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2020-08-27 9:38:11 AM  
Hockey?
 
2020-08-27 9:48:55 AM  
I'm pretty sure golf & Stock car racing are more "white" than Tennis.
 
2020-08-27 10:17:28 AM  
Have you ever been to a high school tennis tournament subby?  It is 75% Asian kids.  White kids are too fat to play tennis.
 
2020-08-27 10:23:33 AM  
Not to mention that tennis, at least the women's side, has been dominated by a couple of black chicks for the last decade or so.
 
2020-08-27 11:01:25 AM  
So it's going to do about as much good as the NBA pausing.
 
2020-08-27 11:07:07 AM  
I know that subby was trying to sound woke and all, but actually ruined his/her point.

Sports such as hockey, tennis, etc. are only "white" because you perceive them to be and therefore aren't cool. If black NHL players had that mindset as teens, they wouldn't be in the league currently. Eschewing activities you enjoy because the current racial demographics of that activity aren't what they should be in your mind is dumb.
 
2020-08-27 11:08:50 AM  
Polo
 
2020-08-27 11:09:46 AM  
Lacrosse?
 
2020-08-27 11:12:42 AM  
The five stages of grief.

denial:  There is no problem.  Everything is fine and fair.
anger:  You're the one who is causing the problem.  LAW AND ORDER!
bargaining:  Jesus, people.  What do you want?  At my job if I don't show up, I get fired.
depression:  You can never change racism ever so don't even try.  Stupid WTA (we're here).
acceptance.
 
2020-08-27 11:18:39 AM  
so Subby writes a "better to not do anything, all hope is lost, you're not helping" headline and slaps on the spiffy tag? hmm.
 
2020-08-27 11:18:50 AM  

Rapmaster2000: The five stages of grief.

denial:  There is no problem.  Everything is fine and fair.
anger:  You're the one who is causing the problem.  LAW AND ORDER!
bargaining:  Jesus, people.  What do you want?  At my job if I don't show up, I get fired.
depression:  You can never change racism ever so don't even try.  Stupid WTA (we're here).
acceptance.


That crowd is a bunch of talkers who don't have the balls to back up what they believe in.

You think the Murica crowd is gonna boycott themselves from sports any time soon? It ain't like they're going to read books or pick up another hobby anytime soon. Sports are their drug, they'll swear off the NFL, NBA, etc., and come back a month later for their fix.
 
2020-08-27 11:23:35 AM  
Even whiter than nude ping pong?  NSFW
 
2020-08-27 11:27:32 AM  

johnny_vegas: Even whiter than nude ping pong?  NSFW


You know, I really, really wish that actually was a RickRoll.
 
2020-08-27 11:37:45 AM  

JAGChem82: I know that subby was trying to sound woke and all, but actually ruined his/her point.


JAGChem82: You think the Murica crowd is gonna boycott themselves from sports any time soon? It ain't like they're going to read books or pick up another hobby anytime soon. Sports are their drug, they'll swear off the NFL, NBA, etc., and come back a month later for their fix.


The NBA and ATP/WTA are not being boycotted by fans. The members of those associations, the athletes themselves, are refusing to play. Can you see why those two situations are different?

Also, do us all a favor and remove "woke" from your vocabulary.

/not subby
 
2020-08-27 11:38:58 AM  

Eddie Hazel's E string: JAGChem82: I know that subby was trying to sound woke and all, but actually ruined his/her point.

JAGChem82: You think the Murica crowd is gonna boycott themselves from sports any time soon? It ain't like they're going to read books or pick up another hobby anytime soon. Sports are their drug, they'll swear off the NFL, NBA, etc., and come back a month later for their fix.

The NBA and ATP/WTA are not being boycotted by fans. The members of those associations, the athletes themselves, are refusing to play. Can you see why those two situations are different?

Also, do us all a favor and remove "woke" from your vocabulary.

/not subby


The hell was your point?
 
2020-08-27 11:46:05 AM  
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2020-08-27 11:46:12 AM  
Yachting?
 
2020-08-27 11:46:18 AM  

JAGChem82: The hell was your point?


That a pause in play is more akin to a strike than a boycott.

Both of your posts are comments on boycotts. That's not relevant to an article and discussion on a labor strike.
 
2020-08-27 11:47:32 AM  

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Wrong thread!
 
2020-08-27 11:50:56 AM  

Eddie Hazel's E string: JAGChem82: The hell was your point?

That a pause in play is more akin to a strike than a boycott.

Both of your posts are comments on boycotts. That's not relevant to an article and discussion on a labor strike.


My second post was refering to Rapmaster's regarding complainin fans.

My Boobies was criticizing subby on certain sports being "white". Neither of my posts criticized players for deciding to strike, and I damn well know the difference between a strike and a boycott.
 
2020-08-27 11:53:21 AM  
NASCAR?

If they stop a race, then that would indicate real progress.
 
2020-08-27 11:59:32 AM  
Glad Fark makes it a point to ridicule people supporting the BLM movement.
 
2020-08-27 12:04:38 PM  

Kuta: NASCAR?

If they stop a race, then that would indicate real progress.


Maybe it's semantics but I wouldn't consider it progress.  I would consider it an effect of NOT making progress
 
2020-08-27 12:05:51 PM  

JAGChem82: My second post was refering to Rapmaster's regarding complainin fans.

My Boobies was criticizing subby on certain sports being "white". Neither of my posts criticized players for deciding to strike, and I damn well know the difference between a strike and a boycott.


Roger that. I saw "Eschewing activities you enjoy..." in your Weeners and my mind went to boycott, when now I realize you were talking about the self-selection of sports to participate in.

Didn't say you criticized players for the strike, but I did recommend you stop labeling others as "woke." That's never going to strengthen any point that follows. It always comes across as mocking.
 
2020-08-27 12:07:06 PM  
Group supports the BLM by pausing tournament: "HAHAHAHA, look at those dumb white people thinking they're making a difference"

Group doesn't pause tournament: "WTF, why are these racist crackers not supporting BLM"
 
2020-08-27 12:10:20 PM  
Cheese rolling?
 
2020-08-27 1:28:23 PM  
Hockey and tennis need to do their own thing. There's nothing the black community hates more than tokenism or white people co-opting their thing. So these predominantly white and foreign sports need to help out and support BLM in their own unique way.

I call it Peter Normaning, after this guy:

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This is from the medal ceremony of the 200m in the 1968 Olympics. The two Americans, Tommie Smith and John Carlos, were barefoot, wearing slave beads, black gloves, and a raised black power first to protest apartheid in South Africa.

The white guy is Australian silver medalist Peter Norman. He is not barefoot or raising a fist, but on his chest is an OPHR patch -- the Olympic Project for Human Rights. Smith and Carlos told him before the ceremony what they planned to do and they had his full agreement and support.

But he can't raise his fist. As a white person that just looks terrible, as bad as calling his friends the n-word. He had to support the movement in his own way.

Norman, Smith and Carlos were kicked out of the Olympics for this stunt, and subsequently ejected from their respective national Olympic committees, effectively ending their careers. They became friends for years afterward and they continued to fight for human rights and racial equality. When Norman died a few years ago, Carlos and Smith were pallbearers at his funeral.

Point is white people (and white sports) can show solidarity with Black Lives Matter and associated movements, but they have to do it their own way. They can't raise a fist, but they can contribute the best way white people know how: With money.

I submit that the NHL players should start a fund, or donate their Stanley Cup bonus money, to worthy causes supporting racial quality and social justice. It is a gesture that demonstrates, more than the flowery pointlessness of taking a knee or sending thoughts and prayers, that the players are willing to make sacrifices for a greater social order, and to let the world know that these Playoffs for now on are in service to this cause. They are playing for BLM rather than striking for BLM.

I would like it if the advertisers and broadcasters and NHL owners who all make money off these games to do the same, but that's up to them. It's funny how when something like this happens the first finger we point is at the athletes and not their immensely rich white 1% owners who have generationally facilitated this type of culture in the first place.

Just a thought.
 
2020-08-27 1:44:20 PM  
What the hell does this have to do with lumberjacks?
 
2020-08-27 1:45:55 PM  
One thing that may speak to the NHLPA's reluctance to speak out: unique among major sports in North America, the NHL is primarily not US citizens. This may lead to some reluctance to speak out on the part of players who are from Canada or Europe.
I'm not saying it is right, and what I just wrote is pure speculation, but it is understandable. The players are damned now because they haven't spoken out, and when or if they do, they will be damned for interfering in US politics as Non-Citizens.
 
2020-08-27 1:59:44 PM  

Dknsvsbl: One thing that may speak to the NHLPA's reluctance to speak out: unique among major sports in North America, the NHL is primarily not US citizens. This may lead to some reluctance to speak out on the part of players who are from Canada or Europe.
I'm not saying it is right, and what I just wrote is pure speculation, but it is understandable. The players are damned now because they haven't spoken out, and when or if they do, they will be damned for interfering in US politics as Non-Citizens.


This too.

The NHL is only 25% American. 1/3 of the players are from Europe. And while they probably sympathize with BLM, they may also feel it is not their place to opine on the social politics of another country.

And I don't know why mostly American sports writers are upset that Canadian and European athletes are not doing more to side with the plight of black people in the United States. It's like Australia getting upset at Americans for not caring more about dingos mauling babies.

The United States has historically been fairly blase about issues in other countries so why are they upset when those other countries show the same level of concern? You get what you give.

And again: I submit that the NHL and the NHLPA can do something other than the token gesture of a 5 minute speech and 10 second moment of silence, or instead of postponing the playoffs. That they don't do so isn't an indication of callousness, but rather an indication that the NHL is more international than the other sports so getting everyone to buy in to a single cause or movement is a more difficult. They may still do something, they just can't do it immediately.
 
2020-08-27 2:06:47 PM  

Ishkur: Dknsvsbl: One thing that may speak to the NHLPA's reluctance to speak out: unique among major sports in North America, the NHL is primarily not US citizens. This may lead to some reluctance to speak out on the part of players who are from Canada or Europe.
I'm not saying it is right, and what I just wrote is pure speculation, but it is understandable. The players are damned now because they haven't spoken out, and when or if they do, they will be damned for interfering in US politics as Non-Citizens.

This too.

The NHL is only 25% American. 1/3 of the players are from Europe. And while they probably sympathize with BLM, they may also feel it is not their place to opine on the social politics of another country.

And I don't know why mostly American sports writers are upset that Canadian and European athletes are not doing more to side with the plight of black people in the United States. It's like Australia getting upset at Americans for not caring more about dingos mauling babies.

The United States has historically been fairly blase about issues in other countries so why are they upset when those other countries show the same level of concern? You get what you give.

And again: I submit that the NHL and the NHLPA can do something other than the token gesture of a 5 minute speech and 10 second moment of silence, or instead of postponing the playoffs. That they don't do so isn't an indication of callousness, but rather an indication that the NHL is more international than the other sports so getting everyone to buy in to a single cause or movement is a more difficult. They may still do something, they just can't do it immediately.


I agree that there is much the NHL and NHLPA can do other than tokenism. As a Canadian hockey fan, I hope they find a way, and as the father of a mixed race young man, a musician who's career takes him across the border often, I hope we can find a way to make things better, and soon, because I can see myself in every parent of the victims.
 
2020-08-27 2:32:55 PM  

Dknsvsbl: One thing that may speak to the NHLPA's reluctance to speak out: unique among major sports in North America, the NHL is primarily not US citizens. This may lead to some reluctance to speak out on the part of players who are from Canada or Europe.
I'm not saying it is right, and what I just wrote is pure speculation, but it is understandable. The players are damned now because they haven't spoken out, and when or if they do, they will be damned for interfering in US politics as Non-Citizens.


I speak only for myself, but I welcome constructive, foreign criticism of our shiatshow of a country.
 
2020-08-27 2:39:06 PM  

Ishkur: They became friends for years afterward and they continued to fight for human rights and racial equality. When Norman died a few years ago, Carlos and Smith were pallbearers at his funeral.


The memorial at San Jose State features an empty step where Norman would have been. This was actually done on his suggestion, so that others could stand in his place in solidarity with the others.

My brother-in-law lives out near San Jose, and I really want to go see this whenever we manage to visit him. (Which was supposed to be this summer, but, well...)
 
2020-08-27 2:40:27 PM  

Palined Parenthood: Dknsvsbl: One thing that may speak to the NHLPA's reluctance to speak out: unique among major sports in North America, the NHL is primarily not US citizens. This may lead to some reluctance to speak out on the part of players who are from Canada or Europe.
I'm not saying it is right, and what I just wrote is pure speculation, but it is understandable. The players are damned now because they haven't spoken out, and when or if they do, they will be damned for interfering in US politics as Non-Citizens.

I speak only for myself, but I welcome constructive, foreign criticism of our shiatshow of a country.


Well, maybe not when Putin does it so he can defend the Belarus dictator.
 
2020-08-27 3:00:18 PM  

Trocadero: Palined Parenthood: Dknsvsbl: One thing that may speak to the NHLPA's reluctance to speak out: unique among major sports in North America, the NHL is primarily not US citizens. This may lead to some reluctance to speak out on the part of players who are from Canada or Europe.
I'm not saying it is right, and what I just wrote is pure speculation, but it is understandable. The players are damned now because they haven't spoken out, and when or if they do, they will be damned for interfering in US politics as Non-Citizens.

I speak only for myself, but I welcome constructive, GOOD FAITH foreign criticism of our shiatshow of a country.

Well, maybe not when Putin does it so he can defend the Belarus dictator.


Thank you for pointing out a weakness in my statement. I have amended it accordingly.
 
2020-08-27 3:05:37 PM  

Ishkur: Hockey and tennis need to do their own thing. There's nothing the black community hates more than tokenism or white people co-opting their thing. So these predominantly white and foreign sports need to help out and support BLM in their own unique way.

I call it Peter Normaning, after this guy:

[Fark user image 640x896]

This is from the medal ceremony of the 200m in the 1968 Olympics. The two Americans, Tommie Smith and John Carlos, were barefoot, wearing slave beads, black gloves, and a raised black power first to protest apartheid in South Africa.

The white guy is Australian silver medalist Peter Norman. He is not barefoot or raising a fist, but on his chest is an OPHR patch -- the Olympic Project for Human Rights. Smith and Carlos told him before the ceremony what they planned to do and they had his full agreement and support.

But he can't raise his fist. As a white person that just looks terrible, as bad as calling his friends the n-word. He had to support the movement in his own way.

Norman, Smith and Carlos were kicked out of the Olympics for this stunt, and subsequently ejected from their respective national Olympic committees, effectively ending their careers. They became friends for years afterward and they continued to fight for human rights and racial equality. When Norman died a few years ago, Carlos and Smith were pallbearers at his funeral.

Point is white people (and white sports) can show solidarity with Black Lives Matter and associated movements, but they have to do it their own way. They can't raise a fist, but they can contribute the best way white people know how: With money.

I submit that the NHL players should start a fund, or donate their Stanley Cup bonus money, to worthy causes supporting racial quality and social justice. It is a gesture that demonstrates, more than the flowery pointlessness of taking a knee or sending thoughts and prayers, that the players are willing to make sacrifices for a greater social order, and to let the wor ...


I'm amazed a white guy actually came in second.
 
2020-08-27 3:07:33 PM  
Gaelic football?
(I don't know who's whiter than the Irish, based on people I know)
 
2020-08-27 4:50:19 PM  

Ishkur: Dknsvsbl: One thing that may speak to the NHLPA's reluctance to speak out: unique among major sports in North America, the NHL is primarily not US citizens. This may lead to some reluctance to speak out on the part of players who are from Canada or Europe.
I'm not saying it is right, and what I just wrote is pure speculation, but it is understandable. The players are damned now because they haven't spoken out, and when or if they do, they will be damned for interfering in US politics as Non-Citizens.

This too.

The NHL is only 25% American. 1/3 of the players are from Europe. And while they probably sympathize with BLM, they may also feel it is not their place to opine on the social politics of another country.


I feel two ways about this.

One the one hand, I feel that criticisms of the NHL as being too white are a bit unfair, given where the players come from.  A league that draws a significant portion of its talent pool from Scandinavia and eastern Europe and Russia is going to have a lot of white players, because that's what those countries look like.

On the other hand, Canada is increasingly diverse, and the Americans are making up an increasing percentage of players, and both of those two countries are still developing and producing overwhelmingly white athletes.  Now, I don't know that it's necessarily a problem just that the sport is disproportionately white any more than it's a problem that basketball is disproportionately black or that baseball is disproportionately Latino (relative to the general US population) - which is to say, not a problem.  BUT, it is important that every feel welcomed in the sport and be given opportunities, and I don't think that has been the case.

Also, hockey culture has traditionally been conservative to the point of regressiveness, prizing an outmoded vision of hypermasculinity (stoicism, playing through injury, responding to perceived slights - eg. "too much" celebrating - with violence or fighting).  This vision has been championed by many in hockey and hockey media.  The fact that fossils such as Don Cherry and Mike Milbury were both still on the air as recently as a year ago, does not reflect a sport that had really evolved much into the 21st Century.

Hopefully things are starting to change a bit.
 
2020-08-27 5:02:55 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Ishkur: Dknsvsbl: One thing that may speak to the NHLPA's reluctance to speak out: unique among major sports in North America, the NHL is primarily not US citizens. This may lead to some reluctance to speak out on the part of players who are from Canada or Europe.
I'm not saying it is right, and what I just wrote is pure speculation, but it is understandable. The players are damned now because they haven't spoken out, and when or if they do, they will be damned for interfering in US politics as Non-Citizens.

This too.

The NHL is only 25% American. 1/3 of the players are from Europe. And while they probably sympathize with BLM, they may also feel it is not their place to opine on the social politics of another country.

I feel two ways about this.

One the one hand, I feel that criticisms of the NHL as being too white are a bit unfair, given where the players come from.  A league that draws a significant portion of its talent pool from Scandinavia and eastern Europe and Russia is going to have a lot of white players, because that's what those countries look like.

On the other hand, Canada is increasingly diverse, and the Americans are making up an increasing percentage of players, and both of those two countries are still developing and producing overwhelmingly white athletes.  Now, I don't know that it's necessarily a problem just that the sport is disproportionately white any more than it's a problem that basketball is disproportionately black or that baseball is disproportionately Latino (relative to the general US population) - which is to say, not a problem.  BUT, it is important that every feel welcomed in the sport and be given opportunities, and I don't think that has been the case.

Also, hockey culture has traditionally been conservative to the point of regressiveness, prizing an outmoded vision of hypermasculinity (stoicism, playing through injury, responding to perceived slights - eg. "too much" celebrating - with violence or fighting).  This vision has been championed by many in hockey and hockey media.  The fact that fossils such as Don Cherry and Mike Milbury were both still on the air as recently as a year ago, does not reflect a sport that had really evolved much into the 21st Century.

Hopefully things are starting to change a bit.


The reason for hockey being a "mostly white" sport other than geography, is because the cost of equipment and ice time.

Anyone can grab a ball and go to a local park to shoot hoops or play football with friends.

The cost of hockey is not cheap, especially at a high-development level.
 
2020-08-27 5:20:58 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Ishkur: Dknsvsbl: One thing that may speak to the NHLPA's reluctance to speak out: unique among major sports in North America, the NHL is primarily not US citizens. This may lead to some reluctance to speak out on the part of players who are from Canada or Europe.
I'm not saying it is right, and what I just wrote is pure speculation, but it is understandable. The players are damned now because they haven't spoken out, and when or if they do, they will be damned for interfering in US politics as Non-Citizens.

This too.

The NHL is only 25% American. 1/3 of the players are from Europe. And while they probably sympathize with BLM, they may also feel it is not their place to opine on the social politics of another country.

I feel two ways about this.

One the one hand, I feel that criticisms of the NHL as being too white are a bit unfair, given where the players come from.  A league that draws a significant portion of its talent pool from Scandinavia and eastern Europe and Russia is going to have a lot of white players, because that's what those countries look like.

On the other hand, Canada is increasingly diverse, and the Americans are making up an increasing percentage of players, and both of those two countries are still developing and producing overwhelmingly white athletes.  Now, I don't know that it's necessarily a problem just that the sport is disproportionately white any more than it's a problem that basketball is disproportionately black or that baseball is disproportionately Latino (relative to the general US population) - which is to say, not a problem.  BUT, it is important that every feel welcomed in the sport and be given opportunities, and I don't think that has been the case.

Also, hockey culture has traditionally been conservative to the point of regressiveness, prizing an outmoded vision of hypermasculinity (stoicism, playing through injury, responding to perceived slights - eg. "too much" celebrating - with violence or fighting).  This vision ha ...


I'm not necessarily big into solely pointing out racial demographics of a sport or activity and chiding it for that reason alone. e.g., the NHL being 90% white in and on itself isn't the problem, and it's not like it's going to be multiracial next season, either.

I can admit that in my own ignorance as a youth, I thought black men in the NHL were "sellouts", but in reality, they were waaaaaaay more brave than I could ever imagine. They didn't listen to the "you ain't black for playing a white man's sport" crowd or quit the "you can't play OUR sport" group. They stuck with what they liked and persevered.

And on a side note, being from St. Louis originally, I sure as hell got on the Blues' bandwagon the minute they made it to the WCF against San Jose and made it to the Stanley Cup and won against the Bruins. Apparently the universe was brought to disorder when they won, however.
 
2020-08-27 5:50:25 PM  
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