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(History Channel)   On this day in history, in 1963, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. told the world about his dream   (history.com) divider line
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2020-08-28 10:49:51 AM  
"...this perfect female body, right? But with the head of Abraham Lincoln. The hat, the beard, everything."

"Dr. King, what about the other dream you mentioned?"

"Oh, that one? OK. My bad."

*turns back to National Mall and resumes speech*
 
2020-08-28 10:55:38 AM  
Excerpt from the August 1963 speech in Washington DC:

I say to you today, my friends, so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream.

It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal."

I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, sons of former slaves and the sons of former slaveowners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

I have a dream today!

I have a dream that one day down in Alabama - with its vicious racists, with its Governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification - one day right there in Alabama, little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.

I have a dream today!

I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, and every hill and mountain shall be made low. The rough places will be plain and the crooked places will be made straight, "and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together."
 
2020-08-28 10:59:59 AM  
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2020-08-28 11:11:12 AM  

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2020-08-28 11:13:16 AM  
Interesting story I saw a couple of years ago : MLK had the speech typed up, and afterwards a teenager asked if he could have the paper, and King obliged. It's now on display somewhere, on the typed page there is a handwritten note along the lines of "ad lib something here." All of the "I have a dream" stuff was made up on the spot. The phrase never appears on the page.
 
2020-08-28 11:21:38 AM  
Correction to above, it wasn't a teenager, it was a 26 year old man who became a prominent basketball coach.
 
2020-08-28 11:23:22 AM  
"When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism and militarism are incapable of being conquered."

it's not just "be nice to black people", folks
 
2020-08-28 11:24:34 AM  
Everyone has that annoying friend that's always trying to tell you about a dream they had.
 
2020-08-28 11:24:57 AM  
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2020-08-28 11:25:45 AM  
Thank all that is right and good in this world for The Onion.
 
2020-08-28 11:26:31 AM  
A March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom

Looks like we are all gonna have to do it again. And again. And again. And again.
 
2020-08-28 11:26:44 AM  
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/South Africa during apartheid years
 
2020-08-28 11:27:30 AM  

ElwoodCuse: "When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism and militarism are incapable of being conquered."

it's not just "be nice to black people", folks


Yup. King came to believe that until income inequality was tackled, there was no way to get racial equality.

And it stands true to this day.
 
2020-08-28 11:27:57 AM  
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2020-08-28 11:29:03 AM  

Nadie_AZ: A March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom

Looks like we are all gonna have to do it again. And again. And again. And again.


They're there now at the Lincoln Memorial. 

https://www.c-span.org/video/?475069-​1​/national-action-networks-get-necks-ra​lly-march&live
 
2020-08-28 11:32:15 AM  
"I have a dream that one day little black boys and girls will join little white boys and girls and drag the dead bodies of white moderates through the street."
 
2020-08-28 11:32:37 AM  
That was a rough day for the guy who followed King

Speaking After MLK Jr. - Key & Peele
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2020-08-28 11:40:09 AM  

thehobbes: Nadie_AZ: A March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom

Looks like we are all gonna have to do it again. And again. And again. And again.

They're there now at the Lincoln Memorial. 

https://www.c-span.org/video/?475069-1​/national-action-networks-get-necks-ra​lly-march&live


Thank you. Watching now.
 
2020-08-28 11:41:03 AM  
Every time I hear a Conservative quote the March on Washington speech, I want to ask if they know literally anything else that MLK ever said or wrote.
 
2020-08-28 11:43:57 AM  
it is also adoption day here in the 4335 household. 8/28/13.

My son is 16 now. I said 'Happy adoption day!' and did the Truffle Shuffle. He laughed. Ill bake a cake later today. Thats how we roll.
 
2020-08-28 11:47:44 AM  
"I dreamt that I was eating a giant marshmallow.  When I woke up, my pillow was gone!!!"
 
2020-08-28 11:50:00 AM  

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/South Africa during apartheid years


https://features.propublica.org/illin​o​is-sundown-towns/legend-of-anna/

Anna, Illinois, 2019.  One of the last remaining 'sundown' towns.  You can probably guess what 'ANNA' stands for.
 
2020-08-28 11:50:36 AM  
About 5 or 6 years ago, we took a family trip to DC during Spring Break (it was also Cherry Blossom week.*). We went on a "moonlight" DC tour (that night it was very foggy). We went to the King Memorial, which is VERY impressive at night, as are most of the DC monuments. Also to the Lincoln Memorial, which was a little bit of a mistake. Our daughter had memorized the Gettysburg Address for school and the combination of the Lincoln Memorial at night, a long day, teen hormones, and the emotion of reading that speech in that place hit her hard. She was bawling, and still kinda wrecked the next morning.

Anyway, we went back later that year in August, almost to the day of the 1963 speech, for a long weekend for a wedding. We went back to the Lincoln Memorial in daytime, and stood on the spot on the steps that is engraved to commemorate the MLK speech. I got goosebumps replaying that speech in my head while standing there.

*Never. Again. The Metro was more insane than usual that week.
 
2020-08-28 11:51:33 AM  
And in 57 years, society has utterly failed to make that dream a reality.
 
2020-08-28 11:58:46 AM  

toraque: You can probably guess what 'ANNA' stands for.


All New Nippon Airways?
 
2020-08-28 11:59:35 AM  

wage0048: And in 57 years, society has utterly failed to make that dream a reality.


Democrats really believe this. It's perpetually 1965 in Selma to them.
 
2020-08-28 12:03:05 PM  

wage0048: And in 57 years, society has utterly failed to make that dream a reality.


We've rather been headed the opposite direction since the Reagan Years.   Some victories for civil rights, sure, but now we've got a Hitler Lover in office.
 
2020-08-28 12:05:51 PM  

wage0048: And in 57 years, society has utterly failed to make that dream a reality.


We were well on our way, but six years ago to this same date today, Obama had to bust out the tan suit and ruin everything for everybody. Thanks, Obama.
 
2020-08-28 12:08:52 PM  
and on this day in 2020 Thousands are gathering as we speak in DC for the "Get Your Knee off Our Necks" March this weekend.   I fear it's going to look more like Pettus Bridge than the March on Washington
 
2020-08-28 12:11:31 PM  

Unobtanium: About 5 or 6 years ago, we took a family trip to DC during Spring Break (it was also Cherry Blossom week.*). We went on a "moonlight" DC tour (that night it was very foggy). We went to the King Memorial, which is VERY impressive at night, as are most of the DC monuments. Also to the Lincoln Memorial, which was a little bit of a mistake. Our daughter had memorized the Gettysburg Address for school and the combination of the Lincoln Memorial at night, a long day, teen hormones, and the emotion of reading that speech in that place hit her hard. She was bawling, and still kinda wrecked the next morning.


Went there in January. Approached it from the Korean War memorial (which is just weird).

Saw  the giant block of stone with the engraving on it standing alone. Thought it looked powerful.

Then before we left we saw people on the other side, you know, where the actual carving of King is.

/it was cold and we'd been drinking
 
2020-08-28 12:12:16 PM  

Alien Robot: wage0048: And in 57 years, society has utterly failed to make that dream a reality.

Democrats really believe this. It's perpetually 1965 in Selma to them.


60 and 2.2.
In 1940, 60 percent of employed black women worked as domestic servants; today the number is down to 2.2 percent, while 60 percent hold white- collar jobs.

44 and 1.
In 1958, 44 percent of whites said they would move if a black family became their next door neighbor; today the figure is 1 percent.

18 and 86.
In 1964, the year the great Civil Rights Act was passed, only 18 percent of whites claimed to have a friend who was black; today 86 percent say they do, while 87 percent of blacks assert they have white friends.

1964.
They are no, and have never been, a black mayor of a large American city. A black President would be inconceivable.
 
2020-08-28 12:22:01 PM  

Alien Robot: wage0048: And in 57 years, society has utterly failed to make that dream a reality.

Democrats really believe this. It's perpetually 1965 in Selma to them.


There have been 10 weeks of protest marches because police keep murdering Black Americans without consequences, Black people are still massively over policed and imprisoned, their schools are still systemically underfunded, and racism is so prevalent that the backlash to the first Black President is a rapist, racist con man.

Meanwhile the #1 show on the #1 cable news network has been written by a virulent racist and the host just condoned a white supremacist murdering BLM protesters, just one of four or five such terrorist attacks by right wing extremists against civil rights protesters.

And we still havent gotten to the Republican party deciding to normalize a gonzo conspiracy theory about a secret cabal of pedophiles trafficking children and the only hope to stop them is Donald Trump and JFK, Jr (whose been dead for 20 years) and that secret tribunals have been executing celebrities like Tom Hanks and replacing them with lookalikes and that is why violence against Democrats is ok.
 
2020-08-28 12:39:46 PM  

Earguy: Interesting story I saw a couple of years ago : MLK had the speech typed up, and afterwards a teenager asked if he could have the paper, and King obliged. It's now on display somewhere, on the typed page there is a handwritten note along the lines of "ad lib something here." All of the "I have a dream" stuff was made up on the spot. The phrase never appears on the page.


Not true.  He had been using a version of the most famous text in the speech at events already since 1960 and most of it is identical to text in a 1962 speech.
 
2020-08-28 12:42:24 PM  

Alien Robot: Alien Robot: wage0048: And in 57 years, society has utterly failed to make that dream a reality.

Democrats really believe this. It's perpetually 1965 in Selma to them.

60 and 2.2.
In 1940, 60 percent of employed black women worked as domestic servants; today the number is down to 2.2 percent, while 60 percent hold white- collar jobs.

44 and 1.
In 1958, 44 percent of whites said they would move if a black family became their next door neighbor; today the figure is 1 percent.

18 and 86.
In 1964, the year the great Civil Rights Act was passed, only 18 percent of whites claimed to have a friend who was black; today 86 percent say they do, while 87 percent of blacks assert they have white friends.

1964.
They are no, and have never been, a black mayor of a large American city. A black President would be inconceivable.


And in 2020 we have an openly white supremacist in the White House and half the country either doesn't care or supports him.
 
2020-08-28 12:44:19 PM  
Also on this date, eight years earlier, Emmett Till, a 14 year old black boy from Chicago, was abducted, tortured, murdered and mutilated by two white men for the unforgivable sin of whistling at a white woman (she later recanted and admitted to falsifying her claims of Till's behavior).
 
2020-08-28 12:45:48 PM  
I have a dream that one day down in Alabama - with its vicious racists, with its Governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification - one day right there in Alabama, little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.

Unfortunately, those concepts haven't gone away...

Most remarkable is the spread of "Tenther" interposition and nullification theories, which hold that the states should have special sovereign rights to thwart federal policies in ways not considered legitimate since the eras of Reconstruction and the civil rights movement. These have been widely touted by conservatives across the country (notably 2010 Senate candidates Sharron Angle of Nevada and Joe Miller of Alaska) and even by House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (who has spoken warmly of the "Repeal Amendment" that would let states collectively kill federal laws).

https://www.wbur.org/npr/134126559/ne​w​-republic-turning-wisconsin-into-the-s​outh
 
2020-08-28 12:57:16 PM  
Every time you see a student group demanding separate dorms for blacks, you see a repudiation of Dr. King and his dream.
 
2020-08-28 12:59:37 PM  

Alien Robot: wage0048: And in 57 years, society has utterly failed to make that dream a reality.

Democrats really believe this. It's perpetually 1965 in Selma to them.


Seems like a number of Trump fans feel the same way.

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2020-08-28 1:04:26 PM  

Hickory-smoked: Alien Robot: wage0048: And in 57 years, society has utterly failed to make that dream a reality.

Democrats really believe this. It's perpetually 1965 in Selma to them.

Seems like a number of Trump fans feel the same way.

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A lot of Russian in those mugshots.
 
2020-08-28 1:10:20 PM  

Hickory-smoked: Every time I hear a Conservative quote the March on Washington speech, I want to ask if they know literally anything else that MLK ever said or wrote.



Rumor is he had a lighter, mischievous side as well.

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2020-08-28 1:11:39 PM  

HighOnCraic: Most remarkable is the spread of "Tenther" interposition and nullification theories, which hold that the states should have special sovereign rights to thwart federal policies in ways not considered legitimate since the eras of Reconstruction and the civil rights movement.


Sanctuary cities.
 
2020-08-28 1:33:52 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Hickory-smoked: Every time I hear a Conservative quote the March on Washington speech, I want to ask if they know literally anything else that MLK ever said or wrote.


Rumor is he had a lighter, mischievous side as well.

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His Giant Triplets speech for example where he said that Racism, Materialism and Militarism are inextricably linked
 
2020-08-28 1:33:59 PM  

Alien Robot: HighOnCraic: Most remarkable is the spread of "Tenther" interposition and nullification theories, which hold that the states should have special sovereign rights to thwart federal policies in ways not considered legitimate since the eras of Reconstruction and the civil rights movement.

Sanctuary cities...


If the goal is to extend rights to people by failing to comply with Federal laws, is that the same is failing to comply with Federal laws in order limit people's rights?
 
2020-08-28 1:37:08 PM  
My then 6 year old Crazy self was there with my dad in '63.
Was going to be there today, but work and the Rona put the kibosh on that.

Was going to have a tshirt printed:
Was here in '63
Here in '20
Shiat ain't changed
 
2020-08-28 1:38:21 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Hickory-smoked: Every time I hear a Conservative quote the March on Washington speech, I want to ask if they know literally anything else that MLK ever said or wrote.


Rumor is he had a lighter, mischievous side as well.

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And I'm white and like black ladies, oh no!
 
2020-08-28 2:03:02 PM  

HighOnCraic: Alien Robot: HighOnCraic: Most remarkable is the spread of "Tenther" interposition and nullification theories, which hold that the states should have special sovereign rights to thwart federal policies in ways not considered legitimate since the eras of Reconstruction and the civil rights movement.

Sanctuary cities...

If the goal is to extend rights to people by failing to comply with Federal laws, is that the same is failing to comply with Federal laws in order limit people's rights?


Recreational marijuana.
 
2020-08-28 2:18:15 PM  

Alien Robot: HighOnCraic: Alien Robot: HighOnCraic: Most remarkable is the spread of "Tenther" interposition and nullification theories, which hold that the states should have special sovereign rights to thwart federal policies in ways not considered legitimate since the eras of Reconstruction and the civil rights movement.

Sanctuary cities...

If the goal is to extend rights to people by failing to comply with Federal laws, is that the same is failing to comply with Federal laws in order limit people's rights?

Recreational marijuana.


If the goal is to extend rights to people by failing to comply with Federal laws, is that the same is failing to comply with Federal laws in order limit people's rights?

/We can do this all day, if you like.
 
2020-08-28 2:21:35 PM  
Nullify Obamacare in 4 Steps
The Affordable Care Act (AKA "Obamacare") relies heavily on state-level participation and material support to function. From operation of exchanges and the expansion of medicaid to enforcement by state insurance commissioners, major pillars of the federal act need positive state action to function well.
By utilizing the legal doctrine of anti-commandeering (a refusal to cooperate), states can have a serious impact on the ability to carry the federal act or put it into practical effect.
Judge Andrew Napolitano has said that multiple states putting our four-step plan to stop the federal act into practice will "gut Obamacare." We call it "nullification in effect."

https://tenthamendmentcenter.com/legi​s​lation/obamacare/

/Oh wait, that was an attempt to limit people's access to healthcare...
 
2020-08-28 2:48:07 PM  
I didn't hear about it until about noon, or I would have been there. Just a few years too young to have been there when he gave the speech.
 
2020-08-28 3:10:38 PM  

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Not to mention that it's a fairy tale -- yeah he was more peaceful than Malcolm X. And? He wasn't peace uber alles. Ever.

https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/ki​n​g-papers/documents/when-peace-becomes-​obnoxious
 
2020-08-28 3:17:03 PM  

Earguy: Interesting story I saw a couple of years ago : MLK had the speech typed up, and afterwards a teenager asked if he could have the paper, and King obliged. It's now on display somewhere, on the typed page there is a handwritten note along the lines of "ad lib something here." All of the "I have a dream" stuff was made up on the spot. The phrase never appears on the page.


I love this. From what I have learned, it seems that at the end of his speech the Queen of Gospel, Mahalia Jackson, shouted to him, "Tell them about the dream, Martin!" and at that point he improvised. So powerful.
 
2020-08-28 3:17:41 PM  

HighOnCraic: Alien Robot: HighOnCraic: Alien Robot: HighOnCraic: Most remarkable is the spread of "Tenther" interposition and nullification theories, which hold that the states should have special sovereign rights to thwart federal policies in ways not considered legitimate since the eras of Reconstruction and the civil rights movement.

Sanctuary cities...

If the goal is to extend rights to people by failing to comply with Federal laws, is that the same is failing to comply with Federal laws in order limit people's rights?

Recreational marijuana.

If the goal is to extend rights to people by failing to comply with Federal laws, is that the same is failing to comply with Federal laws in order limit people's rights?

/We can do this all day, if you like.


Grazing rights...
 
2020-08-28 3:18:29 PM  
Also, anyone who chooses to quote MLK Jr's "peace" and ignores the fact that his peace-seeking was based on a socialist society is a cherry-picking fool. There is no peace w/o *both* addressing poverty and social injustice.

"All that I have said boils down to the point of affirming that mankind's survival is dependent upon man's ability to solve the problems of racial injustice, poverty, and war"

~ MLK Jr's 1964 Nobel Peace Prize speech

To the douchebags that claim we don't need to raise the min wage back to its 1968 peak, and can just keep creeping slowly towards the future: you were never part of MLK Jr's crew and he'd have punted you in your genitals.
 
2020-08-28 3:36:22 PM  

Alien Robot: HighOnCraic: Alien Robot: HighOnCraic: Alien Robot: HighOnCraic: Most remarkable is the spread of "Tenther" interposition and nullification theories, which hold that the states should have special sovereign rights to thwart federal policies in ways not considered legitimate since the eras of Reconstruction and the civil rights movement.

Sanctuary cities...

If the goal is to extend rights to people by failing to comply with Federal laws, is that the same is failing to comply with Federal laws in order limit people's rights?

Recreational marijuana.

If the goal is to extend rights to people by failing to comply with Federal laws, is that the same is failing to comply with Federal laws in order limit people's rights?

/We can do this all day, if you like.

Grazing rights...


On a scale of one to ten, how desperate are you to change the subject to something that doesn't relate to what MLK was talking about?
 
2020-08-28 3:41:38 PM  

gameshowhost: Also, anyone who chooses to quote MLK Jr's "peace" and ignores the fact that his peace-seeking was based on a socialist society is a cherry-picking fool. There is no peace w/o *both* addressing poverty and social injustice.

"All that I have said boils down to the point of affirming that mankind's survival is dependent upon man's ability to solve the problems of racial injustice, poverty, and war"

~ MLK Jr's 1964 Nobel Peace Prize speech

To the douchebags that claim we don't need to raise the min wage back to its 1968 peak, and can just keep creeping slowly towards the future: you were never part of MLK Jr's crew and he'd have punted you in your genitals.


Funny you should mention raising the minimum wage. Here's an article from the leftist rag, The Economist, that argues that all the evidence says the argument is BS.

https://www.economist.com/schools-bri​e​f/2020/08/15/what-harm-do-minimum-wage​s-do
 
2020-08-28 3:46:20 PM  
From an earlier speech:

...there is need for strong, aggressive leadership from the federal government. So far, only the judicial branch of the government has evinced this quality of leadership. If the executive and legislative branches of the government were as concerned about the protection of our citizenship rights as the federal courts have been, then the transition from a segregated to an integrated society would be infinitely smoother. But we so often look to Washington in vain for this concern. In the midst of the tragic breakdown of law and order, the executive branch of the government is all too silent and apathetic. In the midst of the desperate need for civil rights legislation, the legislative branch of the government is all too stagnant and hypocritical.
This dearth of positive leadership from the federal government is not confined to one particular political party. Both political parties have betrayed the cause of justice. (Oh yes) The Democrats have betrayed it by capitulating to the prejudices and undemocratic practices of the southern Dixiecrats. The Republicans have betrayed it by capitulating to the blatant hypocrisy of right wing, reactionary northerners. These men so often have a high blood pressure of words and an anemia of deeds. [laughter]
In the midst of these prevailing conditions, we come to Washington today pleading with the president and members of Congress to provide a strong, moral, and courageous leadership for a situation that cannot permanently be evaded. We come humbly to say to the men in the forefront of our government that the civil rights issue is not an ephemeral, evanescent domestic issue that can be kicked about by reactionary guardians of the status quo; it is rather an eternal moral issue which may well determine the destiny of our nation (Yeah) in the ideological struggle with communism. The hour is late. The clock of destiny is ticking out. We must act now, before it is too late.

"Give Us the Ballot," Address Delivered at the Prayer Pilgrimage for Freedom

May 17, 1957, Washington, D.C.

https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/ki​n​g-papers/documents/give-us-ballot-addr​ess-delivered-prayer-pilgrimage-freedo​m
 
2020-08-28 4:19:45 PM  

HighOnCraic: Alien Robot: HighOnCraic: Alien Robot: HighOnCraic: Alien Robot: HighOnCraic: Most remarkable is the spread of "Tenther" interposition and nullification theories, which hold that the states should have special sovereign rights to thwart federal policies in ways not considered legitimate since the eras of Reconstruction and the civil rights movement.

Sanctuary cities...

If the goal is to extend rights to people by failing to comply with Federal laws, is that the same is failing to comply with Federal laws in order limit people's rights?

Recreational marijuana.

If the goal is to extend rights to people by failing to comply with Federal laws, is that the same is failing to comply with Federal laws in order limit people's rights?

/We can do this all day, if you like.

Grazing rights...

On a scale of one to ten, how desperate are you to change the subject to something that doesn't relate to what MLK was talking about?


It's exactly what he was taking about. The quote from Dr. King is about states' nullification of federal authority. It's still happening today. I gave examples. It's just you are less inclined to take the federal side when your pet causes are in the crosshairs. I'm consistent. I agree with Dr. King. Then and now.
 
2020-08-28 4:24:02 PM  

HighOnCraic: From an earlier speech:

...there is need for strong, aggressive leadership from the federal government. So far, only the judicial branch of the government has evinced this quality of leadership. If the executive and legislative branches of the government were as concerned about the protection of our citizenship rights as the federal courts have been, then the transition from a segregated to an integrated society would be infinitely smoother. But we so often look to Washington in vain for this concern. In the midst of the tragic breakdown of law and order, the executive branch of the government is all too silent and apathetic. In the midst of the desperate need for civil rights legislation, the legislative branch of the government is all too stagnant and hypocritical.
This dearth of positive leadership from the federal government is not confined to one particular political party. Both political parties have betrayed the cause of justice. (Oh yes) The Democrats have betrayed it by capitulating to the prejudices and undemocratic practices of the southern Dixiecrats. The Republicans have betrayed it by capitulating to the blatant hypocrisy of right wing, reactionary northerners. These men so often have a high blood pressure of words and an anemia of deeds. [laughter]
In the midst of these prevailing conditions, we come to Washington today pleading with the president and members of Congress to provide a strong, moral, and courageous leadership for a situation that cannot permanently be evaded. We come humbly to say to the men in the forefront of our government that the civil rights issue is not an ephemeral, evanescent domestic issue that can be kicked about by reactionary guardians of the status quo; it is rather an eternal moral issue which may well determine the destiny of our nation (Yeah) in the ideological struggle with communism. The hour is late. The clock of destiny is ticking out. We must act now, before it is too late.

"Give Us the Ballot," Address Delivered ...


Best part:  I read it in his voice.
 
2020-08-28 4:27:40 PM  
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2020-08-28 4:49:22 PM  

Alien Robot: HighOnCraic: Alien Robot: HighOnCraic: Alien Robot: HighOnCraic: Alien Robot: HighOnCraic: Most remarkable is the spread of "Tenther" interposition and nullification theories, which hold that the states should have special sovereign rights to thwart federal policies in ways not considered legitimate since the eras of Reconstruction and the civil rights movement.

Sanctuary cities...

If the goal is to extend rights to people by failing to comply with Federal laws, is that the same is failing to comply with Federal laws in order limit people's rights?

Recreational marijuana.

If the goal is to extend rights to people by failing to comply with Federal laws, is that the same is failing to comply with Federal laws in order limit people's rights?

/We can do this all day, if you like.

Grazing rights...

On a scale of one to ten, how desperate are you to change the subject to something that doesn't relate to what MLK was talking about?

It's exactly what he was taking about. The quote from Dr. King is about states' nullification of federal authority. It's still happening today. I gave examples. It's just you are less inclined to take the federal side when your pet causes are in the crosshairs. I'm consistent. I agree with Dr. King. Then and now.



Pet causes.

You still haven't answered this simple question:  If the goal is to extend rights to people by failing to comply with Federal laws, is that the same is failing to comply with Federal laws in order limit people's rights?

Seriously, do you really want to equate state laws that ease up on Federal drug laws or immigration laws to state laws that violated the 14th and 15th amendments (also known as my "pet issues")?

The Supreme Court has answered the question in regard to integration:

More importantly, the Court held that since the Supremacy Clause of Article VI made the US Constitution the supreme law of the land and Marbury v. Madison (1803) made the Supreme Court the final interpreter of the Constitution,[12] the precedent set forth in Brown v. Board of Education is the supreme law of the land and is therefore binding on all the states, regardless of any state laws contradicting it.[13] The Court therefore rejected the contention that the Arkansas legislature and Governor were not bound by the Brown decision.[14] The Supreme Court also rejected the doctrines of nullification and interposition in this case, which had been invoked by segregationists.[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooper_​v​._Aaron

The Supreme Court has answered the question in regard to sanctuary cities:

California's sanctuary city law will survive after the U.S. Supreme Court declined to take the case on, the court announced Monday morning.
The Supreme Court denied the Trump administration's petition challenging Senate Bill 54, which prevents state and local law enforcement from cooperating with federal immigration enforcement officials.
"We're protecting Californians' right to decide how we do public safety in our state," California Attorney General Xavier Beccera said in a statement. "The Trump administration does not have the authority to commandeer state resources. We're heartened by today's Supreme Court decision."
The fight over SB 54 entailed legal interpretations of the 10th Amendment, which regulates states' rights versus the rights of the federal government.
The sanctuary city law was passed in 2017 and faced an immediate legal challenge from the Trump administration. A federal judge ruled against the federal government's attempt to secure a legal injunction and a Ninth Circuit panel upheld that ruling last year.
The Supreme Court's refusal to take up the federal government's petition means that the Ninth Circuit ruling is law. Justices Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas would have taken up review of California's sanctuary laws, but conservative justices Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Chief Justice John Roberts joined their liberal colleagues in denying review.

https://www.courthousenews.com/suprem​e​-court-rejects-trump-challenge-of-cali​fornia-sanctuary-laws/

We'll see how it goes with marijuana legalization...  https://en.wikipedia​.org/wiki/STATES_A​ct#History

/Bless your heart!
 
2020-08-28 5:09:35 PM  

HighOnCraic: You still haven't answered this simple question:  If the goal is to extend rights to people by failing to comply with Federal laws, is that the same is failing to comply with Federal laws in order limit people's rights?


Yes. If a federal law needs to be abrogated by a subordinate authority to extend rights, then change or repeal the federal law. In the meantime, adhere to it. We are a nation of laws.
 
2020-08-28 5:53:59 PM  

geggy: [Fark user image image 425x709]

/South Africa during apartheid years


My dad was an engineer on cargo boats to South Africa in the fifties. He was absolutely appalled by apartheid and it stuck with him for the rest of his life.
 
2020-08-28 8:03:55 PM  

weddingsinger: Earguy: Interesting story I saw a couple of years ago : MLK had the speech typed up, and afterwards a teenager asked if he could have the paper, and King obliged. It's now on display somewhere, on the typed page there is a handwritten note along the lines of "ad lib something here." All of the "I have a dream" stuff was made up on the spot. The phrase never appears on the page.

Not true.  He had been using a version of the most famous text in the speech at events already since 1960 and most of it is identical to text in a 1962 speech.


I will concede your point.

However, this is the report that I remembered. An excerpt:

The speech looks none the worse for the wear. But the irony of the document is that the words "I have a dream" are nowhere to be found.

"It doesn't have a title ... It's not identified as 'I have a dream." You can simply see the date and the time. You'll see that he pretty much followed the script," said Raveling.

"I noticed there's an asterisk here on the copy of the speech," Brown pointed out.

"Right here is where we - we now go into the ad-libbed part of the "I have a dream" speech," said Raveling.
It's true: those famous words were ad-libbed, turning a planned four-minute speech into a 16-minute historic address.
 
2020-08-28 10:28:24 PM  

whitroth: gameshowhost: Also, anyone who chooses to quote MLK Jr's "peace" and ignores the fact that his peace-seeking was based on a socialist society is a cherry-picking fool. There is no peace w/o *both* addressing poverty and social injustice.

"All that I have said boils down to the point of affirming that mankind's survival is dependent upon man's ability to solve the problems of racial injustice, poverty, and war"

~ MLK Jr's 1964 Nobel Peace Prize speech

To the douchebags that claim we don't need to raise the min wage back to its 1968 peak, and can just keep creeping slowly towards the future: you were never part of MLK Jr's crew and he'd have punted you in your genitals.

Funny you should mention raising the minimum wage. Here's an article from the leftist rag, The Economist, that argues that all the evidence says the argument is BS.

https://www.economist.com/schools-brie​f/2020/08/15/what-harm-do-minimum-wage​s-do


Yep.  The first handful of years of min wage in the US proved the stupid argufailment was fear-mongering garbage, but the stupid kept getting pushed and enough people kept fighting that the fail took hold.
 
2020-08-29 3:48:51 AM  
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

Wonder how that's going?

"Calls have been made at several elite American universities to implement racial quotas ... An open letter to Stanford University's president and provost, published on 19 June in the Stanford Daily, demanded that by December 2021, 20% of all students, post-doctoral researchers, staff and faculty at the university be African American."

Fired Wilmington cop: "We are just going to go out and start slaughtering them f****** ni*****. I can't wait. God, I can't wait."


Not so well, then.
 
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