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2020-08-28 5:05:38 PM  
"Yo, I receive packages on my doorstep and pay the postman in cash so the sender doesn't have to!"

/old school flex
 
2020-08-29 2:12:32 AM  
I have only encounter 1 player who was VERY obviously cheating. Every shot was a headshot, auto aim, through walls, through the map and basically never died. Now, past that point I have experienced tons of players that are either ridiculousy, and I mean absurdly good, or were cheating to some degree. It is really hard to tell so I basically just report them all if there is a huge discrepancy. Outside of that, I think most of the issue is the bullshiat aim assist is way too overpowered in COD. People don't even actually see you and it locks on. Couple that with people who are definitely using controller mods (Cronus Max) and games can get pretty annoying.

Outside of this, they need to nerf the shiat out of the MP5 and Kar95. Nothing comes close to the effectiveness of that combo. The MP5 especially is just cheesy and the MP7 isn't too far behind. It doesn't matter the range, especially if you are a console user. It will beat out time to kill for every AR, LMG etc.
 
2020-08-29 2:31:32 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: I have only encounter 1 player who was VERY obviously cheating. Every shot was a headshot, auto aim, through walls, through the map and basically never died. Now, past that point I have experienced tons of players that are either ridiculousy, and I mean absurdly good, or were cheating to some degree. It is really hard to tell so I basically just report them all if there is a huge discrepancy. Outside of that, I think most of the issue is the bullshiat aim assist is way too overpowered in COD. People don't even actually see you and it locks on. Couple that with people who are definitely using controller mods (Cronus Max) and games can get pretty annoying.

Outside of this, they need to nerf the shiat out of the MP5 and Kar95. Nothing comes close to the effectiveness of that combo. The MP5 especially is just cheesy and the MP7 isn't too far behind. It doesn't matter the range, especially if you are a console user. It will beat out time to kill for every AR, LMG etc.


When I played CS:Source cheaters were somewhat common. We would usually just gang up on the cheater and kill them asap, or just run around and try to kill the opposing team. Cheaters would almost never try to complete objectives unless it was defusing a bomb, so in a way he was a detriment to his own team. When we had admins on they would toy with them until they left and got banned. Good times were had by all.

Of course there was the problem with our clan's best sniper. He used an exploit to remove bullet spray. He was still *really* good, though, you had to be since on that server you couldn't get an awp or autosnipe. So he was really good at headshots regardless of what he was using. He was not quiiiiite good enough to conclusively say he was hacking though.

He was camping the midway double doors on dust2 for a while and I got pissed off at him. As the match began on CT, I grabbed a scout, walked up to the first door, aimed, and headshot him through it without ever even seeing him. I almost got banned for cheating for that one lol.

That was lots of fun leading charges. I could do a 180 without losing speed because of my trackball mouse, so I was hard to flash. I knew where to throw them to blind the other team and we never stopped running in. I would just mow everything down with a saw, ump, galil, tmp. Hell, I would lead charges with a scout and just noscope a shot and switch to a non-deagle pistol to keep moving.

I had a pretty crazy ratio despite basically being a kamikaze. Beaning people in the dome from the other side of the map with a saw or an ump was pure satisfaction.
 
2020-08-29 6:07:12 AM  

Stibium: the money is in the banana stand: I have only encounter 1 player who was VERY obviously cheating. Every shot was a headshot, auto aim, through walls, through the map and basically never died. Now, past that point I have experienced tons of players that are either ridiculousy, and I mean absurdly good, or were cheating to some degree. It is really hard to tell so I basically just report them all if there is a huge discrepancy. Outside of that, I think most of the issue is the bullshiat aim assist is way too overpowered in COD. People don't even actually see you and it locks on. Couple that with people who are definitely using controller mods (Cronus Max) and games can get pretty annoying.

Outside of this, they need to nerf the shiat out of the MP5 and Kar95. Nothing comes close to the effectiveness of that combo. The MP5 especially is just cheesy and the MP7 isn't too far behind. It doesn't matter the range, especially if you are a console user. It will beat out time to kill for every AR, LMG etc.

When I played CS:Source cheaters were somewhat common. We would usually just gang up on the cheater and kill them asap, or just run around and try to kill the opposing team. Cheaters would almost never try to complete objectives unless it was defusing a bomb, so in a way he was a detriment to his own team. When we had admins on they would toy with them until they left and got banned. Good times were had by all.

Of course there was the problem with our clan's best sniper. He used an exploit to remove bullet spray. He was still *really* good, though, you had to be since on that server you couldn't get an awp or autosnipe. So he was really good at headshots regardless of what he was using. He was not quiiiiite good enough to conclusively say he was hacking though.

He was camping the midway double doors on dust2 for a while and I got pissed off at him. As the match began on CT, I grabbed a scout, walked up to the first door, aimed, and headshot him through it without ever even seeing him. I almost got banned for cheating for that one lol.

That was lots of fun leading charges. I could do a 180 without losing speed because of my trackball mouse, so I was hard to flash. I knew where to throw them to blind the other team and we never stopped running in. I would just mow everything down with a saw, ump, galil, tmp. Hell, I would lead charges with a scout and just noscope a shot and switch to a non-deagle pistol to keep moving.

I had a pretty crazy ratio despite basically being a kamikaze. Beaning people in the dome from the other side of the map with a saw or an ump was pure satisfaction.


I used to get banned for cheating on assault, because you can see the CTs's feet under the garage door and then shoot them through it.
 
2020-08-29 6:19:53 AM  
Isn't punkbuster still a thing? Or, a modern version of it?
 
2020-08-29 7:31:12 AM  

Pextor: Isn't punkbuster still a thing? Or, a modern version of it?


Yes, several, but there are more people working harder to circumvent them than there are people working to keep them updated. That's why most cheat vendors use a subscription system.
 
2020-08-29 9:09:55 AM  
I will never have more than an academic understanding of what would motivate a person to cheat at a video game in order to create the illusion that they are "beating"" other players.
There must be some kind of satisfaction in it, but I just can't fathom where it would come from.
It's hard to say if there is anything morally or ethically wrong with cheating at a video game, but it seems pointless.
Of course, obviously that wouldn't apply if there was some material reward for winning.
 
2020-08-29 9:23:24 AM  

jso2897: I will never have more than an academic understanding of what would motivate a person to cheat at a video game in order to create the illusion that they are "beating"" other players.
There must be some kind of satisfaction in it, but I just can't fathom where it would come from.
It's hard to say if there is anything morally or ethically wrong with cheating at a video game, but it seems pointless.
Of course, obviously that wouldn't apply if there was some material reward for winning.


I have started to think it's more about making everyone else lose.  Trolling in video games was normalized long ago.  This is just the natural extension.
 
2020-08-29 9:54:26 AM  

jso2897: I will never have more than an academic understanding of what would motivate a person to cheat at a video game in order to create the illusion that they are "beating"" other players.
There must be some kind of satisfaction in it, but I just can't fathom where it would come from.
It's hard to say if there is anything morally or ethically wrong with cheating at a video game, but it seems pointless.
Of course, obviously that wouldn't apply if there was some material reward for winning.


sheer sadism, much like the you know what that never ever, ever happens around a certain social media
news aggregation site almost hourly.
 
2020-08-29 10:08:25 AM  

jso2897: I will never have more than an academic understanding of what would motivate a person to cheat at a video game in order to create the illusion that they are "beating"" other players.
There must be some kind of satisfaction in it, but I just can't fathom where it would come from.
It's hard to say if there is anything morally or ethically wrong with cheating at a video game, but it seems pointless.
Of course, obviously that wouldn't apply if there was some material reward for winning.


The raging, pure satisfaction of spite.  Because fark you that's why.  Because they do what they want, biatch.

In other words, they're evil dicks.
 
2020-08-29 10:35:53 AM  
Cheating is as american as apple pie.

Unless u get caught then everyone acts appalled.
 
2020-08-29 11:48:38 AM  
I stopped playing online with anyone other than close friends because of cheating. This was way back with original CS, ST: Elite Forces II, etc.

To this guy in TFA, TheGamingDefinition, who's complaining about the cheater not getting banned while he's been banned twice for other reasons than cheating. Perhaps the cheater is a likable guy while you're an insufferable douche. Just sayin'.
 
2020-08-29 1:03:32 PM  

skyotter: jso2897: I will never have more than an academic understanding of what would motivate a person to cheat at a video game in order to create the illusion that they are "beating"" other players.
There must be some kind of satisfaction in it, but I just can't fathom where it would come from.
It's hard to say if there is anything morally or ethically wrong with cheating at a video game, but it seems pointless.
Of course, obviously that wouldn't apply if there was some material reward for winning.

I have started to think it's more about making everyone else lose.  Trolling in video games was normalized long ago.  This is just the natural extension.


This seems to have crossed over into politics as well. It is no longer about the whole country winning, or even "our side" winning. The only thing that matters is "the other side" losing.
 
2020-08-29 1:07:42 PM  

skyotter: jso2897: I will never have more than an academic understanding of what would motivate a person to cheat at a video game in order to create the illusion that they are "beating"" other players.
There must be some kind of satisfaction in it, but I just can't fathom where it would come from.
It's hard to say if there is anything morally or ethically wrong with cheating at a video game, but it seems pointless.
Of course, obviously that wouldn't apply if there was some material reward for winning.

I have started to think it's more about making everyone else lose.  Trolling in video games was normalized long ago.  This is just the natural extension.



yeah peeps don't give enough pie chart variety to other people basically.
We like to imagine ONE REASON for EVERYTHING.
cause that keeps the world simple and we like simple.
But really it is that while we label the act of break/not following game rules "cheating."
That term fails to always describe the motivation or reason someone is breaking the rules in the first place.


"Cheating" to us just commonly means, the fake win. And if we do not consider more details and context then we can just ignorantly imagine the only reason to break game rules is to try and get credit that was not earned.

I find only a small portion of the people breaking games want false credit like this yahoo did.
More of my own xp suggest a majority of them are not in it for the false credit but the power trip.

Which itself can take several forms:
Maybe just make believing how badass they are on their own, no one else needs to acknowledge it, they are just having some fantasy fulfillment power tripping make believe play time.

others are here to "cheat" but not at the game itself, they are here to cheat the other players out of their fun time game play. Again another form of just power tripping really, just acting the bully on the play ground with some unwanted "keep away" play. but importantly here they are still fronting to be legit to some extent. there are the ones that will say "it's just a game" or other stuff to pretend they are legit in their actions or that they are merely engaged in some good natured teasing.

And the  the real grifers, who want you to know they are cheating you out of your limited free time today, stealing from you that which is most valuable and you can't ever get back. If your free time today to try and have some fun was shiat on by some jack rag drip, it was and your limited time each day, is far more that "just a game" and they know it and that's the point.
A mildly subtle difference but important to notice the difference between bully trolls that try to pretend they are legit in not really playing the game vs. straight up griefers that want you to acknowledge what they are doing and how you are powerless against it.When someone blatantly goes aimbot death blossom in the middle of a map, that ain't a cheater that's an griefer.because they don't care about cheating the game for rank and status, they specifically want to cheat the other players out of their free time to get to play the game they wanted to.All about the motivation to be acting in the first place, and there will be subtle behavioral differences  to be noticed, when similar behaving people actually do have different motivations for their similar behaviors.
 
2020-08-29 1:31:14 PM  

Thunderboy: Pextor: Isn't punkbuster still a thing? Or, a modern version of it?

Yes, several, but there are more people working harder to circumvent them than there are people working to keep them updated. That's why most cheat vendors use a subscription system.


That and the fact that:
- Cheating used to be achieved by altering game files or using third party software. This could easily be detected. Now, most of those programs are undetectable and there are so many of them a targeted approach might shut down one, but not the others.
- Cheating has evolved to hardwarw hacks. This is almost entirely impossible to detect. Check out the Cronus Max gamepads which remove recoil from weapons entirely in games like COD.
- Punishment and enforcement requires a lot of work, especially when people are constantly reporting people who are just good at the game as cheating. When you have professional players are tournament play or streamers being caught red-handed and NOT perma-banned, this sends a message that this is okay, just try not to get caught. I cannot believe that tournaments that have big money behind them would not have incredibly strict policies and monitoring in place.
- The internet has made it very easy for a larger population to cheat. It does not require a lot of savvy and is very accessible.
-  Cheating is a MONEY MAKING industry. Until these companies start getting reamed out the wazoo with lawsuits, it will only get worse.
- Servers are almost all hosted by the game company itself which means there is no active monitoring or admins present. There is good and bad with client or third party hosted games, namely the fact there is generally an admin present to ban and kick players. You could also not be cheating and just suspected of it or kill the admin and they just get mad and ban you which sucked.
- There is no vote kick system in COD. The only active recourse is to leave the game, and leaving the game leads to an automatic loss record for you. So you as the non-cheater get punished. On the flip side, vote kick systems are sometimes abused or almost impossible to get enough people to vote someone out, it is a delicate balance. For example, if you are on the team WITH the cheater, you must not really want them kicked if you are benefitting from them destroying the other team resulting in an easy win for you.
 
2020-08-29 2:37:41 PM  

Linux_Yes: Cheating is as american as apple pie.

Unless u get caught then everyone acts appalled.


Ah, I see you've been listening to the assholes that dragged us all into this mess.  Everyone's favorite excuse (not so ironically enough) is "everyone does it!"  Followed directly by, "Well they would do it if they weren't pussies.  Everyone wants to do it"  Followed directly by, "They're just pretending it's bad 'cause they're afraid of what people would say!"  Oddly enough, "Because I'm an evil fark that likes evil shiat" isn't there at all.

/it's actually on the psycho/socio evaluation scales - it's that common a form of bullshiat with the terminally evil
//yeah I'm using the word evil a lot
///because the farkers that do all this shiat are EVIL.  In the end, evil is a complete lack of consideration for other mofos - and that's the common damn thread.
////cheating in video games, cheating on their wives, cheating on immigration laws and letting people die - it's what evil bastards DO
 
2020-08-29 7:46:01 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: Thunderboy: Pextor: Isn't punkbuster still a thing? Or, a modern version of it?

Yes, several, but there are more people working harder to circumvent them than there are people working to keep them updated. That's why most cheat vendors use a subscription system.

That and the fact that:
- Cheating used to be achieved by altering game files or using third party software. This could easily be detected. Now, most of those programs are undetectable and there are so many of them a targeted approach might shut down one, but not the others.
- Cheating has evolved to hardwarw hacks. This is almost entirely impossible to detect. Check out the Cronus Max gamepads which remove recoil from weapons entirely in games like COD.
- Punishment and enforcement requires a lot of work, especially when people are constantly reporting people who are just good at the game as cheating. When you have professional players are tournament play or streamers being caught red-handed and NOT perma-banned, this sends a message that this is okay, just try not to get caught. I cannot believe that tournaments that have big money behind them would not have incredibly strict policies and monitoring in place.
- The internet has made it very easy for a larger population to cheat. It does not require a lot of savvy and is very accessible.
-  Cheating is a MONEY MAKING industry. Until these companies start getting reamed out the wazoo with lawsuits, it will only get worse.
- Servers are almost all hosted by the game company itself which means there is no active monitoring or admins present. There is good and bad with client or third party hosted games, namely the fact there is generally an admin present to ban and kick players. You could also not be cheating and just suspected of it or kill the admin and they just get mad and ban you which sucked.
- There is no vote kick system in COD. The only active recourse is to leave the game, and leaving the game leads to an automatic loss record for you. So you as th ...


Cheating in Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II was a blast. I didn't do things just to come in and destroy everyone, I would do stuff like turn into an AT-ST or a floating blaster pistol. Or be invisible and just force push people randomly. Sometimes off of ledges... I was a teenager after all.

Force Blind was dynamic in strength. Rather than code it so 1 star in it does X, 2 stars does Y, it was an amount of blindness per star. At full strength, 4 stars, it made their screen almost totally white. I don't know what it did at 20 stars, but I bet it was pretty hard to see!

Then you could join hacker games where everyone was hacking and it would get craaaaaaazy. Stuff I never figured out how to do, like destroy parts of the map.
 
2020-08-29 11:05:42 PM  
I'd love to see Activision quietly move proven cheaters to dedicated servers filled with nothing but other cheaters.

They won't but it would be hilarious.
 
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