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(Metro)   The UK to roll out plan costing upwards of £100,000,000,000 to try and save Christmas from Covid-19   (metro.co.uk) divider line
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2020-09-10 9:31:25 AM  
TFA implies that Boris has promised this extra testing but that another minister has admitted the tech isn't ready. The same paper ran an article the day before that showed Boris was clearly aware of this.

'We are working hard to increase our testing capacity to 500,000 tests a day by the end of October. 'But in future, in the near future, we hope, we want to start using testing to identify people who are negative, who don't have coronavirus, who are not infectious so we can allow them to behave in a more normal way in the knowledge that they can't infect anyone else with the virus.'

The PM said rapid coronavirus tests, which can give a result in as little as 20 minutes, were crucial for mass testing. The tests are not yet readily available. He went on: 'We think, we hope, we believe, that new types of test which are simple, quick and scalable, will become available. They may use swabs or saliva and can turn around results in 90 or even 20 minutes. 'Crucially, it should be possible to deploy these tests on a far bigger scale than any country has yet achieved. Literally millions of tests are being processed every single day.'

However, Johnson said he was 'not 100% sure' the rapid test programme could be rolled out nationwide because of 'a number of challenges', including whether there were even enough materials to manufacture the test and questions over a distribution network.


So he knows they're not available yet, but knows it would be vital to have and is directing the government to work to achieve it. Isn't that exactly what he should be doing? How is this a bad thing?
 
2020-09-10 1:14:38 PM  
At least they didnt wait till the last minute.
 
2020-09-10 1:19:04 PM  
Stay home. Stay safe. Save money by telling the kiddos Santa didn't make through the pandemic, but their gift will come in the form of a vaccine.
 
2020-09-10 1:20:41 PM  
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2020-09-10 1:22:31 PM  
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2020-09-10 1:22:44 PM  
Good thing Brexit is saving them all the money. It was an investment in the future, really.
 
2020-09-10 1:23:52 PM  
Its a nice idea, if and when the technology is actually ready.

That being said...

"Papers, citizen!"
 
2020-09-10 1:27:37 PM  
The only way the UK can save Christmas is for the Doctor to regenerate.
 
2020-09-10 1:29:03 PM  
But do they know it's Christmas?
Do they Know it's Christmas ~ Band Aid 1984
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2020-09-10 1:29:44 PM  
Is that a million million pounds or thousand million pounds?  What is that is freedom units?
 
2020-09-10 1:31:07 PM  

Snort: Is that a million million pounds or thousand million pounds?  What is that is freedom units?


tree-fiddy
 
2020-09-10 1:46:09 PM  

DOCTORD000M: Good thing Brexit is saving them all the money. It was an investment in the future, really.


Besides, they're going to make the Mexicans pay for it.
 
2020-09-10 1:46:31 PM  
Is that supposed to be a big thing?  spending 100B by Christmas to stop a plague sounds like cutting corners.
 
2020-09-10 1:47:31 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: So he knows they're not available yet, but knows it would be vital to have and is directing the government to work to achieve it. Isn't that exactly what he should be doing? How is this a bad thing?


Boris promising to spend money he hasn't got? Surely not.

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2020-09-10 1:52:39 PM  
Typical Johnson/Cummings "we know better than experts" nonsense. No expert believes the tests he is promising are possible, no matter how much money he pretends he'll throw at it. In practice it will be forgotten as a notion as soon as he is distracted by a squirrel running past the window.

Meanwhile a government minister has admitted that their latest Brexit legislation breaks international law, they're trying to tear up the withdrawal agreement and our negotiators are clearly trying to bring in the no-deal Brexit in anticipation of which the entire Tory party is betting against the British economy. If only we had a word to describe people who deliberately harm their country for personal financial gain.
 
2020-09-10 1:55:02 PM  
Surely this is counting on those who test positive to stay home for two weeks?

Absolutely not going to happen, I guarantee.

It will fail and then we'll all blame the government for not being a dictatorship. Whilst also claiming he's a fascist.

Insert picture of "I stuck 9 creme eggs up my bum" testament to British common sense here.
 
2020-09-10 2:02:38 PM  
 Santa will still deliver presents because his reindeer have herd immunity.
 
2020-09-10 2:05:32 PM  

orbister: Carter Pewterschmidt: So he knows they're not available yet, but knows it would be vital to have and is directing the government to work to achieve it. Isn't that exactly what he should be doing? How is this a bad thing?

Boris promising to spend money he hasn't got? Surely not.

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That extra NHS funding, and extra £33.9 billion a year, was passed into law long before Covid happened. That is more than the £350 million a week figure, so some will come from the EU saving, the rest from taxes. Are you going to criticise a Conservative government for using tax money to increase NHS funding?

orbister: Meanwhile a government minister has admitted that their latest Brexit legislation breaks international law, they're trying to tear up the withdrawal agreement and our negotiators are clearly trying to bring in the no-deal Brexit in anticipation of which the entire Tory party is betting against the British economy. If only we had a word to describe people who deliberately harm their country for personal financial gain.


Firstly, they're not "tearing up the agreement" but producing a list of goods that will and will not need customs paperwork because the EU/UK joint committee that is supposed to produce the list hasn't agreed one yet, in it will be needed in three and a half months. The list the government will produce is only needed if the joint committee doesn't produce one in time and will be instantly superseded by the official list the moment they do agree one.
Secondly, Johnson's action was in response to the EU threatening to ban all food shipments from Great Britain to Northern Ireland. Barnier was literally threatening to starve the people of NI to put pressure on the UK to capitulate and agree to their trade deal demands.
Of course the EU are claiming this is "fake news" and "misinformation".


Slaxl: Surely this is counting on those who test positive to stay home for two weeks?

Absolutely not going to happen, I guarantee.


Why not? The UK has good sick pay laws. If I was ordered to take a two week paid vacation at home I'd do it.
 
2020-09-10 2:09:43 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: orbister: Carter Pewterschmidt: So he knows they're not available yet, but knows it would be vital to have and is directing the government to work to achieve it. Isn't that exactly what he should be doing? How is this a bad thing?

Boris promising to spend money he hasn't got? Surely not.

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That extra NHS funding, and extra £33.9 billion a year, was passed into law long before Covid happened. That is more than the £350 million a week figure, so some will come from the EU saving, the rest from taxes. Are you going to criticise a Conservative government for using tax money to increase NHS funding?

orbister: Meanwhile a government minister has admitted that their latest Brexit legislation breaks international law, they're trying to tear up the withdrawal agreement and our negotiators are clearly trying to bring in the no-deal Brexit in anticipation of which the entire Tory party is betting against the British economy. If only we had a word to describe people who deliberately harm their country for personal financial gain.

Firstly, they're not "tearing up the agreement" but producing a list of goods that will and will not need customs paperwork because the EU/UK joint committee that is supposed to produce the list hasn't agreed one yet, in it will be needed in three and a half months. The list the government will produce is only needed if the joint committee doesn't produce one in time and will be instantly superseded by the official list the moment they do agree one.
Secondly, Johnson's action was in response to the EU threatening to ban all food shipments from Great Britain to Northern Ireland. Barnier was literally threatening to starve the people of NI to put pressure on the UK to capitulate and agree to their trade deal demands.
Of course the EU are claiming this is "fake news" and "misinformation".


Slaxl: Surely this is counting on those who test positive to stay home for two weeks?

Absolutely not going to happen, I guarantee.

Why not? The UK has good sick pay laws. If I was ordered to take a two week paid vacation at home I'd do it.


Statutory Sick Pay is (I think) less than £100 per week, only payable if you are sick (not sure if quarantine counts) and is irrelevant if you are self employed.

Wooooooo! Easy life here I come!
 
2020-09-10 2:18:01 PM  

Pert: Statutory Sick Pay is (I think) less than £100 per week, only payable if you are sick (not sure if quarantine counts) and is irrelevant if you are self employed.

Wooooooo! Easy life here I come!


Lots of companies have contracts paying above SSP.  61% pay full pay according to that link. And with Corona it is paid from day one.
 
2020-09-10 3:07:31 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Pert: Statutory Sick Pay is (I think) less than £100 per week, only payable if you are sick (not sure if quarantine counts) and is irrelevant if you are self employed.

Wooooooo! Easy life here I come!

Lots of companies have contracts paying above SSP.  61% pay full pay according to that link. And with Corona it is paid from day one.


Which is great if you are contracted to get that much sick pay but sucks donkey balls if you aren't. If you are self employed or stuck on zero hour contracts it will be worse than sucking donkey balls.

Covid 19 plans have to work for all.
 
2020-09-10 3:15:36 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: That extra NHS funding, and extra £33.9 billion a year, was passed into law long before Covid happened. That is more than the £350 million a week figure, so some will come from the EU saving, the rest from taxes. Are you going to criticise a Conservative government for using tax money to increase NHS funding?


He said he was going to use the money saved from leaving the EU. In fact, as we all know, customs procedures alone will cost more than the savings; Brexit is a money pit and any increased funding for the NHS is despite it, not because of it.

And yes, it is abundantly clear that the Tories are now going for a no-deal Brexit, even if it means breaking a treaty and international law to achieve it.
 
2020-09-10 3:39:04 PM  
Carter Pewterschmidt:
That extra NHS funding, and extra £33.9 billion a year, was passed into law long before Covid happened. That is more than the £350 million a week figure, so some will come from the EU saving, the rest from taxes. Are you going to criticise a Conservative government for using tax money to increase NHS funding?

EU saving?

Surely the loss of trade outweighs the contribution the UK made to the EU.
 
2020-09-10 4:07:28 PM  
Didn't BoJo admit he'd been lying about the #350M being sent to the EU?

And where's he going to find the money when the EU goes to court for him breaking international treaties and laws, and the UK gets find and taxed for their exports?
 
2020-09-10 4:53:00 PM  
Why would this be necessary when Boris has repeatedly described the UK's previous Covid-19 measures as "world beating"?

Why it's almost as though he's a habitual liar whose claims are filled with worthless superlatives and only an utter and total coont would give any credence to what he says.
 
2020-09-10 6:05:17 PM  

I'm no expert but...: Which is great if you are contracted to get that much sick pay but sucks donkey balls if you aren't. If you are self employed or stuck on zero hour contracts it will be worse than sucking donkey balls.

Covid 19 plans have to work for all.


Workers on zero hour contracts can still get it. As for "working for all" this is a totally unprecedented situation requiring emergency responses. Policy decisions like these usually take years and come after huge studies, debates, trial runs etc and even then there are usually winners and losers.  I don't think any country in the world has found some magic system that works perfectly for everyone.

orbister: He said he was going to use the money saved from leaving the EU. In fact, as we all know, customs procedures alone will cost more than the savings


Cite? Over half the UK trade is with the rest of the world and involves customs and export paperwork, tariffs, declarations etc. The EU trades with the USA, China and a hundred other countries without free trade deals. Yet that trade thrives.
In fact, as one Farker insisted on pointing  out to me, the USA overtook the UK on trade with the EU27 a couple of years ago, despite the UK having totally free and frictionless trade and the USA having to fill out customs paperwork and pay tariffs. So it is clear that it can't be that much a barrier to trade.

Ketchuponsteak: EU saving?

Surely the loss of trade outweighs the contribution the UK made to the EU.


And if the UK signs trade deals with other countries, even joining the TPP, that trade could more than make up for it. Physical proximity today is hardly the limiting factor. For several years now Scottish fish is farmed in Scotland, packed on ice and shipped to China to be filleted before being shipped back to Scotland to be packaged and sold. The UK had a thriving trade with New Zealand in lamb and butter before joining the EU forced us to impose tariffs on that trade killing it off and pissing off the Kiwi's.

whitroth: And where's he going to find the money when the EU goes to court for him breaking international treaties and laws, and the UK gets find and taxed for their exports?


Are you suggesting being taxed on exports would be linked to breaking a treaty? How would that work? If the EU taxes UK exports then (a) they'd have to impose the same tariffs on the rest of the world for those goods, unless they have a free trade deal, and (b) the UK would be able to impose similar tariffs on EU exports to the UK. If the EU hurt UK manufacturers then the UK could hurt EU manufacturers. Are you actually encouraging the EU to go down the protectionist route? I thought free trade was a good thing?

You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: Why would this be necessary when Boris has repeatedly described the UK's previous Covid-19 measures as "world beating"?


They are not mutually exclusive. Even New Zealand which has done fantastically well has had to recently take further measures to deal with a second wave. Are you saying Boris shouldn't bother doing more to combat a recent increase in cases? Even Nicola Sturgeon in Scotland has had to take increased measures in recent days.
 
2020-09-11 5:30:26 AM  
I have to say that I have a degree of admiration for someone so doggedly defending a Prime Minister who has no fixed or consistent positions on anything. It suggests a quite remarkable degree of cognitive dissonance.
 
2020-09-11 6:32:28 AM  
Carter Pewterschmidt:

Ketchuponsteak: EU saving?

Surely the loss of trade outweighs the contribution the UK made to the EU.

And if the UK signs trade deals with other countries, even joining the TPP, that trade could more than make up for it. Physical proximity today is hardly the limiting factor. For several years now Scottish fish is farmed in Scotland, packed on ice and shipped to China to be filleted before being shipped back to Scotland to be packaged and sold. The UK had a thriving trade with New Zealand in lamb and butter before joining the EU forced us to impose tariffs on that trade killing it off and pissing off the Kiwi's ...


I think you're living in a fantasy world.

Of course now, and for years, it'll be hard to get numbers because there's something else farking everyone economy (some more than others).
 
2020-09-11 8:43:58 AM  
Fun fact: about 75% of all retail profits are made in the Christmas Season. You think the economy was bad in 2020, you ain't seen nothing yet.

Reminds me of the old joke about the man who lives downstairs from a boiler maker. Every night the boiler maker takes off his clod-hoppers before getting in bed. The man downstairs knows he won't get to sleep until this happens. So every night he listens for the reassuring KLUMP! followed a moment later by the second KLUMP! of Frankstein Monster Boot hitting the floor above.

Then one night he listens and counts Klump! one. Klump! two.  And just as he turns over to go to sleep, comes the punch line:  KLUMP! Three!

Nobody sleeps that night. Somebody is getting buggered, or else Frankenstein's Monster has found His Bride.
 
2020-09-11 4:32:40 PM  

Birnone: Santa will still deliver presents because his reindeer have herd immunity.


If you never leave your mom's basement, you have nerd immunity.
 
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