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2020-09-10 9:23:23 PM  
I only see one subject: medical marijuana. What's the problem exactly?
 
2020-09-10 10:39:06 PM  
Colorado is just across the border. We're happy to take Nebraska's tax money.
 
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2020-09-11 12:51:25 AM  
Sounds like Nebraskans need to put forth a new ballot initiative, that laws passed by the Nebraska Legislature need to cover only a single subject.
 
2020-09-11 2:18:53 AM  
The Supreme Court decision means that Nebraska voters will not have a chance to decide about legalizing medical uses of cannabis this year, despite a petition drive that collected more than 182,000 signatures to put the issue on the ballot.

182,000 signatures, assuming they are all Nebraska residents, is 10% of the population of the state.  That's a shiat load bigger number than it sounds like when you consider, these were just the people who signed the petition to get it on the ballot, and not all the supporters.
 
2020-09-11 2:24:38 AM  

aleister_greynight: The Supreme Court decision means that Nebraska voters will not have a chance to decide about legalizing medical uses of cannabis this year, despite a petition drive that collected more than 182,000 signatures to put the issue on the ballot.

182,000 signatures, assuming they are all Nebraska residents, is 10% of the population of the state.  That's a shiat load bigger number than it sounds like when you consider, these were just the people who signed the petition to get it on the ballot, and not all the supporters.


Yes, but Nebraska is controlled by Republicans, and you know how they feel about little things like 'democracy' and 'the will of the people' and 'doing shiat that might help people that aren't rich white scumbags'.
 
2020-09-11 2:28:01 AM  
Legal weed is pointless anyway. The government will limit who can sell, and tax the crap out of it. So people will keep buying street corner dealer weed, and legal weed will be disaster. It happened in Ontario Canada.
 
2020-09-11 2:32:49 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Colorado is just across the border. We're happy to take Nebraska's tax money.


Are remote Nebraska sheriffs nowhere near I-80 still sending their boys down to the big highway hoping to arrest out of staters with weed on the claim that their counties are "threatened" by some guy from Iowa passing through the state with a joint?
 
2020-09-11 2:33:17 AM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Legal weed is pointless anyway. The government will limit who can sell, and tax the crap out of it. So people will keep buying street corner dealer weed, and legal weed will be disaster. It happened in Ontario Canada.


I live in Colorado and legal weed is doing pretty well.

Maybe the problem isn't legal weed, maybe the problem is Ontario, Canada.
 
2020-09-11 2:34:19 AM  
Conservatives: Government should be limited! Don't tell me how to live!

Conservatives in government: You don't know what you want, we will tell you.
 
2020-09-11 2:36:29 AM  
Its a good thing that Democrats are committed to federal legalization then, amiright?
 
2020-09-11 2:36:38 AM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Legal weed is pointless anyway. The government will limit who can sell, and tax the crap out of it. So people will keep buying street corner dealer weed, and legal weed will be disaster. It happened in Ontario Canada.


The point is that it takes it off "hassle people for ticket money and county jail money" list for cops who want to look productive and bring money into their office.  It takes it off "arrest every black guy you can who has a speck of weed on him" for racist city cops.  It gets rid of "My neighbors are smoking illegal drugs!" 911 calls from evil neighbors who don't like you barbequeing in your own back yard.  It takes a weapon away from Karen.
 
2020-09-11 2:40:05 AM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Pointy Tail of Satan: Legal weed is pointless anyway. The government will limit who can sell, and tax the crap out of it. So people will keep buying street corner dealer weed, and legal weed will be disaster. It happened in Ontario Canada.

The point is that it takes it off "hassle people for ticket money and county jail money" list for cops who want to look productive and bring money into their office.  It takes it off "arrest every black guy you can who has a speck of weed on him" for racist city cops.  It gets rid of "My neighbors are smoking illegal drugs!" 911 calls from evil neighbors who don't like you barbequeing in your own back yard.  It takes a weapon away from Karen.


The point is that it is a recreational drug that is less harmful to individuals and to society in general than other legal substances and it's being illegal in the first place has mostly to do with racism.
 
2020-09-11 2:50:28 AM  

feltrider: Its a good thing that Democrats are committed to federal legalization then, amiright?


I literally can't tell whose worse here
 
2020-09-11 2:50:54 AM  

Palined Parenthood: feltrider: Its a good thing that Democrats are committed to federal legalization then, amiright?

I literally can't tell whose worse here


who's

fark me
 
2020-09-11 3:06:35 AM  

Palined Parenthood: feltrider: Its a good thing that Democrats are committed to federal legalization then, amiright?

I literally can't tell whose worse here


Some states have to be dragged into the 21st century kicking and screaming. It's a good thing the progressive party strongly supports federal legalization to end the injustices faced by so many Americans - particularly African Americans, their core group of voters.
 
2020-09-11 3:07:58 AM  

LordJiro: aleister_greynight: The Supreme Court decision means that Nebraska voters will not have a chance to decide about legalizing medical uses of cannabis this year, despite a petition drive that collected more than 182,000 signatures to put the issue on the ballot.

182,000 signatures, assuming they are all Nebraska residents, is 10% of the population of the state.  That's a shiat load bigger number than it sounds like when you consider, these were just the people who signed the petition to get it on the ballot, and not all the supporters.

Yes, but Nebraska is controlled by Republicans, and you know how they feel about little things like 'democracy' and 'the will of the people' and 'doing shiat that might help people that aren't rich white scumbags'.


It's almost as if their "small government principles" are all a lie.

And the only actual principle any of them actually have is perverting the rule of law for all into two parts, the lords who are protected but not bound and the serfs who are bound but not protected. That and doing every goddamn thing possible to prevent people from changing classes.
 
2020-09-11 3:08:54 AM  

feltrider: particularly African Americans, their core group of voters.


This isn't even close to being true.
 
2020-09-11 3:12:09 AM  

jst3p: feltrider: particularly African Americans, their core group of voters.

This isn't even close to being true.


Are you saying that African Americans don't face outsized impact by drug policy, or that African Americans arent the core voting group for democrats?
 
2020-09-11 3:41:51 AM  

feltrider: jst3p: feltrider: particularly African Americans, their core group of voters.

This isn't even close to being true.

Are you saying that African Americans don't face outsized impact by drug policy, or that African Americans arent the core voting group for democrats?


I am saying 13% of the population can't be the core voting group of any party in a two party system.

They may, as a demographic, heavily favor Democrats, but they don't have the numbers to be "the core voting group". Words mean things. There is no "the core group" when it comes to the Democratic party which is really a coalition. One of the groups is African American but they are not "the" core demographic.

It is an important distinction.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/​t​he-5-key-constituencies-of-the-2020-de​mocratic-primary/
 
2020-09-11 3:54:23 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Colorado is just across the border. We're happy to take Nebraska's tax money.


I was going to say that judging by all the out of state plates I see when I go to the marijuana store Nebraskans aren't worried about where to get their marijuana.

Actually, I see way more Wyoming plates, but I've talked to people who have come from as far away as Georgia.

/And that's when it hit me.  You mean to tell me this person drove all the way from Georgia to the same marijuana store I buy pot from just so he could get a few joints?  And why didn't he hit the first marijuana store in Colorado he got to? I mean there must be dozens in Denver alone, so what's he doing up in NoCo?

I don't know - I just figured he was buying the maximum amount allowed by law at every marijuana store he could find.  I'm not certain of that, but I'm sure all his friends in Georgia were stoned out of their minds after he got back.
 
2020-09-11 3:56:19 AM  
No one should be voting on what MEDICINE their neighbor can and cannot take.  If it's actual medicine and FDA approved and all that jazz, then voting on it is f*cked up.

We didn't vote for doxycycline or any of the other medicines over at CVS, so it's absolute horsesh*t that we would vote on this.  It should just be legal and available.  Yanno, like all the god damn opiates I have in my medicine closet.
 
2020-09-11 3:58:25 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Colorado is just across the border. We're happy to take Nebraska's tax money.


There you go, being the part of the 48% of cops that give all cops a bad name again.
 
2020-09-11 5:04:20 AM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Legal weed is pointless anyway. The government will limit who can sell, and tax the crap out of it. So people will keep buying street corner dealer weed, and legal weed will be disaster. It happened in Ontario Canada.


Yes but also, almost everybody that wants it, has their 4 plants-per-household.
 
2020-09-11 5:51:01 AM  
This is bad news for the hundreds of Nebraskans who could make good use of weed to palliate their epilepsy or cachexia, and for the thousands of them who would invent some nonexistent sickness so they could get a medical card off of a weed quack and get high every day.

Pointy Tail of Satan: Legal weed is pointless anyway. The government will limit who can sell, and tax the crap out of it. So people will keep buying street corner dealer weed, and legal weed will be disaster. It happened in Ontario Canada.


And in California, and in Colorado,...

jst3p: Pointy Tail of Satan: Legal weed is pointless anyway. The government will limit who can sell, and tax the crap out of it. So people will keep buying street corner dealer weed, and legal weed will be disaster. It happened in Ontario Canada.

I live in Colorado and legal weed is doing pretty well.

Maybe the problem isn't legal weed, maybe the problem is Ontario, Canada.


Half of locals in CO still buy off the street according to this source.  The problem is the same everywhere the stuff is legal to trade in:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/colorad​o​-marijuana-black-market-1.4647198

"The results of Bolivar's Facebook survey suggested nearly 50 per cent of the respondents were not shopping at the state's licensed dispensaries. Bolivar says most are buying their pot off of friends or sticking to their regular dealers because they trust them."

If you have newer figures I'd be interested in seeing them.

jst3p:

The point is that it is a recreational drug that is less harmful to individuals and to society in general than other legal substances

According to whom?  And since when is getting high "recreation"?
 
2020-09-11 6:13:25 AM  
Oh Christ, It's That Asshole Again

I need to read that again.
 
2020-09-11 6:20:36 AM  
What does a fossil peccary need with medical marijuana anyways?
 
2020-09-11 6:22:21 AM  
Heh. I was just approved for my medical marijuana card here in sunny Florida. I guess there are states slightly..slightly... worse than this one.
Saying that, I miss living in Arizona....where I could drive to California for legal weed and bring it back. I always felt like a drug mule driving across 40 back to Flagstaff.
 
2020-09-11 6:59:11 AM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Legal weed is pointless anyway. The government will limit who can sell, and tax the crap out of it. So people will keep buying street corner dealer weed, and legal weed will be disaster. It happened in Ontario Canada.


Oklahoma would seem to be the best parallel. Ballot initiative, top level opposition, etc.
It's only a disaster in OK if you were praying for problems like in Ontario
 
2020-09-11 7:19:17 AM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Legal weed is pointless anyway. The government will limit who can sell, and tax the crap out of it. So people will keep buying street corner dealer weed, and legal weed will be disaster. It happened in Ontario Canada.


Right. Just like how everybody buys moonshine out of the trunk of a '49 Mercury.
 
2020-09-11 7:31:44 AM  

jst3p: Pointy Tail of Satan: Legal weed is pointless anyway. The government will limit who can sell, and tax the crap out of it. So people will keep buying street corner dealer weed, and legal weed will be disaster. It happened in Ontario Canada.

I live in Colorado and legal weed is doing pretty well.

Maybe the problem isn't legal weed, maybe the problem is Ontario, Canada.


You could say it's been a....

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2020-09-11 7:38:05 AM  
Show me the other subjects.  I've got a "single subject" ballot initiative for you, Nebraska:

Legalize marijuana.  Singular enough for you, Supreme Court?  You can put THC in baby formula because we didn't muck up the ballot initiative with other "subjects" like adjectives and limits.

/not a marijuana advocate.
 
2020-09-11 7:52:11 AM  

jst3p: Pointy Tail of Satan: Legal weed is pointless anyway. The government will limit who can sell, and tax the crap out of it. So people will keep buying street corner dealer weed, and legal weed will be disaster. It happened in Ontario Canada.

I live in Colorado and legal weed is doing pretty well.

Maybe the problem isn't legal weed, maybe the problem is Ontario, Canada.


Can confirm. The government looked at legal marijuana with dollar signs in their eyes and completely borked the roll out. Inadequate and low quality product priced more than double the black market rate. All the government here can do is surprise Pikachu face about it.
 
2020-09-11 8:15:08 AM  
Tried looking up things to do in nebraska.
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If a 3000 foot road you walk on is one of the highlights of your state,it should be a crime to NOT legalize it.
 
2020-09-11 8:19:06 AM  
Silly citizens. Ballot initiatives are for legislators that are looking to avoid taking responsibility for potentially controversial changes to the law.

Really though, this just furthers the idea that ballot initiatives should be banned. We don't live in a direct democracy. If the legislature wants something done, then draft a bill and farking vote on it in session.
 
2020-09-11 8:57:40 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Colorado is just across the border. We're happy to take Nebraska's tax money.


And Nebraska cops will be happy to confiscate the vehicles and possessions of anyone crossing the border from Colorado into Nebraska.

Not cool, I live in Colorado and have to leave the state occasionally.  I don't use marijuana, but Colorado plates can be probable cause for asset forfeiture.
 
2020-09-11 9:07:12 AM  
Watching red states be dumb on this issue makes  it clear America is held back by red states.  We need to get rid of them.
 
2020-09-11 9:26:03 AM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Legal weed is pointless anyway. The government will limit who can sell, and tax the crap out of it. So people will keep buying street corner dealer weed, and legal weed will be disaster. It happened in Ontario Canada.


.... Are you a moron?
 
2020-09-11 9:26:56 AM  

feltrider: Its a good thing that Democrats are committed to federal legalization then, amiright?


Biden's platform includes federal decriminalization
 
2020-09-11 10:18:15 AM  
Note that the asshole governor praises the outcome that Marijuana won't be on the ballot, with zero consideration of the flimsy-ass justification by the court.
 
2020-09-11 10:26:09 AM  

edmo: I only see one subject: medical marijuana. What's the problem exactly?


One hit of Satan's lettuce is all it takes to turn good, God fearing white children into communist insurgents hell bent on destroying America.
 
2020-09-11 10:49:32 AM  

feltrider: Its a good thing that Democrats are committed to federal legalization then, amiright?


https://www.demconvention.com/wp-cont​e​nt/uploads/2020/08/2020-07-31-Democrat​ic-Party-Platform-For-Distribution.pdf​

Page 37.
 
2020-09-11 10:51:55 AM  

jst3p: feltrider: jst3p: feltrider: particularly African Americans, their core group of voters.

This isn't even close to being true.

Are you saying that African Americans don't face outsized impact by drug policy, or that African Americans arent the core voting group for democrats?

I am saying 13% of the population can't be the core voting group of any party in a two party system.

They may, as a demographic, heavily favor Democrats, but they don't have the numbers to be "the core voting group". Words mean things. There is no "the core group" when it comes to the Democratic party which is really a coalition. One of the groups is African American but they are not "the" core demographic.

It is an important distinction.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/t​he-5-key-constituencies-of-the-2020-de​mocratic-primary/


They are probably the most loyal group of Democratic voters at least.
 
2020-09-11 11:53:49 AM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Legal weed is pointless anyway. The government will limit who can sell, and tax the crap out of it. So people will keep buying street corner dealer weed, and legal weed will be disaster. It happened in Ontario Canada.


Uh huh, uh huh.

That explains those $50 ounces in Oregon, amiright?

In my opinion, anyone who says legal weed is pointless ought to get an all expenses paid couple of months in county lockup.  You deserve it!
 
2020-09-11 3:10:10 PM  

knobmaker: Pointy Tail of Satan: Legal weed is pointless anyway. The government will limit who can sell, and tax the crap out of it. So people will keep buying street corner dealer weed, and legal weed will be disaster. It happened in Ontario Canada.

Uh huh, uh huh.

That explains those $50 ounces in Oregon, amiright?


Whatever the price of an ounce of weed is in Oregon these days, there's still a robust black market for the stuff there if this story is any indication:

https://www.kdrv.com/content/news/Pol​i​ce-Two-in-custody-after-shooting-in-Me​rlin-during-marijuana-deal-gone-bad-56​8227481.html

This shooting happened right in the middle of the major growing area in southwestern Oregon, too.

And then there are always the cases of kids trying to get their hands on weed from street dealers, with disastrous results.  Oregon still has these too:

https://www.bendbulletin.com/localsta​t​e/second-minor-pleads-guilty-in-mariju​ana-robbery/article_0ec68184-0124-5ca8​-b140-7f740a5e106b.html

So maybe our friend isn't off base at all when s/he says that people in legal at retail areas keep buying street weed after legalization, and maybe s/he doesn't deserve the time in the county lockup that you would hand out.
 
2020-09-11 5:49:10 PM  
Republicans made sure this wouldn't be on the ballot. Republicans really hate democracy.
 
2020-09-11 7:10:10 PM  

jst3p: Pointy Tail of Satan: Legal weed is pointless anyway. The government will limit who can sell, and tax the crap out of it. So people will keep buying street corner dealer weed, and legal weed will be disaster. It happened in Ontario Canada.

I live in Colorado and legal weed is doing pretty well.

Maybe the problem isn't legal weed, maybe the problem is Ontario, Canada.


I live in Washington and work in Oregon, no major issues with legal weed in either place.  Ontario, I think its you.
 
2020-09-12 1:29:29 AM  
tirob:

Half of locals in CO still buy off the street according to this source.  The problem is the same everywhere the stuff is legal to trade in:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/colorado​-marijuana-black-market-1.4647198

"The results of Bolivar's Facebook survey suggested nearly 50 per cent of the respondents were not shopping at the state's licensed dispensaries. Bolivar says most are buying their pot off of friends or sticking to their regular dealers because they trust them."

If you have newer figures I'd be interested in seeing them.



Because when I want solid numbers Facebook surveys are the way to go!

I am not saying no one buys weed on the street here, I am saying it isn't the disaster you claimed all legal weed is.

jst3p:

The point is that it is a recreational drug that is less harmful to individuals and to society in general than other legal substances

According to whom?

Science:


https://www.iflscience.com/health-and​-​medicine/new-study-suggests-risks-mari​juana-use-have-been-overestimated/


And since when is getting high "recreation"?

What would you call it? People have been altering their consciousness for recreational purposes throughout all of written history.
 
2020-09-12 6:01:06 AM  

jst3p: tirob:

Half of locals in CO still buy off the street according to this source. The problem is the same everywhere the stuff is legal to trade in:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/colorado​-marijuana-black-market-1.4647198

"The results of Bolivar's Facebook survey suggested nearly 50 per cent of the respondents were not shopping at the state's licensed dispensaries. Bolivar says most are buying their pot off of friends or sticking to their regular dealers because they trust them."

If you have newer figures I'd be interested in seeing them.


Because when I want solid numbers Facebook surveys are the way to go!

I am not saying no one buys weed on the street here, I am saying it isn't the disaster you claimed all legal weed is.


If you have better figures I'd be interested in seeing them.  According to this source, 27 percent of all weed sales in the state are off the black market.  If you consider that a good proportion of buyers in CO comes from out of state, that figure is consistent with the numbers for local buyers cited in the survey I sourced:

https://www.westword.com/marijuana/co​l​orados-black-market-for-marijuana-how-​big-is-it-9280870

Our friend used the word disaster, not me.  While I don't think legal at retail in CO has been a disaster, I wouldn't call it a success either.  The black market for weed is still present, as even you admit.  And with it of course comes all the usual mischief that we would associate with illegal drug deals:

https://www.9news.com/article/news/cr​i​me/2-dead-greeley-drug-deal/73-7ea8d7c​5-a69c-4aeb-b4d6-fe40c14bcd65

On the positive side, of course, CO now has a bunch of weed stores and a weed lobby.  Well whoop de doo.  Just what the rest of the country needs.

jst3p: jst3p:

The point is that it is a recreational drug that is less harmful to individuals and to society in general than other legal substances

According to whom?

Science:

https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-​medicine/new-study-suggests-risks-mari​juana-use-have-been-overestimated/


The MOE method discussed in your source only measures the hazards of acute ingestion.

"In an attempt to rectify these issues, scientists came up with a new risk assessment technique, called the 'Margin of Exposure' (MOE) method. Put simply, this looks at the ratio between the dose which characterizes adverse effects and the amount that people typically use."

I think we're all aware that weed is much less acutely toxic than alcohol, for example, is.  But your source tells me nothing about the comparative effects of *chronic* ingestion of the substances discussed in it.

Long-term weed use has been linked to increased risk of stroke

https://www.livescience.com/heavy-mar​i​juana-use-increases-stroke-risk.html

and of testicular cancer

https://www.sciencealert.com/men-who-​s​moke-marijuana-daily-may-be-more-likel​y-to-get-testicular-cancer

For starters.

Oh, and as for the acute toxicity of weed?  Greater than zero, apparently:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti​c​les/PMC6930694/

jst3p: And since when is getting high "recreation"?

What would you call it?


Until we start calling getting drunk "recreation" too, I'd call it getting high.
 
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