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2020-09-02 11:21:25 PM  
DNTRFA, as I've had two gigs since mid-March. It's tough when what you do (lead sing-alongs) is about the most dangerous thing that is possible to do during a pandemic.
 
2020-09-03 3:10:04 AM  
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2020-09-03 3:10:04 AM  
It's CHANGING the entertainment industry. And the secret to how to succeed? Follow whatever porn does.
 
2020-09-03 3:20:58 AM  

KingOfTown: DNTRFA, as I've had two gigs since mid-March. It's tough when what you do (lead sing-alongs) is about the most dangerous thing that is possible to do during a pandemic.

During this particular pandemic especially. Group singing (including church choirs and congregations) can easily become superspreading events due to the physics involved. 6′ isn't close to far enough apart when group singing. The minimum safe distance is at least triple that, and it's just not feasible for groups to sing together when distanced that far apart in all directions.
 
2020-09-03 3:26:01 AM  

dericwater: It's CHANGING the entertainment industry. And the secret to how to succeed? Follow whatever porn does.


And the porn sites aren't making that much new content lately.  I suspect Blacked and similar sites will increase their shoots in the south of Europe with girls who don't speak that much English.
 
2020-09-03 3:29:55 AM  
On the bright side it's giving me time to finish my first-time Supernatural binge before the last half of the final season airs.  So I got that going for me.
 
2020-09-03 3:52:13 AM  
Rewatching The Last Airbender & The Legend of Korra.  Totally willing to pay $30 for Wonder Woman 1984 and Black Widow. I'm doing all i can.
 
2020-09-03 4:16:38 AM  

Socrofece: The Legend of Korra.


Is it any good?
 
2020-09-03 4:36:36 AM  

ZMugg: Is it any good


Yes!  It's definitely a bit different than The Last Airbender, being more steampunk than fantasy.  It's also more... episodic.  Nickelodeon really farked with the creators, which led to some issues, like the first season having a too-quick wrap-up... but it made the show interesting in other ways.   There are 4 seasons, and Korra has her big "fulfill her destiny and save the world" story in season 2... while seasons 3 and 4 have lower stakes for the planet, but are much better seasons overall.  What happens to a Chosen One after they've achieved their life's purpose, but still have the rest of their life to live?

Overall, though, it's amazing.
 
2020-09-03 5:57:40 AM  
The video game industry is doing great.
 
2020-09-03 6:16:43 AM  
It might be saving it as well.  It's a chance to cut the fat and get rid of people who needed to be gotten rid of.

Things are definitely changing.
 
2020-09-03 6:21:19 AM  

dericwater: It's CHANGING the entertainment industry. And the secret to how to succeed? Follow whatever porn does.


So you're saying I should watch moreporn?  I'm not sure there are enough hours in the day.
 
2020-09-03 6:37:48 AM  

dericwater: It's CHANGING the entertainment industry. And the secret to how to succeed? Follow whatever porn does.


What, get involved in the trafficking and abuse of vulnerable women?
 
2020-09-03 6:42:51 AM  

buttercat: It might be saving it as well.  It's a chance to cut the fat and get rid of people who needed to be gotten rid of.

That's not how the entertainment industry works.  That's not how any industry works.  The fat's in charge.  It's not cutting itself off.  The fat cuts the meat down to the bone.
 
2020-09-03 6:50:22 AM  
I have a lot of sympathy for the people doing the grunt work in the entertainment industry.  Like any other industry, they're the first to get sh*t on when things go bad.  When it comes to the ones "producing" the entertainment, like the studios, they've been screwing over people for so many years with "Hollywood accounting."  They can piss right off.
 
2020-09-03 6:52:25 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: The video game industry is doing great.

Yes and no.  It's mostly coasting off existing stuff.  I'm sure the investors are loving all the extra free money (of how much goes to the creators, I wonder), but production has the same problems as everything else.  VAs can't safely record together (you can't wear masks during VA work unless you're doing a soft reboot of Nausicaa) so they can't play off one another's delivery.  Want a live-recorded orchestral soundtrack?  Good luck -- the musicians aren't going to pack themselves together in a sound studio.  Storyboards also can't be reviewed in your usual entmoots.  Conventions are suspended, so there goes a lot of low-cost marketing and impulse swag buys.

That's not to say nothing can get made.  But we're probably going to see a dramatic drop in production values for anything that isn't directly related to tech.  Not everything can be fixed with a Zoom meeting.
 
2020-09-03 7:31:14 AM  

buttercat: It might be saving it as well.  It's a chance to cut the fat and get rid of people who needed to be gotten rid of.



Is that like herd immunity?
 
2020-09-03 7:39:05 AM  

dragonchild: Tyrone Slothrop: The video game industry is doing great.
Yes and no.  It's mostly coasting off existing stuff.  I'm sure the investors are loving all the extra free money (of how much goes to the creators, I wonder), but production has the same problems as everything else.  VAs can't safely record together (you can't wear masks during VA work unless you're doing a soft reboot of Nausicaa) so they can't play off one another's delivery.  Want a live-recorded orchestral soundtrack?  Good luck -- the musicians aren't going to pack themselves together in a sound studio.  Storyboards also can't be reviewed in your usual entmoots.  Conventions are suspended, so there goes a lot of low-cost marketing and impulse swag buys.

That's not to say nothing can get made.  But we're probably going to see a dramatic drop in production values for anything that isn't directly related to tech.  Not everything can be fixed with a Zoom meeting.


None of those things are needed to make good games. Or even bad ones.
 
2020-09-03 7:50:40 AM  

dragonchild: Tyrone Slothrop: The video game industry is doing great.

That's not to say nothing can get made.  But we're probably going to see a dramatic drop in production values for anything that isn't directly related to tech.  Not everything can be fixed with a Zoom meeting.


I work in games and it's been a mixed bag for sure.

If you had stuff out, or quite close to being ready to go out, when lockdown hit then you've probably done well out of it. Ghost of Tsushima And the FF7 remake for example, people have the spare time to tackle a big game so they've likely sold better than they would've otherwise (we'll never know for sure).

Likewise games that are very social have done well, people wanted things to let them keep in touch whilst having fun, so stuff like the games in Snapchat and WeChat have done well. Fallguys and the various battle royale games fall under that too.

But if you were midway through production on a big title you're likely working a lot slower now. Lots of games that were due 4th quarter this year are delayed, Halo Infinite for example. And if you were in pre-production you may well find it best to just cancel or heavily delay it.

There's anecdotal evidence that western developers have generally been less affected by the switch to remote working than Japanese ones have. (We've actually found we've been more productive with full remote work, but that's more because it flushed out a bunch of issues with our production process than because remote is defintely better)
 
2020-09-03 8:00:04 AM  
"Financial ramifications will likely be felt by studios, filmmakers, theater owners, and more for months or even years."

So, same as the rest of the country.
 
2020-09-03 8:16:53 AM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: dericwater: It's CHANGING the entertainment industry. And the secret to how to succeed? Follow whatever porn does.

So you're saying I should watch moreporn?  I'm not sure there are enough hours in the day.


Sure there are. Everybody knows that one 2020 hour = four normal hours. You just need to double up on the Vaseline.
 
2020-09-03 9:09:22 AM  
I feel bad for concert venues. If the only places left to see a show are the ones owned by Clear Channel, well, at least I'll save a bunch of money I used to spend on tickets and beer.
 
2020-09-03 9:48:04 AM  

dragonchild: buttercat: It might be saving it as well.  It's a chance to cut the fat and get rid of people who needed to be gotten rid of.
That's not how the entertainment industry works.  That's not how any industry works.  The fat's in charge.  It's not cutting itself off.  The fat cuts the meat down to the bone.


Exactly this. Live Nation/AEG/et alwill be fine. Meanwhile, venues are starting to go out of business. When things return to whatever "normal" is, live music still won't be possible if the venues are gone.
 
2020-09-03 9:50:28 AM  
So pretty much like every other type of business in the country? Yeah it sucks but the winners in this will be the ones most adept to change during these times.
 
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2020-09-03 9:51:07 AM  
Headline should read as past tense.  Live shows (especially at smaller venues) were already a shadow of their former selves, the virus just sped up the outcome.

The film industry has a much better chance of adaptation.
 
2020-09-03 9:54:47 AM  
In January my brother turned down an offer to move to LA and do video production for a major label. It was a difficult decision at the time but he'd be flat broke right now if he'd gone.  He's getting by filming outdoor weddings and pre-recording content for big annual corporate events that will be remote.
 
2020-09-03 10:07:05 AM  

Thunderboy: dragonchild: buttercat: It might be saving it as well.  It's a chance to cut the fat and get rid of people who needed to be gotten rid of.
That's not how the entertainment industry works.  That's not how any industry works.  The fat's in charge.  It's not cutting itself off.  The fat cuts the meat down to the bone.

Exactly this. Live Nation/AEG/et alwill be fine. Meanwhile, venues are starting to go out of business. When things return to whatever "normal" is, live music still won't be possible if the venues are gone.


The big ampitheaters and places that kind of suck to see concerts, they'll still be there.  But your favorite bar / little venue that holds 500 people and is awesome to see a show may not be.
 
2020-09-03 10:16:54 AM  

Socrofece: ZMugg: Is it any good

Yes!  It's definitely a bit different than The Last Airbender, being more steampunk than fantasy.  It's also more... episodic.  Nickelodeon really farked with the creators, which led to some issues, like the first season having a too-quick wrap-up... but it made the show interesting in other ways.   There are 4 seasons, and Korra has her big "fulfill her destiny and save the world" story in season 2... while seasons 3 and 4 have lower stakes for the planet, but are much better seasons overall.  What happens to a Chosen One after they've achieved their life's purpose, but still have the rest of their life to live?

Overall, though, it's amazing.


I really love Korra. To me the second season is fairly bad, making her do many things against character, the first and fourth are uneven but largely excellent, and the third season is exceptional.
 
2020-09-03 10:38:45 AM  

groppet: So pretty much like every other type of business in the country? Yeah it sucks but the winners in this will be the ones most adept to change during these times.


Hmmm.  Sounds like you're on to a theory, there.  I ponder the impact of your statement while sitting here in my smoking jacket with my pet Beagle at my feet thinking about my trip to the South Pacific.  *strokes my beard in contemplation.*
 
2020-09-03 10:42:39 AM  
Politics destroyed entertainment years before Corona showed up.
 
2020-09-03 10:42:52 AM  
This is what happens when you have an entire country that insists on doing things ass-backwards.
Control the virus first, then "normal" fixes itself. Instead "normal" is pushed first, even though that "normal" is what spreads the virus and makes the situation worse. Until things are done in the correct order the closures, job losses and destruction will continue.
 
2020-09-03 10:43:00 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: None of those things are needed to make good games.

That's why I said, it's not like nothing's getting made.  If you're all about small indie titles then you're probably fine, although they'll have fewer ways to stand out from each other.  The big companies function more like animation studios than code shops these days, so they're getting impacted in similar ways.
 
2020-09-03 10:47:29 AM  

ChuckNorrisSays: Politics destroyed entertainment years before Corona showed up.


If this is your actual point of view, you're a dipshiat.

If your login and posts are intended to be in character and on-brand, you nailed it.
 
2020-09-03 10:54:09 AM  
For live music, this sucks.

For movie studios, perhaps their vast mountain ranges of money can help?
 
2020-09-03 11:04:56 AM  
I've been thinking about finding a local performance group just for lols since I picked up saxophone again.  Who knows when that's going to happen.

Oh, well, I need the time to practice.
 
2020-09-03 11:31:37 AM  

ChuckNorrisSays: Politics destroyed entertainment years before Corona showed up.


You forgot to say "wokeness," minus 20 cranky boomerpost points.
 
2020-09-03 12:01:56 PM  

DecemberNitro: For live music, this sucks.

For movie studios, perhaps their vast mountain ranges of money can help?


Just because you have a lot of money today doesn't mean much if you can't make more.
 
2020-09-03 12:29:30 PM  

Wave Of Anal Fury: I have a lot of sympathy for the people doing the grunt work in the entertainment industry.  Like any other industry, they're the first to get sh*t on when things go bad.  When it comes to the ones "producing" the entertainment, like the studios, they've been screwing over people for so many years with "Hollywood accounting."  They can piss right off.


My roommates "career" was setting up shows for a pretty big local production company. It wasn't steady work but he made enough to pay his bills and party on.

He's finally admitted that the industry is dead for now and its time to learn a trade. He's starting ac tech classes and I'm kinda proud of him.

//more realistically his unemployment benefits ran out and realized its time to get off his ass before he burns through his savings.
 
2020-09-03 12:57:27 PM  
Despite the quarantine some people are still making great music. These online collabs just fascinate me how well they're done. It's a lot of work to put this stuff together and not everyone can pull it off like Rick can 

Right Now - Constantine Maroulis and the Band Geeks (Quarantine Edition)
Youtube 1OLn6-0pwUM
 
2020-09-03 2:33:43 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Socrofece: ZMugg: Is it any good

Yes!  It's definitely a bit different than The Last Airbender, being more steampunk than fantasy.  It's also more... episodic.  Nickelodeon really farked with the creators, which led to some issues, like the first season having a too-quick wrap-up... but it made the show interesting in other ways.   There are 4 seasons, and Korra has her big "fulfill her destiny and save the world" story in season 2... while seasons 3 and 4 have lower stakes for the planet, but are much better seasons overall.  What happens to a Chosen One after they've achieved their life's purpose, but still have the rest of their life to live?

Overall, though, it's amazing.

I really love Korra. To me the second season is fairly bad, making her do many things against character, the first and fourth are uneven but largely excellent, and the third season is exceptional.

For future reference: the outstanding animated series is called Avatar: The Last Airbender (or A:TLA for short). There is no such thing as any animated series nor live-action movie entitled simply "The Last Airbender" (TLA). Nope. Never happened. Never existed.
 
2020-09-03 3:43:04 PM  
Yes and no....

I have family and friends that are writers out in Hollywood.  The take from them is that for the first time in a long time the studios are looking at what's coming to them and being more selective about what they're going to do when things start to open up again.

As a musician its been tough.  I've seen a lot of venues go under.  But I've also seen the places that were goddamned terrible shutter a lot more often than the places that places that celebrated live music rather than seemed obligated to have it because it was on the sign.

Bands have been in a tough spot.  I know of guys that haven't had their axe out of the case since April.  At least two no longer have bands.  But I also know of bands that are still rehearsing and finding other ways to make a little money here and there and are honing their craft in anticipation of the pandemic ending.
 
2020-09-03 5:52:54 PM  

dericwater: It's CHANGING the entertainment industry. And the secret to how to succeed? Follow whatever porn does.


Scarlett Johansson OnlyFans when?
 
2020-09-03 6:23:06 PM  

hundreddollarman: dericwater: It's CHANGING the entertainment industry. And the secret to how to succeed? Follow whatever porn does.

Scarlett Johansson OnlyFans when?


She'll make bank, yes.
 
2020-09-03 7:58:35 PM  

Wave Of Anal Fury: I have a lot of sympathy for the people doing the grunt work in the entertainment industry.  Like any other industry, they're the first to get sh*t on when things go bad.  When it comes to the ones "producing" the entertainment, like the studios, they've been screwing over people for so many years with "Hollywood accounting."  They can piss right off.


You sound like a grunt.
 
2020-09-03 8:01:01 PM  

slobberbone: "Financial ramifications will likely be felt by studios, filmmakers, theater owners, and more for months or even years."

So, same as the rest of the country.


Yep. People will realize that spending 13 dollars per ticket and the hassle of going to a theater to see something that in 3 months you can have a party and spend 39.99 to have a dozen people see it in a relaxed, private setting is ridiculous.
 
2020-09-03 10:14:20 PM  

bfh0417: slobberbone: "Financial ramifications will likely be felt by studios, filmmakers, theater owners, and more for months or even years."

So, same as the rest of the country.

Yep. People will realize that spending 13 dollars per ticket and the hassle of going to a theater to see something that in 3 months you can have a party and spend 39.99 to have a dozen people see it in a relaxed, private setting is ridiculous.


To each their own, but the last thing I want to do when having a bunch of people over is watch a movie.
 
2020-09-04 5:52:51 AM  

bfh0417: Wave Of Anal Fury: I have a lot of sympathy for the people doing the grunt work in the entertainment industry.  Like any other industry, they're the first to get sh*t on when things go bad.  When it comes to the ones "producing" the entertainment, like the studios, they've been screwing over people for so many years with "Hollywood accounting."  They can piss right off.

You sound like a grunt.


You sound like an assumption-making moron.
 
2020-09-04 9:48:59 AM  

Wave Of Anal Fury: bfh0417: Wave Of Anal Fury: I have a lot of sympathy for the people doing the grunt work in the entertainment industry.  Like any other industry, they're the first to get sh*t on when things go bad.  When it comes to the ones "producing" the entertainment, like the studios, they've been screwing over people for so many years with "Hollywood accounting."  They can piss right off.

You sound like a grunt.

You sound like an assumption-making moron.


You both sound like you should fark. Hard. And get it out.
 
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