competent programmers, not drunk college kids.
 
2020-09-11 1:48:38 PM  

CheatCommando: BigNumber12: CheatCommando: CheatCommando: Aussie_As: Australian here. We actually agree that Trump shares elements of Churchill's competency. I mean his incompetency. We have a public holiday each year to honour it.

https://www.history.com/news/winston-c​hurchills-world-war-disaster

So yeah, Trump's handling of pretty well everything and Churchill farking up an entire battle in WW1 share some similarities.

Very few actually. After farking up Gallipoli, Churchhill resigned his position and volunteered for the trenches. He appears to of been wanting to at least except some responsibility for failure and more importantly to learn from it. A lot of his reluctance to launch a cross channel invasion came from his understanding of what could go wrong in a large amphibious operation.

Yay auto correct and Fark's unwillingness to have an edit function Unlike more advanced software that's been updated since 1999.

Most of us are against an Edit function. Why give morons the ability to go back and revise history after they've been mocked relentlessly for a post?

A lot of systems get around that by having an edit log that lets you see the edits that were made. But they were written by competent programmers, not drunk college kids.


Drunk college kids will work for alcohol, and Drew's site revenues are down dramatically these days.
 
2020-09-11 2:03:44 PM  

dywed88: Felgraf: mofa: The White House also maintained that tear-gassing protesters and clergy in Black Lives Matter Plaza on June 1 was Churchillian. Apparently, raping 13 year old girls and putting children in cages to die while begging for water are also rather Churchillian. Basically, anything the Manchurian Cantaloupe does is Churchillian.

// I'm fun at parties.

... I mean, if you look at how Churchill treated protests/attempts at sovereignty in India...
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Specifically Churchill was all for using poison gas against Iraqis (and other native populations) that didn't like British rule being imposed on them (although there is debate as to whether it was actually used or whether the  the British success came before it could be effectively deployed).


Churchill's reputation has definitely been perfumed. Fumigated, one might say. From Gallipoli to the fact that he was this "> <" close to accepting a peace deal. He wasn't even originally miffed by Bertie's flirtation with the Nazis.  And like Ezra Pound, Churchill had his share of common, suburban ethnic prejudices so abundant in the era.  Even the famous speeches that stirred so many were a little juiced. Norman Shelley, an actor, was the radio voice of the famous orator.
 
2020-09-11 2:09:58 PM  

qorkfiend: It's only 15 or so Messerschmitts, soon it will be zero. All the reports of explosions and deaths are a hoax.


Heinkel!
 
2020-09-11 2:26:12 PM  

dywed88: OdradekRex: [Fark user image image 300x168]
Also not Churchill

Also a far better and more competent man than Trump could dream of being.

His "peace in our time" line was hopeful but he knew it was almost certainly bullshiat. He di believe that the Anglo-French militaries would benefit more from a couple more years build up than the Germans would. And he scaled up military budgets to prepare for war as a result. Remember, he wasn't removed from the office because of the war starting, but because of the disastrous Norwegian campaign.

He also knew when he was done and worked for a transition to ensure stability and an effective continuation of government and the war effort. He continued to work in the government as a sort of deputy to Churchill, chairing war cabinet meetings and advising the PM as well as showing up his support among MPs that did not trust Churchill (probably for good reason considering his history). And less than three weeks after he stopped being the PM, he was the critical voice that lead the British government to back Churchill and pursue the war effort rather than following Halifax (who was previously Chamberlain's choice of a successor) and sue for peace. One word from Chamberlain could have collapsed the Churchill government and allowed Hitler to win WWII in May 1940, but he stood by Churchill and it took five long years to see Hitler destroyed.

I won't say that Chamberlain didn't screw up, but he deserves a lot more credit than he gets.

Also can you imagine Trump saying anything like this upon being forced to resign by his own party:

"For the hour has now come when we are to be put to the test, as the innocent people of Holland, Belgium, and France are being tested already. And you and I must rally behind our new leader, and with our united strength, and with unshakable courage fight, and work until this wild beast, which has sprung out of his lair upon us, has been finally disarmed and overthrown."


I got farking WRECKED when I suggested to a historian that Chamberlain had more options than appeasement--because even Chamberlain had to be talked into a position as extreme as "Peace in Our Time."

Yes, you read that right. Chamberlain just wanted to let Hitler do what he wanted & got talked into Peace In Our Time as a compromise. He could have done a ton more to delay & allow Britain to ready an army but decided not to.

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2020-09-11 2:37:47 PM  

andrewagill: dywed88: OdradekRex: [Fark user image image 300x168]
Also not Churchill

Also a far better and more competent man than Trump could dream of being.

His "peace in our time" line was hopeful but he knew it was almost certainly bullshiat. He di believe that the Anglo-French militaries would benefit more from a couple more years build up than the Germans would. And he scaled up military budgets to prepare for war as a result. Remember, he wasn't removed from the office because of the war starting, but because of the disastrous Norwegian campaign.

He also knew when he was done and worked for a transition to ensure stability and an effective continuation of government and the war effort. He continued to work in the government as a sort of deputy to Churchill, chairing war cabinet meetings and advising the PM as well as showing up his support among MPs that did not trust Churchill (probably for good reason considering his history). And less than three weeks after he stopped being the PM, he was the critical voice that lead the British government to back Churchill and pursue the war effort rather than following Halifax (who was previously Chamberlain's choice of a successor) and sue for peace. One word from Chamberlain could have collapsed the Churchill government and allowed Hitler to win WWII in May 1940, but he stood by Churchill and it took five long years to see Hitler destroyed.

I won't say that Chamberlain didn't screw up, but he deserves a lot more credit than he gets.

Also can you imagine Trump saying anything like this upon being forced to resign by his own party:

"For the hour has now come when we are to be put to the test, as the innocent people of Holland, Belgium, and France are being tested already. And you and I must rally behind our new leader, and with our united strength, and with unshakable courage fight, and work until this wild beast, which has sprung out of his lair upon us, has been finally disarmed and overthrown."

I got farking WRECKED when I suggested to a historian that Chamberlain had more options than appeasement--because even Chamberlain had to be talked into a position as extreme as "Peace in Our Time."

Yes, you read that right. Chamberlain just wanted to let Hitler do what he wanted & got talked into Peace In Our Time as a compromise. He could have done a ton more to delay & allow Britain to ready an army but decided not to.

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Oh, I don't give Chamberlain a pass for appeasement, and he absolutely should have done more.

He certainly hoped for peace and was willing to sell out the Czechs for it, but he was definitely preparing for war and thought the delay was to the Anglo-French benefit (which we later learned was wrong).

I just challenge that it was what it is usually portrayed as and that it is the sole defining moment for Chamberlain. He definitely deserves credit for his actions in the political crises of May 1940.
 
2020-09-11 2:49:17 PM  

dywed88: He certainly hoped for peace and was willing to sell out the Czechs for it, but he was definitely preparing for war and thought the delay was to the Anglo-French benefit (which we later learned was wrong).


Well, that's what I originally thought too, but it doesn't seem to be borne out by the evidence. If he'd wanted a delay he could have done it other ways, but his cabinet FORCED him to do "Peace in Our Time" & he did it as weakly as he could.

I agree that Chamberlain gets a worse rap than he deserves but he deserves much worse than the "He knew he needed to delay to build up Britain" narrative.
 
2020-09-11 3:11:04 PM  
The Blitz! The Blitz! This is the latest Labour HOAX!

They say in April the heat, it cause the bombing to stop.

One day the Germans will just go away, like a miracle!
 
2020-09-11 3:11:43 PM  
Trump should remember that once the war was over Churchill was voted out of office when his party lost the majority.
 
2020-09-11 3:13:50 PM  
"..But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science. Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties,..." - Winston Churchill

More eloquent and timely to the task at hand than anything  DJT has ever said.
 
2020-09-11 3:20:58 PM  

andrewagill: dywed88: He certainly hoped for peace and was willing to sell out the Czechs for it, but he was definitely preparing for war and thought the delay was to the Anglo-French benefit (which we later learned was wrong).

Well, that's what I originally thought too, but it doesn't seem to be borne out by the evidence. If he'd wanted a delay he could have done it other ways, but his cabinet FORCED him to do "Peace in Our Time" & he did it as weakly as he could.

I agree that Chamberlain gets a worse rap than he deserves but he deserves much worse than the "He knew he needed to delay to build up Britain" narrative.


I think a more accurate statement (and I know I often go a bit too far in my statements on Chamberlain and am often not clear) is:

He wanted peace, he hoped for peace, he sold out the Czechs for peace, but he knew war was still fairly likely and thought Britain would benefit from the delay even if his hoped for peace fell through.

I don't believe he sold out the Czechs to buy time. Nor do I see any reason to believe that he was confidant in having bought peace. More a combination of wishful thinking and silver linings driving his decisions.
 
2020-09-11 3:26:30 PM  
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2020-09-11 3:39:53 PM  

dywed88: thought Britain would benefit from the delay


No, this is the part historians disagree with.

Chamberlain didb't seem to have been doing this with any idea that a delay would be beneficial.
 
2020-09-11 3:41:16 PM  

FlashHarry: mrshowrules: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/htHKbsUK​DDw]

My god, that was an awful movie. It still makes me angry to think that I wasted a couple of hours with that dreck.

/Gary Oldman was great, however.


I enjoyed the movie.  What about it - didn't you like?
 
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