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2020-08-25 6:17:45 PM  

Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

Prescriptivists are funny, and stupid.


Don't get...anyone...started on the definition of slavery. They might wish a horrible death on your whole family if you do.
 
2020-08-25 6:18:07 PM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: Leishu: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

About as much as people should tolerate "Latinx"

So... using respectful language to describe people is just as bad as putting children in cages?

You seem to have a... rather big truncation problem in your priorities.

The level of tolerance should be none for both.

We've had threads over this. The only people using the term seem to be NPR and white people. Anecdotally I've never heard any Hispanic people think it's a better term. They usually laugh and ask what kind of honky shiat is that? Maybe I need to ask more ladies. I don't know. One thing is clear, when this state goes Hispanic majority in a few short years, it will be fun watching heads explode and pearls clutched at the perceived loss of "identity". Which means white identity.

Anyway, I'm on your side and this moment in pedantry brought to you by no one.


I don't have a problem using the more traditional term here. I just want to respect people. In this particular case that's all that matters to me.
 
2020-08-25 6:19:18 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: Smelly Pirate Hooker: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: For those curious, the picture of the shrine wall is from the grandmothers house, Who until a few years ago, was a NY born, moved to FL Democrat.
That was until the Fox nation attacked. 
My Mother built the shrine for her, and helped her decorate with those oh so lovely other things. 
You'll note in the first picture, Grandpa's flag is at the bottom, it has been on the mantel for decades until my mother got her hands on it for the TRUMPINFURER Shrine. 
Then his flag went to the bottom, surrounded by Icons of a man who never served..
In the later picture, the clear one you see, its up higher now, as I lost my shiat one year and brought that subject up (Grandpa was a lifelong Democrat) 
Now its a little higher up on the shrine, still surrounded by Trump Icons. 
I haven't been back to visit my mother or grandmother in over a year and changed, The most contact Ive had was to mail them some masks.

Sorry. (._.) Sincerely. Both my parents are dead, so I don't have to hear any lunacy from either of them. Apparently, my brother (I have 2 sisters and a brother) is still on the moron train, but we don't discuss politics. If he had anything like that in his house, I'd probably avoid him, but he doesn't. I saw him this past weekend.

He doesn't have anything like that... yet... Yet.

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Well, I haven't seen the inside of his closet. Maybe he's got it in there. If he had one but was hiding it, that would indicate some awareness that having a literal shrine to literally the worst person on earth was insane. When I see any evidence of worship, like a sign in the yard or any other crap like that, yeah, I'll be avoiding him. Not that hard to do. We don't hang all that often.


May your friend accept and acknowledge hes mad a horrible mistake. 

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2020-08-25 6:20:43 PM  
I just had a buddy from high school try and get me and four other guys we've been friends with for decades together for a little min-reunion.

Thing is one of those guys is a rabid Trumper, flamed out spectacularly on social media and essentially trolled me over my left-wing politics until I finally booted him out of my life.

This buddy that's trying to get everybody together basically said "I had no idea you disliked him that much.  I thought you guys just disagreed over politics."

The idea that politics aren't enough in themselves a good reason to cut someone out of one's life is weird to me.  There really aren't many better reasons outside of the obvious abuse or crime or drugs or whatever.
 
2020-08-25 6:22:37 PM  

Leishu: I think it's a bit weird, because within the LGBTQIA+ spectrum, the answer of yes to Subby's question is taken as common sense. People who profess hate to queer folk are a threat to me, so they don't get to share my space if I can avoid it.

It's as simple as that. Self-preservation.


The Republicans have outright made it their platform that they will not tolerate a future that contains people like "us", where "we" pretty much say there's room for compromise with about anything except intolerance. We cannot tolerate intolerance of others. Eventually that intolerance will be visited upon us too.

So I don't see a way to negotiate here. Nobody told the Trumper Republicans to go paint themselves into that corner. They weren't born with the ideology of fascism and Nazism. They went willingly and willingly stay there. They can simply get up and say "hey this is bullshiat, I'm out." And some even do.

But that doesn't obligate us to wait for them to come around. A lot of them will die and try to take us with them first. That's already happening.
 
2020-08-25 6:23:53 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Petey4335: Combustion: Yep. I dumped an entire family. Feels great, actually.

CSB

A couple years ago went to a fiend's wedding.  Another friend and his wife were invited too because, we were all friends at one point and the newlyweds bought a house a few blocks away from them. The 'what was at one time 2 people in our friends circle that we knew were very republican leaning' slid way way down into Trumperville. No one sat by them. No one really talked to them besides a 'hi'. Just shunned from most of us.

The Trumper couple left not long after dinner. The rest of us had a fun night of drinkin' and dancing celebrating the newlyweds.

I haven't been in contact with the ex-friends since. Very freeing. I don't think anyone else does anymore.

/CSB

How did you all find out they had gone full Trumper? Did they bring it up?


FB posts.
 
2020-08-25 6:24:37 PM  
We've had threads over this. The only people using the term seem to be NPR and white people. Anecdotally I've never heard any Hispanic people think it's a better term. They usually laugh and ask what kind of honky shiat is that?

I've worked labor in Santa Ana for 10 years never hear anyone use it ever. Everyone is all about where they are from, there's no interest in being under a big umbrella.
 
2020-08-25 6:25:24 PM  

yohohogreengiant: Leishu: I think it's a bit weird, because within the LGBTQIA+ spectrum, the answer of yes to Subby's question is taken as common sense. People who profess hate to queer folk are a threat to me, so they don't get to share my space if I can avoid it.

It's as simple as that. Self-preservation.

The Republicans have outright made it their platform that they will not tolerate a future that contains people like "us", where "we" pretty much say there's room for compromise with about anything except intolerance. We cannot tolerate intolerance of others. Eventually that intolerance will be visited upon us too.

So I don't see a way to negotiate here. Nobody told the Trumper Republicans to go paint themselves into that corner. They weren't born with the ideology of fascism and Nazism. They went willingly and willingly stay there. They can simply get up and say "hey this is bullshiat, I'm out." And some even do.

But that doesn't obligate us to wait for them to come around. A lot of them will die and try to take us with them first. That's already happening.


Precisely.

To elaborate further on the implications of this, I believe that I should always do my best to give second chances for people to not be evil, within reason, but a demonstrated pattern of abuse and hate (and as such a demonstrated pattern of following republican talking points without an ounce of self-examination) will result in removal from my life because I cannot trust the individuals who demonstrate as such to not be actively harmful to me.
 
2020-08-25 6:25:50 PM  
g.fro:

idea being pushed that the Spanish language (and I guess all other Romance language) is deficient because it has two genders

Lol. Link plz
 
2020-08-25 6:26:11 PM  
One of the more refreshing things that's happened since Trump assumed office is that cishet white people have started to realize that "politics" isn't some vague concept divorced from everyday life.  They're seeing that politics informs nearly everything we do--what we eat, where we shop, what we wear, what vehicles we drive.  It affects government at all levels; it affects civil rights and judicial integrity.  It can make people value some people over others, based on things like who they love, or the color of their skin, and indeed it can make people value property over human lives.

Of course, people who aren't straight/cisgender and/or aren't white have always known this--our entire existences are political, because cishet white people ensure that they are.

The next thing we need to get through cishet white people's skulls is that, if you're going to have marginalized friends, having friends who hate those friends because of who they are makes you a selfish asshole.  Cishet whites are so used to not being affected by things like bigotry that they have a really hard time with this concept; but how can I, as a gay man, be friends with people who also have friends who think I shouldn't exist--or worse, that I should be harmed or killed?

Looking at it the other way, how can people justify being friends with homophobes?  "It doesn't affect me so I don't really care" is really, really shiatty and selfish reasoning, especially since all you're doing is excusing (and enabling) their bigotry, which affect your queer friends.  You really have to make a choice, out of respect for your marginalized friends.  I'm certainly not going to want to hang out with you if there's a chance I'm going to be stuck in a place with someone you know who hates me just because I like dudes.

Letting go of toxic friends is self care.  Letting go of bigoted friends is simply the decent thing to do.  Stop thinking just of yourself and start thinking about everyone else.
 
2020-08-25 6:28:00 PM  

drewogatory: We've had threads over this. The only people using the term seem to be NPR and white people. Anecdotally I've never heard any Hispanic people think it's a better term. They usually laugh and ask what kind of honky shiat is that?

I've worked labor in Santa Ana for 10 years never hear anyone use it ever. Everyone is all about where they are from, there's no interest in being under a big umbrella.


I've heard Latinx used by native Spanish speakers on the radio both in Spanish and English.

The radio conversation is Spanish was moving a little fast for me but I think it concerned the unsolved trans murderers that have occurred here recently so there was context.

If this is a generational awareness issue in addition to an identity one, that's all good too. Call people what they wish to be called, unless it's "your majesty Trump"
 
2020-08-25 6:28:57 PM  

theknuckler_33: I have a very close friend of about 37 years. A friend who went to a different school that lived in the neighborhood of another friend I knew from my Catholic HS.  He's as conservative as you can imagine. Young Earth Creationist Evangelical ... 'nuf said.  We were friends for a year or two when somehow the story of Noah's Arc came up and he informed me that he believed it to be literal history.

He spent many years as a "backslider", dealing meth, smoking weed, and partying, so even though I wasn't too into the meth back then, we spent many of our 20's years hanging out (not only because of the partying) and then he was 'born again', met a girl at his church and got married. I was part of the wedding party, but on wedding day, it was clear that I was eyed with great suspicion.

Anyway, that was over 20 years ago and while I don't see him often these days, we are still in close contact. We play golf maybe once a year, take in a Sixers game here and there and we even took a trip to Europe a few years ago. He's a great guy and I love him and I'm sure he loves me. But over the years, with a few exceptions, we've learned to just not talk about politics.

I was able to take that Europe trip only because his job has taken him all over the world such that he had so many travel miles that he offered to cover my trans-Atlantic airfare (both ways)...  flights between e.g. Amsterdam and Rome were cheap AF!  But without a hint of self-awareness, he told me that when he is traveling for work, he always declares that he is Canadian to the locals (merchants, cab drivers, hotel workers, etc).  We had a weird experience in a cab (Uber?  I forget) in Dublin when the driver asked us about Trump. Seemed clear to me that he expected us to be of like mind seemed genuinely confused when my buddy expressed his support while I called Trump an idiot.  I think he was amazed that we could express those thoughts in front of each other and still be civil.

Anyway, that's a farking long-ass story to say that it is possible to be friends with a Trumper.  I don't think I could make a new friend with a Trumper. But I've known this man for over 30 years and we have a long history of experiences and memories that I think well outweigh our political differences.   If I had long friendships with Trumpers where I was able to look past their politics, meaning that there is an unspoken agreement to avoid politics in casual conversation/situations, I can keep those friendships with no problem.


Hey, if someone's price to continue rubbing elbows with fascists is a European vacation, then they're just a more expensive whore than most.

/I don't see how you thought posting this was a good idea
 
2020-08-25 6:29:05 PM  

Leishu: I think it's a bit weird, because within the LGBTQIA+ spectrum, the answer of yes to Subby's question is taken as common sense. People who profess hate to queer folk are a threat to me, so they don't get to share my space if I can avoid it.

It's as simple as that. Self-preservation.


I was thinking about this, too--in a sense, queer people are somewhat "lucky," because Trumpism/Republicanism is a small minority in queer circles.  Sure, we still have a bunch of people who are racist and misogynistic and transphobic, because people are awful no matter who you are, but I feel like when I meet a queer person, there's a lot less bigoted bullshiat I have to deal with than when I meet straight people.  I can't trust straight people, especiallybecause of Trump.
 
2020-08-25 6:30:50 PM  

KingOfTown: theknuckler_33: I have a very close friend of about 37 years. A friend who went to a different school that lived in the neighborhood of another friend I knew from my Catholic HS.  He's as conservative as you can imagine. Young Earth Creationist Evangelical ... 'nuf said.  We were friends for a year or two when somehow the story of Noah's Arc came up and he informed me that he believed it to be literal history.

He spent many years as a "backslider", dealing meth, smoking weed, and partying, so even though I wasn't too into the meth back then, we spent many of our 20's years hanging out (not only because of the partying) and then he was 'born again', met a girl at his church and got married. I was part of the wedding party, but on wedding day, it was clear that I was eyed with great suspicion.

Anyway, that was over 20 years ago and while I don't see him often these days, we are still in close contact. We play golf maybe once a year, take in a Sixers game here and there and we even took a trip to Europe a few years ago. He's a great guy and I love him and I'm sure he loves me. But over the years, with a few exceptions, we've learned to just not talk about politics.

I was able to take that Europe trip only because his job has taken him all over the world such that he had so many travel miles that he offered to cover my trans-Atlantic airfare (both ways)...  flights between e.g. Amsterdam and Rome were cheap AF!  But without a hint of self-awareness, he told me that when he is traveling for work, he always declares that he is Canadian to the locals (merchants, cab drivers, hotel workers, etc).  We had a weird experience in a cab (Uber?  I forget) in Dublin when the driver asked us about Trump. Seemed clear to me that he expected us to be of like mind seemed genuinely confused when my buddy expressed his support while I called Trump an idiot.  I think he was amazed that we could express those thoughts in front of each other and still be civil.

Anyway, that's a farking long-ass story to say that it is possible to be friends with a Trumper.  I don't think I could make a new friend with a Trumper. But I've known this man for over 30 years and we have a long history of experiences and memories that I think well outweigh our political differences.   If I had long friendships with Trumpers where I was able to look past their politics, meaning that there is an unspoken agreement to avoid politics in casual conversation/situations, I can keep those friendships with no problem.


Hey, if someone's price to continue rubbing elbows with fascists is a European vacation, then they're just a more expensive whore than most.

/I don't see how you thought posting this was a good idea

Based on their behavior in other threads, they seem to have a lot more vitriol available for progressives than for Trumpers.  That's awfully telling.
 
2020-08-25 6:32:35 PM  

AsparagusFTW: dickfreckle: Not all conservatives are jerks. My ex GF (more like a common law wife) is a Republican and she DESPISES Trump. And not in the Susan Collins way. Despite me being a political junkie we didn't argue about politics much. It was understood that I was a raging liberal and that she voted for George W Bush.

We are very close friends to this day. She even flies up here at least once a year and we have a blast. But here's the thing: she isn't racist, a corona hoaxer, a maskless "mah rights!" or any of that trash that seems amplified these days. She's a wonderful girl, is all. Just happens to be a Republican. I think she's deluding herself but it's really none of my business unless she brings it up.

BUT: If your so-called friends are talking Trump-style crap, then yes, ditch them. It's a poison I'll have no part of. I can't be around it even online, much less in person.

So she flies up once a year for a weekend of dickfreckle?


Lol yes. She got married and he turned out to be a jerk. She travels often for business and just adds a bonus flight to New Orleans and he's none the wiser. But we've always had a lot of fun together. I met her 20 years ago and our bond is very strong. Heck, when I see her I feel like the same young man I was on our first date. We have a huge history. But it's not every year. Only when I'm single, which happens a lot because I'm "emotionally unavailable." So when the timing is right she takes a detour here.
 
2020-08-25 6:34:40 PM  
I'm dumping anyone who makes obvious racist remarks that thinks it's not racist.

I have one brother and his wife who regrets voting for trump. So they've redeemed themselves.

I have another brother who voted for trump and we just don't talk about politics. He's chronically underemployed, lives and looks after our 90-year old mom and is the best uncle ever to my daughters and grandson and is 58-years old. He never changed a diaper until my grandson was born (He was 54 when grandbaby was born) and he started babysitting for my daughter. He told me he never knew what he missed not having a family until my grandson came along. Stevie and granduncle are totally bros.

Not going to cause a political rift with my brother and make time awkward with his grandnephew, niece and sister.

My ancient mother routinely engages me about 'that sonofabiatch'. But, yeah, her Tennessee ancestors were unionists.

My other brother (3rd) voted Trump In the 2016 primaries thinking it would give Dems a better chance to keep the presidency. He'll never make that mistake again. And yeah, this one got covidy and is okay now. He's 60 and in pretty good shape. He's freaked out about all the deaths that could have been avoided with a proper response.

I have more removed family that blew me off when Obama was president. I have friends that I challenged with the sandy hook 'hoax' that dropped me.

My oldest friend in the world no longer talks to me because she shared a picture of Obama carrying a book by an Arab-sounding named author, obviously proving that Barack was a Muslim sharia militant. When I pointed out the author was was American, she replied, "so what?"  She's an evangelical Christian welfare Queen Social program master of red tape with state paid grants for her master's degree from a prestigious state university who forged her ex-husband's signature to cash in his 401(k). And she muzzled a dog with electrical tape and gave me the same viscous dog when my children were toddlers, telling me "it just barks a lot".   Oh, and one out of five of her children were born in wedlock. But she is a bonifide speak-in-tongues Christian now advertising as a Christian counselor and working for a county sheriff. So she tells rape victims to pray and not get abortions. She has told me my bi daughter will burn in hell. She told me she would help burn down the country if it saves one fetus. All of her children have been supported by social programs or government service. I haven't talked to her in 5 years. I've known her for half a century.

Most of the social media friends I've cut off are people from high school that weren't assholes then, but have turned into flaming right-wing idjits in their middle age.

We are very late boomers (b. 1964ish) who identify more with GenX (emergence of technology, social media and cut off from all the tasty safety nets our older siblings ran into the ground).

I'll keep my Immediate family. They ain't so bad, just a bit misguided. The Aunts, uncles, cousins, friends and acquaintances from decades past can fark right off when they go QAnon, Hoax and trumpy.
 
2020-08-25 6:37:01 PM  

austerity101: One of the more refreshing things that's happened since Trump assumed office is that cishet white people have started to realize that "politics" isn't some vague concept divorced from everyday life.  They're seeing that politics informs nearly everything we do--what we eat, where we shop, what we wear, what vehicles we drive.  It affects government at all levels; it affects civil rights and judicial integrity.  It can make people value some people over others, based on things like who they love, or the color of their skin, and indeed it can make people value property over human lives.

Of course, people who aren't straight/cisgender and/or aren't white have always known this--our entire existences are political, because cishet white people ensure that they are.

The next thing we need to get through cishet white people's skulls is that, if you're going to have marginalized friends, having friends who hate those friends because of who they are makes you a selfish asshole.  Cishet whites are so used to not being affected by things like bigotry that they have a really hard time with this concept; but how can I, as a gay man, be friends with people who also have friends who think I shouldn't exist--or worse, that I should be harmed or killed?

Looking at it the other way, how can people justify being friends with homophobes?  "It doesn't affect me so I don't really care" is really, really shiatty and selfish reasoning, especially since all you're doing is excusing (and enabling) their bigotry, which affect your queer friends.  You really have to make a choice, out of respect for your marginalized friends.  I'm certainly not going to want to hang out with you if there's a chance I'm going to be stuck in a place with someone you know who hates me just because I like dudes.

Letting go of toxic friends is self care.  Letting go of bigoted friends is simply the decent thing to do.  Stop thinking just of yourself and start thinking about everyone else.


Everyone is a politician in our DNA. Everyone. Put seven unrelated people together, have them figure out a pizza order with who gets what, who pays how much and have them choose who is going to call it in.

That shiat can be more passionate and intense than electoral debate.  It's politics.

In light of scarce resources, and differing needs, how do we compromise in a public arena to get our needs met without resorting to violence?

With practice and reason you can create a non zero sum result. Everyone gets more than they would have if they came at it without negotiating.

If you're coming at politics as a criminal, or uneducated about your own needs, everyone loses. You end up with civil war.

Republicans are the latter.
 
2020-08-25 6:37:53 PM  
Ask a trump supporter if he has ever made a mistake and make sure to point out that nobody is perfect.  Watch them struggle to divide by zero.
 
2020-08-25 6:42:22 PM  

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: Smelly Pirate Hooker: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: Smelly Pirate Hooker: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: For those curious, the picture of the shrine wall is from the grandmothers house, Who until a few years ago, was a NY born, moved to FL Democrat.
That was until the Fox nation attacked. 
My Mother built the shrine for her, and helped her decorate with those oh so lovely other things. 
You'll note in the first picture, Grandpa's flag is at the bottom, it has been on the mantel for decades until my mother got her hands on it for the TRUMPINFURER Shrine. 
Then his flag went to the bottom, surrounded by Icons of a man who never served..
In the later picture, the clear one you see, its up higher now, as I lost my shiat one year and brought that subject up (Grandpa was a lifelong Democrat) 
Now its a little higher up on the shrine, still surrounded by Trump Icons. 
I haven't been back to visit my mother or grandmother in over a year and changed, The most contact Ive had was to mail them some masks.

Sorry. (._.) Sincerely. Both my parents are dead, so I don't have to hear any lunacy from either of them. Apparently, my brother (I have 2 sisters and a brother) is still on the moron train, but we don't discuss politics. If he had anything like that in his house, I'd probably avoid him, but he doesn't. I saw him this past weekend.

He doesn't have anything like that... yet... Yet.

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Well, I haven't seen the inside of his closet. Maybe he's got it in there. If he had one but was hiding it, that would indicate some awareness that having a literal shrine to literally the worst person on earth was insane. When I see any evidence of worship, like a sign in the yard or any other crap like that, yeah, I'll be avoiding him. Not that hard to do. We don't hang all that often.

May your friend accept and acknowledge hes mad a horrible mistake. 

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Razorblade on a painted bumper?
 
2020-08-25 6:42:37 PM  

fiddlehead: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: gunga galunga: OrionXVI: gunga galunga: I dumped them all.

All that's left is my mother and my brother. I can't dump them.

Fortunately, they know not to bring up Trump while I am around.

Brothers you can.  I've had to (2 in my case; they've gone full banjo).  Mothers may be harder to dump.

Last time my brother and I discussed politics was before Trump. He took issue with my Facebook page (which I have since quit, for good) and called me up to tell me that I was letting the liberal media tell me what to think. I gave it back to him with both barrels saying that I found that insulting that the implication was that I was too stupid to form my own thoughts or ideas. Also adding, "and by the way, what are your farking unimpeachable sources of information". Since the answer to that question would have been Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, he changed the subject and we've never discussed politics since.

However, I do know from my brother-in-law, whose mother is Facebook friends with my brother's wife, that my brother got a Donald Trump birthday cake for his 50th.

He would have given me no end of shiat if I were ever to have gotten a Obama or a Hillary Clinton birthday cake, and he'd be right to do so. But as long as he is not bringing up politics, neither will I.

You should bring up the birthday cake every year from now on. What is he, five? How farking pathetic, even if Trump wasn't a vile pack of pus.

GIS "Trump cake"

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Enjoy your nightmares.

/Is his head cream-filled?


Gawd what a hideous cake.
 
2020-08-25 6:43:22 PM  

g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

Prescriptivists are funny, and stupid.

So are people who make up words.

Try to be better than them.

All words are made up.

Wow, you're just so clever. So has your junior high started classes again yet?

By the way, don't be surprised when no one takes you seriously in the future. I tried to help you, but if you want to signal to others that you are as gullible as the people in red-hats, that's up to you.


You aren't good at this.
 
2020-08-25 6:45:30 PM  

KingOfTown: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

Prescriptivists are funny, and stupid.

Don't get...anyone...started on the definition of slavery. They might wish a horrible death on your whole family if you do.


You never apologized, so my opinion of you still stands.
 
2020-08-25 6:48:30 PM  

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: Some people have gone full Tribal. They can never be brought back. Ever. 

This is something we have to accept. I've lost family. No amount of facts will bring my family back from this. 

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They blew $49.99+ s&h for an idiotic trumpie bear?  WTF?
 
2020-08-25 6:49:51 PM  

Saiga410: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

I dont know who you have been hanging out with but I have yet to know a single conservative that is your strawmen.


Go to a redneck bar.  Just once.
 
2020-08-25 6:52:29 PM  

Saiga410: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

I dont know who you have been hanging out with but I have yet to know a single conservative that is your strawmen.


So you think the RNC is just what... happenstance?
 
2020-08-25 6:57:29 PM  
JustToLetYouKnowFriend:
May your friend accept and acknowledge hes mad a horrible mistake. 

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Brother, but (shrug). He nearly died last year and is slowly recovering from various ailments. He's never been  shouty about politics. He'll make jokes and discuss various issues of the day, but isn't a dick about it. So far.
 
2020-08-25 7:00:02 PM  

drewogatory: rosekolodny: drewogatory: I have no idea what my friend's politics are. It's just not a subject I ever discuss, because I have zero interest. People can believe whatever stupid shiat they want, I'm not an educator.

You still have to live in the world they create.

Man, I just keep my head down and go to work and count the days until I can move to the ass end of nowhere.


OK, then I have to live in the world they create, and I would like it to be one with civil rights and healthy, well-educated people who care about each other.
 
2020-08-25 7:00:18 PM  
Yes. It's a way to stay sane
 
2020-08-25 7:02:15 PM  

Fear the Clam: RobotSpider: True story:


Don't sweat it. They probably hired their current contractor because of a Jesus fish in the Yellow Pages ad.
"This guy won't fark us over, he has a Jesus fish!"


Son, you must have a big hammer, 'cause you hit the nail right on the head. I live in Grand Rapids, MI. Home of Betsy DeVos (well, ONE of her homes). I happen to live in the flight path of the helicopter that takes her from GRR to her house on the lakeshore. To say people here choose their service companies "because Jesus" is the understatement of a lifetime.
 
2020-08-25 7:06:08 PM  

dickfreckle: Not all conservatives are jerks


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when I see never-trumpers who were down with everything the garbage GOP has did for decades but are now trying to clear themselves from vortex of the sinking ship
 
2020-08-25 7:06:31 PM  

rosekolodny: drewogatory: rosekolodny: drewogatory: I have no idea what my friend's politics are. It's just not a subject I ever discuss, because I have zero interest. People can believe whatever stupid shiat they want, I'm not an educator.

You still have to live in the world they create.

Man, I just keep my head down and go to work and count the days until I can move to the ass end of nowhere.

OK, then I have to live in the world they create, and I would like it to be one with civil rights and healthy, well-educated people who care about each other.


Shockingly, I'm all for civil rights and a healthy educated populace.
 
2020-08-25 7:10:13 PM  

austerity101: One of the more refreshing things that's happened since Trump assumed office is that cishet white people have started to realize that "politics" isn't some vague concept divorced from everyday life.  They're seeing that politics informs nearly everything we do--what we eat, where we shop, what we wear, what vehicles we drive.  It affects government at all levels; it affects civil rights and judicial integrity.  It can make people value some people over others, based on things like who they love, or the color of their skin, and indeed it can make people value property over human lives.

Of course, people who aren't straight/cisgender and/or aren't white have always known this--our entire existences are political, because cishet white people ensure that they are.

The next thing we need to get through cishet white people's skulls is that, if you're going to have marginalized friends, having friends who hate those friends because of who they are makes you a selfish asshole.  Cishet whites are so used to not being affected by things like bigotry that they have a really hard time with this concept; but how can I, as a gay man, be friends with people who also have friends who think I shouldn't exist--or worse, that I should be harmed or killed?

Looking at it the other way, how can people justify being friends with homophobes?  "It doesn't affect me so I don't really care" is really, really shiatty and selfish reasoning, especially since all you're doing is excusing (and enabling) their bigotry, which affect your queer friends.  You really have to make a choice, out of respect for your marginalized friends.  I'm certainly not going to want to hang out with you if there's a chance I'm going to be stuck in a place with someone you know who hates me just because I like dudes.

Letting go of toxic friends is self care.  Letting go of bigoted friends is simply the decent thing to do.  Stop thinking just of yourself and start thinking about everyone else.


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2020-08-25 7:12:57 PM  

g.fro: Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.


5 out of 6 dictionaries I just checked disagree with you.
 
2020-08-25 7:14:01 PM  

drewogatory: rosekolodny: drewogatory: rosekolodny: drewogatory: I have no idea what my friend's politics are. It's just not a subject I ever discuss, because I have zero interest. People can believe whatever stupid shiat they want, I'm not an educator.

You still have to live in the world they create.

Man, I just keep my head down and go to work and count the days until I can move to the ass end of nowhere.

OK, then I have to live in the world they create, and I would like it to be one with civil rights and healthy, well-educated people who care about each other.

Shockingly, I'm all for civil rights and a healthy educated populace.


Then please vote for politicians who will work toward those goals.
 
2020-08-25 7:14:57 PM  

LrdPhoenix: g.fro: Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

5 out of 6 dictionaries I just checked disagree with you.


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2020-08-25 7:15:47 PM  

LrdPhoenix: g.fro: Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

5 out of 6 dictionaries I just checked disagree with you.


I was trying to avoid linking them, because as an antiprescriptivist it felt a bit silly for me to reference dictionaries to prove a word is valid, so I'm glad you referenced them instead - haha.
 
2020-08-25 7:16:58 PM  

saturn badger: I did. I see this as a requirement now.

One was a FB friend. I deleted him and told him why. He was not happy when I told him I didn't want my name associated with him in his friends group. He got really really upset when I called him a snowflake. That appears to be a major trigger with them.

Sucks to be him. I never looked back.


Manly men get really upset when you call them snowflakes. It's almost like you grabbed them by the pussy.
 
2020-08-25 7:23:23 PM  

LrdPhoenix: g.fro: Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

5 out of 6 dictionaries I just checked disagree with you.


Check a dictionary more than a few years old.
 
2020-08-25 7:25:26 PM  

g.fro: LrdPhoenix: g.fro: Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

5 out of 6 dictionaries I just checked disagree with you.

Check a dictionary more than a few years old.


Are you just not at all aware of the point of dictionaries?
 
2020-08-25 7:25:30 PM  

g.fro: LrdPhoenix: g.fro: Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

5 out of 6 dictionaries I just checked disagree with you.

Check a dictionary more than a few years old.


Now that's real desperation. "Don't try to look at modern dictionaries. Those are fake news!"
 
2020-08-25 7:28:50 PM  

Leishu: g.fro: LrdPhoenix: g.fro: Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

5 out of 6 dictionaries I just checked disagree with you.

Check a dictionary more than a few years old.

Are you just not at all aware of the point of dictionaries?


I was trying not to reply to you.

I reject whatever you want to call your philosophy that words which are artificially created are as cromulent as words which evolve naturally.
 
2020-08-25 7:31:21 PM  

g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: LrdPhoenix: g.fro: Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

5 out of 6 dictionaries I just checked disagree with you.

Check a dictionary more than a few years old.

Are you just not at all aware of the point of dictionaries?

I was trying not to reply to you.

I reject whatever you want to call your philosophy that words which are artificially created are as cromulent as words which evolve naturally.


All words, once again, are artificially created. People find a thing they need to describ, and people create a word for it. That is how language works.

Yes. It even happens when a word already exists for a thing. We have a word for that too, and it doesn't make anything not-a-word.
 
2020-08-25 7:34:47 PM  
Like... I think the most amusing part of this is that a dude with a 7th grade-level knowledge of etymology is accusing me of being the middle school kid - Like dude. Maybe you need to pass 10th grade English before you start acting as if you know, well, anything at all.
 
2020-08-25 7:35:35 PM  

Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: LrdPhoenix: g.fro: Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

5 out of 6 dictionaries I just checked disagree with you.

Check a dictionary more than a few years old.

Are you just not at all aware of the point of dictionaries?

I was trying not to reply to you.

I reject whatever you want to call your philosophy that words which are artificially created are as cromulent as words which evolve naturally.

All words, once again, are artificially created. People find a thing they need to describ, and people create a word for it. That is how language works.

Yes. It even happens when a word already exists for a thing. We have a word for that too, and it doesn't make anything not-a-word.


You might want to look up "natural language". Your "all words are made up" is stupid and childish.
 
2020-08-25 7:37:14 PM  

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: I've always,always voted third party

Knew you were an asshole, and you went and confirmed it.


Voting third party in anything other than a very local race is like masturbating in the voting booth. you may feel better, but nobody else enjoys anything, and you just leave a mess for somebody else to clean up. It's a supremely stupid selfish act from people who can't see anything other than their own precious ego.
 
2020-08-25 7:37:41 PM  

g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: LrdPhoenix: g.fro: Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

5 out of 6 dictionaries I just checked disagree with you.

Check a dictionary more than a few years old.

Are you just not at all aware of the point of dictionaries?

I was trying not to reply to you.

I reject whatever you want to call your philosophy that words which are artificially created are as cromulent as words which evolve naturally.

All words, once again, are artificially created. People find a thing they need to describ, and people create a word for it. That is how language works.

Yes. It even happens when a word already exists for a thing. We have a word for that too, and it doesn't make anything not-a-word.

You might want to look up "natural language". Your "all words are made up" is stupid and childish.


*eyeroll*

"Natural language" doesn't mean "no made up words," you insufferable dolt. It means the language as a whole was created not by specific intent but by the spread of created or borrowed words.
 
2020-08-25 7:37:47 PM  

g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: LrdPhoenix: g.fro: Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

5 out of 6 dictionaries I just checked disagree with you.

Check a dictionary more than a few years old.

Are you just not at all aware of the point of dictionaries?

I was trying not to reply to you.

I reject whatever you want to call your philosophy that words which are artificially created are as cromulent as words which evolve naturally.

All words, once again, are artificially created. People find a thing they need to describ, and people create a word for it. That is how language works.

Yes. It even happens when a word already exists for a thing. We have a word for that too, and it doesn't make anything not-a-word.

You might want to look up "natural language". Your "all words are made up" is stupid and childish.


You see liberals language isn't whatever you arbitrarily decide it is. It's whatever I arbitrarily decide it is. Boom! Destroyed with facts and logic!
 
2020-08-25 7:39:34 PM  

Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: LrdPhoenix: g.fro: Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

5 out of 6 dictionaries I just checked disagree with you.

Check a dictionary more than a few years old.

Are you just not at all aware of the point of dictionaries?

I was trying not to reply to you.

I reject whatever you want to call your philosophy that words which are artificially created are as cromulent as words which evolve naturally.

All words, once again, are artificially created. People find a thing they need to describ, and people create a word for it. That is how language works.

Yes. It even happens when a word already exists for a thing. We have a word for that too, and it doesn't make anything not-a-word.

You might want to look up "natural language". Your "all words are made up" is stupid and childish.

*eyeroll*

"Natural language" doesn't mean "no made up words," you insufferable dolt. It means the language as a whole was created not by specific intent but by the spread of created or borrowed words.


You know "1984" wasn't a how to manual, right?
 
2020-08-25 7:40:44 PM  

g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: LrdPhoenix: g.fro: Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

5 out of 6 dictionaries I just checked disagree with you.

Check a dictionary more than a few years old.

Are you just not at all aware of the point of dictionaries?

I was trying not to reply to you.

I reject whatever you want to call your philosophy that words which are artificially created are as cromulent as words which evolve naturally.

All words, once again, are artificially created. People find a thing they need to describ, and people create a word for it. That is how language works.

Yes. It even happens when a word already exists for a thing. We have a word for that too, and it doesn't make anything not-a-word.

You might want to look up "natural language". Your "all words are made up" is stupid and childish.

*eyeroll*

"Natural language" doesn't mean "no made up words," you insufferable dolt. It means the language as a whole was created not by specific intent but by the spread of created or borrowed words.

You know "1984" wasn't a how to manual, right?


You know you should read the things you are furiously googling to try to make yourself feel better, right?
 
2020-08-25 7:42:55 PM  

cocozilla: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: I've always,always voted third party

Knew you were an asshole, and you went and confirmed it.

Voting third party in anything other than a very local race is like masturbating in the voting booth. you may feel better, but nobody else enjoys anything, and you just leave a mess for somebody else to clean up. It's a supremely stupid selfish act from people who can't see anything other than their own precious ego.


So you'd prefer things to be less representational? Maybe everything should be just the way you want it?
 
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