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(Gizmodo)   With all that's going on in 2020, let's take a moment to check in on the Amazon rainforest and see how it's doing. Oh, lawdy   (earther.gizmodo.com) divider line
    More: Scary, Brazil, Amazon River, Human rights, Rainforest, Major fires, Carbon dioxide, Amazon Rainforest, Biodiversity  
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2020-09-01 1:46:19 PM  
In the 1600s, about half of the future United States was covered in forests. Most of that came down to build a nation.
 
2020-09-01 4:52:07 PM  
It really doesn't help that Brazil has a fascist dumbf*ck in charge like we do.
 
2020-09-01 4:56:06 PM  
I like soy products.

We need to label foods and products that are coming from this activity so we can avoid them, and that they see their international demand dry up.

Actual free market solutions are the only way to stop it. You'll never do it legislatively or diplomatically.
 
2020-09-01 4:58:59 PM  

edmo: In the 1600s, about half of the future United States was covered in forests. Most of that came down to build a nation.


Was that actually a good thing?
People always cry about slowly progress. But, I don't know if we should have been in a rush to progress to making nukes.  Maybe slow and steady would have been better.
 
2020-09-01 5:00:26 PM  

MurphyMurphy: I like soy products.

We need to label foods and products that are coming from this activity so we can avoid them, and that they see their international demand dry up.

Actual free market solutions are the only way to stop it. You'll never do it legislatively or diplomatically.


LOL. If so I'd be able to find palm oil free products and I can't
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2020-09-01 5:02:53 PM  
meh.
People greatly overestimate our ability to damage the planet. The Earth and its oceans and atmosphere are a massive self correcting system of systems that will adapt and adjust to whatever we introduce into it. All we are doing is rapidly making conditions unfavorable for OUR continued existence.

The planet will be fine. After 500 years without us youll never even know we existed.
 
2020-09-01 5:04:07 PM  

MurphyMurphy: free market solutions


This is what the grave stone of civilization will read.
 
2020-09-01 5:04:20 PM  
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2020-09-01 5:04:26 PM  
I see where this is going.

In 2154, humans have depleted Earth's natural resources, leading to a severe energy crisis. The Resources Development Administration (RDA) mines a valuable mineral unobtanium on Pandora, a densely forested habitable moon orbiting Polyphemus, a fictional gas giant in the Alpha Centauri star system.

Now a space force makes more sense.

/Pardon me, I need a shower.
// sadly not a co-ed shower.
/// slashies
 
2020-09-01 5:04:59 PM  
This is what happens when you don't pay for prime.
 
2020-09-01 5:05:59 PM  

waxbeans: edmo: In the 1600s, about half of the future United States was covered in forests. Most of that came down to build a nation.

Was that actually a good thing?
People always cry about slowly progress. But, I don't know if we should have been in a rush to progress to making nukes.  Maybe slow and steady would have been better.


It's good only in that probably  half of that timber "to build a nation" ended up being sold to outside interests.

It's good if you're a pre-Sherman Trust Era Timber Baron who squandered it building your farking megamansion while the plebs eat shoe leather.
 
2020-09-01 5:13:17 PM  
I dunno subby. That meme is probably problematic in these times.
 
2020-09-01 5:24:52 PM  

dothemath: meh.
People greatly overestimate our ability to damage the planet. The Earth and its oceans and atmosphere are a massive self correcting system of systems that will adapt and adjust to whatever we introduce into it. All we are doing is rapidly making conditions unfavorable for OUR continued existence.

The planet will be fine. After 500 years without us youll never even know we existed.


Very much correct. But, some us would like to extend that and the rest of us assume money will save them from a destroyed the globe. It won't.
 
2020-09-01 5:26:45 PM  

waxbeans: Very much correct. But, some us would like to extend that


Sorry, this ends with a bunch of mushroom clouds. Period.
 
2020-09-01 5:27:50 PM  

dothemath: waxbeans: Very much correct. But, some us would like to extend that

Sorry, this ends with a bunch of mushroom clouds. Period.


Only if we choose to
 
2020-09-01 5:31:21 PM  

waxbeans: dothemath: waxbeans: Very much correct. But, some us would like to extend that

Sorry, this ends with a bunch of mushroom clouds. Period.

Only if we choose to


The only we, as a species, consistently spend too much money on is weaponry.
 
2020-09-01 5:46:05 PM  

dothemath: MurphyMurphy: free market solutions

This is what the grave stone of civilization will read.


I mean the term sincerely. Most that use it do not.

If you have a better solution, I'm all ears.
 
2020-09-01 5:55:18 PM  
The water that flows in the atmosphere above the Amazon rain forest is larger than any river that runs outside of the Amazon.  Once the trees, which helps aspirate the water into they sky are gone, so will the river in the air.  Then the Amazon River, and the whole continent will become a desert.
And all that water will come out of the sky and flood the earth.

Mankind is adding trillions of pounds of C02 into the atmosphere.  That doesn't disappear in 500 years.
I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up like Venus.  Carbon that was sequestered in the earth is now in the atmosphere, and O2 sensitive creatures, like insects, will just mass extinct faster than we want to believe.  We think these things take time, but at some point the breeding collapses and the population is done.

And thanks to what China is doing the oceans with their illegal global fishing fleets, both land and sea will die at the same time.
That's when the food wars turn into water wars and civilization ends.  I give it to 2050.  Could be as soon as 2025.  Once the Atlantic current stops as Greenland ice melt off stops the flow, Europe will be hit hard and then Asia next.  Won't take long for it to go really fast.

But hey, there was a lot of shareholder value created, and the Koch brothers got to die just a little bit richer, having never spent it down.
 
2020-09-01 6:01:55 PM  

MurphyMurphy: dothemath: MurphyMurphy: free market solutions

This is what the grave stone of civilization will read.

I mean the term sincerely. Most that use it do not.

If you have a better solution, I'm all ears.


The problem is the Market isn't really paying all the costs for the products they build.  You buy the product, but you don't pay for the disposal.  Take oil for a second.  You should have to pay for the costs of taking that CO2 out of the air after you've burnt it in your car.  But you don't.   And nobody in history has.  But that's why the air and ocean are so polluted.   The Free Market (blessing be upon it's name) never had to pay all the TRUE costs, and any attempt to correct that is met with "Socialism", "job killer" and other euphemisms about corporate rule.

Free Market is a religion and things like the science of the climate is attacked with the lies of paid shills and willing idiots.
So we can have jobs until the environment completely collapses, or we can say the billionaires have had a good run and we need to be pumping billions into carbon sequestration technologies immediately and widely.

So the Free Market isn't and they won't allow a free discussion to come up with a true plan to save the world.

Thus the world is destined to burn.  And burn hard.
 
2020-09-01 6:12:13 PM  

dougermouse: MurphyMurphy: dothemath: MurphyMurphy: free market solutions

This is what the grave stone of civilization will read.

I mean the term sincerely. Most that use it do not.

If you have a better solution, I'm all ears.

The problem is the Market isn't really paying all the costs for the products they build.  You buy the product, but you don't pay for the disposal.  Take oil for a second.  You should have to pay for the costs of taking that CO2 out of the air after you've burnt it in your car.  But you don't.   And nobody in history has.  But that's why the air and ocean are so polluted.   The Free Market (blessing be upon it's name) never had to pay all the TRUE costs, and any attempt to correct that is met with "Socialism", "job killer" and other euphemisms about corporate rule.

Free Market is a religion and things like the science of the climate is attacked with the lies of paid shills and willing idiots.
So we can have jobs until the environment completely collapses, or we can say the billionaires have had a good run and we need to be pumping billions into carbon sequestration technologies immediately and widely.

So the Free Market isn't and they won't allow a free discussion to come up with a true plan to save the world.

Thus the world is destined to burn.  And burn hard.


Yeah,
What in there makes labeling products that come from these activities a bad idea?
 
2020-09-01 6:14:04 PM  

dothemath: meh.
People greatly overestimate our ability to damage the planet. The Earth and its oceans and atmosphere are a massive self correcting system of systems that will adapt and adjust to whatever we introduce into it. All we are doing is rapidly making conditions unfavorable for OUR continued existence.

The planet will be fine. After 500 years without us youll never even know we existed.


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2020-09-01 6:15:55 PM  
That's so 15 minutes ago. The rain forest had it time in the spotlight.
 
2020-09-01 6:17:13 PM  

MurphyMurphy: dothemath: MurphyMurphy: free market solutions

This is what the grave stone of civilization will read.

I mean the term sincerely. Most that use it do not.

If you have a better solution, I'm all ears.


I'm just going to go out on a limb and say "the free market solutions" are what's causing this crap.

They are loathe to do any regulating.
 
2020-09-01 6:27:58 PM  
but my Stock is up!
 
2020-09-01 7:13:26 PM  
Amazon basin  = 2.7 million square miles.
California = 0.16 million square miles.
Total size of all fires = 0.0014 million square miles.
Reporter = OMG!  The Amazon basin had just as many fires as California!!!!!!

Yes, it is a serious issue.  But when your comparison actually makes the problem look much, much smaller just because you are a reporter and "math is hard!" you aren't helping.  It also allows politicians to correctly claim that you are lying when groups say/imply the Amazon will be destroyed in just a few years.
 
2020-09-01 7:26:16 PM  

dothemath: meh.
People greatly overestimate our ability to damage the planet. The Earth and its oceans and atmosphere are a massive self correcting system of systems that will adapt and adjust to whatever we introduce into it. All we are doing is rapidly making conditions unfavorable for OUR continued existence.

The planet will be fine. After 500 years without us youll never even know we existed.


Oddly enough, the margin of tolerance for our continued existence is shared by a lot of other species on the planet. We're gonna take a lot of plants and animals down with us.

I would rather we not. They didn't ask for any of this.
 
2020-09-01 7:51:34 PM  

waxbeans: edmo: In the 1600s, about half of the future United States was covered in forests. Most of that came down to build a nation.

Was that actually a good thing?
People always cry about slowly progress. But, I don't know if we should have been in a rush to progress to making nukes.  Maybe slow and steady would have been better.


I'm not opining it is or is not. It's just how it was.
 
2020-09-01 8:00:12 PM  
You mean it's still a forest? These slackers better hurry up, I want parking lots and malls before I die in a nursing home after being abandoned after a hurricane.
 
2020-09-02 12:24:57 PM  
Amazon rain-forest still a thing?
 
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