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(Slate)   Can I dump old friends because they've gone full Republican? Sure, to make it even easier: think of it like a work-at-will state   (slate.com) divider line
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2020-08-25 3:06:21 PM  
83 votes:
It is your obligation to do so.
 
2020-08-25 3:46:26 PM  
82 votes:
Yep. I dumped an entire family. Feels great, actually.
 
2020-08-25 4:31:18 PM  
57 votes:
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2020-08-25 4:27:20 PM  
46 votes:
Conservative?  No.

Trumpers?  Hell, yes.

There's nothing conservative about Trumpism.
 
2020-08-25 3:15:49 PM  
44 votes:
 Not all conservatives are jerks. My ex GF (more like a common law wife) is a Republican and she DESPISES Trump. And not in the Susan Collins way. Despite me being a political junkie we didn't argue about politics much. It was understood that I was a raging liberal and that she voted for George W Bush.

We are very close friends to this day. She even flies up here at least once a year and we have a blast. But here's the thing: she isn't racist, a corona hoaxer, a maskless "mah rights!" or any of that trash that seems amplified these days. She's a wonderful girl, is all. Just happens to be a Republican. I think she's deluding herself but it's really none of my business unless she brings it up.

BUT: If your so-called friends are talking Trump-style crap, then yes, ditch them. It's a poison I'll have no part of. I can't be around it even online, much less in person.
 
2020-08-25 4:11:19 PM  
41 votes:
My good friends' politics are pretty close to mine. My casual friends, theirs are all over the map. The saddest part of the Trump era has been finding out just how racist some of them are. It never came out before.
 
2020-08-25 4:39:20 PM  
38 votes:
True story:

I'm thinking of having an addition put on my garage to build a workshop. Someone down the road is having the exact same thing done right now. I don't know them, but was going to stop and say "hey, who are you using, what restrictions are there, etc." Driving by one day I saw a Trump 2020 sign in their yard and thought "nah, I'll just call around to contractors". I hate that I made that decision based on that. But this is so far beyond just "party politics" at this point. If it was ONLY "politics", it'd be fine. We can disagree all day. But the conspiracies and threats and lies and stoking the flames of fear... it's all just too much. I don't want anything to do with someone who supports that. Which, now that I think about it, will make it hard to find a contractor.
 
2020-08-25 4:27:56 PM  
37 votes:
Yeah you can.

At this point anyone still in favor of Trump is not worth a second of my spare time.
 
2020-08-25 4:38:47 PM  
33 votes:

Saiga410: Do whatever you want but it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.  About the only thing that I will cut off friends are drugs.  I dont mind if you do them but if you start in a full on addiction spiral and you do not listen to everyone trying to help you... well you are not bringing me down with you.  Have only done that twice.  They finally bounced from bottom and we talk years later.


Democrat: I'm a minority.
Republican: You belong in a cage.
Independent: Silly libs should really take a chance to have their ideology questioned.
 
2020-08-25 5:14:23 PM  
32 votes:

cocozilla: Saiga410: Do whatever you want but it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

This is not like disagreeing over a movie or NYC pizza vs whatever that thing they call pizza in Chicago. These are lives. This is safety. This is corruption. This is fascism .  These are people who , in another time, would be cheering Mussolini or Hitler. These are dangerously ignorant people who have surrendered their humanity and , to quote rod Serling..."These men decided to turn the Earth into a graveyard. Into it they shoveled all of their reason, their logic, their knowledge, but worse of all, their conscience. "


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2020-08-25 4:53:08 PM  
32 votes:

drewogatory: I have no idea what my friend's politics are. It's just not a subject I ever discuss, because I have zero interest. People can believe whatever stupid shiat they want, I'm not an educator.


Translation: I live in such a place and position of privilege that my friends politics, and politics in general is of no concern to me, I know I'll always be ok, and I don't care about anyone who isn't. They aren't people unless I know them personally and they somehow matter to me.
 
2020-08-25 4:45:14 PM  
31 votes:
I did not agree with Bush supporters (either) and we occasionally had words but it didn't end any friendships.

And as an old dude I know all kinds of reagan worshippers and we co-existed just fine. They seem to have vanished at this point but there used to be legions of them.

Trump is different - if you openly support him at this point we're just done. There's no common ground what with you openly signaling you have no human decency and all.
 
2020-08-25 4:44:44 PM  
28 votes:

g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

Prescriptivists are funny, and stupid.

So are people who make up words.

Try to be better than them.


All words are made up.
 
2020-08-25 4:43:39 PM  
27 votes:

RobotSpider: True story:

I'm thinking of having an addition put on my garage to build a workshop. Someone down the road is having the exact same thing done right now. I don't know them, but was going to stop and say "hey, who are you using, what restrictions are there, etc." Driving by one day I saw a Trump 2020 sign in their yard and thought "nah, I'll just call around to contractors". I hate that I made that decision based on that. But this is so far beyond just "party politics" at this point. If it was ONLY "politics", it'd be fine. We can disagree all day. But the conspiracies and threats and lies and stoking the flames of fear... it's all just too much. I don't want anything to do with someone who supports that. Which, now that I think about it, will make it hard to find a contractor.


To me, this means "this person falls for stupid transparent scams and is emotionally driven" so I'm not going to let them help me select a contractor. Smart, IMO
 
2020-08-25 4:43:46 PM  
26 votes:
I cant take people seriously when they say we need to reach out Republicans. Their brains are gone. You'd have better luck deprogramming North Koreans.

There's a line when political opinions become unacceptable. Many people now hold the opinion that Trump and the Republican party left that line so far in the rearview that they can't even see it now. What do you do at that point? You can't negotiate with people like that. You can't engage in civil discourse with people that hold "deplorable" and disgusting views that most of the time ignore reality.  

Supporters of trump are terrified of losing their advantaged place in the world so they support policy that victimizes others. They find comfort thinking somebody else is getting farked worse.

It's on them to bring something else to the table. Something better. Until that day they are dead to me.
 
2020-08-25 4:38:21 PM  
24 votes:

Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.


What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?
 
2020-08-25 4:28:21 PM  
24 votes:

PunGent: Conservative?  No.

Trumpers?  Hell, yes.

There's nothing conservative about Trumpism.


They're completely the same.
 
2020-08-25 5:05:57 PM  
23 votes:

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: There is no coming back. 

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Jesus Christ.

People think I and others are engaging in hyperbole when we refer to this as a cult.

We're not.

But there is no need to tell you that. Looks like you're living it. Ugh.
 
2020-08-25 4:36:44 PM  
23 votes:

edmo: My good friends' politics are pretty close to mine. My casual friends, theirs are all over the map. The saddest part of the Trump era has been finding out just how racist some of them are. It never came out before.


The one good thing about the rise of Trump has been the unmasking.
 
2020-08-25 5:05:36 PM  
22 votes:

Minus1Kelvin: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: Some people have gone full Tribal. They can never be brought back. Ever. 

This is something we have to accept. I've lost family. No amount of facts will bring my family back from this. 

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Have you called them cultists? I fear I may eventually let that one slip and I'd like to know how it will be received.


It doesn't matter, cognitive dissonance is a sweet sweet Drug to people like this now. 

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They can not be saved, or changed. It is too late for many now.
 
2020-08-25 4:58:23 PM  
22 votes:
Some people have gone full Tribal. They can never be brought back. Ever. 

This is something we have to accept. I've lost family. No amount of facts will bring my family back from this. 

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2020-08-25 4:31:39 PM  
22 votes:
Worked for me. An old girlfriend/friend went nutzoid. Voted for the dickweed because she believes that Soros is an actual Nazi who would've had Hillary start concentration camps. She didn't listen to me, an actual Jew, who knows better than her about such things.
Haven't spoken to her in almost 4 years. A little curious if she's learned anything since then. But I certainly don't lose any sleep over it.
 
2020-08-25 4:32:02 PM  
21 votes:

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: It is your obligation to do so.


Done in one.

If you don't dump them, then you reinforce to their empathy-devoid, toddler-level brains that their behavior is a good thing.
 
2020-08-25 5:02:34 PM  
20 votes:

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: There is no coming back. 

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Oooooooof.
 
2020-08-25 4:42:06 PM  
20 votes:
Maybe you'll get lucky and won't have to dump them at all: One of the Trumpers in my parents' friend circle (who I grew up fearing and hating) dropped dead of Covid. It felt wonderful.
 
2020-08-25 4:40:32 PM  
20 votes:
I did. I see this as a requirement now.

One was a FB friend. I deleted him and told him why. He was not happy when I told him I didn't want my name associated with him in his friends group. He got really really upset when I called him a snowflake. That appears to be a major trigger with them.

Sucks to be him. I never looked back.
 
2020-08-25 4:48:17 PM  
18 votes:

g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

Prescriptivists are funny, and stupid.

So are people who make up words.

Try to be better than them.

All words are made up.

Wow, you're just so clever. So has your junior high started classes again yet?

By the way, don't be surprised when no one takes you seriously in the future. I tried to help you, but if you want to signal to others that you are as gullible as the people in red-hats, that's up to you.


Actually, I have an advanced degree in the topic.

But, y'know, you can keep hiding your head in the sand while culture and therefore language continue to change around you.
 
2020-08-25 4:46:10 PM  
18 votes:

Resin33: My husband, our 10-year old daughter, and I are all progressive liberals.

Oh fark off.


What, you don't think 10 year old kids have an opinion? I can assure you they do, and it might be a little more nuanced than you think.

Sure, like religion, it's a lot of "I believe what Mommy and Daddy believe", but every now and then they'll hit you with some stuff that just makes you go "wow, you're paying more attention than I gave you credit for."
 
2020-08-25 4:41:10 PM  
18 votes:

g.fro: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.


Prescriptivists are funny, and stupid.
 
2020-08-25 4:36:40 PM  
18 votes:

Combustion: Yep. I dumped an entire family. Feels great, actually.


CSB

A couple years ago went to a fiend's wedding.  Another friend and his wife were invited too because, we were all friends at one point and the newlyweds bought a house a few blocks away from them. The 'what was at one time 2 people in our friends circle that we knew were very republican leaning' slid way way down into Trumperville. No one sat by them. No one really talked to them besides a 'hi'. Just shunned from most of us.

The Trumper couple left not long after dinner. The rest of us had a fun night of drinkin' and dancing celebrating the newlyweds.

I haven't been in contact with the ex-friends since. Very freeing. I don't think anyone else does anymore.

/CSB
 
2020-08-25 5:07:55 PM  
17 votes:

Saiga410: Do whatever you want but it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.


This is not like disagreeing over a movie or NYC pizza vs whatever that thing they call pizza in Chicago. These are lives. This is safety. This is corruption. This is fascism .  These are people who , in another time, would be cheering Mussolini or Hitler. These are dangerously ignorant people who have surrendered their humanity and , to quote rod Serling..."These men decided to turn the Earth into a graveyard. Into it they shoveled all of their reason, their logic, their knowledge, but worse of all, their conscience. "
 
2020-08-25 4:50:52 PM  
17 votes:

g.fro: I tried to help you, but if you want to signal to others that you are as gullible as the people in red-hats, that's up to you.


Also. Hey guys. I found the never Trumper republican in the thread.

Using language that is respectful to people = Gullibility.

Okay, karen.
 
2020-08-25 4:43:19 PM  
17 votes:
People trying to normalize the deaths of thousands of Americans aren't your friends, dear.
 
2020-08-25 4:39:08 PM  
17 votes:
When people dismiss the pain , danger, and deaths of others and are science denying dangers...I dropped them like a lump of lava.
 
2020-08-25 5:20:03 PM  
16 votes:

g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

Prescriptivists are funny, and stupid.

So are people who make up words.

Try to be better than them.

All words are made up.

Wow, you're just so clever. So has your junior high started classes again yet?

By the way, don't be surprised when no one takes you seriously in the future. I tried to help you, but if you want to signal to others that you are as gullible as the people in red-hats, that's up to you.


You know what? I'm Latina. I detest the word "Latinx." I didn't say anything because the person you responded to is clearly on my side in a supportive way and I don't want to be an asshole about things that don't really matter in this context. You're just being confrontational for no good reason. If you think you're striking a blow for anyone or anything, you're not. This is just extremely off-putting

It doesn't matter, that's not what this thread is about. Let it go.
 
2020-08-25 5:03:21 PM  
16 votes:

Saiga410: Do whatever you want but it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.  About the only thing that I will cut off friends are drugs.  I dont mind if you do them but if you start in a full on addiction spiral and you do not listen to everyone trying to help you... well you are not bringing me down with you.  Have only done that twice.  They finally bounced from bottom and we talk years later.


It's got nothing to do with ideology. Donald Trump doesn't have an ideology. He has no guiding politics or principles. If in 2020 someone still stands with him, they are doing so solely because he sticks his thumb in the eye of decency. They're doing so because he pisses people off and they delight in that. They're doing so knowing he's inept, self-interested, corrupt, and unfit leader, but they don't care because he makes the right people mad. They're doing so because he hates the right people.

There are no causes they can rally around other than "he sticks it to the immigrants" (aka screw brown people) and "he lowered my taxes" (aka I got mine, so fark you). That's it. He doesn't stand for anything but Donald Trump.

There is no more pretending otherwise. While this was all predictable, he's made this unquestionable. The only way to not see it is to make a CHOICE not to see it.

It's not about ideology.

It's about not supporting a malignant, sociopathic narcissist who destroys everything he touches and seeks to dismantle the very institutions that hold the country together. He's not merely some politician people disagree with. It's far worse than that.

I have no qualms about being close to those I disagree with. It's good and healthy. This isn't that.

Suggesting it's about ideology makes it seem like you're utterly blind to all of this.
 
2020-08-25 4:51:55 PM  
16 votes:
I lost friends 2016 when I made clear that I have zero respect for anyone who plans to vote for Trump, do not and will not respect their choice, and will think less of anyone who does it.

At that time, it was their choice to sever connections. Several did. I was and remain okay with that.

This time around, it's been my choice..

While I think you'd had to have been blind and stupid to vote for him in 2016, I know some people don't pay attention to politics at all and go for surface only. They knew his name, almost nothing else, and voted blind. I don't respect that and think people like that farked the country, but fine. People I knew who weren't politically engaged in 2016, I just waited to see if they'd learn.

Now, after four years and it now being clearer than ever what he is?

Nope, will not be friends with an open Trump supporter. Won't do it.
 
2020-08-25 4:40:45 PM  
16 votes:

Zeb Hesselgresser: You should repay the money you owe them first, they'll probably even forgive some to be rid of you.


It's cute when Republicans believe they're temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
 
2020-08-25 5:19:19 PM  
15 votes:
Friends? I dumped my mother over her love of all things Trump. Over her love of his every tweet, over her beratement of my wife's support of BLM on Facebook. Over her thinking black people have had it easy since the 1960s. Over her volunteering to take her gun down to the protests to help the cops out. Over her doubt of Obama's and Kamala's heritage. Over her absolute love of all things related to Stickin it to the Libs. fark her.
 
2020-08-25 5:02:46 PM  
15 votes:

g.fro: Oh, so you're one of those over-educated white people who gets to tell others how their culture (and apparently language as well) is wrong


You're the one who told me my language was wrong. And am I in middle school or over-educated? Your trolling comes off as milquetoast when it's not even intellectually consistent.
 
2020-08-25 4:47:04 PM  
15 votes:

Saiga410: Do whatever you want but it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.  About the only thing that I will cut off friends are drugs.  I dont mind if you do them but if you start in a full on addiction spiral and you do not listen to everyone trying to help you... well you are not bringing me down with you.  Have only done that twice.  They finally bounced from bottom and we talk years later.


The guy defending Proud Boys is going to tell the rest of us how to handle having our ideologies questioned, everyone.

Feel free to mock the everloving fark out of this waste of time.
 
2020-08-25 4:27:54 PM  
15 votes:
Yes, how have you not done so already?
 
2020-08-25 5:19:42 PM  
14 votes:

drewogatory: I have no idea what my friend's politics are. It's just not a subject I ever discuss, because I have zero interest. People can believe whatever stupid shiat they want, I'm not an educator.



People can believe a lot of stupid shiat, but there are certain 'politics' that are non-negotiable.

Once their 'political beliefs' start translating into a full on hard-on for nazism/whatever ideologies and it is obvious that you obviously don't consider your fellow humans equals, it becomes absolutely impossible to think of you as a half-way decent human being, and that's it.

Unless you actively distance yourself from that crap I'm not going to choose to hang out with you.

And before you call that hypocritical, remember this:
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2020-08-25 5:11:50 PM  
14 votes:

shoegaze99: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: There is no coming back. 

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Jesus Christ.

People think I and others are engaging in hyperbole when we refer to this as a cult.

We're not.

But there is no need to tell you that. Looks like you're living it. Ugh.


The accusations of hyperbole are something of an admission of guilt. When conservatives try to dismiss liberal anger as hyperbolic they usually imply "hey, we made up all sorts of crap to be mad at Obama about that wasn't real. Remember when we pretended to be so mad when he golfed? It's clear you guys are doing the same thing. Both sides, am I right?"

But they can't understand that the left and right aren't the same and the left hasn't normalized the fatalistic loyalty the right has. So the right is far more free to simply lie to people because even if their supporters know they are lying, know they are being stolen from, know they are being taken advantage of, if it's from someone on their side they gladly accept it.
 
2020-08-25 5:05:45 PM  
14 votes:

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: There is no coming back. 

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The blatant misogyny toward AOC is particularly repelling, though not surprising.
And I just took a closer look at the monkey statue, JFC.
 
2020-08-25 4:57:09 PM  
14 votes:
From the article, the letter-writer is Asian and the "friend" has repeatedly said racist things about Asian people.

So from my perspective the question of whether she should dump a friend due to politics is a moot issue - the woman is not her friend.
 
2020-08-25 4:47:16 PM  
14 votes:

Saiga410: Do whatever you want but it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.  About the only thing that I will cut off friends are drugs.  I dont mind if you do them but if you start in a full on addiction spiral and you do not listen to everyone trying to help you... well you are not bringing me down with you.  Have only done that twice.  They finally bounced from bottom and we talk years later.


Is "LGBT people should not be treated like second class citizens" an "ideology"? Because I'm perfectly happy removing people from my life that question that.
 
2020-08-25 4:34:36 PM  
14 votes:
As someone who significantly distanced himself from his entire family after they went deep into Tea Party territory over a decade ago (I still keep in touch because they're my family, but way, way less often), yeah. Friends come and go all the time for simpler reasons than that.

That's the thing about friendship, you have to enjoy being around each other, or you're just uncomfortable acquaintances. It's hard for a lot of us to meet new people, and I get that, but sometimes you have to just decide to get to know new folks and allow yourself to drift away from those who've stopped being enjoyable to be around. That doesn't necessarily mean you have to completely disown them, there's plenty of people I still enjoy the company of, even if we disagree from time to time, but I refuse to devote time to someone who's become completely antithetical to my values.
 
2020-08-25 4:31:35 PM  
14 votes:

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: PunGent: Conservative?  No.

Trumpers?  Hell, yes.

There's nothing conservative about Trumpism.

They're completely the same.


Conservatives and Trumpers are the same thing. Trumpism is the logical and expected extension of modern-day conservatism.

If a conservative doesn't support Trump, then he is a right-leaning independent.
 
2020-08-25 5:27:08 PM  
13 votes:
I lost contact with all of them when I left Facebook.   The friends I have that stay in touch with the Trumpers are now hooked on the Facebook misery cycle of outrage and arguement.  I told them my tome is worth more than that.

I've also told them that if they invite Trumpers then I will offer no quarter.  I sat back for close to a decadej having to hear about "birth cercificets " and "soshalism" and "Kenyan usurper", while people told me "Jist be quiet and they'll get over it".  Well, look where the f*ck that got us.  I don't want to know these people, and I'm embarrassed for them, and if my friends won't help me avoid their idiocy then I sure as hell won't tolerate it anymore.
 
2020-08-25 5:04:01 PM  
13 votes:

drewogatory: I have no idea what my friend's politics are. It's just not a subject I ever discuss, because I have zero interest. People can believe whatever stupid shiat they want, I'm not an educator.


You also apparently don't care if you inadvertently associate with fascists.
 
2020-08-25 4:57:16 PM  
13 votes:
Before the GOP really started to go off the rails blatantly crazy during the Obama years I would say you are being a dick for dumping your friends due to political beliefs.

Now, after everything we have seen if there is anyone who is  a devout supporter of what Trump is trying to do then you can by all means delete them from your life.

Life is already difficult enough without having to placate members of a death cult.
 
2020-08-25 4:53:57 PM  
13 votes:

gunga galunga: OrionXVI: gunga galunga: I dumped them all.

All that's left is my mother and my brother. I can't dump them.

Fortunately, they know not to bring up Trump while I am around.

Brothers you can.  I've had to (2 in my case; they've gone full banjo).  Mothers may be harder to dump.

Last time my brother and I discussed politics was before Trump. He took issue with my Facebook page (which I have since quit, for good) and called me up to tell me that I was letting the liberal media tell me what to think. I gave it back to him with both barrels saying that I found that insulting that the implication was that I was too stupid to form my own thoughts or ideas. Also adding, "and by the way, what are your farking unimpeachable sources of information". Since the answer to that question would have been Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, he changed the subject and we've never discussed politics since.

However, I do know from my brother-in-law, whose mother is Facebook friends with my brother's wife, that my brother got a Donald Trump birthday cake for his 50th.

He would have given me no end of shiat if I were ever to have gotten a Obama or a Hillary Clinton birthday cake, and he'd be right to do so. But as long as he is not bringing up politics, neither will I.


You should bring up the birthday cake every year from now on. What is he, five? How farking pathetic, even if Trump wasn't a vile pack of pus.
 
2020-08-25 4:45:51 PM  
13 votes:

edmo: My good friends' politics are pretty close to mine. My casual friends, theirs are all over the map. The saddest part of the Trump era has been finding out just how racist some of them are. It never came out before.


Yup.

Won't speak to several people that I know because of their now-blatant racism. They asked me why, and I called them out on their racist BS. They looked at me and claimed that those were just facts, and that they're not at all racist.

Sigh.

Sometimes I am so blind . . .
 
2020-08-25 4:27:55 PM  
13 votes:
Difficulty:  Parents are Trumpists
 
2020-08-25 5:41:42 PM  
12 votes:

shoegaze99: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: There is no coming back. 

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Jesus Christ.

People think I and others are engaging in hyperbole when we refer to this as a cult.

We're not.

But there is no need to tell you that. Looks like you're living it. Ugh.


Actual conversation with my 14 y/o daughter last week:

Her: Why do Trump people have so many t-shirts and swag and stuff? You don't see Biden fans doing that!

Me: Well, dear heart, it's because Trumpkinism is a cult, and the swag helps muffle the cognitive dissonance, especially if it's a quality cotton with a respectable thread count.

Her: Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought, I was just checking.
 
2020-08-25 5:35:57 PM  
12 votes:

drewogatory: I've always,always voted third party


Knew you were an asshole, and you went and confirmed it.
 
2020-08-25 5:10:52 PM  
12 votes:

White_Scarf_Syndrome: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

About as much as people should tolerate "Latinx"


So... using respectful language to describe people is just as bad as putting children in cages?

You seem to have a... rather big truncation problem in your priorities.
 
2020-08-25 5:01:03 PM  
12 votes:
There is no coming back. 

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2020-08-25 4:30:09 PM  
12 votes:
Whaddaya mean, "can you"? You haven't yet?

When people demonstrate that they're garbage, it shouldn't be a question. DTMFA
 
2020-08-25 7:25:30 PM  
11 votes:

g.fro: LrdPhoenix: g.fro: Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

5 out of 6 dictionaries I just checked disagree with you.

Check a dictionary more than a few years old.


Now that's real desperation. "Don't try to look at modern dictionaries. Those are fake news!"
 
2020-08-25 5:24:51 PM  
11 votes:

drewogatory: I have no idea what my friend's politics are. It's just not a subject I ever discuss, because I have zero interest. People can believe whatever stupid shiat they want, I'm not an educator.


You still have to live in the world they create.
 
2020-08-25 5:12:44 PM  
11 votes:
For those curious, the picture of the shrine wall is from the grandmothers house, Who until a few years ago, was a NY born, moved to FL Democrat.

That was until the Fox nation attacked. 

My Mother built the shrine for her, and helped her decorate with those oh so lovely other things. 

You'll note in the first picture, Grandpa's flag is at the bottom, it has been on the mantel for decades until my mother got her hands on it for the TRUMPINFURER Shrine. 

Then his flag went to the bottom, surrounded by Icons of a man who never served..

In the later picture, the clear one you see, its up higher now, as I lost my shiat one year and brought that subject up (Grandpa was a lifelong Democrat) 

Now its a little higher up on the shrine, still surrounded by Trump Icons. 

I haven't been back to visit my mother or grandmother in over a year and changed, The most contact Ive had was to mail them some masks.
 
2020-08-25 4:38:17 PM  
11 votes:
My husband, our 10-year old daughter, and I are all progressive liberals.

Oh fark off.
 
2020-08-25 4:33:15 PM  
11 votes:
Conservatism died when Eisenhower left the White House.
 
2020-08-25 5:42:16 PM  
10 votes:

drewogatory: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: I've always,always voted third party

Knew you were an asshole, and you went and confirmed it.

I'm an asshole for voting third party in California? I mean, every election is a Dem (hell, there's usually not even a Republican on the ticket for statewide elections) landslide, I'm happy to vote Green Party or whatever. It literally makes no difference. I did usually vote for Jerry Brown because I respect his work ethic though.


You know why you are a horrible person. You already told everyone in the thread.
 
2020-08-25 5:37:19 PM  
10 votes:

Kangaroo_Ralph: I hope you'll block me then. A lot of other farkers also stick their heads in the sand, and if they have to come up for air, they close their eyes, stick their fingers in their ears, and scream LALALALALA as loudly as they can to drown it out. I hope it helps.


Don't you get it? A lot of us need people like you to treat like a chew toy as a proxy for people we actually care about.

It's hard to cut friends and family out of your life. It's painful. There's a sense of loss. And even if we haven't fully cut them out, A LOT of us are greatly reducing interactions.

And then here's a useful idiot who comes around spitting the same garbage, with middle finger extended and that mean, smug smile, and we get to unleash on you.

When you choose idiocy- and make no mistake, that's what you've done- you get to be subject of vitriol. And we hope it hurts. After all, you know what you people say about feelings...
 
2020-08-25 5:18:26 PM  
10 votes:
It's gone beyond politics.

If you can't acknowledge facts and be decent human being I don't want you around.

/it's not that I don't want you to eat, you're just not eating at my table.
 
2020-08-25 4:30:42 PM  
10 votes:
Better question.  Are they really friends it they're Trumpers?
 
2020-08-25 5:35:51 PM  
9 votes:

born_yesterday: fiddlehead: Saiga410: Do whatever you want but it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.  About the only thing that I will cut off friends are drugs.  I dont mind if you do them but if you start in a full on addiction spiral and you do not listen to everyone trying to help you... well you are not bringing me down with you.  Have only done that twice.  They finally bounced from bottom and we talk years later.

Is "LGBT people should not be treated like second class citizens" an "ideology"? Because I'm perfectly happy removing people from my life that question that.

Can we add "Black people shouldnt be murdered by police?"  I know, I'm a radical.


Hell, this country is still fiercely fighting over "Women should have bodily autonomy."
 
2020-08-25 5:17:10 PM  
9 votes:

Saiga410: Do whatever you want but it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.  About the only thing that I will cut off friends are drugs.  I dont mind if you do them but if you start in a full on addiction spiral and you do not listen to everyone trying to help you... well you are not bringing me down with you.  Have only done that twice.  They finally bounced from bottom and we talk years later.


I don't hang out with thieves, murderers, or rapists.  Why should I hang out republicans?
 
2020-08-25 5:08:32 PM  
9 votes:
You can not reason with cult members.  Only they can leave the cult.
 
2020-08-25 5:07:25 PM  
9 votes:

shoegaze99: It's got nothing to do with ideology. Donald Trump doesn't have an ideology. He has no guiding politics or principles.


Its not an ideology, but we have been able to sus out the rules. 

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2020-08-25 4:55:33 PM  
9 votes:
Pro-Trump is Anti-Me (and a whole lotta others), so yes.
 
2020-08-25 4:54:55 PM  
9 votes:

Saiga410: Do whatever you want but it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.


It has nothing to do with my ideology being "questioned,"and EVERYTHING to with the fact that Trump is an inveterate c*nt.

If you support him, YOU'RE a c*nt as well, and who would voluntarily be friends with that?
 
2020-08-25 4:50:33 PM  
9 votes:

OrionXVI: gunga galunga: I dumped them all.

All that's left is my mother and my brother. I can't dump them.

Fortunately, they know not to bring up Trump while I am around.

Brothers you can.  I've had to (2 in my case; they've gone full banjo).  Mothers may be harder to dump.


Last time my brother and I discussed politics was before Trump. He took issue with my Facebook page (which I have since quit, for good) and called me up to tell me that I was letting the liberal media tell me what to think. I gave it back to him with both barrels saying that I found that insulting that the implication was that I was too stupid to form my own thoughts or ideas. Also adding, "and by the way, what are your farking unimpeachable sources of information". Since the answer to that question would have been Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, he changed the subject and we've never discussed politics since.

However, I do know from my brother-in-law, whose mother is Facebook friends with my brother's wife, that my brother got a Donald Trump birthday cake for his 50th.

He would have given me no end of shiat if I were ever to have gotten a Obama or a Hillary Clinton birthday cake, and he'd be right to do so. But as long as he is not bringing up politics, neither will I.
 
2020-08-25 4:41:25 PM  
9 votes:
I have one friend who's an oddball conservative (he liked and wanted Ted Cruz to win 2016).  He doesn't bring up politics normally and is very pro-masking and social distancing.

I had another who was a mild libertarian that went off the slippery slope after Trump won and started regurgitating Breitbart, Fox, you name it.  He unfriended me on Facebook after I called him out on his bullshiat.

/he tried sending a friend request a year later, I happily deleted it.
//I never friended my aunts as they're all evangelical whack jobs.  Other half did though so they can see pictures/updates on our little one
///I've told her to go ahead and block them but she doesn't want to cut my family out entirely
 
2020-08-25 4:35:41 PM  
9 votes:
Republicans are Nazis. I wouldn't want to be associated with either of them, and the sooner they disavow that shiat, the better.
 
2020-08-25 7:25:26 PM  
8 votes:

g.fro: LrdPhoenix: g.fro: Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

5 out of 6 dictionaries I just checked disagree with you.

Check a dictionary more than a few years old.


Are you just not at all aware of the point of dictionaries?
 
2020-08-25 5:28:49 PM  
8 votes:

gunga galunga: I dumped them all.

All that's left is my mother and my brother. I can't dump them.

Fortunately, they know not to bring up Trump while I am around.


Funny. My mother and brother were the very first right wing whack job pieces of shiat I dumped.
 
2020-08-25 5:28:46 PM  
8 votes:
"Using the term 'Latinx' makes you JUST AS BAD AS UNREPENTANT BIGOTS."

Dial it back guys, your bait is funking up the thread.
 
2020-08-25 5:21:54 PM  
8 votes:
I went no-contact with my very Republican, very Baptist family last year. Not because of Trump, but because of a lot of other shiat that just happens to coincide with being awful people, which just happens to coincide with Trumpkins.

If I'm ever tempted to extend an olive branch or what have you, I just remember that they were die-hard Trumpkins as late as November of last year, and even though I haven't spoken to any of them recently, I would bet every dollar I have that they still are. And it settles that internal debate right away. Easiest decision ever.
 
2020-08-25 5:02:36 PM  
8 votes:

odinsposse: Porous Horace: Pro-Trump is Anti-Me (and a whole lotta others), so yes.

Yeah, but isn't it your own fault for being one of the many groups of people that Republicans clearly want to eliminate? Just be cool and meet them halfway by only existing a little bit.


Any amount seems too much.

They're also against many things which I consider good in general.
They are on the wrong side of right.
 
2020-08-26 5:32:01 AM  
7 votes:
If you want me to be your friend, you have to be MY friend too.

And if I can end an abusive marriage, I can sure as hell kick your ignernt ass out of my life.
 
2020-08-25 9:47:47 PM  
7 votes:

flondrix: I have heard way too many new alternative pronouns invented by English speaking people who clearly do not understand that once they venture beyond English, a new gender pronoun means also devising versions of that pronoun, along with definite and indefinite articles, for every grammatical case (and there may be a lot of them), new conjugations for every verb, etc., and revising an entire nation's textbooks accordingly.  Inventing new gender pronouns as if it were no big deal shows that one is unaware of one's Anglocentric privilege, much like the people who can't understand why other folks don't just co-operate with the police and everything will be fine.


Wow.  Did you really just called transgender and nonbinary people privileged because they ... used their own language to find new ways to describe themselves?  Go fark yourself.
 
2020-08-25 7:49:55 PM  
7 votes:

g.fro: ...objecting to one word for the thread to get totally derailed. Is that worth it? Is that how you want to manage a political discussion?

And the whole silly thing could become avoided by just using the word "Latin".


What a cowardly attempt to bail out. It's everyone else's fault that you objected to a phrase and then got embarrassed on how little you knew about how language worked? At least own up to your loss like an adult.
 
2020-08-25 7:49:28 PM  
7 votes:

g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: LrdPhoenix: g.fro: Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

5 out of 6 dictionaries I just checked disagree with you.

Check a dictionary more than a few years old.

Are you just not at all aware of the point of dictionaries?

I was trying not to reply to you.

I reject whatever you want to call your philosophy that words which are artificially created are as cromulent as words which evolve naturally.

All words, once again, are artificially created. People find a thing they need to describ, and people create a word for it. That is how language works.

Yes. It even happens when a word already exists for a thing. We have a word for that too, and it doesn't make anything not-a-word.

You might want to look up "natural language". Your "all words are made up" is stupid and childish.

*eyeroll*

"Natural language" doesn't mean "no made up words," you insufferable dolt. It means the language as a whole was created not by specific intent but by the spread of created or borrowed words.

You know "1984" wasn't a how to manual, right?

You know you should read the things you are furiously googling to try to make yourself feel better, right?

So, tell me, what are you trying to accomplish? I had left the discussion, but you had to drag me back. Do you think you are going to change my mind regarding your newspeak? Or can you just not stand the idea that someone, somewhere might not agree with your orthodoxy?

Look at this thread. It wasn't about one word or language in general. You were trying to make a completely unrelated political point. And I know you won't believe me, and probably even accuse me of lying, but I actually agree with the point you were making. But all it took was my simple objectingvto one word


Dude - You attacked me for using a term you didn't like, and then proceeded to attack me for attacking you for using a term I didn't like. You could have just apologized after getting duly shown your ass.

You still can, and if you agreed with my point, you could have always shut the fark about your improperly constructed semantic point and saved yourself looking so idiotic.
 
2020-08-25 7:40:44 PM  
7 votes:

g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: LrdPhoenix: g.fro: Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

5 out of 6 dictionaries I just checked disagree with you.

Check a dictionary more than a few years old.

Are you just not at all aware of the point of dictionaries?

I was trying not to reply to you.

I reject whatever you want to call your philosophy that words which are artificially created are as cromulent as words which evolve naturally.

All words, once again, are artificially created. People find a thing they need to describ, and people create a word for it. That is how language works.

Yes. It even happens when a word already exists for a thing. We have a word for that too, and it doesn't make anything not-a-word.

You might want to look up "natural language". Your "all words are made up" is stupid and childish.

*eyeroll*

"Natural language" doesn't mean "no made up words," you insufferable dolt. It means the language as a whole was created not by specific intent but by the spread of created or borrowed words.

You know "1984" wasn't a how to manual, right?


You know you should read the things you are furiously googling to try to make yourself feel better, right?
 
2020-08-25 7:37:41 PM  
7 votes:

g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: LrdPhoenix: g.fro: Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

5 out of 6 dictionaries I just checked disagree with you.

Check a dictionary more than a few years old.

Are you just not at all aware of the point of dictionaries?

I was trying not to reply to you.

I reject whatever you want to call your philosophy that words which are artificially created are as cromulent as words which evolve naturally.

All words, once again, are artificially created. People find a thing they need to describ, and people create a word for it. That is how language works.

Yes. It even happens when a word already exists for a thing. We have a word for that too, and it doesn't make anything not-a-word.

You might want to look up "natural language". Your "all words are made up" is stupid and childish.


*eyeroll*

"Natural language" doesn't mean "no made up words," you insufferable dolt. It means the language as a whole was created not by specific intent but by the spread of created or borrowed words.
 
2020-08-25 7:12:57 PM  
7 votes:

g.fro: Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.


5 out of 6 dictionaries I just checked disagree with you.
 
2020-08-25 6:43:22 PM  
7 votes:

g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

Prescriptivists are funny, and stupid.

So are people who make up words.

Try to be better than them.

All words are made up.

Wow, you're just so clever. So has your junior high started classes again yet?

By the way, don't be surprised when no one takes you seriously in the future. I tried to help you, but if you want to signal to others that you are as gullible as the people in red-hats, that's up to you.


You aren't good at this.
 
2020-08-25 6:05:52 PM  
7 votes:
Thank you subbyfor bringing this topic up.

I'm struggling with cutting out family and friends. It helps to hear how others deal with it. I have actually cried tears of grief over "losing" my brother and his family.

Stay sane everybody.
 
2020-08-25 5:49:04 PM  
7 votes:
CSB time.

I'm recently engaged. Once the news broke every person on my fiancée (fiancé?) side of the family basically said.

"Oh man do you know what you are marrying into?"

Yes. Kind people with good jobs who are moderate to liberal in their politics. My fiancée (or which ever) is marrying into a family full of hard core Trumpers deep down that Qanon bullshiat rabbit hole. I don't know how I escaped, but I'm glad I did. That amount of hate and paranoia can not be good for a person.
 
2020-08-25 5:41:32 PM  
7 votes:

gunga galunga: He took issue with my Facebook page (which I have since quit, for good) and called me up to tell me that I was letting the liberal media tell me what to think.



The bitter irony of people who quote Rush or Hannity verbatim telling us that the media tells Liberals what and how to think.

Been true for almost 40 years now that you can tell exactly what Fox News was saying last night without ever watching it, because you'll hear all of the talking points parroted by every right winger you know the next day.
 
2020-08-25 5:20:14 PM  
7 votes:

LegacyDL: Conservatism died when Eisenhower left the White House.


Nixon, the southern strategy and shuffle. The actual political conservative became Democrats (there were already some) and the neo-conservative Nazi /Klan became Republicans with neo Confederate, feudal regressive trickle down theory and burgeoning Rand anti civilization libertarianism as side dishes.

It made the Republicans walk the trail to pure evil, but also diluted all the progressives and classical liberals in Democratic Party into third way bullshiat.

And here we are
 
2020-08-25 5:09:58 PM  
7 votes:

OrionXVI: Better question.  Are they really friends it they're Trumpers?


Reading the article, it is clear they are scummy people even if they weren't Trumpers.

The worst people will vote for Trump. The worst.

/ the wwwwoooooooooorrrrrrrrrsssssst
 
2020-08-25 5:09:10 PM  
7 votes:

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Combustion: Yep. I dumped an entire family. Feels great, actually.

Hey, Fark, is there any way we can get a HERO tag here for just this poster?


My parents plan on moving from about 5hrs away to less than an hour away very soon. I think they think that means they will see more of me (clearly after Covid is fixed). They will be very mistaken.
 
2020-08-25 5:08:01 PM  
7 votes:
Given that christian "friends" from the past have dropped communication with me because I'm an agnostic, leads me to assume that "moral" people completely agree that stopping association with racist, child molesting, lying, nazi filth is acceptable.
 
2020-08-25 5:05:59 PM  
7 votes:

Combustion: Yep. I dumped an entire family. Feels great, actually.


Hey, Fark, is there any way we can get a HERO tag here for just this poster?
 
2020-08-25 5:04:58 PM  
7 votes:

gunga galunga: OrionXVI: gunga galunga: I dumped them all.

All that's left is my mother and my brother. I can't dump them.

Fortunately, they know not to bring up Trump while I am around.

Brothers you can.  I've had to (2 in my case; they've gone full banjo).  Mothers may be harder to dump.

Last time my brother and I discussed politics was before Trump. He took issue with my Facebook page (which I have since quit, for good) and called me up to tell me that I was letting the liberal media tell me what to think. I gave it back to him with both barrels saying that I found that insulting that the implication was that I was too stupid to form my own thoughts or ideas. Also adding, "and by the way, what are your farking unimpeachable sources of information". Since the answer to that question would have been Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, he changed the subject and we've never discussed politics since.

However, I do know from my brother-in-law, whose mother is Facebook friends with my brother's wife, that my brother got a Donald Trump birthday cake for his 50th.

He would have given me no end of shiat if I were ever to have gotten a Obama or a Hillary Clinton birthday cake, and he'd be right to do so. But as long as he is not bringing up politics, neither will I.


I haven't talked to those two in 2 years now.  They were going full Guilfoyle rant route.  At that point, I realized that they would see me suffer for their beliefs, and decided that staying in contact wasn't worth it.  Rather live and be happy than stay attached to hate.
 
2020-08-25 4:59:19 PM  
7 votes:

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: gunga galunga: OrionXVI: gunga galunga: I dumped them all.

All that's left is my mother and my brother. I can't dump them.

Fortunately, they know not to bring up Trump while I am around.

Brothers you can.  I've had to (2 in my case; they've gone full banjo).  Mothers may be harder to dump.

Last time my brother and I discussed politics was before Trump. He took issue with my Facebook page (which I have since quit, for good) and called me up to tell me that I was letting the liberal media tell me what to think. I gave it back to him with both barrels saying that I found that insulting that the implication was that I was too stupid to form my own thoughts or ideas. Also adding, "and by the way, what are your farking unimpeachable sources of information". Since the answer to that question would have been Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, he changed the subject and we've never discussed politics since.

However, I do know from my brother-in-law, whose mother is Facebook friends with my brother's wife, that my brother got a Donald Trump birthday cake for his 50th.

He would have given me no end of shiat if I were ever to have gotten a Obama or a Hillary Clinton birthday cake, and he'd be right to do so. But as long as he is not bringing up politics, neither will I.

You should bring up the birthday cake every year from now on. What is he, five? How farking pathetic, even if Trump wasn't a vile pack of pus.


I want to. But l like I said, if he isn't bringing up politics, then there is no reason for me to.

Oh, and he also got his boys Rush Limbaugh coloring books and her forbids them to watch Nova because they cover non-Republican approved science, such as global warming. However, when our sister and her husband raised their kids to support Obama, he referred to that without any sense of irony as "indoctrination".
 
2020-08-25 4:33:12 PM  
7 votes:
I dumped them all.

All that's left is my mother and my brother. I can't dump them.

Fortunately, they know not to bring up Trump while I am around.
 
2020-08-25 8:50:37 PM  
6 votes:

g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: shoegaze99: g.fro: I've said "good day" once. Do I need to say "good night" now?

How about saying nothing and just walking away?

Because unless you get off on embarrassing yourself, you're doing yourself no favors by digging in.

But if it's some kink of yours, then by all means, continue. You must be building yourself up to a wild climax, because yeesh, watching this has been cringe-inducing.

I had walked away. Little-miss-gender-studies-degree got it going again.

But this is getting rather boring.

I wasn't tagging you or anything, but a discussion on why your post was dumb was and is merited.

So does that mean we're done here?


Yes, you finally get to pretend that you're just so bored of being shown you're wrong and these nerds with their pleas for you to google the basic subject you're discussing are totally defeated by your boredom.
 
2020-08-25 8:16:48 PM  
6 votes:

g.fro: odinsposse: g.fro: I pointed out a word you used is not a word. It is not. I don't care how many times you say it is.

I'm not bailing out. I'm just declaring victory and running away even though I didn't prove my point. You're crying I'm not crying!

Dude, she's not going sleep with you. Give it a rest.


Oh man. You totally misunderstand me. I'm not trying to defend a woman. I'm kicking a clearly weak person when they're down. Sorry if you got that wrong like you get so many other things wrong.
 
2020-08-25 8:09:18 PM  
6 votes:

g.fro: I pointed out a word you used is not a word. It is not. I don't care how many times you say it is.


I'm not bailing out. I'm just declaring victory and running away even though I didn't prove my point. You're crying I'm not crying!
 
2020-08-25 7:57:32 PM  
6 votes:

g.fro: odinsposse: g.fro: ...objecting to one word for the thread to get totally derailed. Is that worth it? Is that how you want to manage a political discussion?

And the whole silly thing could become avoided by just using the word "Latin".

What a cowardly attempt to bail out. It's everyone else's fault that you objected to a phrase and then got embarrassed on how little you knew about how language worked? At least own up to your loss like an adult.

Was anyone talking to you?

I love how any time someone disagrees with the new catechism, it's because they "don't know". Guess what, some people know, and disagree. And that doesn't make them bigots, but I'm sure you'll say they are.

Attempt to bail out? Whatever, dipshiat.


Welcome to public forums. People can point out when you're obviously doing a bad job. Sorry your ego can't handle it when you fail.
 
2020-08-25 6:34:40 PM  
6 votes:
I'm dumping anyone who makes obvious racist remarks that thinks it's not racist.

I have one brother and his wife who regrets voting for trump. So they've redeemed themselves.

I have another brother who voted for trump and we just don't talk about politics. He's chronically underemployed, lives and looks after our 90-year old mom and is the best uncle ever to my daughters and grandson and is 58-years old. He never changed a diaper until my grandson was born (He was 54 when grandbaby was born) and he started babysitting for my daughter. He told me he never knew what he missed not having a family until my grandson came along. Stevie and granduncle are totally bros.

Not going to cause a political rift with my brother and make time awkward with his grandnephew, niece and sister.

My ancient mother routinely engages me about 'that sonofabiatch'. But, yeah, her Tennessee ancestors were unionists.

My other brother (3rd) voted Trump In the 2016 primaries thinking it would give Dems a better chance to keep the presidency. He'll never make that mistake again. And yeah, this one got covidy and is okay now. He's 60 and in pretty good shape. He's freaked out about all the deaths that could have been avoided with a proper response.

I have more removed family that blew me off when Obama was president. I have friends that I challenged with the sandy hook 'hoax' that dropped me.

My oldest friend in the world no longer talks to me because she shared a picture of Obama carrying a book by an Arab-sounding named author, obviously proving that Barack was a Muslim sharia militant. When I pointed out the author was was American, she replied, "so what?"  She's an evangelical Christian welfare Queen Social program master of red tape with state paid grants for her master's degree from a prestigious state university who forged her ex-husband's signature to cash in his 401(k). And she muzzled a dog with electrical tape and gave me the same viscous dog when my children were toddlers, telling me "it just barks a lot".   Oh, and one out of five of her children were born in wedlock. But she is a bonifide speak-in-tongues Christian now advertising as a Christian counselor and working for a county sheriff. So she tells rape victims to pray and not get abortions. She has told me my bi daughter will burn in hell. She told me she would help burn down the country if it saves one fetus. All of her children have been supported by social programs or government service. I haven't talked to her in 5 years. I've known her for half a century.

Most of the social media friends I've cut off are people from high school that weren't assholes then, but have turned into flaming right-wing idjits in their middle age.

We are very late boomers (b. 1964ish) who identify more with GenX (emergence of technology, social media and cut off from all the tasty safety nets our older siblings ran into the ground).

I'll keep my Immediate family. They ain't so bad, just a bit misguided. The Aunts, uncles, cousins, friends and acquaintances from decades past can fark right off when they go QAnon, Hoax and trumpy.
 
2020-08-25 6:22:37 PM  
6 votes:

Leishu: I think it's a bit weird, because within the LGBTQIA+ spectrum, the answer of yes to Subby's question is taken as common sense. People who profess hate to queer folk are a threat to me, so they don't get to share my space if I can avoid it.

It's as simple as that. Self-preservation.


The Republicans have outright made it their platform that they will not tolerate a future that contains people like "us", where "we" pretty much say there's room for compromise with about anything except intolerance. We cannot tolerate intolerance of others. Eventually that intolerance will be visited upon us too.

So I don't see a way to negotiate here. Nobody told the Trumper Republicans to go paint themselves into that corner. They weren't born with the ideology of fascism and Nazism. They went willingly and willingly stay there. They can simply get up and say "hey this is bullshiat, I'm out." And some even do.

But that doesn't obligate us to wait for them to come around. A lot of them will die and try to take us with them first. That's already happening.
 
2020-08-25 5:34:45 PM  
6 votes:

g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

Prescriptivists are funny, and stupid.

So are people who make up words.

Try to be better than them.

All words are made up.

Wow, you're just so clever. So has your junior high started classes again yet?

By the way, don't be surprised when no one takes you seriously in the future. I tried to help you, but if you want to signal to others that you are as gullible as the people in red-hats, that's up to you.

Actually, I have an advanced degree in the topic.

But, y'know, you can keep hiding your head in the sand while culture and therefore language continue to change around you.

Oh, so you're one of those over-educated white people who gets to tell others how their culture (and apparently language as well) is wrong. Whatever would the oppressed do without you to save them? Never mind what I said about you being as gullible as the red-hats; you are as racist. You just found a better way to hide it.

Yeah, don't be surprised when no one takes anything you say seriously, they'll be right not to.


I guess anybody seems "overeducated" if you're proud of being stupid.

I bolded the really ironic part, just in case anybody missed it.
 
2020-08-25 5:34:11 PM  
6 votes:

Combustion: Yep. I dumped an entire family. Feels great, actually.


I have eliminated every person who I know is a republistain.

My life has only gotten better because of it.
 
2020-08-25 5:32:33 PM  
6 votes:
Life's too short to waste energy on wackaloons.
 
2020-08-25 5:31:03 PM  
6 votes:

fiddlehead: Saiga410: Do whatever you want but it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.  About the only thing that I will cut off friends are drugs.  I dont mind if you do them but if you start in a full on addiction spiral and you do not listen to everyone trying to help you... well you are not bringing me down with you.  Have only done that twice.  They finally bounced from bottom and we talk years later.

Is "LGBT people should not be treated like second class citizens" an "ideology"? Because I'm perfectly happy removing people from my life that question that.


Can we add "Black people shouldnt be murdered by police?"  I know, I'm a radical.
 
2020-08-25 5:28:16 PM  
6 votes:

g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Oh, so you're one of those over-educated white people who gets to tell others how their culture (and apparently language as well) is wrong

You're the one who told me my language was wrong. And am I in middle school or over-educated? Your trolling comes off as milquetoast when it's not even intellectually consistent.

When you were arguing like a child I assumed you were a child. When you informed me of your advanced degree, I revised my assessment and realized you were over- rather than under-educated. In any case you insist on using an asinine word which indicates way more about you than you seem to realize. Not least of which being that your opinion is totally worthless.

Good day.


Why do you think it is asinine? Why does the use of language to respect people offend you so greatly? Let's dig here.

And "All words are made up" is 1) A fact, and 2) A common statement used to ridicule prescriptivists.
 
2020-08-25 5:03:54 PM  
6 votes:

LegacyDL: Conservatism died when Eisenhower left the White House.


No that was rational Republicanism. Conservatism led directly and inexorably to trump.
 
2020-08-25 4:58:15 PM  
6 votes:

Saiga410: Do whatever you want but it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.  About the only thing that I will cut off friends are drugs.  I dont mind if you do them but if you start in a full on addiction spiral and you do not listen to everyone trying to help you... well you are not bringing me down with you.  Have only done that twice.  They finally bounced from bottom and we talk years later.


I don't think in this case that it is simply a concern of having your own ideology questioned. We are beyond that. I don't lump all conservatives to be as bad as true Trumpers, but I'm more than content to disown people of the letter who water the seeds of an ideology that would be happy to imprison its political opponents if they could.

Basically, I have a conscience and as such cannot in any way be associated with hardcore Trumpers.
 
2020-08-25 4:44:54 PM  
6 votes:

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: It is your obligation to do so.


No, it your obligation to take their derp to the next level.

Don't just be for voter ID, be for one voting location in each country, with a single line per 10k people, where each line must be monitored by a representative from each party with 1% or more registration, the only people allowed to vote absentee are soldiers deployed overseas, and everyone else much show up in person at the polls, which are only open from 0800-2000.

Demand the Rethuglicans stop stealing your tax money to redistribute wealth to those lazy rural no-goodnik soshulists, with refrigerators, using that money to eat big government steaks and lobsters, while driving around in luxury cars. They can't afford to bus their own kids to school they can raise their own taxes, have a bake sale, or maybe merge school districts.

Take a Rethuglican Party talking point, crank it to 11. Say if they don't support the changes they want (in these two examples) elections stolen and soshulizms. I go to the diner (outside seating for now) near home and most of what's left of the Trumpublicans scatter when the car pulls in because they know I'll highlight all that ebil big gubbermint money they're suckling from the big gubbermint teat.

Embrace, and extend, their idea to turn it against them in ways they weren't expecting to happen. The soshulizms argument is great. Honestly though, hammer on the voting one for now. They backpedal on all that shiat fast when they figure out they're going to be in line, probably for hours, plus adding 15-30 minutes each way just to get to/from the polling station. When they balk, start calling them durty soshulists.
 
2020-08-25 4:38:48 PM  
6 votes:
Trump up one side and down the other - I frown.

You start dropping QAnon, IIIer, flat-earth, or SovCit-adjacent ideas - you're gone.

Unfortunately, nearly all of category 1 people I've known have ended up as either a "okay, fine, never Trump" conservative, or part of category 2.  And a lot more of the latter than the former.
 
2020-08-25 10:08:51 PM  
5 votes:

odinsposse: State_College_Arsonist: flondrix: State_College_Arsonist: If you stop being friends with someone simply because they're a Republican or a Democrat, you're just an asshole.  That's all there is to it, it's an easy rule to live by.

FTFA:  "When we used to hang out, they would drop racist comments toward me (I am Asian) and say it was just a joke, or do things we don't approve of (steal, tread off trail), or now they find us ridiculous to be social distancing."

This couple has their 10 year old daughter to think about, too.

If you think that all Republicans, and only Republicans, are racists, then you are an idiot.

They should stop supporting racists then. That would help a lot.


They're making it really, really hard to prove otherwise:

An RNC speaker set to appear tonight urged her supporters to research an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory about a global Jewish plot to enslave the "goyim."
 
2020-08-25 9:57:26 PM  
5 votes:

State_College_Arsonist: flondrix: State_College_Arsonist: If you stop being friends with someone simply because they're a Republican or a Democrat, you're just an asshole.  That's all there is to it, it's an easy rule to live by.

FTFA:  "When we used to hang out, they would drop racist comments toward me (I am Asian) and say it was just a joke, or do things we don't approve of (steal, tread off trail), or now they find us ridiculous to be social distancing."

This couple has their 10 year old daughter to think about, too.

If you think that all Republicans, and only Republicans, are racists, then you are an idiot.


They should stop supporting racists then. That would help a lot.
 
2020-08-25 9:23:27 PM  
5 votes:
Inventing new gender pronouns as if it were no big deal shows that one is unaware of one's Anglocentric privilege

Or,
it shows that they understand - and followe here - that the pronouns that they are inventing are meant to be used IN ENGLISH, and so the rest of your wankery doesn't apply at all.

Or do you know of a bunch of people that I don't that are demanding that we use "xe" and "xim" in Coptic and Farsi? Is this another Esperanto thing I don't know about??
 
2020-08-25 9:01:41 PM  
5 votes:

g.fro: odinsposse: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: shoegaze99: g.fro: I've said "good day" once. Do I need to say "good night" now?

How about saying nothing and just walking away?

Because unless you get off on embarrassing yourself, you're doing yourself no favors by digging in.

But if it's some kink of yours, then by all means, continue. You must be building yourself up to a wild climax, because yeesh, watching this has been cringe-inducing.

I had walked away. Little-miss-gender-studies-degree got it going again.

But this is getting rather boring.

I wasn't tagging you or anything, but a discussion on why your post was dumb was and is merited.

So does that mean we're done here?

Yes, you finally get to pretend that you're just so bored of being shown you're wrong and these nerds with their pleas for you to google the basic subject you're discussing are totally defeated by your boredom.

Dude, I don't know what you think you're wining? I disagree with you idiots making up your own words. So what? I'm not going to stop you, And I'm not going to stop thinking you're idiots every time I hear someone use the word. Which so far has only been from a white person who never got any closer to a Latin person than their housekeeper. So you're free to use your made-up words, and I'm free to dismiss you.


I'm not winning anything. I'm having fun watching the train wreck. You have clearly demonstrated that you are angry with how language works. That's not a victory for you. It just lets everyone laugh at you when you pretend your fake rules matter when you call everyone else's rules fake. You're a failure. Your mind is incapable of comprehending the real world. You're a clown and I'm having fun poking you.
 
2020-08-25 8:17:27 PM  
5 votes:

g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: I pointed out a word you used is not a word. It is not.

You are wrong. Deal with it.

And you're stupid, deal with it.

There, I think we've reached an impasse. Or do you want to just keep going around in circles all night?

I have proven you wrong. You haven't proven anybody stupid, except arguably yourself.

Should should I just say there are only two genders so you can ignore me and feel like you won something?


You already said that - It didn't change my opinion that you're a moron.
 
2020-08-25 8:12:11 PM  
5 votes:
Guys! Dictionaries are stupid because they disagree with me. Also, I should be the only authority by which something is proclaimed.
 
2020-08-25 8:11:02 PM  
5 votes:

g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: I pointed out a word you used is not a word. It is not.

You are wrong. Deal with it.

And you're stupid, deal with it.

There, I think we've reached an impasse. Or do you want to just keep going around in circles all night?


I have proven you wrong. You haven't proven anybody stupid, except arguably yourself.
 
2020-08-25 8:08:25 PM  
5 votes:

g.fro: I pointed out a word you used is not a word. It is not.


You are wrong. Deal with it.
 
2020-08-25 8:05:40 PM  
5 votes:

g.fro: You might want to look up "natural language". Your "all words are made up" is stupid and childish.


You don't know what a natural language is do you?  A natural language is a language which has changed and evolved over time, like English, which has roots going back through multiple different languages for thousands of years back to the Indo-European base and back farther to when some caveman, probably well before homo sapiens ever showed up, pointed to a rock and said "Ug."  All words in English are made up, though they are based, through shifts and changes and additions and slang, on earlier words, which were also made up.

An artificial language is an entire language which is created as a whole at once and does not have this natural history to it, though the words in it might be based on existent words, like Esperanto, or not, like Dothraki.
 
2020-08-25 7:51:44 PM  
5 votes:

odinsposse: g.fro: ...objecting to one word for the thread to get totally derailed. Is that worth it? Is that how you want to manage a political discussion?

And the whole silly thing could become avoided by just using the word "Latin".

What a cowardly attempt to bail out. It's everyone else's fault that you objected to a phrase and then got embarrassed on how little you knew about how language worked? At least own up to your loss like an adult.


How dare I respond in-kind to his attacks on me for doing exactly what he is doing, which I wasn't, amirite?

The dude can't even construct an argument that isn't entirely comprised of half-ass googling and strawmen.
 
2020-08-25 7:49:52 PM  
5 votes:

g.fro: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: LrdPhoenix: g.fro: Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

5 out of 6 dictionaries I just checked disagree with you.

Check a dictionary more than a few years old.

Are you just not at all aware of the point of dictionaries?

I was trying not to reply to you.

I reject whatever you want to call your philosophy that words which are artificially created are as cromulent as words which evolve naturally.

All words, once again, are artificially created. People find a thing they need to describ, and people create a word for it. That is how language works.

Yes. It even happens when a word already exists for a thing. We have a word for that too, and it doesn't make anything not-a-word.

You might want to look up "natural language". Your "all words are made up" is stupid and childish.

*eyeroll*

"Natural language" doesn't mean "no made up words," you insufferable dolt. It means the language as a whole was created not by specific intent but by the spread of created or borrowed words.

You know "1984" wasn't a how to manual, right?

You know you should read the things you are furiously googling to try to make yourself feel better, right?

So, tell me, what are you trying to accomplish? I had left the discussion, but you had to drag me back. Do you think you are going to change my mind regarding your newspeak? Or can you just not stand the idea that someone, somewhere might not agree with your orthodoxy?

Look at this thread. It wasn't about one word or language in general. You were trying to make a completely unrelated political point. And I know you won't believe me, and probably even accuse me of lying, but I actually agree with the point you were making. But all it took was my simple objectingvto one word

...objecting to one word for the thread to get totally derailed. Is that worth it? Is that how you want to manage a political discussion?

And the whole silly thing could become avoided by j ...


YOU did the objecting, dipshiat.
 
2020-08-25 7:37:14 PM  
5 votes:

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: I've always,always voted third party

Knew you were an asshole, and you went and confirmed it.


Voting third party in anything other than a very local race is like masturbating in the voting booth. you may feel better, but nobody else enjoys anything, and you just leave a mess for somebody else to clean up. It's a supremely stupid selfish act from people who can't see anything other than their own precious ego.
 
2020-08-25 7:31:21 PM  
5 votes:

g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: LrdPhoenix: g.fro: Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

5 out of 6 dictionaries I just checked disagree with you.

Check a dictionary more than a few years old.

Are you just not at all aware of the point of dictionaries?

I was trying not to reply to you.

I reject whatever you want to call your philosophy that words which are artificially created are as cromulent as words which evolve naturally.


All words, once again, are artificially created. People find a thing they need to describ, and people create a word for it. That is how language works.

Yes. It even happens when a word already exists for a thing. We have a word for that too, and it doesn't make anything not-a-word.
 
2020-08-25 6:26:11 PM  
5 votes:
One of the more refreshing things that's happened since Trump assumed office is that cishet white people have started to realize that "politics" isn't some vague concept divorced from everyday life.  They're seeing that politics informs nearly everything we do--what we eat, where we shop, what we wear, what vehicles we drive.  It affects government at all levels; it affects civil rights and judicial integrity.  It can make people value some people over others, based on things like who they love, or the color of their skin, and indeed it can make people value property over human lives.

Of course, people who aren't straight/cisgender and/or aren't white have always known this--our entire existences are political, because cishet white people ensure that they are.

The next thing we need to get through cishet white people's skulls is that, if you're going to have marginalized friends, having friends who hate those friends because of who they are makes you a selfish asshole.  Cishet whites are so used to not being affected by things like bigotry that they have a really hard time with this concept; but how can I, as a gay man, be friends with people who also have friends who think I shouldn't exist--or worse, that I should be harmed or killed?

Looking at it the other way, how can people justify being friends with homophobes?  "It doesn't affect me so I don't really care" is really, really shiatty and selfish reasoning, especially since all you're doing is excusing (and enabling) their bigotry, which affect your queer friends.  You really have to make a choice, out of respect for your marginalized friends.  I'm certainly not going to want to hang out with you if there's a chance I'm going to be stuck in a place with someone you know who hates me just because I like dudes.

Letting go of toxic friends is self care.  Letting go of bigoted friends is simply the decent thing to do.  Stop thinking just of yourself and start thinking about everyone else.
 
2020-08-25 6:20:43 PM  
5 votes:
I just had a buddy from high school try and get me and four other guys we've been friends with for decades together for a little min-reunion.

Thing is one of those guys is a rabid Trumper, flamed out spectacularly on social media and essentially trolled me over my left-wing politics until I finally booted him out of my life.

This buddy that's trying to get everybody together basically said "I had no idea you disliked him that much.  I thought you guys just disagreed over politics."

The idea that politics aren't enough in themselves a good reason to cut someone out of one's life is weird to me.  There really aren't many better reasons outside of the obvious abuse or crime or drugs or whatever.
 
2020-08-25 6:08:30 PM  
5 votes:

Excelsior: Leishu: I will gladly refer to you as Latina (I am awful with names, so you may need to remind me if I use Latinx to describe you, but I will make an effort). The intention is 100 percent to respect what people wish to be called, and if you don't want to be called that, I don't want to use it for you.

In that case, you shouldn't use it for anyone.
Only 2% of hispanic people polled identify with 'latinx', the other 98% reject it:   https://reason.com/2019/11/04/latinx-​poll-think-now-hispanics-2020-woke/


Reason.com - the website that wants to deport all brown people.
 
2020-08-25 5:48:59 PM  
5 votes:

twat_waffle: To me, it feels a bit like appropriation. We don't turn "Chicano" into "Chicanx," so why do it to "Latino."


Hi! Spanish major checking in. I would answer this question by saying that, speaking in the broadest strokes, the word "Latin[x]" has become kind of the default catch-all for any Spanish speaking person not from Spain, whereas Chicano is somewhat more narrow in usage. If Chicano were the default word for "brown Spanish speaker living in the U.S.," then you would absolutely see "Chicanx" being used, is my guess.

Note - I want to say again that I am speaking in VERY BROAD STROKES. There is no consensus on what difference there is between "Latino" and "Chicano," at least not back a few years when I was having this conversation. I don't have any official studies that say that "Latino" is even the more popular or commonly used word, either, but perhaps a simple Google Fight will bear me out:

https://www.googlefight.com/latino-vs​-​chicano.php

Is it a little contrived? Yeah, maybe. Name one significant effort towards being more innclusive that isn't a little contrived, though.
 
2020-08-25 5:45:00 PM  
5 votes:

g.fro: alto_reed_on_a_tenor_sax: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

Prescriptivists are funny, and stupid.

So are people who make up words.

Try to be better than them.

All words are made up.

Wow, you're just so clever. So has your junior high started classes again yet?

By the way, don't be surprised when no one takes you seriously in the future. I tried to help you, but if you want to signal to others that you are as gullible as the people in red-hats, that's up to you.

Actually, I have an advanced degree in the topic.

But, y'know, you can keep hiding your head in the sand while culture and therefore language continue to change around you.

Oh, so you're one of those over-educated white people who gets to tell others how their culture (and apparently language as well) is wrong. Whatever would the oppressed do without you to save them? Never mind what I said about you being as gullible as the red-hats; you are as racist. You just found a better way to hide it.

Yeah, don't be surprised when no one takes anything you say seriously, they'll be right not to.

I guess anybody seems "overeducated" if you're proud of being stupid.

I bolded the really ironic part, just in case anybody missed it.

The part you bolded is in reference to the idea being pushed that the Spanish language (and I guess all other Romance language) is deficient because it has two genders. The idea that people from outside a culture trying to dictate how that cul ...


You're reading a lot into a term that I use because I have been specifically asked to by friends of that culture because they don't believe that Latino or Latina are adequate to describe them. In English.
 
2020-08-25 5:38:08 PM  
5 votes:

cocozilla: Saiga410: Do whatever you want but it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

This is not like disagreeing over a movie or NYC pizza vs whatever that thing they call pizza in Chicago. These are lives. This is safety. This is corruption. This is fascism .  These are people who , in another time, would be cheering Mussolini or Hitler. These are dangerously ignorant people who have surrendered their humanity and , to quote rod Serling..."These men decided to turn the Earth into a graveyard. Into it they shoveled all of their reason, their logic, their knowledge, but worse of all, their conscience. "


These are the people that would be pouring the milkshakes on the black sit in protesters.   These are the people that would cheer when the dogs and hoses were turned on civil rights.marchers.
 
2020-08-25 5:36:36 PM  
5 votes:

Needlessly Complicated: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

Prescriptivists are funny, and stupid.

So are people who make up words.

Try to be better than them.

All words are made up.

Wow, you're just so clever. So has your junior high started classes again yet?

By the way, don't be surprised when no one takes you seriously in the future. I tried to help you, but if you want to signal to others that you are as gullible as the people in red-hats, that's up to you.

You know what? I'm Latina. I detest the word "Latinx." I didn't say anything because the person you responded to is clearly on my side in a supportive way and I don't want to be an asshole about things that don't really matter in this context. You're just being confrontational for no good reason. If you think you're striking a blow for anyone or anything, you're not. This is just extremely off-putting

It doesn't matter, that's not what this thread is about. Let it go.


I will gladly refer to you as Latina (I am awful with names, so you may need to remind me if I use Latinx to describe you, but I will make an effort). The intention is 100 percent to respect what people wish to be called, and if you don't want to be called that, I don't want to use it for you.
 
2020-08-25 5:33:44 PM  
5 votes:

Kangaroo_Ralph: dickfreckle: I can't be around it even online, much less in person.

I hope you'll block me then. A lot of other farkers also stick their heads in the sand, and if they have to come up for air, they close their eyes, stick their fingers in their ears, and scream LALALALALA as loudly as they can to drown it out. I hope it helps.


Trump collided with Russia and Kavanaugh is a rapist. Let's go over the evid-
Republicans: "LA LA LA!"
 
2020-08-25 5:33:26 PM  
5 votes:

FnkyTwn: Friends? I dumped my mother over her love of all things Trump. Over her love of his every tweet, over her beratement of my wife's support of BLM on Facebook. Over her thinking black people have had it easy since the 1960s. Over her volunteering to take her gun down to the protests to help the cops out. Over her doubt of Obama's and Kamala's heritage. Over her absolute love of all things related to Stickin it to the Libs. fark her.


^^^^^

Hero
 
2020-08-25 5:28:46 PM  
5 votes:

Needlessly Complicated: You know what? I'm Latina. I detest the word "Latinx."


I was introduced to 'Latinx' by way of a Puerto Rican friend of mine. Since I'm nonbinary, and she has a nonbinary sibling, I thought it made sense.

/eh, different strokes, I guess?
 
2020-08-25 5:26:20 PM  
5 votes:
I recently dumped a relative. I see no reason at all you can't dump a friend
 
2020-08-25 5:22:07 PM  
5 votes:

g.fro: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.


You don't want to do this. Not on that hill, man.
 
2020-08-25 5:22:04 PM  
5 votes:

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: There is no coming back. 

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Is this the house of someone you know?

I mean, Jesus Tapdancing Christ, what the hell.
 
2020-08-25 5:18:52 PM  
5 votes:

Zeb Hesselgresser: I smell my own farts. They are delicious.


Ftfy
 
2020-08-25 4:34:47 PM  
5 votes:
Yes, unless your friend is Becki Falwell. Then you would be safer to check all corners of your house, just to make sure Jerry Fallwell Jr isn't jacking off in the corner like a horny Blair Witch victim.
 
2020-08-25 4:30:30 PM  
5 votes:
Four years late to the party?

Well, better late than never.

Unless you try to tell us this crap AFTER you vote for the man twice, in which case, zero sympathy and zero late apologies accepted.
 
2020-08-25 9:48:21 PM  
4 votes:
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2020-08-25 9:39:03 PM  
4 votes:

drewogatory: If you guys can figure out the geography I'll happily get ya'll a room.


Dude, there's a pandemic. This is safer.
 
2020-08-25 8:59:51 PM  
4 votes:

g.fro: odinsposse: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: shoegaze99: g.fro: I've said "good day" once. Do I need to say "good night" now?

How about saying nothing and just walking away?

Because unless you get off on embarrassing yourself, you're doing yourself no favors by digging in.

But if it's some kink of yours, then by all means, continue. You must be building yourself up to a wild climax, because yeesh, watching this has been cringe-inducing.

I had walked away. Little-miss-gender-studies-degree got it going again.

But this is getting rather boring.

I wasn't tagging you or anything, but a discussion on why your post was dumb was and is merited.

So does that mean we're done here?

Yes, you finally get to pretend that you're just so bored of being shown you're wrong and these nerds with their pleas for you to google the basic subject you're discussing are totally defeated by your boredom.

Dude, I don't know what you think you're wining? I disagree with you idiots making up your own words. So what? I'm not going to stop you, And I'm not going to stop thinking you're idiots every time I hear someone use the word. Which so far has only been from a white person who never got any closer to a Latin person than their housekeeper. So you're free to use your made-up words, and I'm free to dismiss you.


Are you running in a dumbfark marathon or something?
 
2020-08-25 8:57:50 PM  
4 votes:

g.fro: odinsposse: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: shoegaze99: g.fro: I've said "good day" once. Do I need to say "good night" now?

How about saying nothing and just walking away?

Because unless you get off on embarrassing yourself, you're doing yourself no favors by digging in.

But if it's some kink of yours, then by all means, continue. You must be building yourself up to a wild climax, because yeesh, watching this has been cringe-inducing.

I had walked away. Little-miss-gender-studies-degree got it going again.

But this is getting rather boring.

I wasn't tagging you or anything, but a discussion on why your post was dumb was and is merited.

So does that mean we're done here?

Yes, you finally get to pretend that you're just so bored of being shown you're wrong and these nerds with their pleas for you to google the basic subject you're discussing are totally defeated by your boredom.

Dude, I don't know what you think you're wining? I disagree with you idiots making up your own words. So what? I'm not going to stop you, And I'm not going to stop thinking you're idiots every time I hear someone use the word. Which so far has only been from a white person who never got any closer to a Latin person than their housekeeper. So you're free to use your made-up words, and I'm free to dismiss you.


... see... this is the opposite of done. You're just doubling down again. You don't get to do this and not have your outward, intent stupidity be addressed.
 
2020-08-25 8:54:20 PM  
4 votes:

g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: shoegaze99: g.fro: I've said "good day" once. Do I need to say "good night" now?

How about saying nothing and just walking away?

Because unless you get off on embarrassing yourself, you're doing yourself no favors by digging in.

But if it's some kink of yours, then by all means, continue. You must be building yourself up to a wild climax, because yeesh, watching this has been cringe-inducing.

I had walked away. Little-miss-gender-studies-degree got it going again.

But this is getting rather boring.

I wasn't tagging you or anything, but a discussion on why your post was dumb was and is merited.

So does that mean we're done here?


OH MY GOD NOBODY CARES!!!!!

LET IT GO!!!
 
2020-08-25 8:39:31 PM  
4 votes:

g.fro: shoegaze99: g.fro: I've said "good day" once. Do I need to say "good night" now?

How about saying nothing and just walking away?

Because unless you get off on embarrassing yourself, you're doing yourself no favors by digging in.

But if it's some kink of yours, then by all means, continue. You must be building yourself up to a wild climax, because yeesh, watching this has been cringe-inducing.

I had walked away. Little-miss-gender-studies-degree got it going again.

But this is getting rather boring.


I wasn't tagging you or anything, but a discussion on why your post was dumb was and is merited.
 
2020-08-25 8:16:06 PM  
4 votes:

g.fro: odinsposse: g.fro: I pointed out a word you used is not a word. It is not. I don't care how many times you say it is.

I'm not bailing out. I'm just declaring victory and running away even though I didn't prove my point. You're crying I'm not crying!

Dude, she's not going sleep with you. Give it a rest.


You are aware that people can think you're a moron without sexual motivations right?
 
2020-08-25 8:07:03 PM  
4 votes:

Leishu: odinsposse: Leishu: odinsposse: g.fro: ...objecting to one word for the thread to get totally derailed. Is that worth it? Is that how you want to manage a political discussion?

And the whole silly thing could become avoided by just using the word "Latin".

What a cowardly attempt to bail out. It's everyone else's fault that you objected to a phrase and then got embarrassed on how little you knew about how language worked? At least own up to your loss like an adult.

How dare I respond in-kind to his attacks on me for doing exactly what he is doing, which I wasn't, amirite?

The dude can't even construct an argument that isn't entirely comprised of half-ass googling and strawmen.

It's truly unfair that you might know something that he does not and demonstrate that. It's the worst kind of liberal bias when people who don't know what they're talking are shown to not know what they're talking about.

Well didn't you hear? I'm overeducated.

Weirdest fark insult ever.


Experts are really the worst since they keep proving uneducated whiners wrong.
 
2020-08-25 8:03:21 PM  
4 votes:
There's a weird irony in here inasmuch as prescriptivism was originally an ivory tower sort of problem in which strict academics would refuse to recognize nonacademic language. It's very weird to be described as an overeducated descriptivist.

On the other side of things, I am wondering if he's actually bothered to look up what natural language is yet, versus controlled language.
 
2020-08-25 7:56:00 PM  
4 votes:

odinsposse: Leishu: odinsposse: g.fro: ...objecting to one word for the thread to get totally derailed. Is that worth it? Is that how you want to manage a political discussion?

And the whole silly thing could become avoided by just using the word "Latin".

What a cowardly attempt to bail out. It's everyone else's fault that you objected to a phrase and then got embarrassed on how little you knew about how language worked? At least own up to your loss like an adult.

How dare I respond in-kind to his attacks on me for doing exactly what he is doing, which I wasn't, amirite?

The dude can't even construct an argument that isn't entirely comprised of half-ass googling and strawmen.

It's truly unfair that you might know something that he does not and demonstrate that. It's the worst kind of liberal bias when people who don't know what they're talking are shown to not know what they're talking about.


Well didn't you hear? I'm overeducated.

Weirdest fark insult ever.
 
2020-08-25 7:55:20 PM  
4 votes:

Leishu: odinsposse: g.fro: ...objecting to one word for the thread to get totally derailed. Is that worth it? Is that how you want to manage a political discussion?

And the whole silly thing could become avoided by just using the word "Latin".

What a cowardly attempt to bail out. It's everyone else's fault that you objected to a phrase and then got embarrassed on how little you knew about how language worked? At least own up to your loss like an adult.

How dare I respond in-kind to his attacks on me for doing exactly what he is doing, which I wasn't, amirite?

The dude can't even construct an argument that isn't entirely comprised of half-ass googling and strawmen.


It's truly unfair that you might know something that he does not and demonstrate that. It's the worst kind of liberal bias when people who don't know what they're talking are shown to not know what they're talking about.
 
2020-08-25 7:34:47 PM  
4 votes:
Like... I think the most amusing part of this is that a dude with a 7th grade-level knowledge of etymology is accusing me of being the middle school kid - Like dude. Maybe you need to pass 10th grade English before you start acting as if you know, well, anything at all.
 
2020-08-25 6:28:57 PM  
4 votes:

theknuckler_33: I have a very close friend of about 37 years. A friend who went to a different school that lived in the neighborhood of another friend I knew from my Catholic HS.  He's as conservative as you can imagine. Young Earth Creationist Evangelical ... 'nuf said.  We were friends for a year or two when somehow the story of Noah's Arc came up and he informed me that he believed it to be literal history.

He spent many years as a "backslider", dealing meth, smoking weed, and partying, so even though I wasn't too into the meth back then, we spent many of our 20's years hanging out (not only because of the partying) and then he was 'born again', met a girl at his church and got married. I was part of the wedding party, but on wedding day, it was clear that I was eyed with great suspicion.

Anyway, that was over 20 years ago and while I don't see him often these days, we are still in close contact. We play golf maybe once a year, take in a Sixers game here and there and we even took a trip to Europe a few years ago. He's a great guy and I love him and I'm sure he loves me. But over the years, with a few exceptions, we've learned to just not talk about politics.

I was able to take that Europe trip only because his job has taken him all over the world such that he had so many travel miles that he offered to cover my trans-Atlantic airfare (both ways)...  flights between e.g. Amsterdam and Rome were cheap AF!  But without a hint of self-awareness, he told me that when he is traveling for work, he always declares that he is Canadian to the locals (merchants, cab drivers, hotel workers, etc).  We had a weird experience in a cab (Uber?  I forget) in Dublin when the driver asked us about Trump. Seemed clear to me that he expected us to be of like mind seemed genuinely confused when my buddy expressed his support while I called Trump an idiot.  I think he was amazed that we could express those thoughts in front of each other and still be civil.

Anyway, that's a farking long-ass story to say that it is possible to be friends with a Trumper.  I don't think I could make a new friend with a Trumper. But I've known this man for over 30 years and we have a long history of experiences and memories that I think well outweigh our political differences.   If I had long friendships with Trumpers where I was able to look past their politics, meaning that there is an unspoken agreement to avoid politics in casual conversation/situations, I can keep those friendships with no problem.


Hey, if someone's price to continue rubbing elbows with fascists is a European vacation, then they're just a more expensive whore than most.

/I don't see how you thought posting this was a good idea
 
2020-08-25 6:28:00 PM  
4 votes:

drewogatory: We've had threads over this. The only people using the term seem to be NPR and white people. Anecdotally I've never heard any Hispanic people think it's a better term. They usually laugh and ask what kind of honky shiat is that?

I've worked labor in Santa Ana for 10 years never hear anyone use it ever. Everyone is all about where they are from, there's no interest in being under a big umbrella.


I've heard Latinx used by native Spanish speakers on the radio both in Spanish and English.

The radio conversation is Spanish was moving a little fast for me but I think it concerned the unsolved trans murderers that have occurred here recently so there was context.

If this is a generational awareness issue in addition to an identity one, that's all good too. Call people what they wish to be called, unless it's "your majesty Trump"
 
2020-08-25 6:19:18 PM  
4 votes:

Smelly Pirate Hooker: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: Smelly Pirate Hooker: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: For those curious, the picture of the shrine wall is from the grandmothers house, Who until a few years ago, was a NY born, moved to FL Democrat.
That was until the Fox nation attacked. 
My Mother built the shrine for her, and helped her decorate with those oh so lovely other things. 
You'll note in the first picture, Grandpa's flag is at the bottom, it has been on the mantel for decades until my mother got her hands on it for the TRUMPINFURER Shrine. 
Then his flag went to the bottom, surrounded by Icons of a man who never served..
In the later picture, the clear one you see, its up higher now, as I lost my shiat one year and brought that subject up (Grandpa was a lifelong Democrat) 
Now its a little higher up on the shrine, still surrounded by Trump Icons. 
I haven't been back to visit my mother or grandmother in over a year and changed, The most contact Ive had was to mail them some masks.

Sorry. (._.) Sincerely. Both my parents are dead, so I don't have to hear any lunacy from either of them. Apparently, my brother (I have 2 sisters and a brother) is still on the moron train, but we don't discuss politics. If he had anything like that in his house, I'd probably avoid him, but he doesn't. I saw him this past weekend.

He doesn't have anything like that... yet... Yet.

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Well, I haven't seen the inside of his closet. Maybe he's got it in there. If he had one but was hiding it, that would indicate some awareness that having a literal shrine to literally the worst person on earth was insane. When I see any evidence of worship, like a sign in the yard or any other crap like that, yeah, I'll be avoiding him. Not that hard to do. We don't hang all that often.


May your friend accept and acknowledge hes mad a horrible mistake. 

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2020-08-25 6:12:14 PM  
4 votes:
I think it's a bit weird, because within the LGBTQIA+ spectrum, the answer of yes to Subby's question is taken as common sense. People who profess hate to queer folk are a threat to me, so they don't get to share my space if I can avoid it.

It's as simple as that. Self-preservation.
 
2020-08-25 6:11:21 PM  
4 votes:
I've been shunning shiatheels since way before trump became a thing.  It's refreshing to see many other people see the light, though.
 
2020-08-25 5:35:46 PM  
4 votes:

alto_reed_on_a_tenor_sax: I went no-contact with my very Republican, very Baptist family last year. Not because of Trump, but because of a lot of other shiat that just happens to coincide with being awful people, which just happens to coincide with Trumpkins.

If I'm ever tempted to extend an olive branch or what have you, I just remember that they were die-hard Trumpkins as late as November of last year, and even though I haven't spoken to any of them recently, I would bet every dollar I have that they still are. And it settles that internal debate right away. Easiest decision ever.


Good for you
 
2020-08-25 5:26:32 PM  
4 votes:

twat_waffle: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

Prescriptivists are funny, and stupid.

But he's right. The Spanish language has two genders. This is just an attempt by mostly white liberals to shoehorn a neuter gender into Spanish as an exercise in performative wokeness. To me, it feels a bit like appropriation. We don't turn "Chicano" into "Chicanx," so why do it to "Latino."

I'm very conscious of the words I use to describe people. I use "aboriginal" or "First Nations" instead of "Indian" or "Native American." "Latinx" just feels contrived to me. I don't see the point.


He didn't say the spanish language - he said any language, and I was typing in English.
 
2020-08-25 5:17:55 PM  
4 votes:

Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

Prescriptivists are funny, and stupid.


But he's right. The Spanish language has two genders. This is just an attempt by mostly white liberals to shoehorn a neuter gender into Spanish as an exercise in performative wokeness. To me, it feels a bit like appropriation. We don't turn "Chicano" into "Chicanx," so why do it to "Latino."

I'm very conscious of the words I use to describe people. I use "aboriginal" or "First Nations" instead of "Indian" or "Native American." "Latinx" just feels contrived to me. I don't see the point.
 
2020-08-25 5:07:38 PM  
4 votes:

Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?


About as much as people should tolerate "Latinx"
 
2020-08-25 5:00:22 PM  
4 votes:

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: Some people have gone full Tribal. They can never be brought back. Ever. 

This is something we have to accept. I've lost family. No amount of facts will bring my family back from this. 

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Have you called them cultists? I fear I may eventually let that one slip and I'd like to know how it will be received.
 
2020-08-25 4:40:27 PM  
4 votes:

Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?


Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.
 
2020-08-25 4:39:07 PM  
4 votes:
Over 175 thousand people dead, that is. Bah.
 
2020-08-25 4:38:36 PM  
4 votes:

dickfreckle: is a Republican and she DESPISES Trump



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2020-08-25 4:33:47 PM  
4 votes:
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2020-08-25 4:33:21 PM  
4 votes:
We practice 'no politics, no religion' at our local hang out, so it's been great.

However, lately i've been trying to align my opportunities with more liberal people. I mean, why the hell should this jerk gain any social/financial ground when he's actively voting in a way that punishes people? Fark them.

Doesn't always work though. Sometimes ya just gotta work with 'em.
 
2020-08-25 3:12:43 PM  
4 votes:
I have no idea what my friend's politics are. It's just not a subject I ever discuss, because I have zero interest. People can believe whatever stupid shiat they want, I'm not an educator.
 
2020-08-25 10:46:33 PM  
3 votes:

dickfreckle: is a Republican and she DESPISES Trump.


One of these things is a lie.
 
2020-08-25 10:03:26 PM  
3 votes:

drewogatory: alto_reed_on_a_tenor_sax: drewogatory: If you guys can figure out the geography I'll happily get ya'll a room.

Dude, there's a pandemic. This is safer.

Anyway, you must be a horn player yeah?


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I prefer "xorn player," but ya. I'm OG band nerd.
 
2020-08-25 9:18:46 PM  
3 votes:

g.fro: flondrix: g.fro: The part you bolded is in reference to the idea being pushed that the Spanish language (and I guess all other Romance language) is deficient because it has two genders. The idea that people from outside a culture trying to dictate how that culture should change to better suit the outsides, is somehow respectful, which is patently absurd.

In grad school I ran into one guy from Spain who was teaching Spanish, and whose English-speaking students were constantly objecting to the use of gender pronouns in Spanish.  This was before transgender and genderfluid pronoun issues had come to public awareness; it was over things like how one referred to a group of men and women--Spanish has grammatical rules about that.  Heaven forbid any of these students would major in anthropology and go observe another culture someday.  (The term "snowflake" was not yet in use either.)

I have heard way too many new alternative pronouns invented by English speaking people who clearly do not understand that once they venture beyond English, a new gender pronoun means also devising versions of that pronoun, along with definite and indefinite articles, for every grammatical case (and there may be a lot of them), new conjugations for every verb, etc., and revising an entire nation's textbooks accordingly.  Inventing new gender pronouns as if it were no big deal shows that one is unaware of one's Anglocentric privilege, much like the people who can't understand why other folks don't just co-operate with the police and everything will be fine.

They/them as singular pronouns have been part of English for centuries; they are not "neuter" so much as "unspecified" and should cover anybody who does not wish to be referred to a he/him or she/her.  Another thing that English lacks is gender in the first or second person, simplifying things further compared to most other languages.

/Yes, English does conjugate its verbs, but not very much, and not by gender.  Also, we don't assign gend ...


If you really want this discussion to end, you should really consider not repeatedly doubling down on your idiocy.
 
2020-08-25 9:17:55 PM  
3 votes:

g.fro: odinsposse: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: shoegaze99: g.fro: I've said "good day" once. Do I need to say "good night" now?

How about saying nothing and just walking away?

Because unless you get off on embarrassing yourself, you're doing yourself no favors by digging in.

But if it's some kink of yours, then by all means, continue. You must be building yourself up to a wild climax, because yeesh, watching this has been cringe-inducing.

I had walked away. Little-miss-gender-studies-degree got it going again.

But this is getting rather boring.

I wasn't tagging you or anything, but a discussion on why your post was dumb was and is merited.

So does that mean we're done here?

Yes, you finally get to pretend that you're just so bored of being shown you're wrong and these nerds with their pleas for you to google the basic subject you're discussing are totally defeated by your boredom.

Dude, I don't know what you think you're wining? I disagree with you idiots making up your own words. So what? I'm not going to stop you, And I'm not going to stop thinking you're idiots every time I hear someone use the word. Which so far has only been from a white person who never got any closer to a Latin person than their housekeeper. So you're free to use your made-up words, and I'm free to dismiss you.


Great job of dismissing you're doing there, man.
 
2020-08-25 9:04:36 PM  
3 votes:

odinsposse: g.fro: odinsposse: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: shoegaze99: g.fro: I've said "good day" once. Do I need to say "good night" now?

How about saying nothing and just walking away?

Because unless you get off on embarrassing yourself, you're doing yourself no favors by digging in.

But if it's some kink of yours, then by all means, continue. You must be building yourself up to a wild climax, because yeesh, watching this has been cringe-inducing.

I had walked away. Little-miss-gender-studies-degree got it going again.

But this is getting rather boring.

I wasn't tagging you or anything, but a discussion on why your post was dumb was and is merited.

So does that mean we're done here?

Yes, you finally get to pretend that you're just so bored of being shown you're wrong and these nerds with their pleas for you to google the basic subject you're discussing are totally defeated by your boredom.

Dude, I don't know what you think you're wining? I disagree with you idiots making up your own words. So what? I'm not going to stop you, And I'm not going to stop thinking you're idiots every time I hear someone use the word. Which so far has only been from a white person who never got any closer to a Latin person than their housekeeper. So you're free to use your made-up words, and I'm free to dismiss you.

I'm not winning anything. I'm having fun watching the train wreck. You have clearly demonstrated that you are angry with how language works. That's not a victory for you. It just lets everyone laugh at you when you pretend your fake rules matter when you call everyone else's rules fake. You're a failure. Your mind is incapable of comprehending the real world. You're a clown and I'm having fun poking you.


It's hard for me to overstate how entertaining I have found this to be. I started this day watching wildfire progress and being worried about my family. It's much better to end it being wildly amused by all of this.
 
2020-08-25 8:56:57 PM  
3 votes:

g.fro: I had walked away. Little-miss-gender-studies-degree got it going again.


So is it that you lack the free will to disengage or are you just so emotionally weak that you're unable to let go?

Because - and this is going to sound crazy - you totally don't have to respond. Not to them. Not to me. Not to anyone. You can do as you claimed you wanted to and just walk away.

Which would be a good idea, since your grasp on language is tenuous at best.
 
2020-08-25 8:34:00 PM  
3 votes:

dickfreckle: Not all conservatives are jerks. My ex GF (more like a common law wife) is a Republican and she DESPISES Trump. And not in the Susan Collins way. Despite me being a political junkie we didn't argue about politics much. It was understood that I was a raging liberal and that she voted for George W Bush.

We are very close friends to this day. She even flies up here at least once a year and we have a blast. But here's the thing: she isn't racist, a corona hoaxer, a maskless "mah rights!" or any of that trash that seems amplified these days. She's a wonderful girl, is all. Just happens to be a Republican.


Who did she vote for?  Who will she vote for?

If she is willing to vote for Trump, why call her wonderful?
If she is willing to vote for Biden, why call her a conservative?
If she is is voting third-party, why call her anything but a coward?
 
2020-08-25 8:29:13 PM  
3 votes:
When we used to hang out, they would drop racist comments toward me

Then how were they friends?
 
2020-08-25 8:24:57 PM  
3 votes:

g.fro: I've said "good day" once. Do I need to say "good night" now?


How about saying nothing and just walking away?

Because unless you get off on embarrassing yourself, you're doing yourself no favors by digging in.

But if it's some kink of yours, then by all means, continue. You must be building yourself up to a wild climax, because yeesh, watching this has been cringe-inducing.
 
2020-08-25 8:10:50 PM  
3 votes:

g.fro: LrdPhoenix: g.fro: Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

5 out of 6 dictionaries I just checked disagree with you.

Check a dictionary more than a few years old.


I just did - there are extra u's everywhere, and most of the s's have been replaced with f's. Was 200 years too far to go back? I figured since we're just making up goal posts at this point, didn't really matter.
 
2020-08-25 7:14:01 PM  
3 votes:

drewogatory: rosekolodny: drewogatory: rosekolodny: drewogatory: I have no idea what my friend's politics are. It's just not a subject I ever discuss, because I have zero interest. People can believe whatever stupid shiat they want, I'm not an educator.

You still have to live in the world they create.

Man, I just keep my head down and go to work and count the days until I can move to the ass end of nowhere.

OK, then I have to live in the world they create, and I would like it to be one with civil rights and healthy, well-educated people who care about each other.

Shockingly, I'm all for civil rights and a healthy educated populace.


Then please vote for politicians who will work toward those goals.
 
2020-08-25 7:06:08 PM  
3 votes:

dickfreckle: Not all conservatives are jerks


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when I see never-trumpers who were down with everything the garbage GOP has did for decades but are now trying to clear themselves from vortex of the sinking ship
 
2020-08-25 7:00:02 PM  
3 votes:

drewogatory: rosekolodny: drewogatory: I have no idea what my friend's politics are. It's just not a subject I ever discuss, because I have zero interest. People can believe whatever stupid shiat they want, I'm not an educator.

You still have to live in the world they create.

Man, I just keep my head down and go to work and count the days until I can move to the ass end of nowhere.


OK, then I have to live in the world they create, and I would like it to be one with civil rights and healthy, well-educated people who care about each other.
 
2020-08-25 6:49:51 PM  
3 votes:

Saiga410: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

I dont know who you have been hanging out with but I have yet to know a single conservative that is your strawmen.


Go to a redneck bar.  Just once.
 
2020-08-25 6:37:01 PM  
3 votes:

austerity101: One of the more refreshing things that's happened since Trump assumed office is that cishet white people have started to realize that "politics" isn't some vague concept divorced from everyday life.  They're seeing that politics informs nearly everything we do--what we eat, where we shop, what we wear, what vehicles we drive.  It affects government at all levels; it affects civil rights and judicial integrity.  It can make people value some people over others, based on things like who they love, or the color of their skin, and indeed it can make people value property over human lives.

Of course, people who aren't straight/cisgender and/or aren't white have always known this--our entire existences are political, because cishet white people ensure that they are.

The next thing we need to get through cishet white people's skulls is that, if you're going to have marginalized friends, having friends who hate those friends because of who they are makes you a selfish asshole.  Cishet whites are so used to not being affected by things like bigotry that they have a really hard time with this concept; but how can I, as a gay man, be friends with people who also have friends who think I shouldn't exist--or worse, that I should be harmed or killed?

Looking at it the other way, how can people justify being friends with homophobes?  "It doesn't affect me so I don't really care" is really, really shiatty and selfish reasoning, especially since all you're doing is excusing (and enabling) their bigotry, which affect your queer friends.  You really have to make a choice, out of respect for your marginalized friends.  I'm certainly not going to want to hang out with you if there's a chance I'm going to be stuck in a place with someone you know who hates me just because I like dudes.

Letting go of toxic friends is self care.  Letting go of bigoted friends is simply the decent thing to do.  Stop thinking just of yourself and start thinking about everyone else.


Everyone is a politician in our DNA. Everyone. Put seven unrelated people together, have them figure out a pizza order with who gets what, who pays how much and have them choose who is going to call it in.

That shiat can be more passionate and intense than electoral debate.  It's politics.

In light of scarce resources, and differing needs, how do we compromise in a public arena to get our needs met without resorting to violence?

With practice and reason you can create a non zero sum result. Everyone gets more than they would have if they came at it without negotiating.

If you're coming at politics as a criminal, or uneducated about your own needs, everyone loses. You end up with civil war.

Republicans are the latter.
 
2020-08-25 6:29:05 PM  
3 votes:

Leishu: I think it's a bit weird, because within the LGBTQIA+ spectrum, the answer of yes to Subby's question is taken as common sense. People who profess hate to queer folk are a threat to me, so they don't get to share my space if I can avoid it.

It's as simple as that. Self-preservation.


I was thinking about this, too--in a sense, queer people are somewhat "lucky," because Trumpism/Republicanism is a small minority in queer circles.  Sure, we still have a bunch of people who are racist and misogynistic and transphobic, because people are awful no matter who you are, but I feel like when I meet a queer person, there's a lot less bigoted bullshiat I have to deal with than when I meet straight people.  I can't trust straight people, especiallybecause of Trump.
 
2020-08-25 6:25:24 PM  
3 votes:

yohohogreengiant: Leishu: I think it's a bit weird, because within the LGBTQIA+ spectrum, the answer of yes to Subby's question is taken as common sense. People who profess hate to queer folk are a threat to me, so they don't get to share my space if I can avoid it.

It's as simple as that. Self-preservation.

The Republicans have outright made it their platform that they will not tolerate a future that contains people like "us", where "we" pretty much say there's room for compromise with about anything except intolerance. We cannot tolerate intolerance of others. Eventually that intolerance will be visited upon us too.

So I don't see a way to negotiate here. Nobody told the Trumper Republicans to go paint themselves into that corner. They weren't born with the ideology of fascism and Nazism. They went willingly and willingly stay there. They can simply get up and say "hey this is bullshiat, I'm out." And some even do.

But that doesn't obligate us to wait for them to come around. A lot of them will die and try to take us with them first. That's already happening.


Precisely.

To elaborate further on the implications of this, I believe that I should always do my best to give second chances for people to not be evil, within reason, but a demonstrated pattern of abuse and hate (and as such a demonstrated pattern of following republican talking points without an ounce of self-examination) will result in removal from my life because I cannot trust the individuals who demonstrate as such to not be actively harmful to me.
 
2020-08-25 6:16:05 PM  
3 votes:

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: Smelly Pirate Hooker: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: For those curious, the picture of the shrine wall is from the grandmothers house, Who until a few years ago, was a NY born, moved to FL Democrat.
That was until the Fox nation attacked. 
My Mother built the shrine for her, and helped her decorate with those oh so lovely other things. 
You'll note in the first picture, Grandpa's flag is at the bottom, it has been on the mantel for decades until my mother got her hands on it for the TRUMPINFURER Shrine. 
Then his flag went to the bottom, surrounded by Icons of a man who never served..
In the later picture, the clear one you see, its up higher now, as I lost my shiat one year and brought that subject up (Grandpa was a lifelong Democrat) 
Now its a little higher up on the shrine, still surrounded by Trump Icons. 
I haven't been back to visit my mother or grandmother in over a year and changed, The most contact Ive had was to mail them some masks.

Sorry. (._.) Sincerely. Both my parents are dead, so I don't have to hear any lunacy from either of them. Apparently, my brother (I have 2 sisters and a brother) is still on the moron train, but we don't discuss politics. If he had anything like that in his house, I'd probably avoid him, but he doesn't. I saw him this past weekend.

He doesn't have anything like that... yet... Yet.

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Well, I haven't seen the inside of his closet. Maybe he's got it in there. If he had one but was hiding it, that would indicate some awareness that having a literal shrine to literally the worst person on earth was insane. When I see any evidence of worship, like a sign in the yard or any other crap like that, yeah, I'll be avoiding him. Not that hard to do. We don't hang all that often.
 
2020-08-25 6:04:55 PM  
3 votes:

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: For those curious, the picture of the shrine wall is from the grandmothers house, Who until a few years ago, was a NY born, moved to FL Democrat.
That was until the Fox nation attacked. 
My Mother built the shrine for her, and helped her decorate with those oh so lovely other things. 
You'll note in the first picture, Grandpa's flag is at the bottom, it has been on the mantel for decades until my mother got her hands on it for the TRUMPINFURER Shrine. 
Then his flag went to the bottom, surrounded by Icons of a man who never served..
In the later picture, the clear one you see, its up higher now, as I lost my shiat one year and brought that subject up (Grandpa was a lifelong Democrat) 
Now its a little higher up on the shrine, still surrounded by Trump Icons. 
I haven't been back to visit my mother or grandmother in over a year and changed, The most contact Ive had was to mail them some masks.


Sorry. (._.) Sincerely. Both my parents are dead, so I don't have to hear any lunacy from either of them. Apparently, my brother (I have 2 sisters and a brother) is still on the moron train, but we don't discuss politics. If he had anything like that in his house, I'd probably avoid him, but he doesn't. I saw him this past weekend.
 
2020-08-25 5:55:22 PM  
3 votes:

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: I've always,always voted third party

Knew you were an asshole, and you went and confirmed it.

I'm an asshole for voting third party in California? I mean, every election is a Dem (hell, there's usually not even a Republican on the ticket for statewide elections) landslide, I'm happy to vote Green Party or whatever. It literally makes no difference. I did usually vote for Jerry Brown because I respect his work ethic though.

You know why you are a horrible person. You already told everyone in the thread.


I've voted for actual socialists, communists and probably anarchists and I'm the problem? The 2 party system is a pathetic joke, one of the more clearly obvious solutions is more parties. 2 farking parties is only 1 better than 1 farking party. Since there's zero swing risk in California, it's the perfect place to do it. Now, notice how I can disagree with you without resorting to personal attacks?
 
2020-08-25 5:54:34 PM  
3 votes:

alto_reed_on_a_tenor_sax: Actual conversation with my 14 y/o daughter last week:

Her: Why do Trump people have so many t-shirts and swag and stuff? You don't see Biden fans doing that!

Me: Well, dear heart, it's because Trumpkinism is a cult, and the swag helps muffle the cognitive dissonance, especially if it's a quality cotton with a respectable thread count.

Her: Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought, I was just checking.


Yep, exactly right. What we are seeing is not normal. This is not how normal people support politicians.

It sucks because even if Biden wins in November, we'll be far from through this. It's going to take a long time to rebuild and heal, and since there would likely to be a woman of color running in 2024 if Biden wins, there is a solid chance we flip right back to Trumpism.

I fear even a Biden win will only be a brief respite from it.
 
2020-08-25 5:50:16 PM  
3 votes:

Excelsior: In that case, you shouldn't use it for anyone.
Only 2% of hispanic people polled identify with 'latinx', the other 98% reject it:   https://reason.com/2019/11/04/latinx-​poll-think-now-hispanics-2020-woke/


Why? It takes me virtually no effort and shows respect for those who choose to be identified as such. I could definitely recognize an argument that I shouldn't leadwith it - It happens that the majority of people of those cultures that I associate with do choose to be IDed by the term in question - but I don't see "2 percent of this culture chooses to be IDed by this name" as rationale for never using that name.
 
2020-08-25 5:48:14 PM  
3 votes:

drewogatory: rosekolodny: drewogatory: I have no idea what my friend's politics are. It's just not a subject I ever discuss, because I have zero interest. People can believe whatever stupid shiat they want, I'm not an educator.

You still have to live in the world they create.

Man, I just keep my head down and go to work and count the days until I can move to the ass end of nowhere.


I'm here, it's pretty cool, just make sure you don't need to work a job after you get here. I do, it's tough.
 
2020-08-25 5:26:59 PM  
3 votes:

g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

Prescriptivists are funny, and stupid.

So are people who make up words.

Try to be better than them.

All words are made up.

Wow, you're just so clever. So has your junior high started classes again yet?

By the way, don't be surprised when no one takes you seriously in the future. I tried to help you, but if you want to signal to others that you are as gullible as the people in red-hats, that's up to you.


Hey, it's a perfectly cromulent point of view.
 
2020-08-25 5:13:17 PM  
3 votes:

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: I have no idea what my friend's politics are. It's just not a subject I ever discuss, because I have zero interest. People can believe whatever stupid shiat they want, I'm not an educator.

Translation: I live in such a place and position of privilege that my friends politics, and politics in general is of no concern to me, I know I'll always be ok, and I don't care about anyone who isn't. They aren't people unless I know them personally and they somehow matter to me.


That's my motto.  People I don't know are just a vague amalgam of boobs and douchebags.
 
2020-08-25 5:05:01 PM  
3 votes:

dickfreckle: Not all conservatives are jerks. My ex GF (more like a common law wife) is a Republican and she DESPISES Trump. And not in the Susan Collins way. Despite me being a political junkie we didn't argue about politics much. It was understood that I was a raging liberal and that she voted for George W Bush.

We are very close friends to this day. She even flies up here at least once a year and we have a blast. But here's the thing: she isn't racist, a corona hoaxer, a maskless "mah rights!" or any of that trash that seems amplified these days. She's a wonderful girl, is all. Just happens to be a Republican. I think she's deluding herself but it's really none of my business unless she brings it up.

BUT: If your so-called friends are talking Trump-style crap, then yes, ditch them. It's a poison I'll have no part of. I can't be around it even online, much less in person.


Trump is a logical culmination of the Republican Party. If she's a small government low taxes type, she's more likely a libertarian.
 
2020-08-25 4:58:10 PM  
3 votes:
They are Trump supporters, make racist comments,

Well there's your answer, right in your question.
 
2020-08-25 4:47:23 PM  
3 votes:

Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

Prescriptivists are funny, and stupid.

So are people who make up words.

Try to be better than them.

All words are made up.


Wow, you're just so clever. So has your junior high started classes again yet?

By the way, don't be surprised when no one takes you seriously in the future. I tried to help you, but if you want to signal to others that you are as gullible as the people in red-hats, that's up to you.
 
2020-08-25 4:43:25 PM  
3 votes:
Difficulty: not friends - they're generally more left-leaning even than myself - but family :(

/ Father is a long-time "Democrats are the real racists" Republican
// Mother was saner, but a year or so ago began to voice her agreement with Nigel Farrage, and a week or so ago opined that New York needed a strong mayor again, "like Rudy Giuliani"
 
2020-08-26 7:45:43 AM  
2 votes:
I guess I've sort of PRE-shunned these slugs by not knowing any Rapethuglicants in the first place. I won't be even casual acquaintances with a MAGAt, let alone friends.

I don't have Facebook or Twitter and I don't want them.

All of our families are dead except for hubby's sister, with whom we don't have much contact anyway because we severely dislike her husband and it's best for that man's continued health if my husband stays away from him.

Hubby doesn't know any of them, either, and the one person at work he found out was a MAGAt in casual conversation, the guy fills the vending machines and they happened to meet there one afternoon, he's avoided ever since.

As for in the wild, I never leave the house since COVID and hubby only goes to work and the grocery store/gas station and he says that everyone is always wearing masks, so our area must be free from MAGAs generally. Oh! There was one woman at the grocery store last weekend that he said wasn't wearing a mask in the store and he kept well away from her. I'm kind of annoyed that the store didn't kick her out. We may need to shop at another store if it happens again.
 
2020-08-25 11:44:06 PM  
2 votes:
Done. Quite a while ago.

/Dolts.
 
2020-08-25 11:25:01 PM  
2 votes:

flondrix: odinsposse: State_College_Arsonist: flondrix: State_College_Arsonist: If you stop being friends with someone simply because they're a Republican or a Democrat, you're just an asshole.  That's all there is to it, it's an easy rule to live by.

FTFA:  "When we used to hang out, they would drop racist comments toward me (I am Asian) and say it was just a joke, or do things we don't approve of (steal, tread off trail), or now they find us ridiculous to be social distancing."

This couple has their 10 year old daughter to think about, too.

If you think that all Republicans, and only Republicans, are racists, then you are an idiot.

They should stop supporting racists then. That would help a lot.

They're making it really, really hard to prove otherwise:

An RNC speaker set to appear tonight urged her supporters to research an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory about a global Jewish plot to enslave the "goyim."


Jesus f*ck.
 
2020-08-25 9:06:02 PM  
2 votes:

Leishu: odinsposse: g.fro: odinsposse: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: shoegaze99: g.fro: I've said "good day" once. Do I need to say "good night" now?

How about saying nothing and just walking away?

Because unless you get off on embarrassing yourself, you're doing yourself no favors by digging in.

But if it's some kink of yours, then by all means, continue. You must be building yourself up to a wild climax, because yeesh, watching this has been cringe-inducing.

I had walked away. Little-miss-gender-studies-degree got it going again.

But this is getting rather boring.

I wasn't tagging you or anything, but a discussion on why your post was dumb was and is merited.

So does that mean we're done here?

Yes, you finally get to pretend that you're just so bored of being shown you're wrong and these nerds with their pleas for you to google the basic subject you're discussing are totally defeated by your boredom.

Dude, I don't know what you think you're wining? I disagree with you idiots making up your own words. So what? I'm not going to stop you, And I'm not going to stop thinking you're idiots every time I hear someone use the word. Which so far has only been from a white person who never got any closer to a Latin person than their housekeeper. So you're free to use your made-up words, and I'm free to dismiss you.

I'm not winning anything. I'm having fun watching the train wreck. You have clearly demonstrated that you are angry with how language works. That's not a victory for you. It just lets everyone laugh at you when you pretend your fake rules matter when you call everyone else's rules fake. You're a failure. Your mind is incapable of comprehending the real world. You're a clown and I'm having fun poking you.

It's hard for me to overstate how entertaining I have found this to be. I started this day watching wildfire progress and being worried about my family. It's much better to end it being wildly amused by all of this.


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2020-08-25 8:58:55 PM  
2 votes:

Leishu: Which so far has only been from a white person who never got any closer to a Latin person than their housekeeper.


I am a mixed race person with latinx family members. This argument is fallacious, and I think you know that.
 
2020-08-25 8:56:55 PM  
2 votes:
I don't want to tag you again, as that appears to trigger you specifically, so provided you quit sniping at me sidelong, I think it's fair to say we are done.
 
2020-08-25 8:09:19 PM  
2 votes:
Wait I have lackeys? Is this a Tf thing? I never had lackeys before. Lame.
 
2020-08-25 6:48:30 PM  
2 votes:

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: Some people have gone full Tribal. They can never be brought back. Ever. 

This is something we have to accept. I've lost family. No amount of facts will bring my family back from this. 

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They blew $49.99+ s&h for an idiotic trumpie bear?  WTF?
 
2020-08-25 6:37:53 PM  
2 votes:
Ask a trump supporter if he has ever made a mistake and make sure to point out that nobody is perfect.  Watch them struggle to divide by zero.
 
2020-08-25 6:15:38 PM  
2 votes:

Leishu: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

About as much as people should tolerate "Latinx"

So... using respectful language to describe people is just as bad as putting children in cages?

You seem to have a... rather big truncation problem in your priorities.


The level of tolerance should be none for both.

We've had threads over this. The only people using the term seem to be NPR and white people. Anecdotally I've never heard any Hispanic people think it's a better term. They usually laugh and ask what kind of honky shiat is that? Maybe I need to ask more ladies. I don't know. One thing is clear, when this state goes Hispanic majority in a few short years, it will be fun watching heads explode and pearls clutched at the perceived loss of "identity". Which means white identity.

Anyway, I'm on your side and this moment in pedantry brought to you by no one.
 
2020-08-25 6:11:55 PM  
2 votes:

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: It is your obligation to do so.


can anyone code an algorithm for this:

there can only be two reasons why you are a Republican/Trumper Fan:

1) you are a trust fund baby and/or someone who is living large off the current corrupt sytem and want that system to continue, for obvious reasons.

and/or


2) you are dumb.
 
2020-08-25 5:56:05 PM  
2 votes:

shoegaze99: alto_reed_on_a_tenor_sax: Actual conversation with my 14 y/o daughter last week:

Her: Why do Trump people have so many t-shirts and swag and stuff? You don't see Biden fans doing that!

Me: Well, dear heart, it's because Trumpkinism is a cult, and the swag helps muffle the cognitive dissonance, especially if it's a quality cotton with a respectable thread count.

Her: Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought, I was just checking.

Yep, exactly right. What we are seeing is not normal. This is not how normal people support politicians.

It sucks because even if Biden wins in November, we'll be far from through this. It's going to take a long time to rebuild and heal, and since there would likely to be a woman of color running in 2024 if Biden wins, there is a solid chance we flip right back to Trumpism.

I fear even a Biden win will only be a brief respite from it.


Especially when one considers that they have no desire or intentions to rebuild and heal in the slightesr, at all, whatsoever.
 
2020-08-25 5:55:36 PM  
2 votes:
I have. I think you should, too.
 
2020-08-25 5:47:26 PM  
2 votes:

Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

Prescriptivists are funny, and stupid.

So are people who make up words.

Try to be better than them.

All words are made up.

Wow, you're just so clever. So has your junior high started classes again yet?

By the way, don't be surprised when no one takes you seriously in the future. I tried to help you, but if you want to signal to others that you are as gullible as the people in red-hats, that's up to you.

Actually, I have an advanced degree in the topic.

But, y'know, you can keep hiding your head in the sand while culture and therefore language continue to change around you.


Im surrounded by Hispanic people every day. The only place I hear "Latinx" is on NPR.

A different thread.

Carry on.
 
2020-08-25 5:47:10 PM  
2 votes:

Leishu: I will gladly refer to you as Latina (I am awful with names, so you may need to remind me if I use Latinx to describe you, but I will make an effort). The intention is 100 percent to respect what people wish to be called, and if you don't want to be called that, I don't want to use it for you.


In that case, you shouldn't use it for anyone.
Only 2% of hispanic people polled identify with 'latinx', the other 98% reject it:   https://reason.com/2019/11/04/latinx​-p​oll-think-now-hispanics-2020-woke/
 
2020-08-25 5:39:17 PM  
2 votes:

PunGent: Conservative?  No.

Trumpers?  Hell, yes.

There's nothing conservative about Trumpism.


Hand. In. Hand.
 
2020-08-25 5:26:35 PM  
2 votes:

Leishu: g.fro: I tried to help you, but if you want to signal to others that you are as gullible as the people in red-hats, that's up to you.

Also. Hey guys. I found the never Trumper republican in the thread.

Using language that is respectful to people = Gullibility.

Okay, karen.


Thanks for that. I was wondering who it was.
 
2020-08-25 5:23:05 PM  
2 votes:

gonegirl: Maybe you'll get lucky and won't have to dump them at all: One of the Trumpers in my parents' friend circle (who I grew up fearing and hating) dropped dead of Covid. It felt wonderful.


Jealous.
 
2020-08-25 5:12:29 PM  
2 votes:

drewogatory: I have no idea what my friend's politics are.


I talk politics with my friends, and I still have more than one.
 
2020-08-25 5:08:27 PM  
2 votes:

sleze: Difficulty:  Parents are Trumpists


I see you've met my wife. God knows what happens next in that relationship. I'm trying to keep out of it.
 
2020-08-25 5:06:38 PM  
2 votes:

fiddlehead: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: gunga galunga: OrionXVI: gunga galunga: I dumped them all.

All that's left is my mother and my brother. I can't dump them.

Fortunately, they know not to bring up Trump while I am around.

Brothers you can.  I've had to (2 in my case; they've gone full banjo).  Mothers may be harder to dump.

Last time my brother and I discussed politics was before Trump. He took issue with my Facebook page (which I have since quit, for good) and called me up to tell me that I was letting the liberal media tell me what to think. I gave it back to him with both barrels saying that I found that insulting that the implication was that I was too stupid to form my own thoughts or ideas. Also adding, "and by the way, what are your farking unimpeachable sources of information". Since the answer to that question would have been Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, he changed the subject and we've never discussed politics since.

However, I do know from my brother-in-law, whose mother is Facebook friends with my brother's wife, that my brother got a Donald Trump birthday cake for his 50th.

He would have given me no end of shiat if I were ever to have gotten a Obama or a Hillary Clinton birthday cake, and he'd be right to do so. But as long as he is not bringing up politics, neither will I.

You should bring up the birthday cake every year from now on. What is he, five? How farking pathetic, even if Trump wasn't a vile pack of pus.

GIS "Trump cake"

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Enjoy your nightmares.

/Is his head cream-filled?


Cream filled? Probably spiders.
 
2020-08-25 4:58:08 PM  
2 votes:

Porous Horace: Pro-Trump is Anti-Me (and a whole lotta others), so yes.


Yeah, but isn't it your own fault for being one of the many groups of people that Republicans clearly want to eliminate? Just be cool and meet them halfway by only existing a little bit.
 
2020-08-25 4:50:44 PM  
2 votes:

RobotSpider: True story:

I'm thinking of having an addition put on my garage to build a workshop. Someone down the road is having the exact same thing done right now. I don't know them, but was going to stop and say "hey, who are you using, what restrictions are there, etc." Driving by one day I saw a Trump 2020 sign in their yard and thought "nah, I'll just call around to contractors". I hate that I made that decision based on that. But this is so far beyond just "party politics" at this point. If it was ONLY "politics", it'd be fine. We can disagree all day. But the conspiracies and threats and lies and stoking the flames of fear... it's all just too much. I don't want anything to do with someone who supports that. Which, now that I think about it, will make it hard to find a contractor.


Don't sweat it. They probably hired their current contractor because of a Jesus fish in the Yellow Pages ad.
"This guy won't fark us over, he has a Jesus fish!"
 
2020-08-25 4:48:35 PM  
2 votes:

Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?


You heard the person, it's wrong of you to stop hanging out with bigots.  The only acceptable people to cut from your life are addicts who need your help the most.  Those people can get bent.
 
2020-08-25 4:44:23 PM  
2 votes:

Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

Prescriptivists are funny, and stupid.


So are people who make up words.

Try to be better than them.
 
2020-08-25 4:38:29 PM  
2 votes:

gunga galunga: I dumped them all.

All that's left is my mother and my brother. I can't dump them.

Fortunately, they know not to bring up Trump while I am around.


Brothers you can.  I've had to (2 in my case; they've gone full banjo).  Mothers may be harder to dump.
 
2020-08-26 5:02:20 PM  
1 vote:

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: There is no coming back. 

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I know this is late to the thread, but I wanted to tell you that, after you posted these before in another thread, I got up and told my mom (65 this year and living with my daughter and me) how glad I was that she wasn't a farking nutroll. We don't always agree exactly politically about every issue, but she is in general as or more liberal than I am, and I am so glad she is not like this. I don't know what I'd do if she was, and I am deeply, truly sorry you have to deal with all of that.
 
2020-08-25 10:35:46 PM  
1 vote:

flondrix: They/them as singular pronouns have been part of English for centuries; they are not "neuter" so much as "unspecified" and should cover anybody who does not wish to be referred to a he/him or she/her.  Another thing that English lacks is gender in the first or second person, simplifying things further compared to most other languages.


It fries my brain when I see this applied to one individual.
 
2020-08-25 9:53:43 PM  
1 vote:

flondrix: State_College_Arsonist: If you stop being friends with someone simply because they're a Republican or a Democrat, you're just an asshole.  That's all there is to it, it's an easy rule to live by.

FTFA:  "When we used to hang out, they would drop racist comments toward me (I am Asian) and say it was just a joke, or do things we don't approve of (steal, tread off trail), or now they find us ridiculous to be social distancing."

This couple has their 10 year old daughter to think about, too.


If you think that all Republicans, and only Republicans, are racists, then you are an idiot.
 
2020-08-25 9:47:47 PM  
1 vote:

State_College_Arsonist: If you stop being friends with someone simply because they're a Republican or a Democrat, you're just an asshole.  That's all there is to it, it's an easy rule to live by.


FTFA:  "When we used to hang out, they would drop racist comments toward me (I am Asian) and say it was just a joke, or do things we don't approve of (steal, tread off trail), or now they find us ridiculous to be social distancing."

This couple has their 10 year old daughter to think about, too.
 
2020-08-25 8:31:21 PM  
1 vote:
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2020-08-25 8:17:49 PM  
1 vote:

alto_reed_on_a_tenor_sax: I will concede the point that just using the word "Latin" could circumvent much  of this debate, and shouldn't offend anybody except maybe ancient Romans.


I accept that.
 
2020-08-25 8:17:15 PM  
1 vote:
I will concede the point that just using the word "Latin" could circumvent much  of this debate, and shouldn't offend anybody except maybe ancient Romans.
 
2020-08-25 8:09:41 PM  
1 vote:

Petey4335: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Petey4335: Combustion: Yep. I dumped an entire family. Feels great, actually.

CSB

A couple years ago went to a fiend's wedding.  Another friend and his wife were invited too because, we were all friends at one point and the newlyweds bought a house a few blocks away from them. The 'what was at one time 2 people in our friends circle that we knew were very republican leaning' slid way way down into Trumperville. No one sat by them. No one really talked to them besides a 'hi'. Just shunned from most of us.

The Trumper couple left not long after dinner. The rest of us had a fun night of drinkin' and dancing celebrating the newlyweds.

I haven't been in contact with the ex-friends since. Very freeing. I don't think anyone else does anymore.

/CSB

How did you all find out they had gone full Trumper? Did they bring it up?

FB posts.


Nice. And everyone shunned them?
 
2020-08-25 7:42:55 PM  
1 vote:

cocozilla: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: I've always,always voted third party

Knew you were an asshole, and you went and confirmed it.

Voting third party in anything other than a very local race is like masturbating in the voting booth. you may feel better, but nobody else enjoys anything, and you just leave a mess for somebody else to clean up. It's a supremely stupid selfish act from people who can't see anything other than their own precious ego.


So you'd prefer things to be less representational? Maybe everything should be just the way you want it?
 
2020-08-25 7:37:47 PM  
1 vote:

g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: LrdPhoenix: g.fro: Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

5 out of 6 dictionaries I just checked disagree with you.

Check a dictionary more than a few years old.

Are you just not at all aware of the point of dictionaries?

I was trying not to reply to you.

I reject whatever you want to call your philosophy that words which are artificially created are as cromulent as words which evolve naturally.

All words, once again, are artificially created. People find a thing they need to describ, and people create a word for it. That is how language works.

Yes. It even happens when a word already exists for a thing. We have a word for that too, and it doesn't make anything not-a-word.

You might want to look up "natural language". Your "all words are made up" is stupid and childish.


You see liberals language isn't whatever you arbitrarily decide it is. It's whatever I arbitrarily decide it is. Boom! Destroyed with facts and logic!
 
2020-08-25 7:15:47 PM  
1 vote:

LrdPhoenix: g.fro: Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

5 out of 6 dictionaries I just checked disagree with you.


I was trying to avoid linking them, because as an antiprescriptivist it felt a bit silly for me to reference dictionaries to prove a word is valid, so I'm glad you referenced them instead - haha.
 
2020-08-25 7:14:57 PM  
1 vote:

LrdPhoenix: g.fro: Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

5 out of 6 dictionaries I just checked disagree with you.


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2020-08-25 7:10:13 PM  
1 vote:

austerity101: One of the more refreshing things that's happened since Trump assumed office is that cishet white people have started to realize that "politics" isn't some vague concept divorced from everyday life.  They're seeing that politics informs nearly everything we do--what we eat, where we shop, what we wear, what vehicles we drive.  It affects government at all levels; it affects civil rights and judicial integrity.  It can make people value some people over others, based on things like who they love, or the color of their skin, and indeed it can make people value property over human lives.

Of course, people who aren't straight/cisgender and/or aren't white have always known this--our entire existences are political, because cishet white people ensure that they are.

The next thing we need to get through cishet white people's skulls is that, if you're going to have marginalized friends, having friends who hate those friends because of who they are makes you a selfish asshole.  Cishet whites are so used to not being affected by things like bigotry that they have a really hard time with this concept; but how can I, as a gay man, be friends with people who also have friends who think I shouldn't exist--or worse, that I should be harmed or killed?

Looking at it the other way, how can people justify being friends with homophobes?  "It doesn't affect me so I don't really care" is really, really shiatty and selfish reasoning, especially since all you're doing is excusing (and enabling) their bigotry, which affect your queer friends.  You really have to make a choice, out of respect for your marginalized friends.  I'm certainly not going to want to hang out with you if there's a chance I'm going to be stuck in a place with someone you know who hates me just because I like dudes.

Letting go of toxic friends is self care.  Letting go of bigoted friends is simply the decent thing to do.  Stop thinking just of yourself and start thinking about everyone else.


John Cena Love Has No Labels "We Are America"
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2020-08-25 7:00:18 PM  
1 vote:
Yes. It's a way to stay sane
 
2020-08-25 6:57:29 PM  
1 vote:
JustToLetYouKnowFriend:
May your friend accept and acknowledge hes mad a horrible mistake. 

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Brother, but (shrug). He nearly died last year and is slowly recovering from various ailments. He's never been  shouty about politics. He'll make jokes and discuss various issues of the day, but isn't a dick about it. So far.
 
2020-08-25 6:42:37 PM  
1 vote:

fiddlehead: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: gunga galunga: OrionXVI: gunga galunga: I dumped them all.

All that's left is my mother and my brother. I can't dump them.

Fortunately, they know not to bring up Trump while I am around.

Brothers you can.  I've had to (2 in my case; they've gone full banjo).  Mothers may be harder to dump.

Last time my brother and I discussed politics was before Trump. He took issue with my Facebook page (which I have since quit, for good) and called me up to tell me that I was letting the liberal media tell me what to think. I gave it back to him with both barrels saying that I found that insulting that the implication was that I was too stupid to form my own thoughts or ideas. Also adding, "and by the way, what are your farking unimpeachable sources of information". Since the answer to that question would have been Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, he changed the subject and we've never discussed politics since.

However, I do know from my brother-in-law, whose mother is Facebook friends with my brother's wife, that my brother got a Donald Trump birthday cake for his 50th.

He would have given me no end of shiat if I were ever to have gotten a Obama or a Hillary Clinton birthday cake, and he'd be right to do so. But as long as he is not bringing up politics, neither will I.

You should bring up the birthday cake every year from now on. What is he, five? How farking pathetic, even if Trump wasn't a vile pack of pus.

GIS "Trump cake"

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Enjoy your nightmares.

/Is his head cream-filled?


Gawd what a hideous cake.
 
2020-08-25 6:32:35 PM  
1 vote:

AsparagusFTW: dickfreckle: Not all conservatives are jerks. My ex GF (more like a common law wife) is a Republican and she DESPISES Trump. And not in the Susan Collins way. Despite me being a political junkie we didn't argue about politics much. It was understood that I was a raging liberal and that she voted for George W Bush.

We are very close friends to this day. She even flies up here at least once a year and we have a blast. But here's the thing: she isn't racist, a corona hoaxer, a maskless "mah rights!" or any of that trash that seems amplified these days. She's a wonderful girl, is all. Just happens to be a Republican. I think she's deluding herself but it's really none of my business unless she brings it up.

BUT: If your so-called friends are talking Trump-style crap, then yes, ditch them. It's a poison I'll have no part of. I can't be around it even online, much less in person.

So she flies up once a year for a weekend of dickfreckle?


Lol yes. She got married and he turned out to be a jerk. She travels often for business and just adds a bonus flight to New Orleans and he's none the wiser. But we've always had a lot of fun together. I met her 20 years ago and our bond is very strong. Heck, when I see her I feel like the same young man I was on our first date. We have a huge history. But it's not every year. Only when I'm single, which happens a lot because I'm "emotionally unavailable." So when the timing is right she takes a detour here.
 
2020-08-25 6:30:50 PM  
1 vote:

KingOfTown: theknuckler_33: I have a very close friend of about 37 years. A friend who went to a different school that lived in the neighborhood of another friend I knew from my Catholic HS.  He's as conservative as you can imagine. Young Earth Creationist Evangelical ... 'nuf said.  We were friends for a year or two when somehow the story of Noah's Arc came up and he informed me that he believed it to be literal history.

He spent many years as a "backslider", dealing meth, smoking weed, and partying, so even though I wasn't too into the meth back then, we spent many of our 20's years hanging out (not only because of the partying) and then he was 'born again', met a girl at his church and got married. I was part of the wedding party, but on wedding day, it was clear that I was eyed with great suspicion.

Anyway, that was over 20 years ago and while I don't see him often these days, we are still in close contact. We play golf maybe once a year, take in a Sixers game here and there and we even took a trip to Europe a few years ago. He's a great guy and I love him and I'm sure he loves me. But over the years, with a few exceptions, we've learned to just not talk about politics.

I was able to take that Europe trip only because his job has taken him all over the world such that he had so many travel miles that he offered to cover my trans-Atlantic airfare (both ways)...  flights between e.g. Amsterdam and Rome were cheap AF!  But without a hint of self-awareness, he told me that when he is traveling for work, he always declares that he is Canadian to the locals (merchants, cab drivers, hotel workers, etc).  We had a weird experience in a cab (Uber?  I forget) in Dublin when the driver asked us about Trump. Seemed clear to me that he expected us to be of like mind seemed genuinely confused when my buddy expressed his support while I called Trump an idiot.  I think he was amazed that we could express those thoughts in front of each other and still be civil.

Anyway, that's a farking long-ass story to say that it is possible to be friends with a Trumper.  I don't think I could make a new friend with a Trumper. But I've known this man for over 30 years and we have a long history of experiences and memories that I think well outweigh our political differences.   If I had long friendships with Trumpers where I was able to look past their politics, meaning that there is an unspoken agreement to avoid politics in casual conversation/situations, I can keep those friendships with no problem.


Hey, if someone's price to continue rubbing elbows with fascists is a European vacation, then they're just a more expensive whore than most.

/I don't see how you thought posting this was a good idea

Based on their behavior in other threads, they seem to have a lot more vitriol available for progressives than for Trumpers.  That's awfully telling.
 
2020-08-25 6:24:37 PM  
1 vote:
We've had threads over this. The only people using the term seem to be NPR and white people. Anecdotally I've never heard any Hispanic people think it's a better term. They usually laugh and ask what kind of honky shiat is that?

I've worked labor in Santa Ana for 10 years never hear anyone use it ever. Everyone is all about where they are from, there's no interest in being under a big umbrella.
 
2020-08-25 6:23:53 PM  
1 vote:

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Petey4335: Combustion: Yep. I dumped an entire family. Feels great, actually.

CSB

A couple years ago went to a fiend's wedding.  Another friend and his wife were invited too because, we were all friends at one point and the newlyweds bought a house a few blocks away from them. The 'what was at one time 2 people in our friends circle that we knew were very republican leaning' slid way way down into Trumperville. No one sat by them. No one really talked to them besides a 'hi'. Just shunned from most of us.

The Trumper couple left not long after dinner. The rest of us had a fun night of drinkin' and dancing celebrating the newlyweds.

I haven't been in contact with the ex-friends since. Very freeing. I don't think anyone else does anymore.

/CSB

How did you all find out they had gone full Trumper? Did they bring it up?


FB posts.
 
2020-08-25 6:18:07 PM  
1 vote:

White_Scarf_Syndrome: Leishu: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

About as much as people should tolerate "Latinx"

So... using respectful language to describe people is just as bad as putting children in cages?

You seem to have a... rather big truncation problem in your priorities.

The level of tolerance should be none for both.

We've had threads over this. The only people using the term seem to be NPR and white people. Anecdotally I've never heard any Hispanic people think it's a better term. They usually laugh and ask what kind of honky shiat is that? Maybe I need to ask more ladies. I don't know. One thing is clear, when this state goes Hispanic majority in a few short years, it will be fun watching heads explode and pearls clutched at the perceived loss of "identity". Which means white identity.

Anyway, I'm on your side and this moment in pedantry brought to you by no one.


I don't have a problem using the more traditional term here. I just want to respect people. In this particular case that's all that matters to me.
 
2020-08-25 6:13:42 PM  
1 vote:

drewogatory: Leishu: drewogatory: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: I've always,always voted third party

Knew you were an asshole, and you went and confirmed it.

I'm an asshole for voting third party in California? I mean, every election is a Dem (hell, there's usually not even a Republican on the ticket for statewide elections) landslide, I'm happy to vote Green Party or whatever. It literally makes no difference. I did usually vote for Jerry Brown because I respect his work ethic though.

You know why you are a horrible person. You already told everyone in the thread.

I've voted for actual socialists, communists and probably anarchists and I'm the problem? The 2 party system is a pathetic joke, one of the more clearly obvious solutions is more parties. 2 farking parties is only 1 better than 1 farking party. Since there's zero swing risk in California, it's the perfect place to do it. Now, notice how I can disagree with you without resorting to personal attacks?

If I may: Do you believe that people in swing states should not be voting third party, then?

I have my opinions on this, but this is definitely a matter in which I find myself constantly questioning my own views.

Gotta vote your conscience. It's just easier here in California. I don't actually agree with either party so I'm not really torn. I believe in a much more pragmatic form of government in general. If I lived somewhere I could cock block Trump though, I certainly would.


Thank you for elaborating.
 
2020-08-25 6:13:03 PM  
1 vote:

Leishu: drewogatory: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: I've always,always voted third party

Knew you were an asshole, and you went and confirmed it.

I'm an asshole for voting third party in California? I mean, every election is a Dem (hell, there's usually not even a Republican on the ticket for statewide elections) landslide, I'm happy to vote Green Party or whatever. It literally makes no difference. I did usually vote for Jerry Brown because I respect his work ethic though.

You know why you are a horrible person. You already told everyone in the thread.

I've voted for actual socialists, communists and probably anarchists and I'm the problem? The 2 party system is a pathetic joke, one of the more clearly obvious solutions is more parties. 2 farking parties is only 1 better than 1 farking party. Since there's zero swing risk in California, it's the perfect place to do it. Now, notice how I can disagree with you without resorting to personal attacks?

If I may: Do you believe that people in swing states should not be voting third party, then?

I have my opinions on this, but this is definitely a matter in which I find myself constantly questioning my own views.


Gotta vote your conscience. It's just easier here in California. I don't actually agree with either party so I'm not really torn. I believe in a much more pragmatic form of government in general. If I lived somewhere I could cock block Trump though, I certainly would.
 
2020-08-25 6:07:53 PM  
1 vote:

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: I've always,always voted third party

Knew you were an asshole, and you went and confirmed it.

I'm an asshole for voting third party in California? I mean, every election is a Dem (hell, there's usually not even a Republican on the ticket for statewide elections) landslide, I'm happy to vote Green Party or whatever. It literally makes no difference. I did usually vote for Jerry Brown because I respect his work ethic though.

You know why you are a horrible person. You already told everyone in the thread.

I've voted for actual socialists, communists and probably anarchists and I'm the problem? The 2 party system is a pathetic joke, one of the more clearly obvious solutions is more parties. 2 farking parties is only 1 better than 1 farking party. Since there's zero swing risk in California, it's the perfect place to do it. Now, notice how I can disagree with you without resorting to personal attacks?

You know why.


Did we date?
 
2020-08-25 6:07:09 PM  
1 vote:

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: PunGent: Conservative?  No.

Trumpers?  Hell, yes.

There's nothing conservative about Trumpism.

They're completely the same.


Nuhuh, conservatives know not to say the quiet part out loud.
 
2020-08-25 5:59:35 PM  
1 vote:

yohohogreengiant: I did don't Esperanto


[insert joke about what Esperanto does to your brain]
 
2020-08-25 5:58:03 PM  
1 vote:
I have a very close friend of about 37 years. A friend who went to a different school that lived in the neighborhood of another friend I knew from my Catholic HS.  He's as conservative as you can imagine. Young Earth Creationist Evangelical ... 'nuf said.  We were friends for a year or two when somehow the story of Noah's Arc came up and he informed me that he believed it to be literal history.

He spent many years as a "backslider", dealing meth, smoking weed, and partying, so even though I wasn't too into the meth back then, we spent many of our 20's years hanging out (not only because of the partying) and then he was 'born again', met a girl at his church and got married. I was part of the wedding party, but on wedding day, it was clear that I was eyed with great suspicion.

Anyway, that was over 20 years ago and while I don't see him often these days, we are still in close contact. We play golf maybe once a year, take in a Sixers game here and there and we even took a trip to Europe a few years ago. He's a great guy and I love him and I'm sure he loves me. But over the years, with a few exceptions, we've learned to just not talk about politics.

I was able to take that Europe trip only because his job has taken him all over the world such that he had so many travel miles that he offered to cover my trans-Atlantic airfare (both ways)...  flights between e.g. Amsterdam and Rome were cheap AF!  But without a hint of self-awareness, he told me that when he is traveling for work, he always declares that he is Canadian to the locals (merchants, cab drivers, hotel workers, etc).  We had a weird experience in a cab (Uber?  I forget) in Dublin when the driver asked us about Trump. Seemed clear to me that he expected us to be of like mind seemed genuinely confused when my buddy expressed his support while I called Trump an idiot.  I think he was amazed that we could express those thoughts in front of each other and still be civil.

Anyway, that's a farking long-ass story to say that it is possible to be friends with a Trumper.  I don't think I could make a new friend with a Trumper. But I've known this man for over 30 years and we have a long history of experiences and memories that I think well outweigh our political differences.   If I had long friendships with Trumpers where I was able to look past their politics, meaning that there is an unspoken agreement to avoid politics in casual conversation/situations, I can keep those friendships with no problem.
 
2020-08-25 5:57:52 PM  
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drewogatory: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: I've always,always voted third party

Knew you were an asshole, and you went and confirmed it.

I'm an asshole for voting third party in California? I mean, every election is a Dem (hell, there's usually not even a Republican on the ticket for statewide elections) landslide, I'm happy to vote Green Party or whatever. It literally makes no difference. I did usually vote for Jerry Brown because I respect his work ethic though.

You know why you are a horrible person. You already told everyone in the thread.

I've voted for actual socialists, communists and probably anarchists and I'm the problem? The 2 party system is a pathetic joke, one of the more clearly obvious solutions is more parties. 2 farking parties is only 1 better than 1 farking party. Since there's zero swing risk in California, it's the perfect place to do it. Now, notice how I can disagree with you without resorting to personal attacks?


You know why.
 
2020-08-25 5:50:11 PM  
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2020-08-25 5:47:15 PM  
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rat_creature: Needlessly Complicated: You know what? I'm Latina. I detest the word "Latinx."

I was introduced to 'Latinx' by way of a Puerto Rican friend of mine. Since I'm nonbinary, and she has a nonbinary sibling, I thought it made sense.

/eh, different strokes, I guess?


I'm in PR speak Spanish (poorly) have spoken Spanish (poorly) all my adult life, totally respect the language gender issue for nonbinary Spanish speakers (or French, German, any) using Latinx for identity or orientation or gender. I get it, I STFU, don't question it. It's a really stupid thing to argue about, especially when you didn't farking have it as your first language anyway and doubly if you're cisgendered.

I will not use Latinx, because I'm unsure of appropriation. I can say "Black" or "African American" but since I've been alive those have been acceptable terms to the people who are described by them in my native language.  I'm not on the same footing with Latinx, but when I am, I will. No problem.

Thing here: all languages are artifacts they can change dramatically in short periods of time and don't be a dick trying to pedantically use a word that will cause someone (especially minorites) needless pain or misunderstanding when you can just say something farking else and still be understood.
 
2020-08-25 5:45:59 PM  
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JustToLetYouKnowFriend: There is no coming back. 

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2020-08-25 5:43:38 PM  
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sleze: Difficulty:  Parents are Trumpists


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2020-08-25 5:42:26 PM  
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alto_reed_on_a_tenor_sax: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

Prescriptivists are funny, and stupid.

So are people who make up words.

Try to be better than them.

All words are made up.

Wow, you're just so clever. So has your junior high started classes again yet?

By the way, don't be surprised when no one takes you seriously in the future. I tried to help you, but if you want to signal to others that you are as gullible as the people in red-hats, that's up to you.

Actually, I have an advanced degree in the topic.

But, y'know, you can keep hiding your head in the sand while culture and therefore language continue to change around you.

Oh, so you're one of those over-educated white people who gets to tell others how their culture (and apparently language as well) is wrong. Whatever would the oppressed do without you to save them? Never mind what I said about you being as gullible as the red-hats; you are as racist. You just found a better way to hide it.

Yeah, don't be surprised when no one takes anything you say seriously, they'll be right not to.

I guess anybody seems "overeducated" if you're proud of being stupid.

I bolded the really ironic part, just in case anybody missed it.


The part you bolded is in reference to the idea being pushed that the Spanish language (and I guess all other Romance language) is deficient because it has two genders. The idea that people from outside a culture trying to dictate how that culture should change to better suit the outsides, is somehow respectful, which is patently absurd.

But I already said "good day" to that individual, and am dropping this issue.

Carry on.
 
2020-08-25 5:40:07 PM  
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JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: I've always,always voted third party

Knew you were an asshole, and you went and confirmed it.


I'm an asshole for voting third party in California? I mean, every election is a Dem (hell, there's usually not even a Republican on the ticket for statewide elections) landslide, I'm happy to vote Green Party or whatever. It literally makes no difference. I did usually vote for Jerry Brown because I respect his work ethic though.
 
2020-08-25 5:31:48 PM  
1 vote:

Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

Prescriptivists are funny, and stupid.

So are people who make up words.

Try to be better than them.

All words are made up.

Wow, you're just so clever. So has your junior high started classes again yet?

By the way, don't be surprised when no one takes you seriously in the future. I tried to help you, but if you want to signal to others that you are as gullible as the people in red-hats, that's up to you.

Actually, I have an advanced degree in the topic.

But, y'know, you can keep hiding your head in the sand while culture and therefore language continue to change around you.


I work for a linguistics department. So I am really getting a kick out of most of these replies. Some of you guys are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about. But trust me.... You don't. I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you dont know what you are talking about. This is how bad info gets passed around. If you dont know about the topic....Dont make yourself sound like you do. Cuz some Farkers belive anything they hear.
 
2020-08-25 5:29:40 PM  
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rosekolodny: drewogatory: I have no idea what my friend's politics are. It's just not a subject I ever discuss, because I have zero interest. People can believe whatever stupid shiat they want, I'm not an educator.

You still have to live in the world they create.


Man, I just keep my head down and go to work and count the days until I can move to the ass end of nowhere.
 
2020-08-25 5:20:26 PM  
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twat_waffle: I'm very conscious of the words I use to describe people. I use "aboriginal" or "First Nations" instead of "Indian" or "Native American." "Latinx" just feels contrived to me. I don't see the point.


I'm like that with Transylvanian.  Just say Dracula.
 
2020-08-25 5:19:15 PM  
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Leishu: g.fro: Oh, so you're one of those over-educated white people who gets to tell others how their culture (and apparently language as well) is wrong

You're the one who told me my language was wrong. And am I in middle school or over-educated? Your trolling comes off as milquetoast when it's not even intellectually consistent.


When you were arguing like a child I assumed you were a child. When you informed me of your advanced degree, I revised my assessment and realized you were over- rather than under-educated. In any case you insist on using an asinine word which indicates way more about you than you seem to realize. Not least of which being that your opinion is totally worthless.

Good day.
 
2020-08-25 4:56:11 PM  
1 vote:

Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?


I dont know who you have been hanging out with but I have yet to know a single conservative that is your strawmen.
 
2020-08-25 4:55:05 PM  
1 vote:

Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

Prescriptivists are funny, and stupid.

So are people who make up words.

Try to be better than them.

All words are made up.

Wow, you're just so clever. So has your junior high started classes again yet?

By the way, don't be surprised when no one takes you seriously in the future. I tried to help you, but if you want to signal to others that you are as gullible as the people in red-hats, that's up to you.

Actually, I have an advanced degree in the topic.

But, y'know, you can keep hiding your head in the sand while culture and therefore language continue to change around you.


Oh, so you're one of those over-educated white people who gets to tell others how their culture (and apparently language as well) is wrong. Whatever would the oppressed do without you to save them? Never mind what I said about you being as gullible as the red-hats; you are as racist. You just found a better way to hide it.

Yeah, don't be surprised when no one takes anything you say seriously, they'll be right not to.
 
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