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2020-08-29 5:30:35 PM  
Is it healthier than real meat? Nope, not that either. Then what is it for?

It's for people who want to taste meat but not feel guilty about how animals are treated. It's the perfect first world solution to a first world problem.
 
2020-08-29 5:52:59 PM  
In before "It can't be meat, it's from a plant" OCD people.

Who are wrong. IE: the "meat of a walnut"

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/mea​t
 
2020-08-29 5:59:00 PM  
I briefly considered ordering one of their variety packs. But that is $50 for one of each of their meat offerings, and less than a pound. Unless my math was off. So the stuff is more than $10/pound?
 
2020-08-29 6:30:55 PM  
Good, I'll feed it to the steers.
 
2020-08-29 6:40:12 PM  
I always find it weird that vegans desire vegetable versions of meat.

You don't see carnivores demanding all-beef cauliflower, do you?
 
2020-08-29 6:45:31 PM  
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2020-08-29 6:45:33 PM  
Yeah, when I got groceries yesterday I had a $1 off on one of these.  So I could buy 1 lb of not-meat for $8.99, or 1 lb of 80/20 ground beef for $4.99 a lb.  Guess what I'm cooking tomorrow for my(<a href ="https://hot-thai-kitchen.com/thai-ta​co/ https://hot-thai-kitchen.com/thai-taco​/"> Thai tacos</a>

And why doesn't my link work?  I've spent a lot of time/iterations on it, yet it refuses to be a link.
 
2020-08-29 6:50:08 PM  

Snotnose: And why doesn't my link work?


There's two urls in the href locator.

here you go
 
2020-08-29 6:54:39 PM  
Plant based meat is called beef, veal, mutton, venison, goat, etc.
Fake meat based on plants is generally expensive, nasty and

HugeMistake: Is it healthier than real meat? Nope, not that either.


We just had a thread on this, and the answer is the same in this one. Eat meat, or don't, but stop with the pretending and bullschitt.
 
2020-08-29 6:56:01 PM  

Snotnose: So I could buy 1 lb of not-meat for $8.99, or 1 lb of 80/20 ground beef for $4.99 a lb. Guess what I'm cooking tomorrow


I don't know, but it is something that involves a lot of fat and gristle.
 
2020-08-29 7:04:45 PM  

Snotnose: Yeah, when I got groceries yesterday I had a $1 off on one of these.  So I could buy 1 lb of not-meat for $8.99, or 1 lb of 80/20 ground beef for $4.99 a lb.  Guess what I'm cooking tomorrow for my(<a href ="https://hot-thai-kitchen.com/thai-ta​co/ https://hot-thai-kitchen.com/thai-taco​/"> Thai tacos</a>

And why doesn't my link work?  I've spent a lot of time/iterations on it, yet it refuses to be a link.


I got tofu at my local Hy Vee yesterday for $2.99 a box.  I'm too lazy to look up the actual weight but it's a "normal" store tofu package.

I haven't seen it that cheap before but I'm looking to incorporate more veggie options into my diet.

I still have a chest freezer downstairs stocked full of meat so I'm not going full on vegan or anything but looking to switch up some meals and whatnot.
 
2020-08-29 7:05:49 PM  
So $10/ a pound for fake meat, high sodium. Or i can pick up a pound of tenderloin for 6 or 7 bucks, which comes with almost 115g of protein?

Decisions...
 
2020-08-29 7:08:45 PM  

Axeofjudgement: So $10/ a pound for fake meat, high sodium. Or i can pick up a pound of tenderloin for 6 or 7 bucks, which comes with almost 115g of protein?

Decisions...


Right?

That seems pretty expensive for your protein source.  I buy a lot of Boca products, burgers, chicken, black bean burgers, etc. but I'm not gonna pay $10/lb. or whatever if that's the actual cost.

Just bought a 7lb. pork shoulder yesterday at $.99/lb. 🤷♂
 
2020-08-29 7:28:08 PM  

TheFoz: Axeofjudgement: So $10/ a pound for fake meat, high sodium. Or i can pick up a pound of tenderloin for 6 or 7 bucks, which comes with almost 115g of protein?

Decisions...

Right?

That seems pretty expensive for your protein source.  I buy a lot of Boca products, burgers, chicken, black bean burgers, etc. but I'm not gonna pay $10/lb. or whatever if that's the actual cost.

Just bought a 7lb. pork shoulder yesterday at $.99/lb. 🤷♂


Chicken is my go to when bulking. A pound of breasts comes out to what? Like 3 bucks? And also like 21g of protein for 3 ounces?  So 110g of protein? For 3 bucks?
 
2020-08-29 8:14:11 PM  
We tried the beyond ground beef awhile back. It was pretty good. You have to get it hot enough to render the fat so you don't have a weird grainy burger. It takes a bit of technique but makes a pretty good burger with real cheese. And make sure you cook it in bacon grease.

/Soyrizo is also almost indiscernible from regular taco meat once it's in a taco with everything else
//Impossible meat>beyond meat
///Still too expensive
 
2020-08-29 8:19:55 PM  

Axeofjudgement: TheFoz: Axeofjudgement: So $10/ a pound for fake meat, high sodium. Or i can pick up a pound of tenderloin for 6 or 7 bucks, which comes with almost 115g of protein?

Decisions...

Right?

That seems pretty expensive for your protein source.  I buy a lot of Boca products, burgers, chicken, black bean burgers, etc. but I'm not gonna pay $10/lb. or whatever if that's the actual cost.

Just bought a 7lb. pork shoulder yesterday at $.99/lb. 🤷♂

Chicken is my go to when bulking. A pound of breasts comes out to what? Like 3 bucks? And also like 21g of protein for 3 ounces?  So 110g of protein? For 3 bucks?


That seems expensive for chicken breast. Here in Ohio it's generally 1.99/lb at a place like Kroger for boneless/skinless and generally a little cheaper for bone-in.
 
2020-08-29 8:25:42 PM  

Snotnose: Yeah, when I got groceries yesterday I had a $1 off on one of these.  So I could buy 1 lb of not-meat for $8.99, or 1 lb of 80/20 ground beef for $4.99 a lb.  Guess what I'm cooking tomorrow for my(<a href ="https://hot-thai-kitchen.com/thai-ta​co/ https://hot-thai-kitchen.com/thai-taco​/"> Thai tacos</a>

And why doesn't my link work?  I've spent a lot of time/iterations on it, yet it refuses to be a link.


Because their broken web site sucks?  No problem, I did a search for Thai tacos and I'm intrigued.  Keeping that one on my to-do list for future dinners.
 
2020-08-29 8:29:49 PM  

OhioUGrad: That seems expensive for chicken breast. Here in Ohio it's generally 1.99/lb at a place like Kroger for boneless/skinless and generally a little cheaper for bone-in.


Ah I was just generalizing and looking up the country median places like Cincinnati are a lot cheaper than say Chicago or NYC or Austin, or take your pick California. Otherwise I agree.

But 10 bucks buys a whole hell of a lot of chicken in Ohio or Montana. Hell at 10 bucks a pound for the fake meat you'll still pay less for the "organic free range" chicken.
 
2020-08-29 8:45:16 PM  

Axeofjudgement: OhioUGrad: That seems expensive for chicken breast. Here in Ohio it's generally 1.99/lb at a place like Kroger for boneless/skinless and generally a little cheaper for bone-in.

Ah I was just generalizing and looking up the country median places like Cincinnati are a lot cheaper than say Chicago or NYC or Austin, or take your pick California. Otherwise I agree.

But 10 bucks buys a whole hell of a lot of chicken in Ohio or Montana. Hell at 10 bucks a pound for the fake meat you'll still pay less for the "organic free range" chicken.


It's the same if not lower here if you hit the packing plants. Right now one of them is selling the skinless boneless breast for $1.59 and a 40lb box of party wings are $55.
/These are normal sales
 
2020-08-29 9:03:32 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Axeofjudgement: OhioUGrad: That seems expensive for chicken breast. Here in Ohio it's generally 1.99/lb at a place like Kroger for boneless/skinless and generally a little cheaper for bone-in.

Ah I was just generalizing and looking up the country median places like Cincinnati are a lot cheaper than say Chicago or NYC or Austin, or take your pick California. Otherwise I agree.

But 10 bucks buys a whole hell of a lot of chicken in Ohio or Montana. Hell at 10 bucks a pound for the fake meat you'll still pay less for the "organic free range" chicken.

It's the same if not lower here if you hit the packing plants. Right now one of them is selling the skinless boneless breast for $1.59 and a 40lb box of party wings are $55.
/These are normal sales


I exaggerated the number based on retail sales in 50 states, just to point out 10/pound is ridiculous for what is a substitute of what many of us consider the main source of protein. Yes we all have our loop holes (i could get like 2 pounds of friggen pork loin for 10 bucks in montana. And holy hell steak was cheap. Hell kill a deer on the road? Throw it in the back and every town has a processor. A lot would even work for meat and not money. Give em the cuts they want and that antelope/elk/deer processing is free minus cost of your car that you apparently used to help the animal commit suicide)

Point still being im not paying for an inferior product that is sodium laddened to hell. When hey "at least I got chicken" for so much more quantity and at a lower cost.

And ill try the fake meat if someone is buying.
 
2020-08-29 9:12:37 PM  
I used to think that eventually the price of plant-based meat would drop below $10 per pound and compete with everyday cuts, if not good steak.

Now I think in another year I'll be glad to pay $14 per pound for gray, almost-outdated chicken parts, the way prices are going...
 
2020-08-29 9:31:55 PM  
Born and raised in the Midwest, the only plant that grace my table are corn, string beans, squash, tomatoes, etc.  I'm 68 and my blood work would make a 25 yo marathoner happy*.  As a friend of the family put it, "The weak ones died."

*No claim as to physical condition here.
 
2020-08-29 9:57:26 PM  
"I thought you guys were all trying to force me to eat healthy, but... I've learned that a lot of this stuff is made in a factory and processed with tons of salt just like all my favorite foods! SpaghettiOs, Rice-A-Roni... Here I was thinking what you wanted was stuff from a farmers market. I just didn't want my food to change. School cafeteria meat is just processed crap that comes in a box, and this is... just processed crap that comes in a box. I don't have a problem with it. All I wanted was to be able to eat the same garbage I always have, and this is definitely garbage. And hey, if it happens to be more ethical and sustainable, well, I guess I'm fine with that, too."

- Cartman from South Park S23E04
 
2020-08-29 10:03:14 PM  

natazha: Born and raised in the Midwest, the only plant that grace my table are corn, string beans, squash, tomatoes, etc.  I'm 68 and my blood work would make a 25 yo marathoner happy*.  As a friend of the family put it, "The weak ones died."

*No claim as to physical condition here.


Yes, but did you eat any meat?
 
2020-08-29 10:56:35 PM  

Axeofjudgement: TheFoz: Axeofjudgement: So $10/ a pound for fake meat, high sodium. Or i can pick up a pound of tenderloin for 6 or 7 bucks, which comes with almost 115g of protein?

Decisions...

Right?

That seems pretty expensive for your protein source.  I buy a lot of Boca products, burgers, chicken, black bean burgers, etc. but I'm not gonna pay $10/lb. or whatever if that's the actual cost.

Just bought a 7lb. pork shoulder yesterday at $.99/lb. 🤷♂

Chicken is my go to when bulking. A pound of breasts comes out to what? Like 3 bucks? And also like 21g of protein for 3 ounces?  So 110g of protein? For 3 bucks?


There are of course, reasons for the discrepancy in prices and cost vs. Production:

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There are many reasons to not consume or purchase meat. Because of subsidies, price often isn't one of them.

Economics aside, I don't eat meat, and don't miss it. I feel no desire for the expensive substitute, but I'm not going to slam people who are into it. A rational society (purely hypothetical) would put Subsidies into the meat substitute, as there are fewer (almost no)  externalities to provide/ clean up.
 
2020-08-29 11:18:22 PM  

yohohogreengiant: There are of course, reasons for the discrepancy in prices and cost vs. Production:

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There are many reasons to not consume or purchase meat. Because of subsidies, price often isn't one of them.

Economics aside, I don't eat meat, and don't miss it. I feel no desire for the expensive substitute, but I'm not going to slam people who are into it. A rational society (purely hypothetical) would put Subsidies into the meat substitute, as there are fewer (almost no)  externalities to provide/ clean up.


Huh thought your side was all about subsidies and free money. Seem plenty of corn and soy destroyed from it.

I like how you addressed the price point but not the one little nutritional fact I mentioned several times. My meals require one little building block of life and strength.

I am not a pencil pusher. I lift and bend and work in steel and steel accessories. Im constantly climbing  scaling and working on small dark and deep places and constantly exerting myself. Day after day. Week after week. Month after month.

Hell I even tried the supplentary vegetarian thing once. Weakest I ever felt and just kept feeling weaker and tired.

My year long task to go veggie? Lasted 2 weeks.

I never slammed your lifestyle. I just mentioned at cost point it is not gonna bring me over.

Also you totally brought the meme. Just keep up your strength. Do this B12 and iron shots and don't get carpel on the way to the keyboard.
 
2020-08-30 6:46:21 AM  

Axeofjudgement: yohohogreengiant: There are of course, reasons for the discrepancy in prices and cost vs. Production:

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There are many reasons to not consume or purchase meat. Because of subsidies, price often isn't one of them.

Economics aside, I don't eat meat, and don't miss it. I feel no desire for the expensive substitute, but I'm not going to slam people who are into it. A rational society (purely hypothetical) would put Subsidies into the meat substitute, as there are fewer (almost no)  externalities to provide/ clean up.

Huh thought your side was all about subsidies and free money. Seem plenty of corn and soy destroyed from it.

I like how you addressed the price point but not the one little nutritional fact I mentioned several times. My meals require one little building block of life and strength.

I am not a pencil pusher. I lift and bend and work in steel and steel accessories. Im constantly climbing  scaling and working on small dark and deep places and constantly exerting myself. Day after day. Week after week. Month after month.

Hell I even tried the supplentary vegetarian thing once. Weakest I ever felt and just kept feeling weaker and tired.

My year long task to go veggie? Lasted 2 weeks.

I never slammed your lifestyle. I just mentioned at cost point it is not gonna bring me over.

Also you totally brought the meme. Just keep up your strength. Do this B12 and iron shots and don't get carpel on the way to the keyboard.


Lol. Yeah. You got me down.

There are many reasons to give up meat. If you continue you eat meat, you have to accept it's heavily subsidized. Many things are subsidized.  The numbers in the graphic come from physicians and the govt. There show that farm subsidies are inverted from what nutrition recommendations there are. The graphic does not *directly* endorse giving up meet. Until you stop and think about it anyway.

I'm absolutely pro Subsidies for many things... Health Care for instance. Hell they should completely be nationalized. There's no profit motive for keeping people healthy, but a vast national interest.

But good job attacking (wow your assumptions) the messenger. The numbers of course stand, and barely require more than basic reasoning to understand why you're getting your meat for cheap.

Enjoy your steel.
 
2020-08-30 8:51:38 AM  

Ishkur: I always find it weird that vegans desire vegetable versions of meat.

You don't see carnivores demanding all-beef cauliflower, do you?


Vegans are not the target market for this stuff (nor most vegetarians, either). The target market is regular omnivores who enjoy the taste of meat, and also want to think of themselves as eating something a bit healthier ("it's made from plants!") and a bit more sustainable ("beef is bad for the environment!"). In reality, of course, it's neither of those things.

It's essentially Virtue Signaling in edible form.
 
2020-08-30 1:01:16 PM  

HugeMistake: Is it healthier than real meat? Nope, not that either. Then what is it for?

It's for people who want to taste meat but not feel guilty about how animals are treated. It's the perfect first world solution to a first world problem.


It's also for people who can't digest meat.

I don't know if actually have this: https://www.mayoclinic.org/disea​ses-conditions/alpha-gal-syndrome/symp​toms-causes/syc-20428608#:~:text=Alpha​%2Dgal%20syndrome%20is%20a,Lone%20Star​%20tick%20bites%20someone.

But I know my early years were packed with insect and tick bites. I know I have not been digested meat well since I was hospitalized at age 15 with simultaneous bouts of strep and mono. I know that the last three times I ate meat, I went to the emergency room the same evening.
 
2020-08-30 1:07:30 PM  

TheFoz: Axeofjudgement: So $10/ a pound for fake meat, high sodium. Or i can pick up a pound of tenderloin for 6 or 7 bucks, which comes with almost 115g of protein?

Decisions...

Right?

That seems pretty expensive for your protein source.  I buy a lot of Boca products, burgers, chicken, black bean burgers, etc. but I'm not gonna pay $10/lb. or whatever if that's the actual cost.

Just bought a 7lb. pork shoulder yesterday at $.99/lb. 🤷♂


The pandemic related price leaps have meant that I've eaten a lot more beans. I've been surprised by how many meat eaters continued purchasing products like Beyond Meat after the stores restocked their meat again. Maybe it's because it is palatable to meat eaters? The rest of my family eats meat and we serve meat every other night. The non-meat nights often involve less whining if there's a good quality meat substitute involved.
 
2020-08-30 1:08:30 PM  

Bruscar: HugeMistake: Is it healthier than real meat? Nope, not that either. Then what is it for?

It's for people who want to taste meat but not feel guilty about how animals are treated. It's the perfect first world solution to a first world problem.

It's also for people who can't digest meat.

I don't know if actually have this: https://www.mayoclinic.org/disea​ses-conditions/alpha-gal-syndrome/symp​toms-causes/syc-20428608#:~:text=Alpha​%2Dgal%20syndrome%20is%20a,Lone%20Star​%20tick%20bites%20someone.

But I know my early years were packed with insect and tick bites. I know I have not been digested meat well since I was hospitalized at age 15 with simultaneous bouts of strep and mono. I know that the last three times I ate meat, I went to the emergency room the same evening.


That gratuitous "been" makes me look so articulate.
 
2020-08-30 1:34:29 PM  
A vegan Fark thread full of overly defensive omnivores? I can hardly believe it! It's like a 2A thread on r/politics. Nobody is coming to take your chicken tendies. Lighten up, Francis.

Seriously, eat meat or don't. If someone wants to purchase a vegetarian/vegan product because it aligns with their values, good on them. At least they have the decency to put their money literally where their mouth is when they say they give a crap as a conscious consumer with regards to their ethics - which is more than I can credit most people doing with regards to almost any aspect of their chosen beliefs.

/eats meat
//bacon rules
///so does a Boca chx sandwich
 
2020-08-30 2:01:59 PM  
Wow no one was snarky enough to mention that by technicality, all meat is plant based since thats what the cows/hogs/chickens eat to grow


Slightly impressive
 
2020-08-30 5:53:32 PM  

Bruscar: The pandemic related price leaps have meant that I've eaten a lot more beans.


Heaven help me when I get tired of beans.
 
2020-08-30 8:02:39 PM  

lifeslammer: Wow no one was snarky enough to mention that by technicality, all meat is plant based since thats what the cows/hogs/chickens eat to grow


Slightly impressive


Considering hogs and chicken will happily eat meat... what was your snarky point?
 
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