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2020-09-10 2:59:18 PM  
Bent over backwards?
 
2020-09-10 4:12:17 PM  

rikdanger: Bent over backwards?


Yeah, wrong direction.
 
2020-09-10 4:12:38 PM  
The appeal of a lucrative Chinese market is immense, but the CCP will always fark you. It's what they do.
 
2020-09-10 4:14:38 PM  
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2020-09-10 4:17:03 PM  
Hey China
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2020-09-10 4:17:25 PM  
So when the live action cash grabs are done, are puppet versions next?
 
2020-09-10 4:19:43 PM  
It's a stupid movie.  Spoilers to follow, as if that's possible with the "reimagined" Disney trend:

Donnie Yen: "Mulan, you're a disgrace!  Bring me my sword so I may remove her head!"
Subordinate solders:  "Um....we believe in Mulan."
Donnie Yen:  "Mulan, you will lead the army into battle to save the Emperor!
 
2020-09-10 4:23:05 PM  
Fark disney and fark the pro-fascism bastards running it. At this point, disney execs are as bad as zuckerberg.
 
2020-09-10 4:28:05 PM  

chuggernaught: The appeal of a lucrative Chinese market is immense, but the CCP will always fark you. It's what they do.


If only "capitalists" weren't such shameless whores
 
2020-09-10 4:39:03 PM  
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2020-09-10 4:46:13 PM  
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2020-09-10 4:58:49 PM  

whither_apophis: chuggernaught: The appeal of a lucrative Chinese market is immense, but the CCP will always fark you. It's what they do.

If only "capitalists" weren't such shameless whores


I was assured yesterday Disney kowtowing to China isn't capitalism, because for "True capitalism" to take place China's government has to fall
 
2020-09-10 4:59:52 PM  

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My niece and nephew have zero interest in seeing the movie once they learned that:

(a) They cut the songs
(b) They cut Mushu.
 
2020-09-10 5:03:30 PM  
I hope there's a remake to this remake, but next time with Mulan as a Jedi
 
2020-09-10 5:06:01 PM  
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2020-09-10 5:09:14 PM  

TDWCom29: I was assured yesterday Disney kowtowing to China isn't capitalism, because for "True capitalism" to take place China's government has to fall


Here's the funny part: Disney has been running away from capitalism for years. They went all-in on "world citizen" stuff, not to mention the whole "woke" silliness.

But now that the economy is in trouble in a way that specifically targets entertainment companies, they're losing money by the truckload. And the investors who actually own the company are stepping in and informing the various middle and upper management folks in charge of Disney that the wokeness is going to stop, immediately. Quite a few of the top people are getting quietly shoved out the door, especially the ones who managed to screw up the Star Wars franchise.

That also means that a bunch of that Chinese "cooperation" is going away too, since the massive sales they were promised from the Chinese market haven't materialized in anywhere near the amounts they expected.
 
2020-09-10 5:10:11 PM  

baronbloodbath: [Fark user image 425x452]


hahahaha. dumb
 
2020-09-10 5:13:49 PM  

brizzle365: Naido: [Fark user image 400x373]

I was going to go for the same sentiment, but spent too much time trying to figure out how to laugh in mandarin.


Fark China, and fark everyone who defends maintaining business as usual with them.

It would be disastrous to pull all business out of there immediately, but we should be moving toward pulling out.  And we should cease to place more business there.

The whole idea that free market participation would lead to a more liberal country in general?  That's shot to hell.  They're now using our mania for cheap labor to fund themselves while becoming even more horrific.  It should matter.  They're doing evil things to people and we give them money while we're trying to fight things that (while horrible and worthy of fighting) aren't half as bad.  At some point we have to take an honest look at ourselves
 
2020-09-10 5:14:19 PM  
Naido:

Sorry for the political rant in the Entertainment tab
 
2020-09-10 5:14:47 PM  
Serves them right. Aren't we all tired of dancing to China's tune by now? Especially since their economy is heading south, and their "middle class" won't have as much disposable rmb anymore?
 
2020-09-10 5:20:45 PM  

Naido: Naido:

Sorry for the political rant in the Entertainment tab


Unfortunately they've kinda become the same thing these days.  I hate to admit how much I've learned about the world from South Park, but they see to do a better job than major media.  Maybe not giving two, um, cares has something to do with it.
 
2020-09-10 5:48:09 PM  
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Elsa: "Is that what you think of me? I believe in the Grail, not the swastika!"

Indy: "You stood up to be counted with the enemies of everything the Grail stands for. Who gives a DAMN what you believe!?"
 
2020-09-10 5:49:46 PM  
Hollywood needs to understand there is no financial future in China. What they want and what the rest of the world wants is in conflict. Disney can keep trying to split the baby like they did with this movie, but that's just pissing off both sides.
 
2020-09-10 5:55:14 PM  

brizzle365: Naido: [Fark user image 400x373]

I was going to go for the same sentiment, but spent too much time trying to figure out how to laugh in mandarin.


The phrase you're looking for is 哈哈 (pronounced "ha ha").
 
2020-09-10 5:56:35 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: I hope there's a remake to this remake, but next time with Mulan as a Jedi


Friend of mine who's a major film buff has seen Mulan, and is 100% certain the script was a repurposed Star Wars script of some kind.
 
2020-09-10 6:02:33 PM  
Reminds me of a scene from a certain film that, by golly, Disney just happens to own now! They're getting exactly
what they deserve.

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2020-09-10 6:04:22 PM  

vestona22: Naido: Naido:

Sorry for the political rant in the Entertainment tab

Unfortunately they've kinda become the same thing these days.  I hate to admit how much I've learned about the world from South Park, but they see to do a better job than major media.  Maybe not giving two, um, cares has something to do with it.


I know right? Both sides are bad and the same, so voting is a waste. And why won't the media ever really tell us how ridiculous PC culture is?

I haven't watched south park with any regularity in years, but you've gotta be farking kidding me comparing them to the media.
 
2020-09-10 6:13:38 PM  

lewintn: Reminds me of a scene from a certain film that, by golly, Disney just happens to own now! They're getting exactly
what they deserve.

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Disney has helped destroy the very environment that allowed a work like Star Wars to flourish in the first place.

https://tv.avclub.com/the-telecommuni​c​ations-act-of-1996-gave-us-shiatty-cel​l-1798250823

FTA: "Now, companies like Disney can own TV networks, film studios -- something that McChesney notes was illegal until the '90s -- magazines, newspapers, radio stations, amusement parks, sports teams, book publishing houses, and more. That kind of conglomeration can make things incredibly murky for most consumers, as, for instance, the cast of Once Upon A Time, a show on ABC -- a network owned by Disney -- helps promote Zootopia -- a movie made by Disney and starring one of the cast members of Once, Ginnifer Goodwin -- as they get snapped by paparazzi at Disneyland, and so on, and so on, and so on."
 
2020-09-10 7:10:02 PM  
Kowtowing to the Chinese government has made movies demonstrably worse. Writers can no longer tell the stories they want to tell, because some minor tidbit *might* cause Chinese authorities to censor the movie.

The quality of our entertainment is therefore dumbed down to appease authoritarian regimes, and we, the audience in all the democratic countries of the world, are given only whatever the lowest common denominator appeases Chinese government censors.

And then the movie gets censored anyway.
 
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2020-09-10 7:11:17 PM  
Lesson movie studios may take from this: trying to appease the Chicoms so you can get access to their markets may backfire for reasons entirely out of the studio's control. Best not to do that.

This is a win for freedom... thank's to a paranoid anti-freedom government.
 
2020-09-10 7:14:05 PM  
Behind the scenes politics aside, the criticism I've heard that ruins it for me is that Mulan went from the tomboy that didn't fit in doing what's right despite the patriarchy, to the village wunderkind martial artist that is surrounded by men chanting "you go girl".
 
2020-09-10 7:14:25 PM  
Get a brain, mulans
 
2020-09-10 7:39:07 PM  
chuggernaught:

Even being a foreigner who lived there for a long time and not necessarily against the CCP, you're exactly right.

Why the censorship there, because of the negative attn in our media here, it's not personal, it's just China being China.
 
2020-09-10 7:40:14 PM  
little big man:

I retract my previous statement, it censored because they butchered the story a second time
 
2020-09-10 7:43:01 PM  
jvl:

Looks at the current head of the American Government

Looks at China

Looks at Russia

Sees no difference other than methods & openness about intentions
 
2020-09-10 8:08:10 PM  

AuralArgument: jvl:

Looks at the current head of the American Government

Looks at China

Looks at Russia

Sees no difference other than methods & openness about intentions


In China, you would be sent off for re-education and not return.

In Russia, don't drink the tea.

In the US, you get legions of followers, a gofundme or Patreon page, and be popular to at least 35% of the population. This applies equally to both sides.

And you think they are all basically the same?
 
2020-09-10 8:11:01 PM  

OneCrazyIvan: AuralArgument: jvl:

Looks at the current head of the American Government

Looks at China

Looks at Russia

Sees no difference other than methods & openness about intentions

In China, you would be sent off for re-education and not return.

In Russia, don't drink the tea.

In the US, you get legions of followers, a gofundme or Patreon page, and be popular to at least 35% of the population. This applies equally to both sides.

And you think they are all basically the same?


Yeah, it's not the US *government* that needed to be appeased with respect to Milan's gender role
 
2020-09-10 8:12:27 PM  
Lesson learned. Never bend over backwards for a country or entity that is against your ideals and principles.
 
2020-09-10 8:26:47 PM  

cirby: TDWCom29: I was assured yesterday Disney kowtowing to China isn't capitalism, because for "True capitalism" to take place China's government has to fall

Here's the funny part: Disney has been running away from capitalism for years. They went all-in on "world citizen" stuff, not to mention the whole "woke" silliness.

But now that the economy is in trouble in a way that specifically targets entertainment companies, they're losing money by the truckload. And the investors who actually own the company are stepping in and informing the various middle and upper management folks in charge of Disney that the wokeness is going to stop, immediately. Quite a few of the top people are getting quietly shoved out the door, especially the ones who managed to screw up the Star Wars franchise.

That also means that a bunch of that Chinese "cooperation" is going away too, since the massive sales they were promised from the Chinese market haven't materialized in anywhere near the amounts they expected.


I've never read boardroom fanfiction before

Emphasis on fiction
 
2020-09-10 8:29:45 PM  

vestona22: Naido: Naido:

Sorry for the political rant in the Entertainment tab

Unfortunately they've kinda become the same thing these days.  I hate to admit how much I've learned about the world from South Park, but they see to do a better job than major media.  Maybe not giving two, um, cares has something to do with it.


Wow, you get all your politics from South Park anddon't care? How can we all be so cool?
 
2020-09-10 8:43:56 PM  

cirby: TDWCom29: I was assured yesterday Disney kowtowing to China isn't capitalism, because for "True capitalism" to take place China's government has to fall

Here's the funny part: Disney has been running away from capitalism for years. They went all-in on "world citizen" stuff, not to mention the whole "woke" silliness.

But now that the economy is in trouble in a way that specifically targets entertainment companies, they're losing money by the truckload. And the investors who actually own the company are stepping in and informing the various middle and upper management folks in charge of Disney that the wokeness is going to stop, immediately. Quite a few of the top people are getting quietly shoved out the door, especially the ones who managed to screw up the Star Wars franchise.

That also means that a bunch of that Chinese "cooperation" is going away too, since the massive sales they were promised from the Chinese market haven't materialized in anywhere near the amounts they expected.


So, ever since IMDB stopped allowing discussion boards, I tend to go to 4chan /tv/ a bit, because where else can I learn I should hate myself and commit violence against myself for liking a movie? But that seems to be news from a youtuber that apparently is consistently wrong about everything they "leak" about Disney, or anything. Definitely take with a boulder of salt, but even the crowd that would sadly cheer over that kind of news doesn't seem to believe it.
 
2020-09-10 9:07:32 PM  

cirby: TDWCom29: I was assured yesterday Disney kowtowing to China isn't capitalism, because for "True capitalism" to take place China's government has to fall

Here's the funny part: Disney has been running away from capitalism for years. They went all-in on "world citizen" stuff, not to mention the whole "woke" silliness.

But now that the economy is in trouble in a way that specifically targets entertainment companies, they're losing money by the truckload. And the investors who actually own the company are stepping in and informing the various middle and upper management folks in charge of Disney that the wokeness is going to stop, immediately. Quite a few of the top people are getting quietly shoved out the door, especially the ones who managed to screw up the Star Wars franchise.

That also means that a bunch of that Chinese "cooperation" is going away too, since the massive sales they were promised from the Chinese market haven't materialized in anywhere near the amounts they expected.


So we ARE going to get "Song of the South", including the remake.
 
2020-09-10 9:21:55 PM  
Amusingly, the only positive review I've heard from anyone, either actual critic or random friend who paid to see the movie, was that if you pretend you never saw the original it's a workable mid-to-low-tier wire-fu flick with all of the usual problems, like the entire plot being lost in translation.

... that's right, setting a bar low enough for this movie to clear it required the one reviewer to pretend it was a badly-translated action movie originally in Cantonese.

I haven't seen it yet so maybe it's secretly super good, worth thirty farking bucks plus a subscription fee, and I'm truly missing out, but... jesus christ, the general reaction to this thing redefines "damning with faint praise".
 
2020-09-10 9:56:43 PM  

TDWCom29: vestona22: Naido: Naido:

Sorry for the political rant in the Entertainment tab

Unfortunately they've kinda become the same thing these days.  I hate to admit how much I've learned about the world from South Park, but they see to do a better job than major media.  Maybe not giving two, um, cares has something to do with it.

Wow, you get all your politics from South Park anddon't care? How can we all be so cool?


No I don't get all my politics from South Park.  That would be stupid. But how many people here understood the Winnie the Pooh reference and of those, how many only understood it because of SP?  Major US media never seemed to report it, nor did they report on the influence of Chinese censorship on US content.  If Trump did what China's been doing for years the lefts' heads would implode.
 
2020-09-10 10:04:35 PM  

cirby: TDWCom29: I was assured yesterday Disney kowtowing to China isn't capitalism, because for "True capitalism" to take place China's government has to fall

Here's the funny part: Disney has been running away from capitalism for years. They went all-in on "world citizen" stuff, not to mention the whole "woke" silliness.

But now that the economy is in trouble in a way that specifically targets entertainment companies, they're losing money by the truckload. And the investors who actually own the company are stepping in and informing the various middle and upper management folks in charge of Disney that the wokeness is going to stop, immediately. Quite a few of the top people are getting quietly shoved out the door, especially the ones who managed to screw up the Star Wars franchise.

That also means that a bunch of that Chinese "cooperation" is going away too, since the massive sales they were promised from the Chinese market haven't materialized in anywhere near the amounts they expected.


Disney became the powerhouse it is today because they doubled down on capitalism, not moved away from it. If you don't think the Mouse is the pinnacle of American-style capitalism - right up there with Amazon - you're mistaken.
 
2020-09-10 10:32:49 PM  

cirby: TDWCom29: I was assured yesterday Disney kowtowing to China isn't capitalism, because for "True capitalism" to take place China's government has to fall

Here's the funny part: Disney has been running away from capitalism for years. They went all-in on "world citizen" stuff, not to mention the whole "woke" silliness.

But now that the economy is in trouble in a way that specifically targets entertainment companies, they're losing money by the truckload. And the investors who actually own the company are stepping in and informing the various middle and upper management folks in charge of Disney that the wokeness is going to stop, immediately. Quite a few of the top people are getting quietly shoved out the door, especially the ones who managed to screw up the Star Wars franchise.

That also means that a bunch of that Chinese "cooperation" is going away too, since the massive sales they were promised from the Chinese market haven't materialized in anywhere near the amounts they expected.


You don't sound like someone that is very successful.
 
2020-09-10 10:40:37 PM  

vestona22: TDWCom29: vestona22: Naido: Naido:

Sorry for the political rant in the Entertainment tab

Unfortunately they've kinda become the same thing these days.  I hate to admit how much I've learned about the world from South Park, but they see to do a better job than major media.  Maybe not giving two, um, cares has something to do with it.

Wow, you get all your politics from South Park anddon't care? How can we all be so cool?

No I don't get all my politics from South Park.  That would be stupid. But how many people here understood the Winnie the Pooh reference and of those, how many only understood it because of SP?  Major US media never seemed to report it, nor did they report on the influence of Chinese censorship on US content.  If Trump did what China's been doing for years the lefts' heads would implode.


John Oliver, now a subsidiary of South Park.
Xi Jinping: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
Youtube OubM8bD9kck

It is possible that you're learning so much from South Park because you're not consuming other sources that could teach you this stuff. Better than not knowing it at all, but think of what you're missing that Trey and Matt haven gotten to yet.
 
2020-09-10 11:14:02 PM  

DoBeDoBeLurk: vestona22: TDWCom29: vestona22: Naido: Naido:

Sorry for the political rant in the Entertainment tab

Unfortunately they've kinda become the same thing these days.  I hate to admit how much I've learned about the world from South Park, but they see to do a better job than major media.  Maybe not giving two, um, cares has something to do with it.

Wow, you get all your politics from South Park anddon't care? How can we all be so cool?

No I don't get all my politics from South Park.  That would be stupid. But how many people here understood the Winnie the Pooh reference and of those, how many only understood it because of SP?  Major US media never seemed to report it, nor did they report on the influence of Chinese censorship on US content.  If Trump did what China's been doing for years the lefts' heads would implode.

John Oliver, now a subsidiary of South Park.
[YouTube video: Xi Jinping: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)]
It is possible that you're learning so much from South Park because you're not consuming other sources that could teach you this stuff. Better than not knowing it at all, but think of what you're missing that Trey and Matt haven gotten to yet.


Entirely possible.  But is HBO considered major media?  Still I'd argue most don't understand the depth of Chinese influence on American freedom of speech.
 
2020-09-10 11:41:15 PM  

Naido: brizzle365: Naido: [Fark user image 400x373]

I was going to go for the same sentiment, but spent too much time trying to figure out how to laugh in mandarin.

Fark China, and fark everyone who defends maintaining business as usual with them.

It would be disastrous to pull all business out of there immediately, but we should be moving toward pulling out.  And we should cease to place more business there.

The whole idea that free market participation would lead to a more liberal country in general?  That's shot to hell.  They're now using our mania for cheap labor to fund themselves while becoming even more horrific.  It should matter.  They're doing evil things to people and we give them money while we're trying to fight things that (while horrible and worthy of fighting) aren't half as bad.  At some point we have to take an honest look at ourselves


/ be nice but,the  same bastards will gear up and use the hermit kingdom for slave labor when it is politically viable
 
2020-09-11 12:55:55 AM  

vestona22: TDWCom29: vestona22: Naido: Naido:

Sorry for the political rant in the Entertainment tab

Unfortunately they've kinda become the same thing these days.  I hate to admit how much I've learned about the world from South Park, but they see to do a better job than major media.  Maybe not giving two, um, cares has something to do with it.

Wow, you get all your politics from South Park anddon't care? How can we all be so cool?

No I don't get all my politics from South Park.  That would be stupid. But how many people here understood the Winnie the Pooh reference and of those, how many only understood it because of SP?  Major US media never seemed to report it, nor did they report on the influence of Chinese censorship on US content.  If Trump did what China's been doing for years the lefts' heads would implode.


Yes, a bunch of people mocking Xi with pooh-bear is the big story of the century that south park broke and the regular media won't talk about.

Media that had an article about it per the first couple pages of google returns:
The Guardian.
The BBC
NYT
CNBC
CBS
ABC
CNN
Fox


Now, I assume you aren't actually that concerned with winnie the pooh, but rather the overarching story of Xi and censorship in general.  I assure you, the media has devoted quite a bit of time to that. I don't even know what the point of your last sentence was, other than some weird swipe at liberals.
 
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