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2020-09-08 11:52:40 PM  
Tick tock Mr. President, October 1st is coming up soon, better open a new gold Sharpie for that resignation letter. Pence can take the loss, pardon you, and you can say you're running in 2024 so they wouldn't dare prosecute the lead nominee. Would they?
 
2020-09-09 12:09:06 AM  
Nah.  Trump's most imminent threat is criminal charges in New York state, which are not pardonable.  Cohen is pretty obviously not the brightest bulb and may not be aware of that, but I'll bet Trump is.

The only card Trump can play to avoid that is get re-elected, and do whatever it takes to die in office.
 
2020-09-09 12:56:28 AM  
My prediction is (if Trump loses) - he's on the Trump escape plane to some country that we have no extradition treaty with and he'll never make it back to U.S. soil.   He'll be too paranoid that he'll be going to prison, no matter what U.S. state he lives in.  (If I were him, I'd be worried - for once Trump and I agree.)

So, probably some Russian friendly country, maybe even Russia, although that could be risky as well.  If he's no longer of any use to Putin, he might find himself falling out of one of Trump Tower Moscow's windows. (if only there were a Trump Tower Moscow.  They've been working on a plan but hasn't happened as of yet.)
 
2020-09-09 1:07:56 AM  
That is obvious scenario. Trump pardons everybody associated with GOP or his campaign, then resigns a day before and trusts Pence to pardon him.

My fantasy is that Pence, pissed at all the sneers he's copper, goes into hiding for a few days.

Even better,. Trump shiats in his own nest by inviting treasonist revolt, army takes him off to Guantanamo Bay and holds him incommunicado until Biden sworn in
 
2020-09-09 1:12:01 AM  

PaulRB: My prediction is (if Trump loses) - he's on the Trump escape plane to some country that we have no extradition treaty with and he'll never make it back to U.S. soil.   He'll be too paranoid that he'll be going to prison, no matter what U.S. state he lives in.  (If I were him, I'd be worried - for once Trump and I agree.)

So, probably some Russian friendly country, maybe even Russia, although that could be risky as well.  If he's no longer of any use to Putin, he might find himself falling out of one of Trump Tower Moscow's windows. (if only there were a Trump Tower Moscow.  They've been working on a plan but hasn't happened as of yet.)


That sort of exile would almost be punishment enough. Away from Mar a Lago adoring fans.

Thing is, they will go after his assets on multiple grounds - tax evasion, money laundering, bank fraud, profiting off govt  - and bankrupt him. So he won't be able to buy asylum
 
2020-09-09 1:26:03 AM  

mjjt: PaulRB: My prediction is (if Trump loses) - he's on the Trump escape plane to some country that we have no extradition treaty with and he'll never make it back to U.S. soil.   He'll be too paranoid that he'll be going to prison, no matter what U.S. state he lives in.  (If I were him, I'd be worried - for once Trump and I agree.)

So, probably some Russian friendly country, maybe even Russia, although that could be risky as well.  If he's no longer of any use to Putin, he might find himself falling out of one of Trump Tower Moscow's windows. (if only there were a Trump Tower Moscow.  They've been working on a plan but hasn't happened as of yet.)

That sort of exile would almost be punishment enough. Away from Mar a Lago adoring fans.

Thing is, they will go after his assets on multiple grounds - tax evasion, money laundering, bank fraud, profiting off govt  - and bankrupt him. So he won't be able to buy asylum


I would agree except for the fact that he probably has a Swiss bank account with a ton of stolen (from the taxpayers) money already contained within that will probably last him the rest of his life (which is likely not to be long considering his current health and diet.)  But, I guess we'll all know soon enough.
 
2020-09-09 1:26:17 AM  
You have to admit guilt to be eligible for a pardon.  Trump never will.
 
2020-09-09 1:32:36 AM  

PaulRB: mjjt: PaulRB: My prediction is (if Trump loses) - he's on the Trump escape plane to some country that we have no extradition treaty with and he'll never make it back to U.S. soil.   He'll be too paranoid that he'll be going to prison, no matter what U.S. state he lives in.  (If I were him, I'd be worried - for once Trump and I agree.)

So, probably some Russian friendly country, maybe even Russia, although that could be risky as well.  If he's no longer of any use to Putin, he might find himself falling out of one of Trump Tower Moscow's windows. (if only there were a Trump Tower Moscow.  They've been working on a plan but hasn't happened as of yet.)

That sort of exile would almost be punishment enough. Away from Mar a Lago adoring fans.

Thing is, they will go after his assets on multiple grounds - tax evasion, money laundering, bank fraud, profiting off govt  - and bankrupt him. So he won't be able to buy asylum

I would agree except for the fact that he probably has a Swiss bank account with a ton of stolen (from the taxpayers) money already contained within that will probably last him the rest of his life (which is likely not to be long considering his current health and diet.)  But, I guess we'll all know soon enough.


If that's his plan, he'd better hope that he has enough to pay off the Russian mafia. They tend to ignore unimportant and irrelevant minutiae like "international borders" and "extradition treaties" whenever they can be arsed to collect debts.
 
2020-09-09 1:46:23 AM  

mjjt: PaulRB: My prediction is (if Trump loses) - he's on the Trump escape plane to some country that we have no extradition treaty with and he'll never make it back to U.S. soil.   He'll be too paranoid that he'll be going to prison, no matter what U.S. state he lives in.  (If I were him, I'd be worried - for once Trump and I agree.)

So, probably some Russian friendly country, maybe even Russia, although that could be risky as well.  If he's no longer of any use to Putin, he might find himself falling out of one of Trump Tower Moscow's windows. (if only there were a Trump Tower Moscow.  They've been working on a plan but hasn't happened as of yet.)

That sort of exile would almost be punishment enough. Away from Mar a Lago adoring fans.

Thing is, they will go after his assets on multiple grounds - tax evasion, money laundering, bank fraud, profiting off govt  - and bankrupt him. So he won't be able to buy asylum


Stop, my penis can only get so erect...
 
2020-09-09 2:01:42 AM  
I want the Democrats to have articles of impeachment ready to approve and send to the Senate the day after the election. This weasel is going to be throwing his weight around bigly no matter what the outcome, so have 'em ready and get him the F out. Republicans can keep Pence for 4 years if they want to, but I would really hope that even Mitch McConnell can see the opportunity they have to rid the party of this fraud immediately after the election, no matter what the outcome. Slice that f'ing boil and get on with it.

Now I'm gonna have a drink.
 
2020-09-09 2:02:25 AM  

PaulRB: My prediction is (if Trump loses) - he's on the Trump escape plane to some country that we have no extradition treaty with and he'll never make it back to U.S. soil.   He'll be too paranoid that he'll be going to prison, no matter what U.S. state he lives in.  (If I were him, I'd be worried - for once Trump and I agree.)

So, probably some Russian friendly country, maybe even Russia, although that could be risky as well.  If he's no longer of any use to Putin, he might find himself falling out of one of Trump Tower Moscow's windows. (if only there were a Trump Tower Moscow.  They've been working on a plan but hasn't happened as of yet.)


He'll just go to Mar-a-Lago and dare the Democrats do anything. And he'll be right, because they won't do anything.
 
2020-09-09 2:05:53 AM  
I bet McConnell pulls some sketchy sh*t and causes Congress to reject electors from a few...let's just say "close" states. Just enough so that either Trump gets the majority or it goes to the House. And since as of now the GOP will still have the majority of state delegations next year, Trump gets another term.
 
2020-09-09 2:36:40 AM  

PaulRB: My prediction is (if Trump loses) - he's on the Trump escape plane to some country that we have no extradition treaty with and he'll never make it back to U.S. soil.   He'll be too paranoid that he'll be going to prison, no matter what U.S. state he lives in.  (If I were him, I'd be worried - for once Trump and I agree.)

So, probably some Russian friendly country, maybe even Russia, although that could be risky as well.  If he's no longer of any use to Putin, he might find himself falling out of one of Trump Tower Moscow's windows. (if only there were a Trump Tower Moscow.  They've been working on a plan but hasn't happened as of yet.)


Nope. He can't, because by law he'll have a US Secret Service detail for the rest of his life to protect US government secrets. And they can absolutely be instructed to "evacuate" him back to Washington DC to ensure sensitive information - like details about the US nuclear deterrence system which he's been briefed on even if he doesn't remember it - doesn't fall into the hands of our adversaries. As an ex-President, Donald Trump won't even be allowed to drive his own vehicles off the golf course. His entire travel capability will require the cooperation of his security detail, just like it does now. He just won't need to arrange for the entire government to arrive a month in advance to secure the location first.
 
2020-09-09 2:40:18 AM  

themindiswatching: I bet McConnell pulls some sketchy sh*t and causes Congress to reject electors from a few...let's just say "close" states. Just enough so that either Trump gets the majority or it goes to the House. And since as of now the GOP will still have the majority of state delegations next year, Trump gets another term.


This would be instant devastation. Maybe they are including that in the price, but at this point I think they face anarchy and complete inability to continue.
 
2020-09-09 3:07:33 AM  

mjjt: That is obvious scenario. Trump pardons everybody associated with GOP or his campaign, then resigns a day before and trusts Pence to pardon him.

My fantasy is that Pence, pissed at all the sneers he's copper, goes into hiding for a few days.

Even better,. Trump shiats in his own nest by inviting treasonist revolt, army takes him off to Guantanamo Bay and holds him incommunicado until Biden sworn in


If this happens the only thing that will delay the demise of the GOP will be if they still hold the Senate, because the collective disgust of the nation as the true level of corruption is exposed by the last minute pardons including that of Trump will result in a bloodbath at the next midterm for anyone still left in the GOP.  Not to mention the state elections.  Plus at that point all those pardoned lose their Fifth Amendment protections and will be forced to testify against anyone left unpardoned and forced to testify in Congressional testimony.

Then again, is there anything that prevents a pardon from being revoked?

Don't forget that the new Congress sits on January 3rd so if they try this shiat late on January 19th, if Pelosi is smart and Dems have the Senate she will have everything in place to immediately impeach and try President Pence before Biden is sworn in.

Also Biden's first act as President ought to be to nominate a new AG right there after being sworn in, full stop, with the (hopefully Dem) Senate fast tracking it so as to get a jump on prosecuting anyone they can.
 
2020-09-09 3:22:03 AM  
I'm sure there are some federal charges that people will be willing to hold off serving Trump with until after January 3rd for just this reason.
 
2020-09-09 3:54:32 AM  
For those who still think there is any chance of Biden getting elected, you need to prepare for another dose of reality.  The fix is in.  The GOP knows it, the media knows it, and worst of all, Trump knows it.  That's why there really is no effort to stop him.  He's not going anywhere.  A useful idiot is useful to Putin, and the GOP doesn't care what puppet is in the big chair, so long as their in the majority.

Vote and look for someone to register for their first vote.
 
2020-09-09 3:59:18 AM  

cherryl taggart: For those who still think there is any chance of Biden getting elected, you need to prepare for another dose of reality.  The fix is in.  The GOP knows it, the media knows it, and worst of all, Trump knows it.  That's why there really is no effort to stop him.  He's not going anywhere.  A useful idiot is useful to Putin, and the GOP doesn't care what puppet is in the big chair, so long as their in the majority.

Vote and look for someone to register for their first vote.


Nope.  If Trump 'knew' about a fix, he wouldn't be in a pants-shiatting panic every day.  He's terrified.  He's lashing out, looking for the right lies to save him, and trying to punish us in advance for not voting for him with the pandemic.
 
2020-09-09 5:23:16 AM  

thecactusman17: PaulRB: My prediction is (if Trump loses) - he's on the Trump escape plane to some country that we have no extradition treaty with and he'll never make it back to U.S. soil.   He'll be too paranoid that he'll be going to prison, no matter what U.S. state he lives in.  (If I were him, I'd be worried - for once Trump and I agree.)

So, probably some Russian friendly country, maybe even Russia, although that could be risky as well.  If he's no longer of any use to Putin, he might find himself falling out of one of Trump Tower Moscow's windows. (if only there were a Trump Tower Moscow.  They've been working on a plan but hasn't happened as of yet.)

Nope. He can't, because by law he'll have a US Secret Service detail for the rest of his life to protect US government secrets. And they can absolutely be instructed to "evacuate" him back to Washington DC to ensure sensitive information - like details about the US nuclear deterrence system which he's been briefed on even if he doesn't remember it - doesn't fall into the hands of our adversaries. As an ex-President, Donald Trump won't even be allowed to drive his own vehicles off the golf course. His entire travel capability will require the cooperation of his security detail, just like it does now. He just won't need to arrange for the entire government to arrive a month in advance to secure the location first.


I really hope you're not just pulling this out of your ass. My god, thinking about it that way mitigates some of the shame I feel over having the future ex-president currently making enemies of all the people who'll be watching his every move for the rest of his life.
 
2020-09-09 5:27:04 AM  

gilgigamesh: Nah.  Trump's most imminent threat is criminal charges in New York state, which are not pardonable.  Cohen is pretty obviously not the brightest bulb and may not be aware of that, but I'll bet Trump is.

The only card Trump can play to avoid that is get re-elected, and do whatever it takes to die in office.


He needs a pardon from Gov. Cuomo.
 
2020-09-09 5:27:42 AM  
Preemptive pardoning.  Not a thing.
 
2020-09-09 5:28:20 AM  

thecactusman17: PaulRB: My prediction is (if Trump loses) - he's on the Trump escape plane to some country that we have no extradition treaty with and he'll never make it back to U.S. soil.   He'll be too paranoid that he'll be going to prison, no matter what U.S. state he lives in.  (If I were him, I'd be worried - for once Trump and I agree.)

So, probably some Russian friendly country, maybe even Russia, although that could be risky as well.  If he's no longer of any use to Putin, he might find himself falling out of one of Trump Tower Moscow's windows. (if only there were a Trump Tower Moscow.  They've been working on a plan but hasn't happened as of yet.)

Nope. He can't, because by law he'll have a US Secret Service detail for the rest of his life to protect US government secrets. And they can absolutely be instructed to "evacuate" him back to Washington DC to ensure sensitive information - like details about the US nuclear deterrence system which he's been briefed on even if he doesn't remember it - doesn't fall into the hands of our adversaries. As an ex-President, Donald Trump won't even be allowed to drive his own vehicles off the golf course. His entire travel capability will require the cooperation of his security detail, just like it does now. He just won't need to arrange for the entire government to arrive a month in advance to secure the location first.


I thought Carter eschewed his security detail at some point. Granted it was probably 15 years after he left government, and he didn't spend every day in office trying to break the previous day's crime count.
 
2020-09-09 5:30:05 AM  

PaulRB: My prediction is (if Trump loses) - he's on the Trump escape plane to some country that we have no extradition treaty with and he'll never make it back to U.S. soil.   He'll be too paranoid that he'll be going to prison, no matter what U.S. state he lives in.  (If I were him, I'd be worried - for once Trump and I agree.)

So, probably some Russian friendly country, maybe even Russia, although that could be risky as well.  If he's no longer of any use to Putin, he might find himself falling out of one of Trump Tower Moscow's windows. (if only there were a Trump Tower Moscow.  They've been working on a plan but hasn't happened as of yet.)


All I' saying is the secret service ain't loyal to their charges, ideally, but the state.

If Trump tried to scarper, they'll hopefully shiat that shut down.
 
2020-09-09 5:31:50 AM  

cherryl taggart: For those who still think there is any chance of Biden getting elected, you need to prepare for another dose of reality.  The fix is in.  The GOP knows it, the media knows it, and worst of all, Trump knows it.  That's why there really is no effort to stop him.  He's not going anywhere.  A useful idiot is useful to Putin, and the GOP doesn't care what puppet is in the big chair, so long as their in the majority.

Vote and look for someone to register for their first vote.


Yup.
And you can bet that nothing is gonna happen in NY also, because those purse strings that make don dance are not being held by an adolescent girl.
They are held by the richest, most evil crime lords the world has ever seen.

The Kardashians.
 
2020-09-09 5:32:53 AM  

syrynxx: You have to admit guilt to be eligible for a pardon.  Trump never will.


Stolen campaign contributions.
Don't forget about the hundreds of millions dollars of contributions that they paid themselves.
 
2020-09-09 5:33:18 AM  
What is he being pardoned from?  If a criminal trial started today it'd be after January 20th before he gets convicted.
He's going to get charged, he's going to try and leverage a deal, and he's going to suck down some polonium.  As long as he does a perp walk and there are pictures before it happens I don't care how he dies.
 
2020-09-09 5:38:53 AM  
No duh. I saw this a long time ago. In the last day he resigns and has him pardon him after he pardons everyone else.

Pardons need to be revamped.
 
2020-09-09 5:45:00 AM  
If he resigns, we can all call him a quitter.  That will damage his fragile ego.
 
2020-09-09 5:46:06 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: What is he being pardoned from?  If a criminal trial started today it'd be after January 20th before he gets convicted.
He's going to get charged, he's going to try and leverage a deal, and he's going to suck down some polonium.  As long as he does a perp walk and there are pictures before it happens I don't care how he dies.


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2020-09-09 5:48:30 AM  
If he resigns and Pence becomes president... then Pence doesn't have to obey him anymore.

Ordering Trump's arrest as his first act could make him VERY popular, at least temporarily.
 
2020-09-09 5:52:32 AM  

You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: Nana's Vibrator: What is he being pardoned from?  If a criminal trial started today it'd be after January 20th before he gets convicted.
He's going to get charged, he's going to try and leverage a deal, and he's going to suck down some polonium.  As long as he does a perp walk and there are pictures before it happens I don't care how he dies.

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And that's worth the paper it's printed on?

With Nixon, the public statements were about healing a divided nation. And yes, it was disappointing.
If Biden does anything other than put his knee to the neck of the guy who went after his son, we'll all be very disappointed.
 
2020-09-09 5:54:57 AM  

syrynxx: You have to admit guilt to be eligible for a pardon.  Trump never will.


No, you don't.
 
2020-09-09 5:55:37 AM  

themindiswatching: I bet McConnell pulls some sketchy sh*t and causes Congress to reject electors from a few...let's just say "close" states. Just enough so that either Trump gets the majority or it goes to the House. And since as of now the GOP will still have the majority of state delegations next year, Trump gets another term.


Why would the House agree to reject those electoral votes
 
2020-09-09 5:56:46 AM  
As a voice from outside the US, the rest of the world just can't believe that Henry Kissinger and Dick Cheney have never been charged or imprisoned or (in Cheney's case) executed.

Trump has nothing to worry about when he loses. The US system, even state systems, won't touch him no matter how corrupt, abusive or otherwise naughty he's been. We've seen this a thousand times before and been horrified, we expect nothing to have changed no matter how fixated everyone always is on the current guy.
 
2020-09-09 5:57:04 AM  

PaulRB: I would agree except for the fact that he probably has a Swiss bank account with a ton of stolen (from the taxpayers) money already contained within that will probably last him the rest of his life


The US cracked down on the Swiss hiding money. If you're hiding money in a civil matter, like a former spouse or business partner is suing you, then you can probably get away with hiding it but if the government wants your hidden money, the Swiss will turn it over.
 
2020-09-09 5:57:09 AM  
Unlikely tag asleep?   He's not resigning.
 
2020-09-09 6:02:19 AM  
What about that whole, "In the US we don't lock up our political opponents like some banana republic" shiat? Is Uncle Joe up to the task, or is he just going to go the "time to heal and come together to work on moving forward for the good of our country" route?
 
2020-09-09 6:03:49 AM  

olderbudnoweiser: What about that whole, "In the US we don't lock up our political opponents like some banana republic" shiat


We've never had a farking mobster in there before.

Let alone someone with 200k American murder victims.
 
2020-09-09 6:05:12 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: Nana's Vibrator: What is he being pardoned from?  If a criminal trial started today it'd be after January 20th before he gets convicted.
He's going to get charged, he's going to try and leverage a deal, and he's going to suck down some polonium.  As long as he does a perp walk and there are pictures before it happens I don't care how he dies.

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And that's worth the paper it's printed on?

With Nixon, the public statements were about healing a divided nation. And yes, it was disappointing.
If Biden does anything other than put his knee to the neck of the guy who went after his son, we'll all be very disappointed.


Yes, as President Gerald Ford issued a blanket pardon for any and all federal crimes before any charges had been laid against Nixon. If Pence becomes POTUS and issues a similar pardon then federal charges might be off of the table for Trump. 

Although to be entirely honest I'm not sure how far the legal theory have been tested in the courts. One argument I've heard is that no one can issue a pardon for a crime for which they are a co-conspirator. 

But getting a pardon before being charged can and has happened.
 
2020-09-09 6:12:37 AM  

vrax: Preemptive pardoning.  Not a thing.


Tell Richard Nixon that

Ford pardoned Nixon for "any crimes he may have committed" as part of the Watergate coverup.  At that point, Nixon hadn't been charged with anything.

I've been saying for months that if Trump loses, he'll step down and have Pence pardon him.  Sure, it's only Federal crimes, but that takes a lot off his back.  I also predict that when he resigns, it'll be from an airplane somewhere over the Atlantic, on his way to a friendly country.
 
2020-09-09 6:14:52 AM  
Trump has gotten away with every scummy thing he's ever done through legal shenanigans, most often dragging out cases until plaintiffs give up. He likely thinks he can get away with all of this as well, probably not understanding that (I'm guessing) the prosecutors will want to nail him to the wall and their pockets are essentially infinitely deep. He's going to retreat to Mar-a-Lago in the belief he's untouchable.
 
2020-09-09 6:20:10 AM  

OldRod: I've been saying for months that if Trump loses, he'll step down and have Pence pardon him.  Sure, it's only Federal crimes, but that takes a lot off his back.  I also predict that when he resigns, it'll be from an airplane somewhere over the Atlantic, on his way to a friendly country.


A hard-conservative former Australian PM Tony Abbott has just been made trade envoy in Britain because he's Boris Johnson's mate and he approved of Brexit. Trump can go advise BoJo on hairstyles or something.
 
2020-09-09 6:24:41 AM  

You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: Na. If Pence becomes POTUS and issues a similar pardon then federal charges might be off of the table for Trump. 

Although to be entirely honest I'm not sure how far the legal theory have been tested in the courts. One argument I've heard is that no one can issue a pardon for a crime for which they are a co-conspirator. 

But getting a pardon before being charged can and has happened.


Let's all take a moment to remember that Trump can do anything he believes he has the power to do. He can pardon himself and his kids in perpetuity forever and ever amen for all crimes imagined and real. The question really is, can we do anything about it after he does? And if so, does Congress have the political will and fortitude to do it? So far the answer is 100% no.
 
2020-09-09 6:27:36 AM  
Do criminal pardons do away with the grounds for civil forfeiture?
 
2020-09-09 6:28:33 AM  
He is going to "win", let's start preparing for that rather than fantasizing about his demise.

Bite the pillow.  Think of Mar a Lago.
 
2020-09-09 6:28:48 AM  

olderbudnoweiser: What about that whole, "In the US we don't lock up our political opponents like some banana republic" shiat? Is Uncle Joe up to the task, or is he just going to go the "time to heal and come together to work on moving forward for the good of our country" route?


You make a good point. We'll need to be extra careful to make the criminal case against him air tight.
 
2020-09-09 6:29:18 AM  

ToeKnee666: You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: Na. If Pence becomes POTUS and issues a similar pardon then federal charges might be off of the table for Trump. 

Although to be entirely honest I'm not sure how far the legal theory have been tested in the courts. One argument I've heard is that no one can issue a pardon for a crime for which they are a co-conspirator. 

But getting a pardon before being charged can and has happened.

Let's all take a moment to remember that Trump can do anything he believes he has the power to do. He can pardon himself and his kids in perpetuity forever and ever amen for all crimes imagined and real. The question really is, can we do anything about it after he does? And if so, does Congress have the political will and fortitude to do it? So far the answer is 100% no.


Congress doesn't have anything to do with it
 
2020-09-09 6:29:50 AM  
Yea, fark that shiat.  You can't pardon a person who hasn't been convicted of anything.


That was an abuse of power for Nixon, and it needs to end.
 
2020-09-09 6:30:42 AM  
as long as he leaves, that will be enough to start back on the right track.

i'd love to see a high-colonic performed in congress, particularly of conservaturds, but i will settle for a flush of the executive branch for this election.

getting rid of trump and his criminal cohorts is just the start though. there are some deep issues facing the country that do not bode well for this country in the near and not so near future. if biden wins (fingers crossed), he will have a very steep hill to climb from the outset and it will last for years. likely steeper than that of 2008.
 
2020-09-09 6:31:47 AM  

syrynxx: You have to admit guilt to be eligible for a pardon.  Trump never will.


No you don't. If it was true it would be impossible to pardon dead people. Jimmy Carter's pardon of os almost all Vietnam-era draft dodgers would be invalid has no attempt was made ask them if they did anything wrong. Ford pardoned Nixon for everything he may or may not have done while president. Nixon never admitted that he did anything wrong nor did the government ask him.

What is more the president has the power to pardon for  federal offenses.  It is not limited by the Constitution. He can pardon you if you don't want it. All that a pardon needs is a signature of a president. Just read the Constitution which says the president can pardon people but does not say that it is only valid if someone says that they did it.

Pardons can actually be useful for innocent people.  I recently read a book by the son of a civil rights era protester framed by white policemen. A governor years later simple pardoned him.
 
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