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(History Channel)   On this day in history, in 1963, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. told the world about his dream   (history.com) divider line
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2020-08-28 3:17:03 PM  

Earguy: Interesting story I saw a couple of years ago : MLK had the speech typed up, and afterwards a teenager asked if he could have the paper, and King obliged. It's now on display somewhere, on the typed page there is a handwritten note along the lines of "ad lib something here." All of the "I have a dream" stuff was made up on the spot. The phrase never appears on the page.


I love this. From what I have learned, it seems that at the end of his speech the Queen of Gospel, Mahalia Jackson, shouted to him, "Tell them about the dream, Martin!" and at that point he improvised. So powerful.
 
2020-08-28 3:17:41 PM  

HighOnCraic: Alien Robot: HighOnCraic: Alien Robot: HighOnCraic: Most remarkable is the spread of "Tenther" interposition and nullification theories, which hold that the states should have special sovereign rights to thwart federal policies in ways not considered legitimate since the eras of Reconstruction and the civil rights movement.

Sanctuary cities...

If the goal is to extend rights to people by failing to comply with Federal laws, is that the same is failing to comply with Federal laws in order limit people's rights?

Recreational marijuana.

If the goal is to extend rights to people by failing to comply with Federal laws, is that the same is failing to comply with Federal laws in order limit people's rights?

/We can do this all day, if you like.


Grazing rights...
 
2020-08-28 3:18:29 PM  
Also, anyone who chooses to quote MLK Jr's "peace" and ignores the fact that his peace-seeking was based on a socialist society is a cherry-picking fool. There is no peace w/o *both* addressing poverty and social injustice.

"All that I have said boils down to the point of affirming that mankind's survival is dependent upon man's ability to solve the problems of racial injustice, poverty, and war"

~ MLK Jr's 1964 Nobel Peace Prize speech

To the douchebags that claim we don't need to raise the min wage back to its 1968 peak, and can just keep creeping slowly towards the future: you were never part of MLK Jr's crew and he'd have punted you in your genitals.
 
2020-08-28 3:36:22 PM  

Alien Robot: HighOnCraic: Alien Robot: HighOnCraic: Alien Robot: HighOnCraic: Most remarkable is the spread of "Tenther" interposition and nullification theories, which hold that the states should have special sovereign rights to thwart federal policies in ways not considered legitimate since the eras of Reconstruction and the civil rights movement.

Sanctuary cities...

If the goal is to extend rights to people by failing to comply with Federal laws, is that the same is failing to comply with Federal laws in order limit people's rights?

Recreational marijuana.

If the goal is to extend rights to people by failing to comply with Federal laws, is that the same is failing to comply with Federal laws in order limit people's rights?

/We can do this all day, if you like.

Grazing rights...


On a scale of one to ten, how desperate are you to change the subject to something that doesn't relate to what MLK was talking about?
 
2020-08-28 3:41:38 PM  

gameshowhost: Also, anyone who chooses to quote MLK Jr's "peace" and ignores the fact that his peace-seeking was based on a socialist society is a cherry-picking fool. There is no peace w/o *both* addressing poverty and social injustice.

"All that I have said boils down to the point of affirming that mankind's survival is dependent upon man's ability to solve the problems of racial injustice, poverty, and war"

~ MLK Jr's 1964 Nobel Peace Prize speech

To the douchebags that claim we don't need to raise the min wage back to its 1968 peak, and can just keep creeping slowly towards the future: you were never part of MLK Jr's crew and he'd have punted you in your genitals.


Funny you should mention raising the minimum wage. Here's an article from the leftist rag, The Economist, that argues that all the evidence says the argument is BS.

https://www.economist.com/schools-bri​e​f/2020/08/15/what-harm-do-minimum-wage​s-do
 
2020-08-28 3:46:20 PM  
From an earlier speech:

...there is need for strong, aggressive leadership from the federal government. So far, only the judicial branch of the government has evinced this quality of leadership. If the executive and legislative branches of the government were as concerned about the protection of our citizenship rights as the federal courts have been, then the transition from a segregated to an integrated society would be infinitely smoother. But we so often look to Washington in vain for this concern. In the midst of the tragic breakdown of law and order, the executive branch of the government is all too silent and apathetic. In the midst of the desperate need for civil rights legislation, the legislative branch of the government is all too stagnant and hypocritical.
This dearth of positive leadership from the federal government is not confined to one particular political party. Both political parties have betrayed the cause of justice. (Oh yes) The Democrats have betrayed it by capitulating to the prejudices and undemocratic practices of the southern Dixiecrats. The Republicans have betrayed it by capitulating to the blatant hypocrisy of right wing, reactionary northerners. These men so often have a high blood pressure of words and an anemia of deeds. [laughter]
In the midst of these prevailing conditions, we come to Washington today pleading with the president and members of Congress to provide a strong, moral, and courageous leadership for a situation that cannot permanently be evaded. We come humbly to say to the men in the forefront of our government that the civil rights issue is not an ephemeral, evanescent domestic issue that can be kicked about by reactionary guardians of the status quo; it is rather an eternal moral issue which may well determine the destiny of our nation (Yeah) in the ideological struggle with communism. The hour is late. The clock of destiny is ticking out. We must act now, before it is too late.

"Give Us the Ballot," Address Delivered at the Prayer Pilgrimage for Freedom

May 17, 1957, Washington, D.C.

https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/ki​n​g-papers/documents/give-us-ballot-addr​ess-delivered-prayer-pilgrimage-freedo​m
 
2020-08-28 4:19:45 PM  

HighOnCraic: Alien Robot: HighOnCraic: Alien Robot: HighOnCraic: Alien Robot: HighOnCraic: Most remarkable is the spread of "Tenther" interposition and nullification theories, which hold that the states should have special sovereign rights to thwart federal policies in ways not considered legitimate since the eras of Reconstruction and the civil rights movement.

Sanctuary cities...

If the goal is to extend rights to people by failing to comply with Federal laws, is that the same is failing to comply with Federal laws in order limit people's rights?

Recreational marijuana.

If the goal is to extend rights to people by failing to comply with Federal laws, is that the same is failing to comply with Federal laws in order limit people's rights?

/We can do this all day, if you like.

Grazing rights...

On a scale of one to ten, how desperate are you to change the subject to something that doesn't relate to what MLK was talking about?


It's exactly what he was taking about. The quote from Dr. King is about states' nullification of federal authority. It's still happening today. I gave examples. It's just you are less inclined to take the federal side when your pet causes are in the crosshairs. I'm consistent. I agree with Dr. King. Then and now.
 
2020-08-28 4:24:02 PM  

HighOnCraic: From an earlier speech:

...there is need for strong, aggressive leadership from the federal government. So far, only the judicial branch of the government has evinced this quality of leadership. If the executive and legislative branches of the government were as concerned about the protection of our citizenship rights as the federal courts have been, then the transition from a segregated to an integrated society would be infinitely smoother. But we so often look to Washington in vain for this concern. In the midst of the tragic breakdown of law and order, the executive branch of the government is all too silent and apathetic. In the midst of the desperate need for civil rights legislation, the legislative branch of the government is all too stagnant and hypocritical.
This dearth of positive leadership from the federal government is not confined to one particular political party. Both political parties have betrayed the cause of justice. (Oh yes) The Democrats have betrayed it by capitulating to the prejudices and undemocratic practices of the southern Dixiecrats. The Republicans have betrayed it by capitulating to the blatant hypocrisy of right wing, reactionary northerners. These men so often have a high blood pressure of words and an anemia of deeds. [laughter]
In the midst of these prevailing conditions, we come to Washington today pleading with the president and members of Congress to provide a strong, moral, and courageous leadership for a situation that cannot permanently be evaded. We come humbly to say to the men in the forefront of our government that the civil rights issue is not an ephemeral, evanescent domestic issue that can be kicked about by reactionary guardians of the status quo; it is rather an eternal moral issue which may well determine the destiny of our nation (Yeah) in the ideological struggle with communism. The hour is late. The clock of destiny is ticking out. We must act now, before it is too late.

"Give Us the Ballot," Address Delivered ...


Best part:  I read it in his voice.
 
2020-08-28 4:27:40 PM  
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2020-08-28 4:49:22 PM  

Alien Robot: HighOnCraic: Alien Robot: HighOnCraic: Alien Robot: HighOnCraic: Alien Robot: HighOnCraic: Most remarkable is the spread of "Tenther" interposition and nullification theories, which hold that the states should have special sovereign rights to thwart federal policies in ways not considered legitimate since the eras of Reconstruction and the civil rights movement.

Sanctuary cities...

If the goal is to extend rights to people by failing to comply with Federal laws, is that the same is failing to comply with Federal laws in order limit people's rights?

Recreational marijuana.

If the goal is to extend rights to people by failing to comply with Federal laws, is that the same is failing to comply with Federal laws in order limit people's rights?

/We can do this all day, if you like.

Grazing rights...

On a scale of one to ten, how desperate are you to change the subject to something that doesn't relate to what MLK was talking about?

It's exactly what he was taking about. The quote from Dr. King is about states' nullification of federal authority. It's still happening today. I gave examples. It's just you are less inclined to take the federal side when your pet causes are in the crosshairs. I'm consistent. I agree with Dr. King. Then and now.



Pet causes.

You still haven't answered this simple question:  If the goal is to extend rights to people by failing to comply with Federal laws, is that the same is failing to comply with Federal laws in order limit people's rights?

Seriously, do you really want to equate state laws that ease up on Federal drug laws or immigration laws to state laws that violated the 14th and 15th amendments (also known as my "pet issues")?

The Supreme Court has answered the question in regard to integration:

More importantly, the Court held that since the Supremacy Clause of Article VI made the US Constitution the supreme law of the land and Marbury v. Madison (1803) made the Supreme Court the final interpreter of the Constitution,[12] the precedent set forth in Brown v. Board of Education is the supreme law of the land and is therefore binding on all the states, regardless of any state laws contradicting it.[13] The Court therefore rejected the contention that the Arkansas legislature and Governor were not bound by the Brown decision.[14] The Supreme Court also rejected the doctrines of nullification and interposition in this case, which had been invoked by segregationists.[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooper_​v​._Aaron

The Supreme Court has answered the question in regard to sanctuary cities:

California's sanctuary city law will survive after the U.S. Supreme Court declined to take the case on, the court announced Monday morning.
The Supreme Court denied the Trump administration's petition challenging Senate Bill 54, which prevents state and local law enforcement from cooperating with federal immigration enforcement officials.
"We're protecting Californians' right to decide how we do public safety in our state," California Attorney General Xavier Beccera said in a statement. "The Trump administration does not have the authority to commandeer state resources. We're heartened by today's Supreme Court decision."
The fight over SB 54 entailed legal interpretations of the 10th Amendment, which regulates states' rights versus the rights of the federal government.
The sanctuary city law was passed in 2017 and faced an immediate legal challenge from the Trump administration. A federal judge ruled against the federal government's attempt to secure a legal injunction and a Ninth Circuit panel upheld that ruling last year.
The Supreme Court's refusal to take up the federal government's petition means that the Ninth Circuit ruling is law. Justices Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas would have taken up review of California's sanctuary laws, but conservative justices Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Chief Justice John Roberts joined their liberal colleagues in denying review.

https://www.courthousenews.com/suprem​e​-court-rejects-trump-challenge-of-cali​fornia-sanctuary-laws/

We'll see how it goes with marijuana legalization...  https://en.wikipedia​.org/wiki/STATES_A​ct#History

/Bless your heart!
 
2020-08-28 5:09:35 PM  

HighOnCraic: You still haven't answered this simple question:  If the goal is to extend rights to people by failing to comply with Federal laws, is that the same is failing to comply with Federal laws in order limit people's rights?


Yes. If a federal law needs to be abrogated by a subordinate authority to extend rights, then change or repeal the federal law. In the meantime, adhere to it. We are a nation of laws.
 
2020-08-28 5:53:59 PM  

geggy: [Fark user image image 425x709]

/South Africa during apartheid years


My dad was an engineer on cargo boats to South Africa in the fifties. He was absolutely appalled by apartheid and it stuck with him for the rest of his life.
 
2020-08-28 8:03:55 PM  

weddingsinger: Earguy: Interesting story I saw a couple of years ago : MLK had the speech typed up, and afterwards a teenager asked if he could have the paper, and King obliged. It's now on display somewhere, on the typed page there is a handwritten note along the lines of "ad lib something here." All of the "I have a dream" stuff was made up on the spot. The phrase never appears on the page.

Not true.  He had been using a version of the most famous text in the speech at events already since 1960 and most of it is identical to text in a 1962 speech.


I will concede your point.

However, this is the report that I remembered. An excerpt:

The speech looks none the worse for the wear. But the irony of the document is that the words "I have a dream" are nowhere to be found.

"It doesn't have a title ... It's not identified as 'I have a dream." You can simply see the date and the time. You'll see that he pretty much followed the script," said Raveling.

"I noticed there's an asterisk here on the copy of the speech," Brown pointed out.

"Right here is where we - we now go into the ad-libbed part of the "I have a dream" speech," said Raveling.
It's true: those famous words were ad-libbed, turning a planned four-minute speech into a 16-minute historic address.
 
2020-08-28 10:28:24 PM  

whitroth: gameshowhost: Also, anyone who chooses to quote MLK Jr's "peace" and ignores the fact that his peace-seeking was based on a socialist society is a cherry-picking fool. There is no peace w/o *both* addressing poverty and social injustice.

"All that I have said boils down to the point of affirming that mankind's survival is dependent upon man's ability to solve the problems of racial injustice, poverty, and war"

~ MLK Jr's 1964 Nobel Peace Prize speech

To the douchebags that claim we don't need to raise the min wage back to its 1968 peak, and can just keep creeping slowly towards the future: you were never part of MLK Jr's crew and he'd have punted you in your genitals.

Funny you should mention raising the minimum wage. Here's an article from the leftist rag, The Economist, that argues that all the evidence says the argument is BS.

https://www.economist.com/schools-brie​f/2020/08/15/what-harm-do-minimum-wage​s-do


Yep.  The first handful of years of min wage in the US proved the stupid argufailment was fear-mongering garbage, but the stupid kept getting pushed and enough people kept fighting that the fail took hold.
 
2020-08-29 3:48:51 AM  
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

Wonder how that's going?

"Calls have been made at several elite American universities to implement racial quotas ... An open letter to Stanford University's president and provost, published on 19 June in the Stanford Daily, demanded that by December 2021, 20% of all students, post-doctoral researchers, staff and faculty at the university be African American."

Fired Wilmington cop: "We are just going to go out and start slaughtering them f****** ni*****. I can't wait. God, I can't wait."


Not so well, then.
 
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