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(Slate)   Colleges have begun blaming students for Covid-19 outbreaks   (slate.com) divider line
    More: Obvious, University, college campuses, university-specific data, cases of COVID-19, New York Times, school administrators, resumption of classes, SUNY Chancellor Jim Malatras  
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2020-09-01 4:03:37 AM  
Damn customers
 
2020-09-01 4:17:43 AM  
Administrators are complete idiots if they entertained, even for a split second, the idea that students would obey covid restrictions.

But yes the outbreaks are the students' faults, and the students who did this deserve blame.  The students are legal adults, who have all been informed about covid, who know that it's a risk factor to disregard restrictions.  Nobody forced them to go to these parties.  But they went to these parties of their volition, and spread the disease as a result.  Therefore it is their fault.
 
2020-09-01 5:01:30 AM  
Well, technically, they are right. And technically is the best kind of right.
 
2020-09-01 6:09:08 AM  
And another thing: you better sit on that zoo fraternity of yours.  I don't want no drunken covid outbreaks in my town.
 
2020-09-01 6:30:11 AM  
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2020-09-01 6:34:37 AM  
So you are saying that young adults are making bad decisions?  This is a repeat from every year starting since higher education, well started.
 
2020-09-01 6:46:48 AM  

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It's not really on my to-do list..
 
2020-09-01 6:54:08 AM  
I guess the cheques cleared.
 
2020-09-01 7:23:40 AM  

Merltech: So you are saying that young adults are making bad decisions?  This is a repeat from every year starting since higher education, well started.


I would say every year since young adults were first invented
 
2020-09-01 7:28:18 AM  

Alphax: farkingismybusiness: [pbs.twimg.com image 850x1111]

It's not really on my to-do list..


For some reason your comment triggered a funny college memory. On the absurdly rare occasion where we would find ourselves at a frat or sorority party, my roommates and I would have an unspoken contest to see who could take home the most remote controls. Stereo, tv, whatever. If it looked like a remote someone was palming it.
 
2020-09-01 7:51:04 AM  
Students are to blame for ignoring the rules designed to protect everyone. These are adults who are old enough to marry, have and raise children, fight in wars etc... The are responsible for their own damn actions and agreed to these rules as part of attending college.

That said it is the college's responsibility to use common sense and to make sure that their plans are reasonable. Obviously expecting college kids to strictly follow the rules is not reasonable. So if you can't have safeguards in place to enforce those rules you're not using common sense and you're allowing a predictable problem to occur.

If I leave my car unlocked and running in a bad neighborhood and it gets stolen the thief is still responsible but I'd be an idiot.
 
2020-09-01 8:52:56 AM  
I would love to see college student COVID rates broken out by major.
 
2020-09-01 9:11:40 AM  

BizarreMan: Merltech: So you are saying that young adults are making bad decisions?  This is a repeat from every year starting since higher education, well started.

I would say every year since young adults were first invented


You guys say that like there aren't plenty of older adults making bad decisions, especially COVID-related decisions.
 
2020-09-01 9:36:17 AM  
NO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, YOU ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO DO THINGS THAT MAKE US WEALTHY AND THEREFORE HAPPY.  JUST BECAUSE WE'VE RE-OPENED SCHOOLS DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE A SOCIAL LIFE.
 
2020-09-01 10:26:59 AM  
Considering that a few years ago some 'Ivy' kids were caught putting together a 'secret' group on *facebook* I'd say the average intelligence of college students is heading southwards...
 
2020-09-01 10:32:24 AM  

Laobaojun: I would love to see college student COVID rates broken out by major.


Do it by sport, it would be a lot closer match.  Not based on contact in the sport, but the tendency to party.

At my school, it's the lacrosse players, especially the women.  (The men are apparently trying to isolate as a team). You'd think it would be the football players, but the coach has a good handle on them.
 
2020-09-01 10:34:31 AM  

hobbes0022: NO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, YOU ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO DO THINGS THAT MAKE US WEALTHY AND THEREFORE HAPPY.  JUST BECAUSE WE'VE RE-OPENED SCHOOLS DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE A SOCIAL LIFE.


Don't you have a movie theater you should be going to?  Or a sporting event with jam-packed stands?
 
2020-09-01 10:43:16 AM  

Wave Of Anal Fury: hobbes0022: NO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, YOU ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO DO THINGS THAT MAKE US WEALTHY AND THEREFORE HAPPY.  JUST BECAUSE WE'VE RE-OPENED SCHOOLS DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE A SOCIAL LIFE.

Don't you have a movie theater you should be going to?  Or a sporting event with jam-packed stands?



I'm pointing out the absurdity of systems saying it's okay for their 'things' to go back to normal, but it's unacceptable and the fault of the individual if COVID starts spreading again.  This is like the banks blaming homeowners for accepting all of their shiatty loans.
 
2020-09-01 10:48:19 AM  

hobbes0022: Wave Of Anal Fury: hobbes0022: NO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, YOU ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO DO THINGS THAT MAKE US WEALTHY AND THEREFORE HAPPY.  JUST BECAUSE WE'VE RE-OPENED SCHOOLS DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE A SOCIAL LIFE.

Don't you have a movie theater you should be going to?  Or a sporting event with jam-packed stands?


I'm pointing out the absurdity of systems saying it's okay for their 'things' to go back to normal, but it's unacceptable and the fault of the individual if COVID starts spreading again.  This is like the banks blaming homeowners for accepting all of their shiatty loans.


And i would add, they are purely re-opening to make money, there are providing hardly any leeway to fairly let people take time off from school if they are concerned for their health.
 
2020-09-01 11:36:33 AM  

aerojockey: Administrators are complete idiots if they entertained, even for a split second, the idea that students would obey covid restrictions.

But yes the outbreaks are the students' faults, and the students who did this deserve blame.  The students are legal adults, who have all been informed about covid, who know that it's a risk factor to disregard restrictions.  Nobody forced them to go to these parties.  But they went to these parties of their volition, and spread the disease as a result.  Therefore it is their fault.


Well you saved me a lot of typing.
 
2020-09-01 11:54:01 AM  

hobbes0022: And i would add, they are purely re-opening to make money, there are providing hardly any leeway to fairly let people take time off from school if they are concerned for their health.


You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but as someone who's married to a university dean, I've heard enough to believe you're flat out wrong.  It may certainly be the case at smaller private universities that have a very small enrollment, the kind that can't handle a significant drop in revenues.  But when it comes to big public universities (and my wife is dean at a typical one), "making money" is probably the only concern I haven't heard from her over the last six months or so, ever since the emergence of COVID.
 
2020-09-01 12:48:51 PM  
How many were tested? How many are asymptomatic? How many false positives?

You farkers act like there are piles of bodies burning nightly. The fact is that if you're not elderly, and if you don't have other health problems covid-19 is simply not deadly.
 
2020-09-01 1:03:51 PM  

Chinesenookiefactory: How many were tested? How many are asymptomatic? How many false positives?

You farkers act like there are piles of bodies burning nightly. The fact is that if you're not elderly, and if you don't have other health problems covid-19 is simply not deadly.


Sure, but it's a really bad time that could last for months or even longer.  Death shouldn't be the only measuring stick here.
 
2020-09-01 1:13:43 PM  
College students want the whole experience, not just classes. If the latter was all they wanted, community colleges would be the first choice.

Universities market the whole experience. Endlessly. And then they're shocked the students do what they do?
 
2020-09-01 2:51:49 PM  

willwall: Students are to blame for ignoring the rules designed to protect everyone. These are adults who are old enough to marry, have and raise children, fight in wars etc... The are responsible for their own damn actions and agreed to these rules as part of attending college.

That said it is the college's responsibility to use common sense and to make sure that their plans are reasonable. Obviously expecting college kids to strictly follow the rules is not reasonable. So if you can't have safeguards in place to enforce those rules you're not using common sense and you're allowing a predictable problem to occur.

If I leave my car unlocked and running in a bad neighborhood and it gets stolen the thief is still responsible but I'd be an idiot.


One might have strong questions about for instance university policies that result in a "rape culture" on campus to realize that simply outlawing a given practice is not sufficient, practices have to be in place to prevent the activity you wish to discourage.
All the expulsion pledges do is make sure no one admits to being at the party that spread the disease.
 
2020-09-01 7:45:48 PM  

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This covidiot frat party sponsored by Miracle Whip and canned cream of chicken soup.
 
2020-09-02 11:40:24 AM  

Fano: willwall: Students are to blame for ignoring the rules designed to protect everyone. These are adults who are old enough to marry, have and raise children, fight in wars etc... The are responsible for their own damn actions and agreed to these rules as part of attending college.

That said it is the college's responsibility to use common sense and to make sure that their plans are reasonable. Obviously expecting college kids to strictly follow the rules is not reasonable. So if you can't have safeguards in place to enforce those rules you're not using common sense and you're allowing a predictable problem to occur.

If I leave my car unlocked and running in a bad neighborhood and it gets stolen the thief is still responsible but I'd be an idiot.

One might have strong questions about for instance university policies that result in a "rape culture" on campus to realize that simply outlawing a given practice is not sufficient, practices have to be in place to prevent the activity you wish to discourage.
All the expulsion pledges do is make sure no one admits to being at the party that spread the disease.


Though technically for all the talk of "rape culture on college campuses" aren't women attending university victimized at lower rates than their peers who are not attending?

/Unrelated to covid obviously, just haven't seen anything indicating universities are actually worse than society in general for sexual assault despite the narrative to the contrary.
 
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