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2020-09-09 8:12:55 AM  
I read a term recently saying we are in a "cold civil war".   No north v. South...but plenty of neighbor v. neighbor violence and antipathy.
 
2020-09-09 8:19:20 AM  

Chris Ween: I read a term recently saying we are in a "cold civil war".   No north v. South...but plenty of neighbor v. neighbor violence and antipathy.


It's now rural vs urban, with the mindsets of what's good for society vs pure individualism. And it's ironically the wannabe individualists who are in favor of the oligarchy and a potential dictatorship.
 
2020-09-09 8:20:18 AM  
Do you have any idea how fat and lazy we are?

Just pick paintball teams and whomever wins gets to destroy the country.
 
2020-09-09 9:56:05 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Just pick paintball teams and whomever wins gets to destroy the country.


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2020-09-09 10:21:07 AM  
Basically, we raised a couple of generations of rightwingers to have no connection with reality. They will do anything they're told even if it's at odds with facts and logic and decency.

I don't know how you solve that without things getting messy.
 
2020-09-09 10:40:24 AM  

SoupGuru: Basically, we raised a couple of generations of rightwingers to have no connection with reality. They will do anything they're told even if it's at odds with facts and logic and decency.

I don't know how you solve that without things getting messy.


Messy is the best-case scenario.
 
2020-09-09 10:41:40 AM  
Exactly. 90% of the loudest keyboard warriors who go on and on  about civil war and armed rebellions couldn't go more than 2 days without air conditioning and readily available snacks.
 
2020-09-09 10:42:11 AM  

SoupGuru: Basically, we raised a couple of generations of rightwingers to have no connection with reality. They will do anything they're told even if it's at odds with facts and logic and decency.

I don't know how you solve that without things getting messy.


Two generations of people who have been deliberately intellectually and emotionally stunted in order to form a powerful voting block.

The rightwing noise machine has figured out how to weaponize mass stupidity.
 
2020-09-09 10:42:29 AM  
Alternet is just the farking Breitbart of the left.  And I say that as a proud lefty.

Stop getting your news & opinion from fringe sources.
 
2020-09-09 10:42:30 AM  
Alter.net says no?

Not only possible, then, but probably unavoidable.
 
2020-09-09 10:42:32 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Chris Ween: I read a term recently saying we are in a "cold civil war".   No north v. South...but plenty of neighbor v. neighbor violence and antipathy.

It's now rural vs urban, with the mindsets of what's good for society vs pure individualism. And it's ironically the wannabe individualists who are in favor of the oligarchy and a potential dictatorship.


No, as with everything you post this is a simplistic understanding. There are liberals and conservatives in every region of the country.
 
2020-09-09 10:43:01 AM  
First, it would be called the Trump War.

Second, there are alread plaques,monuments, and graves shovel-ready for an exciting new set of golf courses with giant flags.

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2020-09-09 10:44:28 AM  

Tad_Waxpole: Alternet is just the farking Breitbart of the left.  And I say that as a proud lefty.

Stop getting your news & opinion from fringe sources.


I feel like until two weeks ago I hadn't seen a farking alternet link since 2016, and suddenly they're getting greened daily.
 
2020-09-09 10:45:23 AM  
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2020-09-09 10:45:51 AM  
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It's almost scary how much of this podcast is starting to happen.
 
2020-09-09 10:46:31 AM  
I think we have to acknowledge that America is too big and too different to be a cohesive nation, and it's time to divide into two countries. We can have America, which consists of all the educated areas with manufacturing and technology and infrastructure on the coasts, Illinois, and maybe Wisconsin and Michigan.

The trumpers can have Dumbf*ckistan.
 
2020-09-09 10:46:45 AM  
Anything is possible. A completely conventional war between two powers that have an excess of nukes on the same continent with members of the Cult of the Red Hat on one side? I'd expect them to get dressed up as Templars and launch whilst screaming "DEUS VOLT!".
 
2020-09-09 10:47:56 AM  

stk: [Fark user image image 350x197]
It's almost scary how much of this podcast is starting to happen.


Right?

Also, of note, I find it interesting that the people who demand the most individual freedom embrace a president who espouses the exact opposite of that. Well he wants all the love and attention and rights and good things. Just for him.
 
2020-09-09 10:48:34 AM  

SoupGuru: I don't know how you solve that without things getting messy.


You know that's a fetish, don't you?
 
2020-09-09 10:48:45 AM  
I think you are going to see more and more states just ignore the federal government and do their own thing, legally.

Sanctuary cities and legalized Pot is laying the groundwork for it.
 
2020-09-09 10:48:47 AM  
We're much more likely to see a "Troubles" style insurgency.  With the police and federal law enforcement on the side of the paramilitaries, regardless of who's in charge at the elected level.
 
2020-09-09 10:48:52 AM  
The United States is basically a conglomeration of smaller nations.

Maybe it's time to just go our separate ways. No need for bloodshed.
 
2020-09-09 10:49:09 AM  

usahole: AdmirableSnackbar: Chris Ween: I read a term recently saying we are in a "cold civil war".   No north v. South...but plenty of neighbor v. neighbor violence and antipathy.

It's now rural vs urban, with the mindsets of what's good for society vs pure individualism. And it's ironically the wannabe individualists who are in favor of the oligarchy and a potential dictatorship.

No, as with everything you post this is a simplistic understanding. There are liberals and conservatives in every region of the country.


Wow, you're saying liberals exist in rural areas and there are conservatives who live in cities? I never knew! Surely I wasn't talking about the majority of the populace of both regions, how they vote, and their points of view, but indeed saying that only liberals live in cities and only conservatives live in rural areas, a point which I never made. Perhaps you'll have something more to contribute to this thread than your straw man here, but I doubt it.
 
2020-09-09 10:49:32 AM  
Trump was a declaration of war and it's time we respond in kind. Free opioids for coal miners, national punch a farmer day, and a ban on those stupid sunglasses that yelling at their phone while driving video guys wear would be a start.
 
2020-09-09 10:49:41 AM  

The Madd Mann: I think we have to acknowledge that America is too big and too different to be a cohesive nation, and it's time to divide into two countries. We can have America, which consists of all the educated areas with manufacturing and technology and infrastructure on the coasts, Illinois, and maybe Wisconsin and Michigan.

The trumpers can have Dumbf*ckistan.


Because that worked out sooooo well for India and Pakistan.
 
2020-09-09 10:49:45 AM  

Chris Ween: I read a term recently saying we are in a "cold civil war".   No north v. South...but plenty of neighbor v. neighbor violence and antipathy.


That really rings true, it's a good description.

I'd like to add that the "conservative" side, especially in the age of Trump, shares a lot of characteristics and values of our old cold war opponents, which I find endlessly paradoxical. Or maybe counterintuitive. Or ironic, or something.
 
2020-09-09 10:49:45 AM  
Interesting, well-considered, AFAICT completely accurate piece. I think I'll buy the book it was excerpted from.
 
2020-09-09 10:49:49 AM  

usahole: AdmirableSnackbar: Chris Ween: I read a term recently saying we are in a "cold civil war".   No north v. South...but plenty of neighbor v. neighbor violence and antipathy.

It's now rural vs urban, with the mindsets of what's good for society vs pure individualism. And it's ironically the wannabe individualists who are in favor of the oligarchy and a potential dictatorship.

No, as with everything you post this is a simplistic understanding. There are liberals and conservatives in every region of the country.


Came to say the same thing.

The boat Parades in Palm Beach and other places are not exactly rural.
 
2020-09-09 10:50:03 AM  
I've always said that the only way a Second American Civil War can occur is if different parts of the government are on different sides.  IE, on one side is this army base, this marine barracks (after the grunts fragged their leaders), this national guard barracks, and this major city police force, and on the other side is the FBI, this air force base, this navy base, etc.  If it's merely a bunch of armed hicks (or antifa or whatever) versus the armynavyairforcesmarines, the latter group will squash the former in about 7.4 seconds.
 
2020-09-09 10:50:04 AM  
I mean, what would happen if, two or three times in 20 years, the candidate who won the most support from the country in the Presidential election did not get to be President, and also if Congressional representation went more to land than people (meaning that a majority of people were represented by a minority of Congresspeople), and if public policy was driven not by the public at all (but by a very few business interests), and if the entire mechanism of elections (from district boundaries to campaign finance to lobbying/bribery) was farked?

That'd be a real dystopia, for sure.

// it's not like Americans care about being taxed without being adequately represented, right?
 
2020-09-09 10:50:11 AM  

The Madd Mann: I think we have to acknowledge that America is too big and too different to be a cohesive nation, and it's time to divide into two countries. We can have America, which consists of all the educated areas with manufacturing and technology and infrastructure on the coasts, Illinois, and maybe Wisconsin and Michigan.

The trumpers can have Dumbf*ckistan.


Or we just cut off corporate influence and break up all these mega media companies and internet companies up from being mega corporations that dictate what we watch and how we watch it and start smothering the lies with the pillow of truth and reality and facts.
 
2020-09-09 10:50:20 AM  
Is it possible? Well, you're already in it, so yeah it's possible. You have armed Trumpers driving in to cities to shoot pepper spray, paintballs, and just the other day even beat people with baseball bats, in broad daylight.

About a week ago Kyle Rittenhouse shot and killed 2 and maimed another during protests, and in Portland another man was shot after one of these Trumper truck rallies drove through the city.

What do you mean is it possible? You've already seen the first child solider of the New Age Confederacy make the first kills.  If you're expecting the North and the South to wear blue and gray uniforms and line up on either side of Bunker Hill then you have no concept of what modern urban warfare looks like. It's not open guns in the streets, or IED's being laid in roadways, but it's already here.
 
2020-09-09 10:51:34 AM  

chknjetski: The United States is basically a conglomeration of smaller nations.

Maybe it's time to just go our separate ways. No need for bloodshed.


There would end up being blood shed when the wealthy and smart states separate from the red states states and the federal welfare spigot ends for the Republican states. They'll end up invading or running terrorist operations - they've had plenty of practice already - against the blue states.
 
2020-09-09 10:52:04 AM  

dwrash: I think you are going to see more and more states just ignore the federal government and do their own thing, legally.

Sanctuary cities and legalized Pot is laying the groundwork for it.


Isn't that a modern conservative ideal though? To break up the power of the federal government over states rights?
 
2020-09-09 10:52:30 AM  

SoupGuru: Basically, we raised a couple of generations of rightwingers to have no connection with reality. They will do anything they're told even if it's at odds with facts and logic and decency.

I don't know how you solve that without things getting messy.


Al Franken talked about this in his book about the Senate. He basically said that there were many people on the other side that had different viewpoints but that he could still argue and work with them. But he hit a brick wall with Ted Cruz, who openly lied to him (said something and then a week later proclaimed "I never said that.") and blatantly misrepresented study findings. He said there was no way to work with someone who refused to acknowledge basic reality. This is a huge problem with Trump's GOP today.

/I voted for Franken two times, the first with great hesitation and the second with enthusiasm. I'd vote for him if he ran again.
 
2020-09-09 10:52:56 AM  

dwrash: I think you are going to see more and more states just ignore the federal government and do their own thing, legally.

Sanctuary cities and legalized Pot is laying the groundwork for it.


Your forgot gay marriage and abortion. So it's really the liberals fault?
 
2020-09-09 10:53:11 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: chknjetski: The United States is basically a conglomeration of smaller nations.

Maybe it's time to just go our separate ways. No need for bloodshed.

There would end up being blood shed when the wealthy and smart states separate from the red states states and the federal welfare spigot ends for the Republican states. They'll end up invading or running terrorist operations - they've had plenty of practice already - against the blue states.


The red states can adjust to these types of changes a lot easier than the blue states.  I honestly don't think red states would bat an eye.. they would just make do.  While the drama queens in the red states would go ape shiat.
 
2020-09-09 10:54:04 AM  

stk: [Fark user image 350x197]
It's almost scary how much of this podcast is starting to happen.


^^^^^THIS^^^^^

The GOP is trying to turn the US into an authoritarian government to remain in power. No civil war necessary.
 
2020-09-09 10:54:22 AM  

Chris Ween: I read a term recently saying we are in a "cold civil war".   No north v. South...but plenty of neighbor v. neighbor violence and antipathy.


It won't be a civil war. It'll be an insurgency with varying factions, some allied with the state.

It won't take much to paralyze a US city. Look at the Boston marathon bombing. 

My biggest fear is the Dominionists.
 
2020-09-09 10:54:29 AM  

MechaPyx: The Madd Mann: I think we have to acknowledge that America is too big and too different to be a cohesive nation, and it's time to divide into two countries. We can have America, which consists of all the educated areas with manufacturing and technology and infrastructure on the coasts, Illinois, and maybe Wisconsin and Michigan.

The trumpers can have Dumbf*ckistan.

Because that worked out sooooo well for India and Pakistan.


Stop poking holes in his dream. Errybody knows that the west coast is going to turn into a hippie tech monkey utopia where everyone come on people now, people now.

Never mind that just about every state is baboon ass red outside the cities.
 
2020-09-09 10:55:41 AM  
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2020-09-09 10:56:08 AM  
Right now it's Timothy McVeigh wannabes vs anarchists with a romantic vision of "fighting the system".
It's basically two gangs going at it in terms violence, with the referees (the cops) being partial to one side ( the Timothy McVeigh brigades)
 
2020-09-09 10:56:12 AM  

dwrash: AdmirableSnackbar: chknjetski: The United States is basically a conglomeration of smaller nations.

Maybe it's time to just go our separate ways. No need for bloodshed.

There would end up being blood shed when the wealthy and smart states separate from the red states states and the federal welfare spigot ends for the Republican states. They'll end up invading or running terrorist operations - they've had plenty of practice already - against the blue states.

The red states can adjust to these types of changes a lot easier than the blue states.  I honestly don't think red states would bat an eye.. they would just make do.  While the drama queens in the red states would go ape shiat.


I'm sure you realize the tax hikes that would have to go in to effect just to cover the difference of losing out on federal funding in red states.

That would be a pill to swallow that they wouldn't be able to reconcile with. Especially as most of the taxes goes towards big corporate farms and corporate businesses. Red states would revolt in to chaos.
 
2020-09-09 10:57:23 AM  
For those of you responding to the attention-grabbing headline, what's being examined is whether the oligarchy has advanced its control over the nation so far that it can't be overthrown, _not_ whether our culture is capable of devolving, or likely to devolve, or has already devolved, into large scale sectarian violence.
 
2020-09-09 10:57:32 AM  

detonator: Right now it's Timothy McVeigh wannabes vs anarchists with a romantic vision of "fighting the system".
It's basically two gangs going at it in terms violence, with the referees (the cops) being partial to one side ( the Timothy McVeigh brigades)


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2020-09-09 10:57:52 AM  

dwrash: AdmirableSnackbar: chknjetski: The United States is basically a conglomeration of smaller nations.

Maybe it's time to just go our separate ways. No need for bloodshed.

There would end up being blood shed when the wealthy and smart states separate from the red states states and the federal welfare spigot ends for the Republican states. They'll end up invading or running terrorist operations - they've had plenty of practice already - against the blue states.

The red states can adjust to these types of changes a lot easier than the blue states.  I honestly don't think red states would bat an eye.. they would just make do.  While the drama queens in the red states would go ape shiat.


Red states have no infrastructure to speak of, nor do they have the wealth or cooperative nature to develop their own infrastructures to build up their own states. fark's sake, rural states can't keep their schools or hospitals open without federal funds - or even with them. Yeah, I'm sure they'll adjust super easy and will make blue states look silly in no time.
 
2020-09-09 10:58:09 AM  

Night Train to Wakanda: I'm sure you realize the tax hikes that would have to go in to effect just to cover the difference of losing out on federal funding in red states.

That would be a pill to swallow that they wouldn't be able to reconcile with. Especially as most of the taxes goes towards big corporate farms and corporate businesses. Red states would revolt in to chaos.


Those could be very easily compensated for by jacking up the prices of food, natural resources and manufactured goods that the red states sell to the blue states.
 
2020-09-09 10:59:25 AM  
If it happens

How many guns you have, ammo, position, prep, none of it will matter.

Those already strong enough and healthy enough to get by with nothing will thrive.

The fat, the comfortable, the wealthy... they are reduced to nothing but goodie bags with tricky means of access.

You will be worn down and defeated in that world. And the rules of chaos alone will dictate who will replace you.

/and thus "every revolution bears with it the seeds of its own destruction"
 
2020-09-09 10:59:45 AM  
Your blog sucks.
 
2020-09-09 10:59:53 AM  
Not only is it possible, it is unavoidable. The liberals are insane!

-
every suburban/rural white man in MN
 
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