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2020-08-25 5:35:51 PM  

born_yesterday: fiddlehead: Saiga410: Do whatever you want but it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.  About the only thing that I will cut off friends are drugs.  I dont mind if you do them but if you start in a full on addiction spiral and you do not listen to everyone trying to help you... well you are not bringing me down with you.  Have only done that twice.  They finally bounced from bottom and we talk years later.

Is "LGBT people should not be treated like second class citizens" an "ideology"? Because I'm perfectly happy removing people from my life that question that.

Can we add "Black people shouldnt be murdered by police?"  I know, I'm a radical.


Hell, this country is still fiercely fighting over "Women should have bodily autonomy."
 
2020-08-25 5:35:57 PM  

drewogatory: I've always,always voted third party


Knew you were an asshole, and you went and confirmed it.
 
2020-08-25 5:36:36 PM  

Needlessly Complicated: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

Prescriptivists are funny, and stupid.

So are people who make up words.

Try to be better than them.

All words are made up.

Wow, you're just so clever. So has your junior high started classes again yet?

By the way, don't be surprised when no one takes you seriously in the future. I tried to help you, but if you want to signal to others that you are as gullible as the people in red-hats, that's up to you.

You know what? I'm Latina. I detest the word "Latinx." I didn't say anything because the person you responded to is clearly on my side in a supportive way and I don't want to be an asshole about things that don't really matter in this context. You're just being confrontational for no good reason. If you think you're striking a blow for anyone or anything, you're not. This is just extremely off-putting

It doesn't matter, that's not what this thread is about. Let it go.


I will gladly refer to you as Latina (I am awful with names, so you may need to remind me if I use Latinx to describe you, but I will make an effort). The intention is 100 percent to respect what people wish to be called, and if you don't want to be called that, I don't want to use it for you.
 
2020-08-25 5:37:19 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: I hope you'll block me then. A lot of other farkers also stick their heads in the sand, and if they have to come up for air, they close their eyes, stick their fingers in their ears, and scream LALALALALA as loudly as they can to drown it out. I hope it helps.


Don't you get it? A lot of us need people like you to treat like a chew toy as a proxy for people we actually care about.

It's hard to cut friends and family out of your life. It's painful. There's a sense of loss. And even if we haven't fully cut them out, A LOT of us are greatly reducing interactions.

And then here's a useful idiot who comes around spitting the same garbage, with middle finger extended and that mean, smug smile, and we get to unleash on you.

When you choose idiocy- and make no mistake, that's what you've done- you get to be subject of vitriol. And we hope it hurts. After all, you know what you people say about feelings...
 
2020-08-25 5:38:08 PM  

cocozilla: Saiga410: Do whatever you want but it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

This is not like disagreeing over a movie or NYC pizza vs whatever that thing they call pizza in Chicago. These are lives. This is safety. This is corruption. This is fascism .  These are people who , in another time, would be cheering Mussolini or Hitler. These are dangerously ignorant people who have surrendered their humanity and , to quote rod Serling..."These men decided to turn the Earth into a graveyard. Into it they shoveled all of their reason, their logic, their knowledge, but worse of all, their conscience. "


These are the people that would be pouring the milkshakes on the black sit in protesters.   These are the people that would cheer when the dogs and hoses were turned on civil rights.marchers.
 
2020-08-25 5:39:17 PM  

PunGent: Conservative?  No.

Trumpers?  Hell, yes.

There's nothing conservative about Trumpism.


Hand. In. Hand.
 
2020-08-25 5:40:07 PM  

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: I've always,always voted third party

Knew you were an asshole, and you went and confirmed it.


I'm an asshole for voting third party in California? I mean, every election is a Dem (hell, there's usually not even a Republican on the ticket for statewide elections) landslide, I'm happy to vote Green Party or whatever. It literally makes no difference. I did usually vote for Jerry Brown because I respect his work ethic though.
 
2020-08-25 5:40:44 PM  

Needlessly Complicated: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: There is no coming back. 

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Is this the house of someone you know?

I mean, Jesus Tapdancing Christ, what the hell.


Scroll up, I posted a story
 
2020-08-25 5:41:32 PM  

gunga galunga: He took issue with my Facebook page (which I have since quit, for good) and called me up to tell me that I was letting the liberal media tell me what to think.



The bitter irony of people who quote Rush or Hannity verbatim telling us that the media tells Liberals what and how to think.

Been true for almost 40 years now that you can tell exactly what Fox News was saying last night without ever watching it, because you'll hear all of the talking points parroted by every right winger you know the next day.
 
2020-08-25 5:41:42 PM  

shoegaze99: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: There is no coming back. 

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Jesus Christ.

People think I and others are engaging in hyperbole when we refer to this as a cult.

We're not.

But there is no need to tell you that. Looks like you're living it. Ugh.


Actual conversation with my 14 y/o daughter last week:

Her: Why do Trump people have so many t-shirts and swag and stuff? You don't see Biden fans doing that!

Me: Well, dear heart, it's because Trumpkinism is a cult, and the swag helps muffle the cognitive dissonance, especially if it's a quality cotton with a respectable thread count.

Her: Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought, I was just checking.
 
2020-08-25 5:42:16 PM  

drewogatory: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: I've always,always voted third party

Knew you were an asshole, and you went and confirmed it.

I'm an asshole for voting third party in California? I mean, every election is a Dem (hell, there's usually not even a Republican on the ticket for statewide elections) landslide, I'm happy to vote Green Party or whatever. It literally makes no difference. I did usually vote for Jerry Brown because I respect his work ethic though.


You know why you are a horrible person. You already told everyone in the thread.
 
2020-08-25 5:42:26 PM  

alto_reed_on_a_tenor_sax: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

Prescriptivists are funny, and stupid.

So are people who make up words.

Try to be better than them.

All words are made up.

Wow, you're just so clever. So has your junior high started classes again yet?

By the way, don't be surprised when no one takes you seriously in the future. I tried to help you, but if you want to signal to others that you are as gullible as the people in red-hats, that's up to you.

Actually, I have an advanced degree in the topic.

But, y'know, you can keep hiding your head in the sand while culture and therefore language continue to change around you.

Oh, so you're one of those over-educated white people who gets to tell others how their culture (and apparently language as well) is wrong. Whatever would the oppressed do without you to save them? Never mind what I said about you being as gullible as the red-hats; you are as racist. You just found a better way to hide it.

Yeah, don't be surprised when no one takes anything you say seriously, they'll be right not to.

I guess anybody seems "overeducated" if you're proud of being stupid.

I bolded the really ironic part, just in case anybody missed it.


The part you bolded is in reference to the idea being pushed that the Spanish language (and I guess all other Romance language) is deficient because it has two genders. The idea that people from outside a culture trying to dictate how that culture should change to better suit the outsides, is somehow respectful, which is patently absurd.

But I already said "good day" to that individual, and am dropping this issue.

Carry on.
 
2020-08-25 5:43:38 PM  

sleze: Difficulty:  Parents are Trumpists


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2020-08-25 5:45:00 PM  

g.fro: alto_reed_on_a_tenor_sax: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

Prescriptivists are funny, and stupid.

So are people who make up words.

Try to be better than them.

All words are made up.

Wow, you're just so clever. So has your junior high started classes again yet?

By the way, don't be surprised when no one takes you seriously in the future. I tried to help you, but if you want to signal to others that you are as gullible as the people in red-hats, that's up to you.

Actually, I have an advanced degree in the topic.

But, y'know, you can keep hiding your head in the sand while culture and therefore language continue to change around you.

Oh, so you're one of those over-educated white people who gets to tell others how their culture (and apparently language as well) is wrong. Whatever would the oppressed do without you to save them? Never mind what I said about you being as gullible as the red-hats; you are as racist. You just found a better way to hide it.

Yeah, don't be surprised when no one takes anything you say seriously, they'll be right not to.

I guess anybody seems "overeducated" if you're proud of being stupid.

I bolded the really ironic part, just in case anybody missed it.

The part you bolded is in reference to the idea being pushed that the Spanish language (and I guess all other Romance language) is deficient because it has two genders. The idea that people from outside a culture trying to dictate how that cul ...


You're reading a lot into a term that I use because I have been specifically asked to by friends of that culture because they don't believe that Latino or Latina are adequate to describe them. In English.
 
2020-08-25 5:45:59 PM  

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: There is no coming back. 

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2020-08-25 5:47:10 PM  

Leishu: I will gladly refer to you as Latina (I am awful with names, so you may need to remind me if I use Latinx to describe you, but I will make an effort). The intention is 100 percent to respect what people wish to be called, and if you don't want to be called that, I don't want to use it for you.


In that case, you shouldn't use it for anyone.
Only 2% of hispanic people polled identify with 'latinx', the other 98% reject it:   https://reason.com/2019/11/04/latinx​-p​oll-think-now-hispanics-2020-woke/
 
2020-08-25 5:47:15 PM  

rat_creature: Needlessly Complicated: You know what? I'm Latina. I detest the word "Latinx."

I was introduced to 'Latinx' by way of a Puerto Rican friend of mine. Since I'm nonbinary, and she has a nonbinary sibling, I thought it made sense.

/eh, different strokes, I guess?


I'm in PR speak Spanish (poorly) have spoken Spanish (poorly) all my adult life, totally respect the language gender issue for nonbinary Spanish speakers (or French, German, any) using Latinx for identity or orientation or gender. I get it, I STFU, don't question it. It's a really stupid thing to argue about, especially when you didn't farking have it as your first language anyway and doubly if you're cisgendered.

I will not use Latinx, because I'm unsure of appropriation. I can say "Black" or "African American" but since I've been alive those have been acceptable terms to the people who are described by them in my native language.  I'm not on the same footing with Latinx, but when I am, I will. No problem.

Thing here: all languages are artifacts they can change dramatically in short periods of time and don't be a dick trying to pedantically use a word that will cause someone (especially minorites) needless pain or misunderstanding when you can just say something farking else and still be understood.
 
2020-08-25 5:47:26 PM  

Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

Prescriptivists are funny, and stupid.

So are people who make up words.

Try to be better than them.

All words are made up.

Wow, you're just so clever. So has your junior high started classes again yet?

By the way, don't be surprised when no one takes you seriously in the future. I tried to help you, but if you want to signal to others that you are as gullible as the people in red-hats, that's up to you.

Actually, I have an advanced degree in the topic.

But, y'know, you can keep hiding your head in the sand while culture and therefore language continue to change around you.


Im surrounded by Hispanic people every day. The only place I hear "Latinx" is on NPR.

A different thread.

Carry on.
 
2020-08-25 5:48:14 PM  

drewogatory: rosekolodny: drewogatory: I have no idea what my friend's politics are. It's just not a subject I ever discuss, because I have zero interest. People can believe whatever stupid shiat they want, I'm not an educator.

You still have to live in the world they create.

Man, I just keep my head down and go to work and count the days until I can move to the ass end of nowhere.


I'm here, it's pretty cool, just make sure you don't need to work a job after you get here. I do, it's tough.
 
2020-08-25 5:48:59 PM  

twat_waffle: To me, it feels a bit like appropriation. We don't turn "Chicano" into "Chicanx," so why do it to "Latino."


Hi! Spanish major checking in. I would answer this question by saying that, speaking in the broadest strokes, the word "Latin[x]" has become kind of the default catch-all for any Spanish speaking person not from Spain, whereas Chicano is somewhat more narrow in usage. If Chicano were the default word for "brown Spanish speaker living in the U.S.," then you would absolutely see "Chicanx" being used, is my guess.

Note - I want to say again that I am speaking in VERY BROAD STROKES. There is no consensus on what difference there is between "Latino" and "Chicano," at least not back a few years when I was having this conversation. I don't have any official studies that say that "Latino" is even the more popular or commonly used word, either, but perhaps a simple Google Fight will bear me out:

https://www.googlefight.com/latino-vs​-​chicano.php

Is it a little contrived? Yeah, maybe. Name one significant effort towards being more innclusive that isn't a little contrived, though.
 
2020-08-25 5:49:04 PM  
CSB time.

I'm recently engaged. Once the news broke every person on my fiancée (fiancé?) side of the family basically said.

"Oh man do you know what you are marrying into?"

Yes. Kind people with good jobs who are moderate to liberal in their politics. My fiancée (or which ever) is marrying into a family full of hard core Trumpers deep down that Qanon bullshiat rabbit hole. I don't know how I escaped, but I'm glad I did. That amount of hate and paranoia can not be good for a person.
 
2020-08-25 5:50:11 PM  
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2020-08-25 5:50:16 PM  

Excelsior: In that case, you shouldn't use it for anyone.
Only 2% of hispanic people polled identify with 'latinx', the other 98% reject it:   https://reason.com/2019/11/04/latinx-​poll-think-now-hispanics-2020-woke/


Why? It takes me virtually no effort and shows respect for those who choose to be identified as such. I could definitely recognize an argument that I shouldn't leadwith it - It happens that the majority of people of those cultures that I associate with do choose to be IDed by the term in question - but I don't see "2 percent of this culture chooses to be IDed by this name" as rationale for never using that name.
 
2020-08-25 5:51:36 PM  

Leishu: twat_waffle: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

Prescriptivists are funny, and stupid.

But he's right. The Spanish language has two genders. This is just an attempt by mostly white liberals to shoehorn a neuter gender into Spanish as an exercise in performative wokeness. To me, it feels a bit like appropriation. We don't turn "Chicano" into "Chicanx," so why do it to "Latino."

I'm very conscious of the words I use to describe people. I use "aboriginal" or "First Nations" instead of "Indian" or "Native American." "Latinx" just feels contrived to me. I don't see the point.

He didn't say the spanish language - he said any language, and I was typing in English.


I really think we need at least a couple of Esperanto speakers to chime in. They got all kinds of weird shiat in that language, I bet "Latinx" is in there somewhere.
 
2020-08-25 5:52:47 PM  

alto_reed_on_a_tenor_sax: Leishu: twat_waffle: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

Prescriptivists are funny, and stupid.

But he's right. The Spanish language has two genders. This is just an attempt by mostly white liberals to shoehorn a neuter gender into Spanish as an exercise in performative wokeness. To me, it feels a bit like appropriation. We don't turn "Chicano" into "Chicanx," so why do it to "Latino."

I'm very conscious of the words I use to describe people. I use "aboriginal" or "First Nations" instead of "Indian" or "Native American." "Latinx" just feels contrived to me. I don't see the point.

He didn't say the spanish language - he said any language, and I was typing in English.

I really think we need at least a couple of Esperanto speakers to chime in. They got all kinds of weird shiat in that language, I bet "Latinx" is in there somewhere.


Esperanto is a language that simultaneously amuses and perplexes me, which results in further amusement.
 
2020-08-25 5:54:34 PM  

alto_reed_on_a_tenor_sax: Actual conversation with my 14 y/o daughter last week:

Her: Why do Trump people have so many t-shirts and swag and stuff? You don't see Biden fans doing that!

Me: Well, dear heart, it's because Trumpkinism is a cult, and the swag helps muffle the cognitive dissonance, especially if it's a quality cotton with a respectable thread count.

Her: Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought, I was just checking.


Yep, exactly right. What we are seeing is not normal. This is not how normal people support politicians.

It sucks because even if Biden wins in November, we'll be far from through this. It's going to take a long time to rebuild and heal, and since there would likely to be a woman of color running in 2024 if Biden wins, there is a solid chance we flip right back to Trumpism.

I fear even a Biden win will only be a brief respite from it.
 
2020-08-25 5:55:22 PM  

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: I've always,always voted third party

Knew you were an asshole, and you went and confirmed it.

I'm an asshole for voting third party in California? I mean, every election is a Dem (hell, there's usually not even a Republican on the ticket for statewide elections) landslide, I'm happy to vote Green Party or whatever. It literally makes no difference. I did usually vote for Jerry Brown because I respect his work ethic though.

You know why you are a horrible person. You already told everyone in the thread.


I've voted for actual socialists, communists and probably anarchists and I'm the problem? The 2 party system is a pathetic joke, one of the more clearly obvious solutions is more parties. 2 farking parties is only 1 better than 1 farking party. Since there's zero swing risk in California, it's the perfect place to do it. Now, notice how I can disagree with you without resorting to personal attacks?
 
2020-08-25 5:55:36 PM  
I have. I think you should, too.
 
2020-08-25 5:56:05 PM  

shoegaze99: alto_reed_on_a_tenor_sax: Actual conversation with my 14 y/o daughter last week:

Her: Why do Trump people have so many t-shirts and swag and stuff? You don't see Biden fans doing that!

Me: Well, dear heart, it's because Trumpkinism is a cult, and the swag helps muffle the cognitive dissonance, especially if it's a quality cotton with a respectable thread count.

Her: Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought, I was just checking.

Yep, exactly right. What we are seeing is not normal. This is not how normal people support politicians.

It sucks because even if Biden wins in November, we'll be far from through this. It's going to take a long time to rebuild and heal, and since there would likely to be a woman of color running in 2024 if Biden wins, there is a solid chance we flip right back to Trumpism.

I fear even a Biden win will only be a brief respite from it.


Especially when one considers that they have no desire or intentions to rebuild and heal in the slightesr, at all, whatsoever.
 
2020-08-25 5:57:19 PM  

drewogatory: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: I've always,always voted third party

Knew you were an asshole, and you went and confirmed it.

I'm an asshole for voting third party in California? I mean, every election is a Dem (hell, there's usually not even a Republican on the ticket for statewide elections) landslide, I'm happy to vote Green Party or whatever. It literally makes no difference. I did usually vote for Jerry Brown because I respect his work ethic though.

You know why you are a horrible person. You already told everyone in the thread.

I've voted for actual socialists, communists and probably anarchists and I'm the problem? The 2 party system is a pathetic joke, one of the more clearly obvious solutions is more parties. 2 farking parties is only 1 better than 1 farking party. Since there's zero swing risk in California, it's the perfect place to do it. Now, notice how I can disagree with you without resorting to personal attacks?


If I may: Do you believe that people in swing states should not be voting third party, then?

I have my opinions on this, but this is definitely a matter in which I find myself constantly questioning my own views.
 
2020-08-25 5:57:27 PM  

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2020-08-25 5:57:44 PM  

alto_reed_on_a_tenor_sax: Leishu: twat_waffle: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

Prescriptivists are funny, and stupid.

But he's right. The Spanish language has two genders. This is just an attempt by mostly white liberals to shoehorn a neuter gender into Spanish as an exercise in performative wokeness. To me, it feels a bit like appropriation. We don't turn "Chicano" into "Chicanx," so why do it to "Latino."

I'm very conscious of the words I use to describe people. I use "aboriginal" or "First Nations" instead of "Indian" or "Native American." "Latinx" just feels contrived to me. I don't see the point.

He didn't say the spanish language - he said any language, and I was typing in English.

I really think we need at least a couple of Esperanto speakers to chime in. They got all kinds of weird shiat in that language, I bet "Latinx" is in there somewhere.


I did don't Esperanto in duolingo which I'm pretty obsessive with in Spanish (I can barely  hold conversations) and French (I've gotten to where the gendarmerie only laugh at my French instead of throwing me in jail for mispronouncing "croissant)

My first blush? Esperanto is still way too complex and with too many squiggles to be a universal language.

What were we talking about?
 
2020-08-25 5:57:52 PM  

drewogatory: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: I've always,always voted third party

Knew you were an asshole, and you went and confirmed it.

I'm an asshole for voting third party in California? I mean, every election is a Dem (hell, there's usually not even a Republican on the ticket for statewide elections) landslide, I'm happy to vote Green Party or whatever. It literally makes no difference. I did usually vote for Jerry Brown because I respect his work ethic though.

You know why you are a horrible person. You already told everyone in the thread.

I've voted for actual socialists, communists and probably anarchists and I'm the problem? The 2 party system is a pathetic joke, one of the more clearly obvious solutions is more parties. 2 farking parties is only 1 better than 1 farking party. Since there's zero swing risk in California, it's the perfect place to do it. Now, notice how I can disagree with you without resorting to personal attacks?


You know why.
 
2020-08-25 5:58:03 PM  
I have a very close friend of about 37 years. A friend who went to a different school that lived in the neighborhood of another friend I knew from my Catholic HS.  He's as conservative as you can imagine. Young Earth Creationist Evangelical ... 'nuf said.  We were friends for a year or two when somehow the story of Noah's Arc came up and he informed me that he believed it to be literal history.

He spent many years as a "backslider", dealing meth, smoking weed, and partying, so even though I wasn't too into the meth back then, we spent many of our 20's years hanging out (not only because of the partying) and then he was 'born again', met a girl at his church and got married. I was part of the wedding party, but on wedding day, it was clear that I was eyed with great suspicion.

Anyway, that was over 20 years ago and while I don't see him often these days, we are still in close contact. We play golf maybe once a year, take in a Sixers game here and there and we even took a trip to Europe a few years ago. He's a great guy and I love him and I'm sure he loves me. But over the years, with a few exceptions, we've learned to just not talk about politics.

I was able to take that Europe trip only because his job has taken him all over the world such that he had so many travel miles that he offered to cover my trans-Atlantic airfare (both ways)...  flights between e.g. Amsterdam and Rome were cheap AF!  But without a hint of self-awareness, he told me that when he is traveling for work, he always declares that he is Canadian to the locals (merchants, cab drivers, hotel workers, etc).  We had a weird experience in a cab (Uber?  I forget) in Dublin when the driver asked us about Trump. Seemed clear to me that he expected us to be of like mind seemed genuinely confused when my buddy expressed his support while I called Trump an idiot.  I think he was amazed that we could express those thoughts in front of each other and still be civil.

Anyway, that's a farking long-ass story to say that it is possible to be friends with a Trumper.  I don't think I could make a new friend with a Trumper. But I've known this man for over 30 years and we have a long history of experiences and memories that I think well outweigh our political differences.   If I had long friendships with Trumpers where I was able to look past their politics, meaning that there is an unspoken agreement to avoid politics in casual conversation/situations, I can keep those friendships with no problem.
 
2020-08-25 5:59:35 PM  

yohohogreengiant: I did don't Esperanto


[insert joke about what Esperanto does to your brain]
 
2020-08-25 6:04:55 PM  

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: For those curious, the picture of the shrine wall is from the grandmothers house, Who until a few years ago, was a NY born, moved to FL Democrat.
That was until the Fox nation attacked. 
My Mother built the shrine for her, and helped her decorate with those oh so lovely other things. 
You'll note in the first picture, Grandpa's flag is at the bottom, it has been on the mantel for decades until my mother got her hands on it for the TRUMPINFURER Shrine. 
Then his flag went to the bottom, surrounded by Icons of a man who never served..
In the later picture, the clear one you see, its up higher now, as I lost my shiat one year and brought that subject up (Grandpa was a lifelong Democrat) 
Now its a little higher up on the shrine, still surrounded by Trump Icons. 
I haven't been back to visit my mother or grandmother in over a year and changed, The most contact Ive had was to mail them some masks.


Sorry. (._.) Sincerely. Both my parents are dead, so I don't have to hear any lunacy from either of them. Apparently, my brother (I have 2 sisters and a brother) is still on the moron train, but we don't discuss politics. If he had anything like that in his house, I'd probably avoid him, but he doesn't. I saw him this past weekend.
 
2020-08-25 6:05:52 PM  
Thank you subbyfor bringing this topic up.

I'm struggling with cutting out family and friends. It helps to hear how others deal with it. I have actually cried tears of grief over "losing" my brother and his family.

Stay sane everybody.
 
2020-08-25 6:07:09 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: PunGent: Conservative?  No.

Trumpers?  Hell, yes.

There's nothing conservative about Trumpism.

They're completely the same.


Nuhuh, conservatives know not to say the quiet part out loud.
 
2020-08-25 6:07:53 PM  

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: I've always,always voted third party

Knew you were an asshole, and you went and confirmed it.

I'm an asshole for voting third party in California? I mean, every election is a Dem (hell, there's usually not even a Republican on the ticket for statewide elections) landslide, I'm happy to vote Green Party or whatever. It literally makes no difference. I did usually vote for Jerry Brown because I respect his work ethic though.

You know why you are a horrible person. You already told everyone in the thread.

I've voted for actual socialists, communists and probably anarchists and I'm the problem? The 2 party system is a pathetic joke, one of the more clearly obvious solutions is more parties. 2 farking parties is only 1 better than 1 farking party. Since there's zero swing risk in California, it's the perfect place to do it. Now, notice how I can disagree with you without resorting to personal attacks?

You know why.


Did we date?
 
2020-08-25 6:08:30 PM  

Excelsior: Leishu: I will gladly refer to you as Latina (I am awful with names, so you may need to remind me if I use Latinx to describe you, but I will make an effort). The intention is 100 percent to respect what people wish to be called, and if you don't want to be called that, I don't want to use it for you.

In that case, you shouldn't use it for anyone.
Only 2% of hispanic people polled identify with 'latinx', the other 98% reject it:   https://reason.com/2019/11/04/latinx-​poll-think-now-hispanics-2020-woke/


Reason.com - the website that wants to deport all brown people.
 
2020-08-25 6:09:13 PM  

alto_reed_on_a_tenor_sax: yohohogreengiant: I did don't Esperanto

[insert joke about what Esperanto does to your brain]


Yeah.

Second language to me is way easier after the second drink.

Sadly I'm more likely to regret what I said in that language the following day.
 
2020-08-25 6:09:23 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: For those curious, the picture of the shrine wall is from the grandmothers house, Who until a few years ago, was a NY born, moved to FL Democrat.
That was until the Fox nation attacked. 
My Mother built the shrine for her, and helped her decorate with those oh so lovely other things. 
You'll note in the first picture, Grandpa's flag is at the bottom, it has been on the mantel for decades until my mother got her hands on it for the TRUMPINFURER Shrine. 
Then his flag went to the bottom, surrounded by Icons of a man who never served..
In the later picture, the clear one you see, its up higher now, as I lost my shiat one year and brought that subject up (Grandpa was a lifelong Democrat) 
Now its a little higher up on the shrine, still surrounded by Trump Icons. 
I haven't been back to visit my mother or grandmother in over a year and changed, The most contact Ive had was to mail them some masks.

Sorry. (._.) Sincerely. Both my parents are dead, so I don't have to hear any lunacy from either of them. Apparently, my brother (I have 2 sisters and a brother) is still on the moron train, but we don't discuss politics. If he had anything like that in his house, I'd probably avoid him, but he doesn't. I saw him this past weekend.


He doesn't have anything like that... yet... Yet.

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2020-08-25 6:11:21 PM  
I've been shunning shiatheels since way before trump became a thing.  It's refreshing to see many other people see the light, though.
 
2020-08-25 6:11:55 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: It is your obligation to do so.


can anyone code an algorithm for this:

there can only be two reasons why you are a Republican/Trumper Fan:

1) you are a trust fund baby and/or someone who is living large off the current corrupt sytem and want that system to continue, for obvious reasons.

and/or


2) you are dumb.
 
2020-08-25 6:12:14 PM  
I think it's a bit weird, because within the LGBTQIA+ spectrum, the answer of yes to Subby's question is taken as common sense. People who profess hate to queer folk are a threat to me, so they don't get to share my space if I can avoid it.

It's as simple as that. Self-preservation.
 
2020-08-25 6:13:03 PM  

Leishu: drewogatory: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: I've always,always voted third party

Knew you were an asshole, and you went and confirmed it.

I'm an asshole for voting third party in California? I mean, every election is a Dem (hell, there's usually not even a Republican on the ticket for statewide elections) landslide, I'm happy to vote Green Party or whatever. It literally makes no difference. I did usually vote for Jerry Brown because I respect his work ethic though.

You know why you are a horrible person. You already told everyone in the thread.

I've voted for actual socialists, communists and probably anarchists and I'm the problem? The 2 party system is a pathetic joke, one of the more clearly obvious solutions is more parties. 2 farking parties is only 1 better than 1 farking party. Since there's zero swing risk in California, it's the perfect place to do it. Now, notice how I can disagree with you without resorting to personal attacks?

If I may: Do you believe that people in swing states should not be voting third party, then?

I have my opinions on this, but this is definitely a matter in which I find myself constantly questioning my own views.


Gotta vote your conscience. It's just easier here in California. I don't actually agree with either party so I'm not really torn. I believe in a much more pragmatic form of government in general. If I lived somewhere I could cock block Trump though, I certainly would.
 
2020-08-25 6:13:42 PM  

drewogatory: Leishu: drewogatory: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: drewogatory: I've always,always voted third party

Knew you were an asshole, and you went and confirmed it.

I'm an asshole for voting third party in California? I mean, every election is a Dem (hell, there's usually not even a Republican on the ticket for statewide elections) landslide, I'm happy to vote Green Party or whatever. It literally makes no difference. I did usually vote for Jerry Brown because I respect his work ethic though.

You know why you are a horrible person. You already told everyone in the thread.

I've voted for actual socialists, communists and probably anarchists and I'm the problem? The 2 party system is a pathetic joke, one of the more clearly obvious solutions is more parties. 2 farking parties is only 1 better than 1 farking party. Since there's zero swing risk in California, it's the perfect place to do it. Now, notice how I can disagree with you without resorting to personal attacks?

If I may: Do you believe that people in swing states should not be voting third party, then?

I have my opinions on this, but this is definitely a matter in which I find myself constantly questioning my own views.

Gotta vote your conscience. It's just easier here in California. I don't actually agree with either party so I'm not really torn. I believe in a much more pragmatic form of government in general. If I lived somewhere I could cock block Trump though, I certainly would.


Thank you for elaborating.
 
2020-08-25 6:15:38 PM  

Leishu: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

About as much as people should tolerate "Latinx"

So... using respectful language to describe people is just as bad as putting children in cages?

You seem to have a... rather big truncation problem in your priorities.


The level of tolerance should be none for both.

We've had threads over this. The only people using the term seem to be NPR and white people. Anecdotally I've never heard any Hispanic people think it's a better term. They usually laugh and ask what kind of honky shiat is that? Maybe I need to ask more ladies. I don't know. One thing is clear, when this state goes Hispanic majority in a few short years, it will be fun watching heads explode and pearls clutched at the perceived loss of "identity". Which means white identity.

Anyway, I'm on your side and this moment in pedantry brought to you by no one.
 
2020-08-25 6:15:40 PM  

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: There is no coming back. 

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2020-08-25 6:16:05 PM  

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: Smelly Pirate Hooker: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: For those curious, the picture of the shrine wall is from the grandmothers house, Who until a few years ago, was a NY born, moved to FL Democrat.
That was until the Fox nation attacked. 
My Mother built the shrine for her, and helped her decorate with those oh so lovely other things. 
You'll note in the first picture, Grandpa's flag is at the bottom, it has been on the mantel for decades until my mother got her hands on it for the TRUMPINFURER Shrine. 
Then his flag went to the bottom, surrounded by Icons of a man who never served..
In the later picture, the clear one you see, its up higher now, as I lost my shiat one year and brought that subject up (Grandpa was a lifelong Democrat) 
Now its a little higher up on the shrine, still surrounded by Trump Icons. 
I haven't been back to visit my mother or grandmother in over a year and changed, The most contact Ive had was to mail them some masks.

Sorry. (._.) Sincerely. Both my parents are dead, so I don't have to hear any lunacy from either of them. Apparently, my brother (I have 2 sisters and a brother) is still on the moron train, but we don't discuss politics. If he had anything like that in his house, I'd probably avoid him, but he doesn't. I saw him this past weekend.

He doesn't have anything like that... yet... Yet.

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Well, I haven't seen the inside of his closet. Maybe he's got it in there. If he had one but was hiding it, that would indicate some awareness that having a literal shrine to literally the worst person on earth was insane. When I see any evidence of worship, like a sign in the yard or any other crap like that, yeah, I'll be avoiding him. Not that hard to do. We don't hang all that often.
 
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