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(Politico)   19 years after 9/11, and 7 years after Snowden blew the whistle, 9th Circuit Court of Appeals rules NSA's telephone metadata program was illegal, and that the barn door can be closed now that the escaped horses have been safely melted down into glue   (politico.com) divider line
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2020-09-03 6:46:34 AM  
Oh, no.
They are just getting started.
 
2020-09-03 8:13:50 AM  
One of the first things Biden should do as president, after he issues an Executive Order undoing all of Trump's Executive Orders, is to officially apologize to the nation for this entire debacle, issue a pardon to Snowden, and welcome him back home with some sort of award and a permanent no-tax status for the rest of his life. And a dedicated Secret Service agent should be assigned to George W. Bush, and every time that rat bastard shows up in public in another attempt to re-paint himself as a genuinely good and caring human being whose presidency we should remember fondly especially in the light of the current dystopia, said agent should punch that asshole in the face. Or force feed him a pretzel, one of the two.
 
2020-09-03 8:42:25 AM  
The judiciary is the only functioning branch of government.  And its slow, at best
 
2020-09-03 9:15:35 AM  

Pocket Ninja: One of the first things Biden should do as president, after he issues an Executive Order undoing all of Trump's Executive Orders, is to officially apologize to the nation for this entire debacle, issue a pardon to Snowden, and welcome him back home with some sort of award and a permanent no-tax status for the rest of his life. And a dedicated Secret Service agent should be assigned to George W. Bush, and every time that rat bastard shows up in public in another attempt to re-paint himself as a genuinely good and caring human being whose presidency we should remember fondly especially in the light of the current dystopia, said agent should punch that asshole in the face. Or force feed him a pretzel, one of the two.


should probably tell michelle obama to quit giving him cuddly hugs because they're so cute together etc etc.
 
2020-09-03 9:17:20 AM  
But Fark assured me Snowden was a traitor
 
2020-09-03 9:19:00 AM  
9th Circuit.

Overturned when it reaches SCOTUS.
 
2020-09-03 9:19:18 AM  
I once had a professor who implied that the 9th circuit is overturned more than any other circuit. So, I don't expect the ruling will hold when it reaches SCOTUS.
 
2020-09-03 9:19:28 AM  
Snowden gave up everything, his entire life, just to let us know what our own government was doing against us.

He is the greatest hero since WW2.
 
2020-09-03 9:20:43 AM  

mathamagical: But Fark assured me Snowden was a traitor


Of all the traitors getting pardoned, Snowden deserves one.
 
2020-09-03 9:21:50 AM  

mathamagical: But Fark assured me Snowden was a traitor


There seems to be a large contingent of people who get more upset at someone for exposing evil than they are at the evil itself.

Shame them and shun them, no matter where they are.

Snowden did a good thing by exposing our sh*thole country's rot.
 
2020-09-03 9:25:00 AM  
"Snowden blew the whistle"

The fark was this, then?
upload.wikimedia.orgView Full Size
 
2020-09-03 9:26:58 AM  
Like most military technology, this has all been commercialized in the last 5 years after decades of military/intelligence use.

Facebook, smart devices, data exchanges, etc....

Talk about some obscure thing in your house and watch the ads get served online within the hour!

The glue cannot be transformed back into a horse after you huff it.
 
2020-09-03 9:28:18 AM  
And this is how it will go with all of Trump's crimes against us. We'll have to wait 19 years for justice...which is no justice. He'll be dead by then. Then again, so probably will we.
 
2020-09-03 9:29:31 AM  

Walker: And this is how it will go with all of Trump's crimes against us. We'll have to wait 19 years for justice...which is no justice. He'll be dead by then. Then again, so probably will we.


I'm still waiting on W and Obama to be arrested for war crimes.
 
2020-09-03 9:30:16 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: "Snowden blew the whistle"

The fark was this, then?
[upload.wikimedia.org image 833x625]


Only part of what Snowden unveiled.
 
2020-09-03 9:32:17 AM  

RussianPotato: Walker: And this is how it will go with all of Trump's crimes against us. We'll have to wait 19 years for justice...which is no justice. He'll be dead by then. Then again, so probably will we.

I'm still waiting on W and Obama to be arrested for war crimes.


Get The Hague on it.
 
2020-09-03 9:40:38 AM  

Walker: And this is how it will go with all of Trump's crimes against us. We'll have to wait 19 years for justice...which is no justice. He'll be dead by then. Then again, so probably will we.


Justice delayed is justice denied.
-- William E Gladstone, (Former British Statesman and Prime Minister in the late 1800's)
 
2020-09-03 9:50:33 AM  

mathamagical: But Fark assured me Snowden was a traitor


Farkers demonstrating a thin understanding of something which threatens their beliefs?

Fainting couch, shocked face, etc.
 
2020-09-03 9:51:27 AM  

Night Train to Wakanda: Only part of what Snowden unveiled.


Room 641 actually predates Snowden by quite a while.  As with the Snowden disclosure, nothing changed.
 
2020-09-03 9:54:51 AM  

RussianPotato: Walker: And this is how it will go with all of Trump's crimes against us. We'll have to wait 19 years for justice...which is no justice. He'll be dead by then. Then again, so probably will we.

I'm still waiting on W and Obama to be arrested for war crimes.


Have you tried holding your breath while you wait? Your boy trump is trying to sanction the people investigating war crimes in afghaniraqistan but I'm sure that's different for reasons
 
2020-09-03 9:56:00 AM  

Night Train to Wakanda: RussianPotato: Walker: And this is how it will go with all of Trump's crimes against us. We'll have to wait 19 years for justice...which is no justice. He'll be dead by then. Then again, so probably will we.

I'm still waiting on W and Obama to be arrested for war crimes.

Get The Hague on it.


Good luck with that.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/02/908896​1​08/trump-administration-sanctions-icc-​prosecutor-investigating-alleged-u-s-w​ar-crim
 
2020-09-03 10:00:10 AM  

Ivo Shandor: Night Train to Wakanda: RussianPotato: Walker: And this is how it will go with all of Trump's crimes against us. We'll have to wait 19 years for justice...which is no justice. He'll be dead by then. Then again, so probably will we.

I'm still waiting on W and Obama to be arrested for war crimes.

Get The Hague on it.

Good luck with that.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/02/9088961​08/trump-administration-sanctions-icc-​prosecutor-investigating-alleged-u-s-w​ar-crim


France took ten years off to restructure their government in the late 1700s and they turned out OK, for the most part.
 
2020-09-03 10:27:36 AM  

Pocket Ninja: One of the first things Biden should do as president, after he issues an Executive Order undoing all of Trump's Executive Orders, is to officially apologize to the nation for this entire debacle, issue a pardon to Snowden, and welcome him back home with some sort of award and a permanent no-tax status for the rest of his life. And a dedicated Secret Service agent should be assigned to George W. Bush, and every time that rat bastard shows up in public in another attempt to re-paint himself as a genuinely good and caring human being whose presidency we should remember fondly especially in the light of the current dystopia, said agent should punch that asshole in the face. Or force feed him a pretzel, one of the two.


Is this the Snowden who did this on behalf of hostile foreign governments?
 
2020-09-03 10:41:58 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Is this the Snowden who did this on behalf of hostile foreign governments?


No, it's the American who was trying to warn his fellow citizens of wrongdoing. Governments like Russia were probably quite happy to take advantage of his actions after the fact but they weren't the motivation. Snowden wrote a book if you're curious about what happened or why he did it.
 
2020-09-03 10:43:50 AM  
Snowden is and was a traitor. There were ways to go about being a whistle blower now he is just a tool of Russian Intelligence Services. I would have respect for him if he had followed all the whistle blower paths and stayed here. The program he turned over information to wikileaks for being wrong still doesn't make him being a hero for doing it with how he did it.

As someone with a clearance he had to know what the consequences would be for violating that oath. I signed many of those same documents. I know the process to report waste, fraud, and abuse. There was the IG and Congress. If he was such a noble hero he would have actually stood up for it instead of running like he did. For those that say 'we revoked his passport'...there are ways he could travel back and fight the charges.

I may not like the programs and want my government to do things the right way but Fark him. I had friends who were mentioned in State cables that couldn't go back to the their home countries after their governments read the cables. Their families in their native countries were harassed and they were unable to go back or go back without negotiation between us and their country. Sometimes information is classified for a legit reason.
 
2020-09-03 10:47:03 AM  
Also 13 years after Senator Barack Obama voted to give them retroactive immunity from prosecution - an immunity for wiretapping which, most curiously, began happening in February 2001 - and swore that he would use this unconstitutional surveillance power "responsibly" if you would only vote for him for President. Hence why I did not vote for him in 2008.
 
2020-09-03 10:52:45 AM  

Tanukis_Parachute: I had friends who were mentioned in State cables that couldn't go back to the their home countries after their governments read the cables.


When you say "cables", are you sure that you're talking specifically about Snowden and not Manning?
 
2020-09-03 11:03:21 AM  

Tanukis_Parachute: Snowden is and was a traitor. There were ways to go about being a whistle blower now he is just a tool of Russian Intelligence Services. I would have respect for him if he had followed all the whistle blower paths and stayed here. The program he turned over information to wikileaks for being wrong still doesn't make him being a hero for doing it with how he did it.

As someone with a clearance he had to know what the consequences would be for violating that oath. I signed many of those same documents. I know the process to report waste, fraud, and abuse. There was the IG and Congress. If he was such a noble hero he would have actually stood up for it instead of running like he did. For those that say 'we revoked his passport'...there are ways he could travel back and fight the charges.

I may not like the programs and want my government to do things the right way but Fark him. I had friends who were mentioned in State cables that couldn't go back to the their home countries after their governments read the cables. Their families in their native countries were harassed and they were unable to go back or go back without negotiation between us and their country. Sometimes information is classified for a legit reason.


I've always loved this angle.  Snowden, as an American contractor working at Booz Allen, was trying to expose the US governments' ILLEGAL activities.  Spying on their own citizens in contravention of the LAW.

And now the government has actually admitted that YES that phone tapping and spying was in fact illegal.

And yet here you are.  Calling him a traitor.

That last paragraph is icing on the cake.  What are these "State cables" that so affected your "friends" who were named in it.  Details?

The best part is : "I may not like the programs and want my government to do things the right way but Fark him". Spoken like a true authoritarian little toady.  "I may not like these illegal spying programs and I may want the government to NOT do illegal shiat but fark Snowden".  lol
 
2020-09-03 11:04:01 AM  

Tanukis_Parachute: Snowden is and was a traitor. There were ways to go about being a whistle blower now he is just a tool of Russian Intelligence Services. I would have respect for him if he had followed all the whistle blower paths and stayed here. The program he turned over information to wikileaks for being wrong still doesn't make him being a hero for doing it with how he did it.

As someone with a clearance he had to know what the consequences would be for violating that oath. I signed many of those same documents. I know the process to report waste, fraud, and abuse. There was the IG and Congress. If he was such a noble hero he would have actually stood up for it instead of running like he did. For those that say 'we revoked his passport'...there are ways he could travel back and fight the charges.

I may not like the programs and want my government to do things the right way but Fark him. I had friends who were mentioned in State cables that couldn't go back to the their home countries after their governments read the cables. Their families in their native countries were harassed and they were unable to go back or go back without negotiation between us and their country. Sometimes information is classified for a legit reason.


The Obama administration was famously shiatty for IC whistleblowers
 
2020-09-03 11:09:04 AM  

Bruscar: I once had a professor who implied that the 9th circuit is overturned more than any other circuit. So, I don't expect the ruling will hold when it reaches SCOTUS.


Your professor was a bit of a simpleton, then.

Due to having silicon valley and most of the entertainment industry in its jurisdiction, the Ninth deals with more novel issues of law than any other court. By a HUGE margin. Has little to do with the court being wrong, and far more to do with the SCOTUS majority's ultraconservative politics and outcome-based holdings being at odds with the Ninth's perceived "liberalism."

Honestly, I'd view being overturned by the profoundly craven and stupid Rehnquist/Roberts Court as a badge of farking honor. It's among the very worst Courts in American history. I used to think the infamous Lochner Era Court was far worse, but given its record over the past decade or so, I'm reconsidering.
 
2020-09-03 11:10:03 AM  

Man On Pink Corner: Night Train to Wakanda: Only part of what Snowden unveiled.

Room 641 actually predates Snowden by quite a while.  As with the Snowden disclosure, nothing changed.


Yes. But Snowden not only revealed what it was for, he showed how they were using it and for what purpose. It's basically the black box from the movie Sneakers.
 
2020-09-03 11:13:26 AM  

Tanukis_Parachute: Snowden is and was a traitor. There were ways to go about being a whistle blower now he is just a tool of Russian Intelligence Services. I would have respect for him if he had followed all the whistle blower paths and stayed here. The program he turned over information to wikileaks for being wrong still doesn't make him being a hero for doing it with how he did it.

As someone with a clearance he had to know what the consequences would be for violating that oath. I signed many of those same documents. I know the process to report waste, fraud, and abuse. There was the IG and Congress. If he was such a noble hero he would have actually stood up for it instead of running like he did. For those that say 'we revoked his passport'...there are ways he could travel back and fight the charges.

I may not like the programs and want my government to do things the right way but Fark him. I had friends who were mentioned in State cables that couldn't go back to the their home countries after their governments read the cables. Their families in their native countries were harassed and they were unable to go back or go back without negotiation between us and their country. Sometimes information is classified for a legit reason.


He should have taken his ten years in solitary like Chelsea Manning. He should have stood his ground and let the federal government railroad him in to accepting he was at fault knowing full well they were in violation of the law.

And the only way to travel back after revoking his passport is to walk in to a US consulate and surrender himself to handcuffs and processing for the aforementioned treatment.
 
2020-09-03 11:21:18 AM  

Man On Pink Corner: Room 641 actually predates Snowden by quite a while.  As with the Snowden disclosure, nothing changed.


I live near a major transcontinental fiberoptic line. Near it is a large old limestone office building, quite nice, which is quite plainly doing some sort of business. It's unmarked and typically has just one or two cars in the parking lot at a time. The grass is mowed, the building is well-maintained, and when someone leaves a window blind slightly open, you can see the rooms are full of tall cabinets. No desks, no plants, no evidence of human occupation.

I'm sure there's a bland explanation, but I've always suspected something shady was going on inside.
 
2020-09-03 11:48:40 AM  
Don't be fooled, politicians of all flavors were totally behind this program being okay.
 
2020-09-03 11:50:16 AM  

Pocket Ninja: One of the first things Biden should do as president, after he issues an Executive Order undoing all of Trump's Executive Orders, is to officially apologize to the nation for this entire debacle, issue a pardon to Snowden, and welcome him back home with some sort of award and a permanent no-tax status for the rest of his life. And a dedicated Secret Service agent should be assigned to George W. Bush, and every time that rat bastard shows up in public in another attempt to re-paint himself as a genuinely good and caring human being whose presidency we should remember fondly especially in the light of the current dystopia, said agent should punch that asshole in the face. Or force feed him a pretzel, one of the two.


I agree with every bit of this, except for the taxes thing.  EVERY citizen should have to pay taxes.  This means you, corporations are people.
 
2020-09-03 11:50:43 AM  

Ivo Shandor: Tanukis_Parachute: I had friends who were mentioned in State cables that couldn't go back to the their home countries after their governments read the cables.

When you say "cables", are you sure that you're talking specifically about Snowden and not Manning?


yes. I got my traitors mixed up.
 
2020-09-03 11:59:59 AM  

Walker: this is how it will go with all of Trump's crimes against us. We'll have to wait 19 years for justice


You're gonna wait forever for justice, amigo.

Both Ronald Reagan and George HW Bush should have been prosecuted for treason over Iran-Contra. Bush flat-out lied to investigators that he didn't know what was going on, neglecting to inform them that he'd been keeping a daily diary of the entire matter. In his diary, he admits that he's the only one who really understood how all the moving parts of their massive felonious enterprise worked.

Rather than being prosecuted, this criminal was elected president. Then he and his AG hatched a scheme to pardon all of his cronies for all their federal felonies, and everyone pretty much just shrugged, including our so-called "opposition party."

Oh, and guess who Bush's AG was? Yep, William Barr.

None of this is coincidence. This is all part of a scheme to make the public accustomed to high-level corruption and create the expectation that nothing can or will be done about it.

And that's how we end up with Joe Biden - so the voting public has its choice of a treasonous criminal, or a candidate who has no particular interest in prosecuting them.

Indeed, Senator Joe Biden helped arch-conservative Jesse Helms get convicted Iran-Contra felon Ollie North's government pension restored.

Yay.
 
2020-09-03 12:08:14 PM  

jethroe: Tanukis_Parachute: Snowden is and was a traitor. There were ways to go about being a whistle blower now he is just a tool of Russian Intelligence Services. I would have respect for him if he had followed all the whistle blower paths and stayed here. The program he turned over information to wikileaks for being wrong still doesn't make him being a hero for doing it with how he did it.

As someone with a clearance he had to know what the consequences would be for violating that oath. I signed many of those same documents. I know the process to report waste, fraud, and abuse. There was the IG and Congress. If he was such a noble hero he would have actually stood up for it instead of running like he did. For those that say 'we revoked his passport'...there are ways he could travel back and fight the charges.

I may not like the programs and want my government to do things the right way but Fark him. I had friends who were mentioned in State cables that couldn't go back to the their home countries after their governments read the cables. Their families in their native countries were harassed and they were unable to go back or go back without negotiation between us and their country. Sometimes information is classified for a legit reason.

I've always loved this angle.  Snowden, as an American contractor working at Booz Allen, was trying to expose the US governments' ILLEGAL activities.  Spying on their own citizens in contravention of the LAW.

And now the government has actually admitted that YES that phone tapping and spying was in fact illegal.

And yet here you are.  Calling him a traitor.

That last paragraph is icing on the cake.  What are these "State cables" that so affected your "friends" who were named in it.  Details?

The best part is : "I may not like the programs and want my government to do things the right way but Fark him". Spoken like a true authoritarian little toady.  "I may not like these illegal spying programs and I may want the government to NOT d ...


traitor for how. running to russia. you stand for something or you don't. he decided to stand with russian intelligence services.

to say I am an authoritarian toady is truly false. i believe that we should do things the right way. that includes reporting. was there not a congressman or senator he could contact? a US newspaper? I have been a labelled a whistleblower primarily for EEO issues and I have reported a case of large malfeasance to the OIG in my more than 20 year career. is that the same as what was reported? no, but I know the rules. I know contractors who have reported multi-million dollar malfeasance.

manning was a traitor too and I am glad there was not a pardon. I was not happy with the commutation either.Turning over the net-centric database of State Department shared classified cables was not a good thing. I confused manning and snowden in my head for a minute.

For the person questioning whether I knew someone- here is what I will share. I was working in Baghdad at the US Embassy and we had a third country national (TCN) from a country with an authoritarian government. This TCN had worked in her home country in our embassy in the consular section. She was helping out in Iraq for a year. In her home country she was connected thru friends and family to the ruling party's elite. She provided insight and details to situations that were going on. She was not mentioned by name but by reading the entirety of our classified cables from that embassy, the host nation intel service figured out who one of our sources was directly. they went to her family's houses in her home country and interviewed/interrogated them and made threats on her life and warned them to tell her that her family was in danger if she kept it up.

Sorry...but if you support wikileaks and anything they have done or do...you support Russian Intel Services. I can't do that. I swore an oath to that effect.
 
2020-09-03 1:29:37 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: "Snowden blew the whistle"

The fark was this, then?
[upload.wikimedia.org image 833x625]


That is a room. You can make one out of four walls, a roof, and a ceiling.
 
2020-09-03 1:32:26 PM  

Night Train to Wakanda: Tanukis_Parachute: Snowden is and was a traitor. There were ways to go about being a whistle blower now he is just a tool of Russian Intelligence Services. I would have respect for him if he had followed all the whistle blower paths and stayed here. The program he turned over information to wikileaks for being wrong still doesn't make him being a hero for doing it with how he did it.

As someone with a clearance he had to know what the consequences would be for violating that oath. I signed many of those same documents. I know the process to report waste, fraud, and abuse. There was the IG and Congress. If he was such a noble hero he would have actually stood up for it instead of running like he did. For those that say 'we revoked his passport'...there are ways he could travel back and fight the charges.

I may not like the programs and want my government to do things the right way but Fark him. I had friends who were mentioned in State cables that couldn't go back to the their home countries after their governments read the cables. Their families in their native countries were harassed and they were unable to go back or go back without negotiation between us and their country. Sometimes information is classified for a legit reason.

He should have taken his ten years in solitary like Chelsea Manning. He should have stood his ground and let the federal government railroad him in to accepting he was at fault knowing full well they were in violation of the law.

And the only way to travel back after revoking his passport is to walk in to a US consulate and surrender himself to handcuffs and processing for the aforementioned treatment.


Why in the fark should he have done any of that? He's not your goddamn whipping boy you spoiled shiat.
 
2020-09-03 2:17:41 PM  

edmo: Don't be fooled, politicians of all flavors were totally behind this program being okay.


Not Russ Feingold. He was harping about how the USA Partriot Act would lead to this shiat, and later outlined some of the abuses that were exposed during it's re-authorization. He was labeled as soft-on-terror and called an America hater by the Rethuglicans and their PAC's.

mathamagical: But Fark assured me Snowden was a traitor


Technically speaking, he was and is a traitor. The fact he had noble ideals when he did it is not really relevant, but he betrayed more than a few people to get that protection in Russia.

Snowden should face some repercussions, as he didn't follow the proper procedure. However the people who kept green-lighting this shiat (I don't care if they're Democratic or Republican) should be publicly shamed and removed from office. Also, the Fox News (or any other news group parroting) "If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear..." crowd should have any and all data collected by this program (or others relating to it) dumped publicly since they should have nothing to hide.

I will say this about Snowden, I don't necessarily agree with how he did it, but I do understand. I give him a lot more props at owning up to what he was doing, unlike a certain person who said they'd play the "pretty white girl" card and cry for the cameras to avoid trouble. Not that it makes up for the other stupid shiat he did to stay in Russia and avoid prosecution. Yeah, it wouldn't have been a great prosecution because he'll have did what they said he did at the time. However maybe it would've woken people up a little bit if some "nobody" was willing to go to jail to expose this shiat, and literally said so in a pre-recorded video statement given to about two dozen people before he dumped the relevant data.

The real problem here is that the majority of Americans don't really give a shiat as long as you say, "Well, it's to keep 'Murica and you SAFE FROM TERRISTS!"
 
2020-09-03 2:41:51 PM  

Ivo Shandor: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Is this the Snowden who did this on behalf of hostile foreign governments?

No, it's the American who was trying to warn his fellow citizens of wrongdoing. Governments like Russia were probably quite happy to take advantage of his actions after the fact but they weren't the motivation. Snowden wrote a book if you're curious about what happened or why he did it.


Always believe what people write about themselves in books they sell.
 
2020-09-03 3:11:18 PM  

Smackledorfer: Ivo Shandor: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Is this the Snowden who did this on behalf of hostile foreign governments?

No, it's the American who was trying to warn his fellow citizens of wrongdoing. Governments like Russia were probably quite happy to take advantage of his actions after the fact but they weren't the motivation. Snowden wrote a book if you're curious about what happened or why he did it.

Always believe what people write about themselves in books they sell.


I'm not saying that anyone has to believe it, but he tells a credible story. More so than (for example) the folks who automatically write him off as a traitor because they're mad at some other person for leaking a bunch of diplomatic cables.
 
2020-09-04 3:50:58 AM  

Bandito King: Night Train to Wakanda: Tanukis_Parachute: Snowden is and was a traitor. There were ways to go about being a whistle blower now he is just a tool of Russian Intelligence Services. I would have respect for him if he had followed all the whistle blower paths and stayed here. The program he turned over information to wikileaks for being wrong still doesn't make him being a hero for doing it with how he did it.

As someone with a clearance he had to know what the consequences would be for violating that oath. I signed many of those same documents. I know the process to report waste, fraud, and abuse. There was the IG and Congress. If he was such a noble hero he would have actually stood up for it instead of running like he did. For those that say 'we revoked his passport'...there are ways he could travel back and fight the charges.

I may not like the programs and want my government to do things the right way but Fark him. I had friends who were mentioned in State cables that couldn't go back to the their home countries after their governments read the cables. Their families in their native countries were harassed and they were unable to go back or go back without negotiation between us and their country. Sometimes information is classified for a legit reason.

He should have taken his ten years in solitary like Chelsea Manning. He should have stood his ground and let the federal government railroad him in to accepting he was at fault knowing full well they were in violation of the law.

And the only way to travel back after revoking his passport is to walk in to a US consulate and surrender himself to handcuffs and processing for the aforementioned treatment.

Why in the fark should he have done any of that? He's not your goddamn whipping boy you spoiled shiat.


He shouldn't have. That was sarcasm.
 
2020-09-04 5:15:00 AM  

Tanukis_Parachute: Sorry...but if you support wikileaks and anything they have done or do...you support Russian Intel Services. I can't do that. I swore an oath to that effect.


Snowden didn't release anything through Wikileaks.  If you don't understand the difference between what Snowden did and what Manning did, you're part of the problem.
 
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