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(South China Morning Post)   Thanks 2020, now China is trying to start WW III like North Korea by firing two medium-range missiles into the South China Sea as a 'warning to US'   (scmp.com) divider line
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2020-08-26 4:27:04 PM  
19 votes:
They're mad we flew a drone over their war games.  Hope we collected some data, at least.
 
2020-08-26 6:40:31 PM  
15 votes:
Please stop China. If Trump thinks he can win an election by going to war with you he will.
 
2020-08-26 4:32:33 PM  
14 votes:
Can't give in on the South China Sea thing. Bad things happen over the next 100 years if we do.
 
2020-08-26 6:45:01 PM  
12 votes:

El_Dan: Seriously, Trump seems to love every other authoritarian regime, what is it about China that pisses him off? Does someone need to tell him more horror stories about what they're doing to Uyghurs or something?


They were the OK'd international racist boogeyman after ISIS was deemed too difficult to get good headlines out of. With China, it was a tariff here, a tariff there, and he could claim a win with his base. And even then, he was still bending over and getting us raped on worse deals to buy our agricultural/food exports.

Primarily he had to go on a war footing with them because they are his only quasi-but-not-really-legitimate scapegoat for his terrible COVID response.
 
2020-08-26 6:40:49 PM  
11 votes:

flucto: Can't give in on the South China Sea thing. Bad things happen over the next 100 years if we do.


The Spratly Islands would like a word.

As would Hong Kong.

Trump's derelection of duty to perform even basic US foreign policy has put us pretty much out of the global police business.  Just what Daddy Vladimir wanted.  And Trump's dumber than S cult followers.
 
2020-08-26 6:50:28 PM  
6 votes:

bitterfly2die: The false war between the US and Albania in "Wag the Dog" can be considered to be a pseudo-event. A pseudo-event is an occurrence that is planned out for the primary purpose of being reported on by the media. Examples of pseudo-events in political campaigns include press conferences, announcements of new policies and initiatives, and participation in ceremonial events. Pseudo-events are used by political candidates to capture media attention and gain a higher level of public support. Additionally, incumbent politicians are in a better position than non-incumbents to create pseudo-events. The war between the US and Albania in "Wag the Dog" can be considered to be an example of a pseudo-event because it was created by the President to distract public opinion from his potentially damaging scandal and to draw attention to himself as being a strong leader in a time of international crisis.


Another example: The 2020 RNC Convention is a pseudo-event.
 
2020-08-26 6:59:22 PM  
5 votes:
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Wanted for questioning.

/This film's shockingly relevant today.
 
2020-08-26 6:40:59 PM  
5 votes:
Seriously, Trump seems to love every other authoritarian regime, what is it about China that pisses him off? Does someone need to tell him more horror stories about what they're doing to Uyghurs or something?
 
2020-08-26 6:39:54 PM  
5 votes:
we can obliterate outdated longrange weapons surplusses in your direction too
 
2020-08-26 5:42:04 PM  
5 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: They're mad we flew a drone over their war games.  Hope we collected some data, at least.


We learned they don't like us flying drones over their war games, but they don't not like it enough to fire on the drone directly (Or they can't attack the drone directly).
 
2020-08-26 7:07:21 PM  
4 votes:

flucto: Can't give in on the South China Sea thing. Bad things happen over the next 100 years if we do.


In 2016, the International Court of Justice ruled in the case of Philippines v. China,that the PRC was in violation of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea in regard to its island building and claims. Of course, China ignored the ruling.

Guess which country hasn't ratified the UNCLOS.
 
2020-08-26 7:10:50 PM  
3 votes:
OOGABOOGAYELLOWPERILGYNA!
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OOGABOOGAYELLOWPERILGYNA!
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2020-08-26 7:02:12 PM  
3 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: They're mad we flew a drone over their war games.  Hope we collected some data, at least.


This is it. It's sabre rattling. It's the kind of stuff the US and Russia did for decades and continue to do.

China is...a wee bit sensitive about things in the Pacific. In some respects they have a right to be, they were absolutely abused by foreign nations entering by sea from for a hundred years with absolutely horrific results, and they don't want that to happen again. Currently they face the largest and most powerful navy in history that basically has their coastline surrounded in its entirety in every direction (they go North towards Korea, there's the US, they go North East, there's Japan and the US, they go East, there's Okinawa and Taiwan and the US, they go South there's the Phillipines and the US). Fair enough, I'd be unsettled by that as well in their shoes. Russia/USSR had a similar mindset during the Cold War, having faced multiple disastrous land invasions from the west over the span of a little over a century. From such a perspective, China's belligerence is understandable. They know they cannot defeat the US Navy, but want to show that they can dish out enough hurt to make people think twice.

In other respects, China is also trying to do to others what was done to them now that they're more or less back on their feet, and bully their neighbors and claim economic hegemony and extensive valuable resources, but don't like being called on it (though, neither does the US).

Ultimately however, nobody really wants a shooting war, and it's in nobody's real interests, but everyone wants to look tough and ready for one either way. Where it will end up? Who knows, but I don't think making it out like China is trying to start WW3 here is really accurate in any way.
 
2020-08-27 3:11:56 AM  
2 votes:

Warlordtrooper: zbtop: Marcus Aurelius: They're mad we flew a drone over their war games.  Hope we collected some data, at least.

This is it. It's sabre rattling. It's the kind of stuff the US and Russia did for decades and continue to do.

China is...a wee bit sensitive about things in the Pacific. In some respects they have a right to be, they were absolutely abused by foreign nations entering by sea from for a hundred years with absolutely horrific results, and they don't want that to happen again. Currently they face the largest and most powerful navy in history that basically has their coastline surrounded in its entirety in every direction (they go North towards Korea, there's the US, they go North East, there's Japan and the US, they go East, there's Okinawa and Taiwan and the US, they go South there's the Phillipines and the US). Fair enough, I'd be unsettled by that as well in their shoes. Russia/USSR had a similar mindset during the Cold War, having faced multiple disastrous land invasions from the west over the span of a little over a century. From such a perspective, China's belligerence is understandable. They know they cannot defeat the US Navy, but want to show that they can dish out enough hurt to make people think twice.

In other respects, China is also trying to do to others what was done to them now that they're more or less back on their feet, and bully their neighbors and claim economic hegemony and extensive valuable resources, but don't like being called on it (though, neither does the US).

Ultimately however, nobody really wants a shooting war, and it's in nobody's real interests, but everyone wants to look tough and ready for one either way. Where it will end up? Who knows, but I don't think making it out like China is trying to start WW3 here is really accurate in any way.

China decided it wanted ww3 when it decided to commit genocide. I feel like are ignoring that fact. Genocide is a legitimate reason to go tinto war


I'm assuming you're referring to the Uighurs? I absolutely won't defend what's happening to them, they're absolutely being oppressed and subjected to mass arrest and political repression, it's horseshiat and absolutely should not be happening in the modern world, but they're also not actively exterminated Auschwitz or Srebnica style. More importantly, I don't believe for a second that 99% of people deploying that argument are actually interested in the plight of a largely muslim central asian turkic people as anything other than something to wave about "china bad herpaderp" (and forget about the moment a conversation shifts to a topic other than China), particularly when there are situations that are actual open direct mass-killing genocides that nobody is remotely talking about going to war over (e.g. the Rohingya, the Darfuri, the Nuer, etc) where the military situation would be trivial by comparison for the US. I don't see anyone volunteering to join the military to go fight the Chinese for the sake of the Uighurs or making it a central political plank and petitioning their representatives over. Likewise, when the US imprisons at least as many people as China does if not more, and a larger proportion of our total population (particularly of ethnic minorities) than any other nation on the planet, and for longer average prison terms than almost any other nation, and in no small part for similarly bullshiat reasons (hurr durr they sold some weed), it's a wee bit disingenuous, and is a large part of *why* China has been able to get away with it by turning around and pointing to the domestic situation in the US to the rest of the world.
 
2020-08-26 9:16:38 PM  
2 votes:

Nick Nostril: zbtop: The last SR-71 flew in 1999, with the overwhelmingly vast majority of their operational flight hours completed by the late 80's, they flew very little in the 90's after being temporarily reactivated. For an aircraft that underwent as much stress as it did, I suspect that keeping them flying through into 2020 would not have been feasible.

(disclaimer: I have no idea if the following is true):  I'm assuming we already have shiat waaay better than the SR-71 flying right now.

/ again, no clue if true


In terms of an aircraft that can fly that fast and that high? We don't actually. Whether we need it or not, with dramatically expanded satellite networks, long-endurance high altitude drones like Globalhawk, etc, is perhaps another question, but there aren't any aircraft in service that can match or exceed the performance of the SR-71.

It's kinda like how we don't have any spacecraft that can go to the Moon anymore either. We could make something way better than Apollo, but no requirement has been presented and the old vehicles have long since been retired and ceased production.
 
2020-08-26 7:03:45 PM  
2 votes:

saturn badger: U-2 was spotted, they say. I'm thinking they shut down the SR-71 program too soon. Much harder to detect.


You do realize that the SR-71 was only shut down because they're like 2 generations of secret shiat beyond it by now, right?
 
2020-08-26 6:54:20 PM  
2 votes:

El_Dan: Seriously, Trump seems to love every other authoritarian regime, what is it about China that pisses him off? Does someone need to tell him more horror stories about what they're doing to Uyghurs or something?


Money. It's always money. We have/had a trade deficit. That means the US was losing money. He could not care less about any humans. Remember, people are transactions to him.

And if he doesn't care about the 180k+ dead Americans do you think he cares about them?
 
2020-08-26 6:53:04 PM  
2 votes:

Bootleg: Marcus Aurelius: They're mad we flew a drone over their war games.  Hope we collected some data, at least.

We learned they don't like us flying drones over their war games, but they don't not like it enough to fire on the drone directly (Or they can't attack the drone directly).


It was a (manned) U-2, so shooting that down would be a much bigger issue.
 
2020-08-26 6:51:57 PM  
2 votes:
Fark China, in the yin and out the yang, but...

in the Bohai Sea off its north coast.

How many farkers didn't read the article?
I'm guessing 64%
 
2020-08-26 6:48:40 PM  
2 votes:
The false war between the US and Albania in "Wag the Dog" can be considered to be a pseudo-event. A pseudo-event is an occurrence that is planned out for the primary purpose of being reported on by the media. Examples of pseudo-events in political campaigns include press conferences, announcements of new policies and initiatives, and participation in ceremonial events. Pseudo-events are used by political candidates to capture media attention and gain a higher level of public support. Additionally, incumbent politicians are in a better position than non-incumbents to create pseudo-events. The war between the US and Albania in "Wag the Dog" can be considered to be an example of a pseudo-event because it was created by the President to distract public opinion from his potentially damaging scandal and to draw attention to himself as being a strong leader in a time of international crisis.
 
2020-08-26 7:26:09 PM  
1 vote:

g.fro: BigNumber12: Bootleg: Marcus Aurelius: They're mad we flew a drone over their war games.  Hope we collected some data, at least.

We learned they don't like us flying drones over their war games, but they don't not like it enough to fire on the drone directly (Or they can't attack the drone directly).

It was a (manned) U-2, so shooting that down would be a much bigger issue.

Like ramming a P-3?


But moreso!
 
2020-08-26 7:07:36 PM  
1 vote:
ThanksTrump
 
2020-08-26 6:57:59 PM  
1 vote:
maybe we need to start shooting at that body of water as well. It seems to be a trouble maker.
 
2020-08-26 6:53:00 PM  
1 vote:

saturn badger: U-2 was spotted, they say. I'm thinking they shut down the SR-71 program too soon. Much harder to detect.


Look, I'm just as annoyed as anyone that Songs of Innocence was automatically on my iPhone but that's no reason to launch some missiles. Especially because that happened in 2014.
 
2020-08-26 6:44:11 PM  
1 vote:
U-2 was spotted, they say. I'm thinking they shut down the SR-71 program too soon. Much harder to detect.
 
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