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2020-08-27 11:41:09 AM  
What does ending the season accomplish?
 
2020-08-27 11:41:52 AM  
Good for them. Enough is enough. Long past enough, actually.
 
2020-08-27 11:45:07 AM  
No, they didn't vote to end the season "over protests", dumbass.

Just like Colin Kaepernick wasn't protesting the flag or the troops.

They're protesting the continued refusal by police departments to police themselves or to serve and protect Americans. They're protesting that black people continue to be murdered for minor offenses while white people can gun down black people and not even get arrested until there ARE protests.
 
2020-08-27 11:47:21 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: What does ending the season accomplish?


Maybe, just maybe it's a big enough media attraction to make even more people aware of systemic racism in this country?
 
2020-08-27 11:47:31 AM  
Too bad Kaep was on the right side of history back then, and got farked over just for taking a knee.

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2020-08-27 11:47:43 AM  
Next NFL players need to go home. The football season is all that Trump has left for his mirage of "normalcy". Please, please NFL players take that away from him
 
2020-08-27 11:49:29 AM  
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2020-08-27 11:50:38 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: What does ending the season accomplish?


I can tell you, the one thing the people in small town Wisconsin like Kenosha worship most is the Green Bay Packers.  Nothing will get shiat to change faster there than the Packers refusing to play until shiat gets done.
The Bucks are on track to be NBA title contenders, I expect that's a smaller version with a smaller effect compared to the Packers refusing to play.
 
2020-08-27 11:54:00 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: What does ending the season accomplish?


The push for sports is seen as a way to present the idea that these times are not that different than normal. Players blowing up their own livelyhoods destroys that narrative completely. These are far, far from normal times. That is why the NFL needs to follow suit
 
2020-08-27 12:02:17 PM  
This is just the tip of the iceberg.  I anticipate similar strikes in other sports.
 
151
2020-08-27 12:06:30 PM  
Woj just tweeted that they
 
151
2020-08-27 12:06:53 PM  
God dammit.

The playoffs will continue, today's games postponed.
 
2020-08-27 12:07:51 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: What does ending the season accomplish?


We live in a society where sports and entertainment are the few areas where black people can exert their influence.  If the teams stop playing sportsball and the entertainers stop singing and dancing then a lot of white people with influence over the areas of society that are in need of reform are going to feel that in their wallets
 
2020-08-27 12:08:48 PM  
Guess paychecks beat principles.. But hey, they made a big sacrifice by... getting a couple of extra rest days in the playoffs.
 
2020-08-27 12:09:59 PM  

theToadMan: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: What does ending the season accomplish?

The push for sports is seen as a way to present the idea that these times are not that different than normal. Players blowing up their own livelyhoods destroys that narrative completely. These are far, far from normal times. That is why the NFL needs to follow suit


NBA just voted to continue... so they wussed out too.

Though... if enough high-profile players strike, that will probably do the trick and reverse course again.
 
2020-08-27 12:14:02 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: What does ending the season accomplish?


Stopping the circuses would cause owners, TV networks, and various other corporate entities to lose a shiat-tom of bread.
 
2020-08-27 12:15:19 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: What does ending the season accomplish?


Absolutely nothing.

Granted, the protests overall are also almost as useless.

The only real change in these sorts of things is at the ballot box, and elections don't happen every day (IE, change is very, very slow).  In fact, it is possible that the whole protest situation is at the point where it is becoming counter-productive, increasing the chances of Trump winning, Republicans in general winning, and reforms in general failing.
 
2020-08-27 12:15:54 PM  
Well, Bye.
 
2020-08-27 12:16:50 PM  

151: God dammit.

The playoffs will continue, today's games postponed.


The farking article says the Lakers and Clippers have dropped out with everybody else playing.
 
2020-08-27 12:21:26 PM  

Geotpf: 151: God dammit.

The playoffs will continue, today's games postponed.

The farking article says the Lakers and Clippers have dropped out with everybody else playing.


The resumption of playoff games could come as soon as Friday, but there is expected to be a return to this season by the weekend, sources tell ESPN. https://t.co/A2PazNKDhy
- Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) August 27, 2020
Article out of date already
 
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2020-08-27 12:21:58 PM  

Geotpf: 151: God dammit.

The playoffs will continue, today's games postponed.

The farking article says the Lakers and Clippers have dropped out with everybody else playing.


And new information says otherwise.

NBA players have decided to resume the playoffs, a source tells ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.
Thursday's three playoff games will be postponed and it's undetermined when the games will be rescheduled.
Players held a meeting at 11 a.m. ET. There will be another meeting Thursday with two players from each team, sources tell ESPN's Tim MacMahon.
Wednesday the Milwaukee Bucks team lead a protest that resulted in a postponement of all three games that day.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29​752941/nba-players-decide-resume-playo​ffs
 
2020-08-27 12:23:17 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: What does ending the season accomplish?


We're sitting here talking- at least tangentially- about racism.  So there's that.
 
2020-08-27 12:23:44 PM  
Seems like the Bruins also decided not to play last night.
 
2020-08-27 12:29:53 PM  

ElmoClyde: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: What does ending the season accomplish?

Stopping the circuses would cause owners, TV networks, and various other corporate entities to lose a shiat-tom of bread.


This. There was another article specific to the Bucks that suggested the intention of the boycott/strike was to force their owner and possibly other owners to make calls to local government to enact change, because they didn't feel that they had the power themselves to persuade change through social actions.
 
2020-08-27 12:34:34 PM  

151: Geotpf: 151: God dammit.

The playoffs will continue, today's games postponed.

The farking article says the Lakers and Clippers have dropped out with everybody else playing.

And new information says otherwise.

NBA players have decided to resume the playoffs, a source tells ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.
Thursday's three playoff games will be postponed and it's undetermined when the games will be rescheduled.
Players held a meeting at 11 a.m. ET. There will be another meeting Thursday with two players from each team, sources tell ESPN's Tim MacMahon.
Wednesday the Milwaukee Bucks team lead a protest that resulted in a postponement of all three games that day.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29​752941/nba-players-decide-resume-playo​ffs


I think I may have misread the older info.  IE, the two LA teams voted to drop out but since they were out voted they would have continued to play anyways because they lost the vote; it was an all or nothing vote.
 
2020-08-27 12:39:56 PM  

bfh0417: Well, Bye.


Wait, so yesterday it was "Meh, one game. If they want to send that message, it'll take more than a one game gesture," (your words, this thread) but after the biggest star in the league, his entire team, and another championship-calibur large market team decide that they are willing to end their championship aspirations and forfeit the playoffs, it's just "well, bye"?

Will you ever concede your stubborn, willful negativity in the face of actual events or facts?
 
2020-08-27 12:45:27 PM  

Geotpf: Granted, the protests overall are also almost as useless.

The only real change in these sorts of things is at the ballot box...


Then it's a good thing that protests increase voter turnout (The Atlantic, September 2020 issue)

For example, although Black voters cast ballots in lower numbers in the 2016 general election than they had in 2012, the drop-off was less pronounced in areas where Black Lives Matter was active. And in areas that witnessed heightened levels of protest activity, Black voter turnout increased.
 
2020-08-27 12:49:32 PM  
Sports is a luxury resulting from functioning societies at peace.
 
2020-08-27 1:01:26 PM  
Honestly, they all might as well go on strike at this point.

Whomever wins or won the playoffs would have a big asterisk regarding their season. And it's not like there are fans in the stands anyway.

e.g., Who's going to brag about winning the 2020 WS in MLB? Even if the Cardinals were kicking ass in the league, a WS would be tainted and useless in a 60 game season.
 
2020-08-27 1:20:49 PM  

Eddie Hazel's E string: bfh0417: Well, Bye.

Wait, so yesterday it was "Meh, one game. If they want to send that message, it'll take more than a one game gesture," (your words, this thread) but after the biggest star in the league, his entire team, and another championship-calibur large market team decide that they are willing to end their championship aspirations and forfeit the playoffs, it's just "well, bye"?

Will you ever concede your stubborn, willful negativity in the face of actual events or facts?


Didn't I just see that the players have decided to resume the playoffs?
 
2020-08-27 1:24:47 PM  

Geotpf: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: What does ending the season accomplish?

Absolutely nothing.

Granted, the protests overall are also almost as useless.

The only real change in these sorts of things is at the ballot box, and elections don't happen every day (IE, change is very, very slow).  In fact, it is possible that the whole protest situation is at the point where it is becoming counter-productive, increasing the chances of Trump winning, Republicans in general winning, and reforms in general failing.


This is sort of the unfortunate thing. They really should stop the protesting because, frankly, no one really is paying attention anymore in a positive way and all protestors really are now are targets. Targets for Trump to put into vans hoping people will riot over it, or now just literal targets. It's all PR, and while they had great PR a few months ago that's really worn off because, as usual, the bad guys have such a tremendous advantage in messaging
 
2020-08-27 1:26:16 PM  

Eddie Hazel's E string: bfh0417: Well, Bye.

Wait, so yesterday it was "Meh, one game. If they want to send that message, it'll take more than a one game gesture," (your words, this thread) but after the biggest star in the league, his entire team, and another championship-calibur large market team decide that they are willing to end their championship aspirations and forfeit the playoffs, it's just "well, bye"?

Will you ever concede your stubborn, willful negativity in the face of actual events or facts?


Nope. People like this are garbage to be thrown out.
 
2020-08-27 1:31:19 PM  

JAGChem82: Honestly, they all might as well go on strike at this point.

Whomever wins or won the playoffs would have a big asterisk regarding their season. And it's not like there are fans in the stands anyway.

e.g., Who's going to brag about winning the 2020 WS in MLB? Even if the Cardinals were kicking ass in the league, a WS would be tainted and useless in a 60 game season.


Frankly, if you break it down, the World Series always has high variation.  (Higher still if somebody cheats.)

That is, the best team doesn't always win (unlike, say, the Super Bowl, where significant underdogs rarely win).  But this also means that it's unlikely to be seriously "tainted" either.

The real slog is winning the division, and a 60 game season is certainly less of a slog than a 162 game season (which is the longest season in any professional sport anywhere on the planet).

/of course, I'm a Dodger fan, who have won the division seven times straight (but no World Series since 1988)
//they are also leading in this year's short season
///probably have a better team this year versus the previous seven years
 
2020-08-27 1:41:17 PM  

TDWCom29: Geotpf: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: What does ending the season accomplish?

Absolutely nothing.

Granted, the protests overall are also almost as useless.

The only real change in these sorts of things is at the ballot box, and elections don't happen every day (IE, change is very, very slow).  In fact, it is possible that the whole protest situation is at the point where it is becoming counter-productive, increasing the chances of Trump winning, Republicans in general winning, and reforms in general failing.

This is sort of the unfortunate thing. They really should stop the protesting because, frankly, no one really is paying attention anymore in a positive way and all protestors really are now are targets. Targets for Trump to put into vans hoping people will riot over it, or now just literal targets. It's all PR, and while they had great PR a few months ago that's really worn off because, as usual, the bad guys have such a tremendous advantage in messaging


Yup.  I saw a sad Youtube video about a guy who ran the furniture store his parents started 50 years ago that was burned to the ground during the recent protests in Wisconsin.  Was his store burned down by BLM protestors, right wing counter protesters, or random assholes?  Who knows, and, politically, it doesn't matter.  If scared white people associate with this guy more than the black people getting shot, Trump wins.
 
2020-08-27 1:42:17 PM  

bfh0417: Eddie Hazel's E string: bfh0417: Well, Bye.

Wait, so yesterday it was "Meh, one game. If they want to send that message, it'll take more than a one game gesture," (your words, this thread) but after the biggest star in the league, his entire team, and another championship-calibur large market team decide that they are willing to end their championship aspirations and forfeit the playoffs, it's just "well, bye"?

Will you ever concede your stubborn, willful negativity in the face of actual events or facts?

Didn't I just see that the players have decided to resume the playoffs?


Well, at least you aren't denying your persistent negativity ;-)

Even if the playoffs resume tomorrow night, that means that 6 playoff games were postponed (12 total teams sitting out) over 2 days. That's a circumstance that would seem to warrant more than a "meh" in response. Especially since the players actually voted on whether or not to continue the season, with two potential championship teams initially opting out.

I'm sick of kneejerk pessimism on absolutely everything related to taking a stance or making a potential change in this world.
 
2020-08-27 1:51:00 PM  
Sports are often a distraction. 

Right now, being distracted is irresponsible at best.
 
2020-08-27 1:55:13 PM  

Eddie Hazel's E string: Even if the playoffs resume tomorrow night, that means that 6 playoff games were postponed (12 total teams sitting out) over 2 days.


Oooh, they got 2 extra rest days in the playoffs.  They are basically just like Joan of Arc.

That's a circumstance that would seem to warrant more than a "meh" in response. Especially since the players actually voted on whether or not to continue the season, with two potential championship teams initially opting out.

They certainly *discussed* making a sacrifice.

Meanwhile, if anyone criticizes Emperor Xi for ethnic cleansing or anti democratic crackdowns, Bron Bron calls them uneducated, because making *that* stand might hurt his Merch.
 
2020-08-27 2:05:29 PM  

theToadMan: Next NFL players need to go home. The football season is all that Trump has left for his mirage of "normalcy". Please, please NFL players take that away from him


It's starting, a handful of teams have cancelled practice today.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2​9​752219/some-nfl-teams-cancel-practices​-response-jacob-blake-shooting
 
2020-08-27 2:07:04 PM  

Pincy: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: What does ending the season accomplish?

Maybe, just maybe it's a big enough media attraction to make even more people aware of systemic racism in this country?


There has been nothing but media attraction. I am pretty sure everyone is  aware of systemic racism in the USA by now.  Is there really anyone here who is hearing about this for the first time?   IS THERE?
 
2020-08-27 2:08:57 PM  

New Burner Account: Eddie Hazel's E string: Even if the playoffs resume tomorrow night, that means that 6 playoff games were postponed (12 total teams sitting out) over 2 days.

Oooh, they got 2 extra rest days in the playoffs.  They are basically just like Joan of Arc.

That's a circumstance that would seem to warrant more than a "meh" in response. Especially since the players actually voted on whether or not to continue the season, with two potential championship teams initially opting out.

They certainly *discussed* making a sacrifice.

Meanwhile, if anyone criticizes Emperor Xi for ethnic cleansing or anti democratic crackdowns, Bron Bron calls them uneducated, because making *that* stand might hurt his Merch.


Okay? So what's your point? They should just sit down and say "I guess police shooting black people is okay" because they're tepid about something happening in another country?
 
2020-08-27 2:12:37 PM  

TDWCom29: New Burner Account: Eddie Hazel's E string: Even if the playoffs resume tomorrow night, that means that 6 playoff games were postponed (12 total teams sitting out) over 2 days.

Oooh, they got 2 extra rest days in the playoffs.  They are basically just like Joan of Arc.

That's a circumstance that would seem to warrant more than a "meh" in response. Especially since the players actually voted on whether or not to continue the season, with two potential championship teams initially opting out.

They certainly *discussed* making a sacrifice.

Meanwhile, if anyone criticizes Emperor Xi for ethnic cleansing or anti democratic crackdowns, Bron Bron calls them uneducated, because making *that* stand might hurt his Merch.

Okay? So what's your point? They should just sit down and say "I guess police shooting black people is okay" because they're tepid about something happening in another country?


The point is mostly fark LeBron.

fark the police too, but fark LeBron.
 
2020-08-27 2:24:56 PM  

AndoCommando: Pincy: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: What does ending the season accomplish?

Maybe, just maybe it's a big enough media attraction to make even more people aware of systemic racism in this country?

There has been nothing but media attraction. I am pretty sure everyone is  aware of systemic racism in the USA by now.  Is there really anyone here who is hearing about this for the first time?   IS THERE?


No, but this is the first time I'm hearing about systemic racism in Calgary, Alberta. Fark you for trying to downplay the impact of some much-needed support.
 
2020-08-27 2:27:17 PM  

AndoCommando: Pincy: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: What does ending the season accomplish?

Maybe, just maybe it's a big enough media attraction to make even more people aware of systemic racism in this country?

There has been nothing but media attraction. I am pretty sure everyone is  aware of systemic racism in the USA by now.  Is there really anyone here who is hearing about this for the first time?   IS THERE?


Indeed but there was also extensive coverage of COVID-19 before the NBA postponed the entire season. That was a wake-up call for a lot of people. Perhaps this will be as well. The thing about protests is that you never know if they are going have any effect and they often do not. But you gotta keep at it because when society is ready for change it often takes just a little nudge to change everything
 
2020-08-27 2:29:22 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: AndoCommando: Pincy: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: What does ending the season accomplish?

Maybe, just maybe it's a big enough media attraction to make even more people aware of systemic racism in this country?

There has been nothing but media attraction. I am pretty sure everyone is  aware of systemic racism in the USA by now.  Is there really anyone here who is hearing about this for the first time?   IS THERE?

Indeed but there was also extensive coverage of COVID-19 before the NBA postponed the entire season. That was a wake-up call for a lot of people. Perhaps this will be as well. The thing about protests is that you never know if they are going have any effect and they often do not. But you gotta keep at it because when society is ready for change it often takes just a little nudge to change everything


And I'll add that it was also a wake-up call for me. I follow the news but I honestly did not take COVID-19 as seriously as I should have. Maybe I'm just dumb but let's face: I'm not alone in that regard.
 
2020-08-27 2:49:31 PM  

JAGChem82: Honestly, they all might as well go on strike at this point.

Whomever wins or won the playoffs would have a big asterisk regarding their season. And it's not like there are fans in the stands anyway.

e.g., Who's going to brag about winning the 2020 WS in MLB? Even if the Cardinals were kicking ass in the league, a WS would be tainted and useless in a 60 game season.


On a sports level only, I disagree... I think the NBA championship will not have an asterisk.  It's a pretty complete season.  No one will really care that there were no fans in the stands.

Baseball has completely made a franken-season out of this (7-inning games, extra innings rules, 16 team playoffs... all of these things are very much not MLB)  They fundamentally changed the core of the game.

Do you feel the 1981 dodgers are an asterisk?  I don't.  Less games isn't fully relevant.  Not sure why even... just isn't.  As long as they're playing the same sport with the same rules.

Just my opinion.
 
2020-08-27 3:09:58 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: What does ending the season accomplish?


It deprives the billionaire owners of their multi-billion dollar revenue stream, for one. It sends the message that if you want us to work for you, you have to work for us. The people at the top of these leagues seem to have huge political power when it comes to getting tax breaks, districts rezoned, and construction permits expedited. They manage to exert considerable power when it comes to legislation that benefits them, if not at the national level, then at least at the state and city levels. Well, time to put it to good use.
 
2020-08-27 3:13:58 PM  

The Negro Community: It deprives the billionaire owners of their multi-billion dollar revenue stream, for one.


And the players too, which is why they biatched out.
 
2020-08-27 3:22:56 PM  

Geotpf: TDWCom29: Geotpf: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: What does ending the season accomplish?

Absolutely nothing.

Granted, the protests overall are also almost as useless.

The only real change in these sorts of things is at the ballot box, and elections don't happen every day (IE, change is very, very slow).  In fact, it is possible that the whole protest situation is at the point where it is becoming counter-productive, increasing the chances of Trump winning, Republicans in general winning, and reforms in general failing.

This is sort of the unfortunate thing. They really should stop the protesting because, frankly, no one really is paying attention anymore in a positive way and all protestors really are now are targets. Targets for Trump to put into vans hoping people will riot over it, or now just literal targets. It's all PR, and while they had great PR a few months ago that's really worn off because, as usual, the bad guys have such a tremendous advantage in messaging

Yup.  I saw a sad Youtube video about a guy who ran the furniture store his parents started 50 years ago that was burned to the ground during the recent protests in Wisconsin.  Was his store burned down by BLM protestors, right wing counter protesters, or random assholes?  Who knows, and, politically, it doesn't matter.  If scared white people associate with this guy more than the black people getting shot, Trump wins.


So, what? We live in a country where we're already systematically excluded and hunted. What exactly is the threat here? "If you guys don't act right we're going to keep doing the things you're mad at us for doing!"

"If tensions get any worse, there's going to be an all out war!" - OK. You're ALREADY murdering us in the streets.

This argument is so stupid. We already exist on the bottom rung of society. Y'all stand to lose a lot more than we do in the continued escalation of violence.
 
2020-08-27 3:31:05 PM  

downstairs: JAGChem82: Honestly, they all might as well go on strike at this point.

Whomever wins or won the playoffs would have a big asterisk regarding their season. And it's not like there are fans in the stands anyway.

e.g., Who's going to brag about winning the 2020 WS in MLB? Even if the Cardinals were kicking ass in the league, a WS would be tainted and useless in a 60 game season.

On a sports level only, I disagree... I think the NBA championship will not have an asterisk.  It's a pretty complete season.  No one will really care that there were no fans in the stands.

Baseball has completely made a franken-season out of this (7-inning games, extra innings rules, 16 team playoffs... all of these things are very much not MLB)  They fundamentally changed the core of the game.

Do you feel the 1981 dodgers are an asterisk?  I don't.  Less games isn't fully relevant.  Not sure why even... just isn't.  As long as they're playing the same sport with the same rules.

Just my opinion.


The 7 inning doubleheaders aren't really that bothersome - in this scenario, you have to conserve your pitchers, as off days are very limited. I'll give MLB a pass for that in not wanting a bunch of pitchers getting Tommy Johned for 2021.

Everything else is a joke, the guy on 2nd after 9, 16 team playoffs, etc. I'm not too keen on the DH in the NL, but that's closer to a permanent reality in the near future, so I can absorb that.

On the 1981 Dodgers WS: A strike season will always have some issues, but you're right - the 1995 Braves won a (slightly) shortened season. The fundamentals of the sport didn't change, and they at least played every other team in their respective league.
 
2020-08-27 3:31:21 PM  

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