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(New Musical Express)   Seriously, youthful musicians, stop trying to cover Leonard Cohen songs. It never works   (nme.com) divider line
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2020-09-09 7:25:09 AM  
Rufus makes it work.
 
2020-09-09 7:36:02 AM  
Jeff Buckley did it well but he's dead so I guess he paid the price.
 
2020-09-09 7:39:06 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: Jeff Buckley did it well but he's dead so I guess he paid the price.


"Did it well" is an understatement, his version is the definitive one.
 
2020-09-09 7:39:32 AM  
k.d. lang has a nice cover, Nicole Atkins as well.
 
2020-09-09 7:54:05 AM  
"seriously shiatty youthful musicians should stop trying to cover leonard cohen songs"

FTFY subs
 
2020-09-09 7:55:52 AM  

luna1580: musicians should stop trying to cover song

FTFY subs


Fif everyone
 
2020-09-09 7:56:15 AM  

Ker_Thwap: k.d. lang has a nice cover, Nicole Atkins as well.


I know KD Lang from when she was on the Muppet Show
 
2020-09-09 7:56:26 AM  
[OFFICIAL VIDEO] Hallelujah - Pentatonix
Youtube LRP8d7hhpoQ


You know nothing, subby.
 
2020-09-09 8:00:12 AM  
Yeah, kids, George M. Cohan is where it's at now!

Yankee Doodle Dandy - Jimmy Cagney
Youtube N8wxb-wwQnA
 
2020-09-09 8:01:46 AM  

CarnySaur: Yeah, kids, George M. Cohan is where it's at now!

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/N8wxb-ww​QnA]


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2020-09-09 8:03:27 AM  
As someone who did a techno/new wave version of Suzanne in a high school garage band in the 90s, I concur with subby. Quit trying to guild the lily.
 
2020-09-09 8:19:09 AM  
Don't be goin' coverin' Cohen.

(See - ya have to capture youths attention with a catchy slogan otherwise they just shrug you off as a square - ya dig?)
 
2020-09-09 8:22:55 AM  
The Civil Wars did a good job

The Civil Wars - Dance Me to the End of Love (slide show)
Youtube W0LZ4wMV3zw
 
2020-09-09 8:37:46 AM  

BullBearMS: [YouTube video: [OFFICIAL VIDEO] Hallelujah - Pentatonix]

You know nothing, subby.


I find all their stuff oddly soulless.
 
2020-09-09 8:43:18 AM  

RogueWallEnthusiast: BullBearMS: [YouTube video: [OFFICIAL VIDEO] Hallelujah - Pentatonix]

You know nothing, subby.

I find all their stuff oddly soulless.


Perhaps you should try something sufficiently autotuned?
 
2020-09-09 8:56:17 AM  

BullBearMS: [iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/LRP8d7hh​poQ?autoplay=1&widget_referrer=https%3​A%2F%2Fwww.fark.com&start=0&enablejsap​i=1&origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fark.com&​widgetid=1]

You know nothing, subby.


pentatonix is the exception to every rule.
 
2020-09-09 8:58:37 AM  
The problem I have with a lot of Cohen covers, especially of "Hallelujah", is that they miss the fact that Cohen is sarcastic as hell and a lot of his songs are darkly humorous, with a deep sense of irony.  That doesn't mean that the emotion in them is fake, just that Cohen kind of mocks it at the same time he embraces it.

"Hallelujah", in particular, has become a chance for singers to show how much they can belt one out, which misses the point.  It's for singers what the end solo of "Comfortably Numb" is for guitar players.
 
2020-09-09 9:03:10 AM  
If I never hear another cover of "Hallelujah", it'll be too soon.

/especially by those who think it's a religious song
 
2020-09-09 9:03:22 AM  

Ambivalence: BullBearMS: [iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/LRP8d7hh​poQ?autoplay=1&widget_referrer=https%3​A%2F%2Fwww.fark.com&start=0&enablejsap​i=1&origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fark.com&​widgetid=1]

You know nothing, subby.

pentatonix is the exception to every rule.


Their early days
 
2020-09-09 9:04:55 AM  

Ker_Thwap: k.d. lang has a nice cover, Nicole Atkins as well.


Yes. Lang covered Hallelujah and Bird On the Wire beautifully.  Maybe my favorite version of Bird On the Wire.

But she was hardly young when she did.
 
2020-09-09 9:06:35 AM  
Johnette begs to differ...

Concrete Blonde - Everybody Knows
Youtube l5Fb4K8pNmg
 
2020-09-09 9:06:44 AM  

puckrock2000: If I never hear another cover of "Hallelujah", it'll be too soon.

/especially by those who think it's a religious song


Oh, it's religious.  Just not the way the think. As in, losing my religion.
 
2020-09-09 9:07:14 AM  
This one worked for some kids.
Pixies - I Can't Forget (Leonard Cohen cover)
Youtube tEWJsYDdW_E
 
2020-09-09 9:15:59 AM  

BullBearMS: RogueWallEnthusiast: BullBearMS: [YouTube video: [OFFICIAL VIDEO] Hallelujah - Pentatonix]

You know nothing, subby.

I find all their stuff oddly soulless.

Perhaps you should try something sufficiently autotuned?


I think it's a fair criticism of Pentatonix. They're obviously very talented, but their recordings are so slick and fussed over that the material loses some of its soul.

And no, Pentatonix doesn't use autotune in the T-Pain sense, but you're fooling yourself if you don't think the video that you posted doesn't use pitch correction...
 
2020-09-09 9:20:46 AM  
I absolutely love Leonard Cohen and anything that keeps his music in people's ears is ok in my book.
 
2020-09-09 9:58:10 AM  

physt: Rufus makes it work.


Had no idea he did this.

Chaka Khan and Rufus - Tell me something Good (RE-MASTERED) Official Video HD
Youtube cm_cFzVAoo8
 
2020-09-09 9:59:32 AM  

Eddie Hazel's E string: BullBearMS: RogueWallEnthusiast: BullBearMS: [YouTube video: [OFFICIAL VIDEO] Hallelujah - Pentatonix]

You know nothing, subby.

I find all their stuff oddly soulless.

Perhaps you should try something sufficiently autotuned?

I think it's a fair criticism of Pentatonix. They're obviously very talented, but their recordings are so slick and fussed over that the material loses some of its soul.

And no, Pentatonix doesn't use autotune in the T-Pain sense, but you're fooling yourself if you don't think the video that you posted doesn't use pitch correction...


Pentatonix very famously performs the same songs in the same manner live.

The studio version changes the volume levels dynamically depending on who is singing what, (which is something the guy at the mixing board at a local venue won't be able to get right) but they don't need pitch correction.  At all.
 
2020-09-09 10:01:51 AM  
Avalanche (2009 Remastered Version)
Youtube tX1vVP1Tb64
 
2020-09-09 10:03:27 AM  
I used to prefer John Cale's version, but I have a soft spot for Gord Downie.

Gord Downie Hallelujah
Youtube DYNTZGUZdz0
 
2020-09-09 10:06:16 AM  

spaceherpes: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/tX1vVP1T​b64]


Ghost - 12 - Avalanche
Youtube dCKachhUqn4
 
2020-09-09 10:08:05 AM  

BullBearMS: Pentatonix very famously performs the same songs in the same manner live.

The studio version changes the volume levels dynamically depending on who is singing what, (which is something the guy at the mixing board at a local venue won't be able to get right) but they don't need pitch correction.  At all.


I feel like I'm telling my niece that there's no Santa Claus, but here's an article where their own mixing engineer discusses using pitch correction on their recordings.

https://www.soundonsound.com/techniqu​e​s/inside-track-pentatonix

I use Melodyne for both pitch and rhythm...

[...] Pentatonix is a pop group, and not only do you want it perfectly in tune, you also want to hear some of the timbre of pitch correction, because it is part of the sound of modern pop music. Pentatonix are not sloppy or far off, so it's not like I have to clean up a mess.


Again, they're talented singers and have many fans. But I agree with the guy upthread that said they're a little "soulless" - and it's NOT because they use pitch correction / auto tune, but it's just their style and the way the present their material.
 
2020-09-09 10:14:40 AM  

Eddie Hazel's E string: Again, they're talented singers and have many fans. But I agree with the guy upthread that said they're a little "soulless" - and it's NOT because they use pitch correction / auto tune, but it's just their style and the way the present their material.


It's because they're as square as it's possible to be.  They sound like a very talented version of the Special Music part of any church service.
 
2020-09-09 10:18:36 AM  

jake_lex: The problem I have with a lot of Cohen covers, especially of "Hallelujah", is that they miss the fact that Cohen is sarcastic as hell and a lot of his songs are darkly humorous, with a deep sense of irony.  That doesn't mean that the emotion in them is fake, just that Cohen kind of mocks it at the same time he embraces it.

"Hallelujah", in particular, has become a chance for singers to show how much they can belt one out, which misses the point.  It's for singers what the end solo of "Comfortably Numb" is for guitar players.



Belting and warbling are the current trend in pop music, thanks to all of those stupid talent shows on television.

I don't blame the musicians for trying to get a paycheck, but I blame the audience for having no taste.
 
2020-09-09 10:33:40 AM  

RogueWallEnthusiast: BullBearMS: [YouTube video: [OFFICIAL VIDEO] Hallelujah - Pentatonix]

You know nothing, subby.

I find all their stuff oddly soulless.


Me too. Kind of like Mariah Carey, I can appreciate the excellent technique in the singing and, in the case of Pentatonix, the harmonies but there is no heart behind the technique. Give me someone with a less pretty voice but a lot of heart like Cohen himself. Then again, there are those with both the technique AND the heart like k d Lang or Jennifer Warnes. Lang has the definitive version of Hallelujah and Warnes "Famous Blue Raincoat" is one of the best collections of Cohen songs.

This is the first time I ever heard a Leonard Cohen song and it is still the definitive version of Suzanne for me. Teenage me spent a lot of time trying to decipher the lyrics.

Suzanne
Youtube bye2dSFw-ms
 
2020-09-09 10:54:49 AM  
Opinions. I guess everyone's got one.I happen to like Perfume Genius, and so I'd have to say that i like this cover as well. Is it for me as redefining as Redding's cover of Cooks "a change is gonna come", or in turn Franklin's cover of Otis's "respect"? No. Is it as bad as Bowie's cover of Springsteen's "It's hard to be a Saint in the City". No.
 
2020-09-09 10:58:19 AM  
Leonard Cohen - Sisters of Mercy (Serena Ryder cover)
Youtube pZdlmmxjGHY
 
2020-09-09 11:11:16 AM  

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You know nothing, subby.


They have Jesus in there singing with them. Of course they can at least make a passable cover.
 
2020-09-09 11:13:37 AM  

AintNoAmoeba: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/pZdlmmxj​GHY]


This is another great cover:

Sisters of Mercy
Youtube ajUNjIaN4lc
 
2020-09-09 11:46:11 AM  

FlashHarry: CarnySaur: Yeah, kids, George M. Cohan is where it's at now!

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I literally just watched White Heat this weekend for the first time. That movie kicks ass.

(Also, it was made before they used squibs to create gunshot effects, so every time you see bulletholes appear in glass or pipes, that was marksmen with undepowered ammo actually shooting, which is just nuts to think about- nobody used squibs in film until 1955!)
 
2020-09-09 11:54:45 AM  

Demetrius: Johnette begs to differ...

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Wow.

Here's a couple from Sandy Denny
Fairport Convention "Bird On A Wire"
Youtube xhtHD1j9PhY
 
2020-09-09 11:56:42 AM  
Fairport Convention - Suzanne (Peel Session)
Youtube OXNYEu6PoXY
 
2020-09-09 12:02:24 PM  
OK, I don't know who Perfume Genius is, but he is apparently 39, which is older than Cohen was when Bird on a Wire came out.
 
2020-09-09 12:12:52 PM  
John Cale. End of discussion.
 
2020-09-09 12:18:07 PM  
https://youtu.be/5bfkzKHeoBY

Cohen was a brilliant songwriter, and a soulful singer. Bird on a Wire wasn't one of his best songs, and covers can improve on the original.
 
2020-09-09 12:30:13 PM  
Tori Amos Famous Blue Raincoat Live
Youtube BKIX7xyAN6M


1996
 
2020-09-09 12:38:04 PM  

Demetrius: Johnette begs to differ...

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Both versions of the song were in Pump Up the Volume - Leonard at the beginning and Concrete Blonde at the end. The changes in tempo, guitar riffs, and of course Johnette's voice really change the 'spirit' of the song from resignation to outrage. Definitely my favorite cover of Cohen's original songs. A couple versions of Hallelujah are also quite good, but nothing beats the original on that one.
 
2020-09-09 12:46:20 PM  

physt: Rufus makes it work whine.


GOD, i cannot stand that nasal, whiny, self-absorbed prick.
 
2020-09-09 12:46:20 PM  

someonelse: OK, I don't know who Perfume Genius is, but he is apparently 39, which is older than Cohen was when Bird on a Wire came out.


I like some of PG's stuff. His music is incredibly personal. His first album made me feel like I was reading his diary and I actually felt guilty (not sure that's the best word) listening to it.
 
2020-09-09 12:46:44 PM  

luna1580: [YouTube video: Tori Amos Famous Blue Raincoat Live]

1996


This song is supposedly about L Ron Hubbard.
 
2020-09-09 12:47:13 PM  

NetOwl: jake_lex: The problem I have with a lot of Cohen covers, especially of "Hallelujah", is that they miss the fact that Cohen is sarcastic as hell and a lot of his songs are darkly humorous, with a deep sense of irony.  That doesn't mean that the emotion in them is fake, just that Cohen kind of mocks it at the same time he embraces it.

"Hallelujah", in particular, has become a chance for singers to show how much they can belt one out, which misses the point.  It's for singers what the end solo of "Comfortably Numb" is for guitar players.


Belting and warbling are the current trend in pop music, thanks to all of those stupid

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