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2020-08-25 4:44:54 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: It is your obligation to do so.


No, it your obligation to take their derp to the next level.

Don't just be for voter ID, be for one voting location in each country, with a single line per 10k people, where each line must be monitored by a representative from each party with 1% or more registration, the only people allowed to vote absentee are soldiers deployed overseas, and everyone else much show up in person at the polls, which are only open from 0800-2000.

Demand the Rethuglicans stop stealing your tax money to redistribute wealth to those lazy rural no-goodnik soshulists, with refrigerators, using that money to eat big government steaks and lobsters, while driving around in luxury cars. They can't afford to bus their own kids to school they can raise their own taxes, have a bake sale, or maybe merge school districts.

Take a Rethuglican Party talking point, crank it to 11. Say if they don't support the changes they want (in these two examples) elections stolen and soshulizms. I go to the diner (outside seating for now) near home and most of what's left of the Trumpublicans scatter when the car pulls in because they know I'll highlight all that ebil big gubbermint money they're suckling from the big gubbermint teat.

Embrace, and extend, their idea to turn it against them in ways they weren't expecting to happen. The soshulizms argument is great. Honestly though, hammer on the voting one for now. They backpedal on all that shiat fast when they figure out they're going to be in line, probably for hours, plus adding 15-30 minutes each way just to get to/from the polling station. When they balk, start calling them durty soshulists.
 
2020-08-25 4:45:14 PM  
I did not agree with Bush supporters (either) and we occasionally had words but it didn't end any friendships.

And as an old dude I know all kinds of reagan worshippers and we co-existed just fine. They seem to have vanished at this point but there used to be legions of them.

Trump is different - if you openly support him at this point we're just done. There's no common ground what with you openly signaling you have no human decency and all.
 
2020-08-25 4:45:51 PM  

edmo: My good friends' politics are pretty close to mine. My casual friends, theirs are all over the map. The saddest part of the Trump era has been finding out just how racist some of them are. It never came out before.


Yup.

Won't speak to several people that I know because of their now-blatant racism. They asked me why, and I called them out on their racist BS. They looked at me and claimed that those were just facts, and that they're not at all racist.

Sigh.

Sometimes I am so blind . . .
 
2020-08-25 4:46:10 PM  

Resin33: My husband, our 10-year old daughter, and I are all progressive liberals.

Oh fark off.


What, you don't think 10 year old kids have an opinion? I can assure you they do, and it might be a little more nuanced than you think.

Sure, like religion, it's a lot of "I believe what Mommy and Daddy believe", but every now and then they'll hit you with some stuff that just makes you go "wow, you're paying more attention than I gave you credit for."
 
2020-08-25 4:47:04 PM  

Saiga410: Do whatever you want but it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.  About the only thing that I will cut off friends are drugs.  I dont mind if you do them but if you start in a full on addiction spiral and you do not listen to everyone trying to help you... well you are not bringing me down with you.  Have only done that twice.  They finally bounced from bottom and we talk years later.


The guy defending Proud Boys is going to tell the rest of us how to handle having our ideologies questioned, everyone.

Feel free to mock the everloving fark out of this waste of time.
 
2020-08-25 4:47:16 PM  

Saiga410: Do whatever you want but it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.  About the only thing that I will cut off friends are drugs.  I dont mind if you do them but if you start in a full on addiction spiral and you do not listen to everyone trying to help you... well you are not bringing me down with you.  Have only done that twice.  They finally bounced from bottom and we talk years later.


Is "LGBT people should not be treated like second class citizens" an "ideology"? Because I'm perfectly happy removing people from my life that question that.
 
2020-08-25 4:47:23 PM  

Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

Prescriptivists are funny, and stupid.

So are people who make up words.

Try to be better than them.

All words are made up.


Wow, you're just so clever. So has your junior high started classes again yet?

By the way, don't be surprised when no one takes you seriously in the future. I tried to help you, but if you want to signal to others that you are as gullible as the people in red-hats, that's up to you.
 
2020-08-25 4:48:00 PM  
I do this with family as much as possible but with some I do want some of their shiat when they die, so I have to be a bit congenial so as to not be left out of the will.
 
2020-08-25 4:48:17 PM  

g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

Prescriptivists are funny, and stupid.

So are people who make up words.

Try to be better than them.

All words are made up.

Wow, you're just so clever. So has your junior high started classes again yet?

By the way, don't be surprised when no one takes you seriously in the future. I tried to help you, but if you want to signal to others that you are as gullible as the people in red-hats, that's up to you.


Actually, I have an advanced degree in the topic.

But, y'know, you can keep hiding your head in the sand while culture and therefore language continue to change around you.
 
2020-08-25 4:48:35 PM  

Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?


You heard the person, it's wrong of you to stop hanging out with bigots.  The only acceptable people to cut from your life are addicts who need your help the most.  Those people can get bent.
 
2020-08-25 4:50:15 PM  

gonegirl: Maybe you'll get lucky and won't have to dump them at all: One of the Trumpers in my parents' friend circle (who I grew up fearing and hating) dropped dead of Covid. It felt wonderful.


I heard it doesn't affect people like them, so I assume you are lying.
 
2020-08-25 4:50:33 PM  

OrionXVI: gunga galunga: I dumped them all.

All that's left is my mother and my brother. I can't dump them.

Fortunately, they know not to bring up Trump while I am around.

Brothers you can.  I've had to (2 in my case; they've gone full banjo).  Mothers may be harder to dump.


Last time my brother and I discussed politics was before Trump. He took issue with my Facebook page (which I have since quit, for good) and called me up to tell me that I was letting the liberal media tell me what to think. I gave it back to him with both barrels saying that I found that insulting that the implication was that I was too stupid to form my own thoughts or ideas. Also adding, "and by the way, what are your farking unimpeachable sources of information". Since the answer to that question would have been Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, he changed the subject and we've never discussed politics since.

However, I do know from my brother-in-law, whose mother is Facebook friends with my brother's wife, that my brother got a Donald Trump birthday cake for his 50th.

He would have given me no end of shiat if I were ever to have gotten a Obama or a Hillary Clinton birthday cake, and he'd be right to do so. But as long as he is not bringing up politics, neither will I.
 
2020-08-25 4:50:44 PM  

RobotSpider: True story:

I'm thinking of having an addition put on my garage to build a workshop. Someone down the road is having the exact same thing done right now. I don't know them, but was going to stop and say "hey, who are you using, what restrictions are there, etc." Driving by one day I saw a Trump 2020 sign in their yard and thought "nah, I'll just call around to contractors". I hate that I made that decision based on that. But this is so far beyond just "party politics" at this point. If it was ONLY "politics", it'd be fine. We can disagree all day. But the conspiracies and threats and lies and stoking the flames of fear... it's all just too much. I don't want anything to do with someone who supports that. Which, now that I think about it, will make it hard to find a contractor.


Don't sweat it. They probably hired their current contractor because of a Jesus fish in the Yellow Pages ad.
"This guy won't fark us over, he has a Jesus fish!"
 
2020-08-25 4:50:52 PM  

g.fro: I tried to help you, but if you want to signal to others that you are as gullible as the people in red-hats, that's up to you.


Also. Hey guys. I found the never Trumper republican in the thread.

Using language that is respectful to people = Gullibility.

Okay, karen.
 
2020-08-25 4:51:55 PM  
I lost friends 2016 when I made clear that I have zero respect for anyone who plans to vote for Trump, do not and will not respect their choice, and will think less of anyone who does it.

At that time, it was their choice to sever connections. Several did. I was and remain okay with that.

This time around, it's been my choice..

While I think you'd had to have been blind and stupid to vote for him in 2016, I know some people don't pay attention to politics at all and go for surface only. They knew his name, almost nothing else, and voted blind. I don't respect that and think people like that farked the country, but fine. People I knew who weren't politically engaged in 2016, I just waited to see if they'd learn.

Now, after four years and it now being clearer than ever what he is?

Nope, will not be friends with an open Trump supporter. Won't do it.
 
2020-08-25 4:53:08 PM  

drewogatory: I have no idea what my friend's politics are. It's just not a subject I ever discuss, because I have zero interest. People can believe whatever stupid shiat they want, I'm not an educator.


Translation: I live in such a place and position of privilege that my friends politics, and politics in general is of no concern to me, I know I'll always be ok, and I don't care about anyone who isn't. They aren't people unless I know them personally and they somehow matter to me.
 
2020-08-25 4:53:33 PM  

gunga galunga: my brother got a Donald Trump birthday cake for his 50th.


I'm imagining a rum cake that requires a drunk Russian prostitute *shudders*
 
2020-08-25 4:53:57 PM  

gunga galunga: OrionXVI: gunga galunga: I dumped them all.

All that's left is my mother and my brother. I can't dump them.

Fortunately, they know not to bring up Trump while I am around.

Brothers you can.  I've had to (2 in my case; they've gone full banjo).  Mothers may be harder to dump.

Last time my brother and I discussed politics was before Trump. He took issue with my Facebook page (which I have since quit, for good) and called me up to tell me that I was letting the liberal media tell me what to think. I gave it back to him with both barrels saying that I found that insulting that the implication was that I was too stupid to form my own thoughts or ideas. Also adding, "and by the way, what are your farking unimpeachable sources of information". Since the answer to that question would have been Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, he changed the subject and we've never discussed politics since.

However, I do know from my brother-in-law, whose mother is Facebook friends with my brother's wife, that my brother got a Donald Trump birthday cake for his 50th.

He would have given me no end of shiat if I were ever to have gotten a Obama or a Hillary Clinton birthday cake, and he'd be right to do so. But as long as he is not bringing up politics, neither will I.


You should bring up the birthday cake every year from now on. What is he, five? How farking pathetic, even if Trump wasn't a vile pack of pus.
 
2020-08-25 4:54:55 PM  

Saiga410: Do whatever you want but it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.


It has nothing to do with my ideology being "questioned,"and EVERYTHING to with the fact that Trump is an inveterate c*nt.

If you support him, YOU'RE a c*nt as well, and who would voluntarily be friends with that?
 
2020-08-25 4:55:05 PM  

Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: g.fro: Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?

Just FYI:  "latinx" is not a word in any language.

Prescriptivists are funny, and stupid.

So are people who make up words.

Try to be better than them.

All words are made up.

Wow, you're just so clever. So has your junior high started classes again yet?

By the way, don't be surprised when no one takes you seriously in the future. I tried to help you, but if you want to signal to others that you are as gullible as the people in red-hats, that's up to you.

Actually, I have an advanced degree in the topic.

But, y'know, you can keep hiding your head in the sand while culture and therefore language continue to change around you.


Oh, so you're one of those over-educated white people who gets to tell others how their culture (and apparently language as well) is wrong. Whatever would the oppressed do without you to save them? Never mind what I said about you being as gullible as the red-hats; you are as racist. You just found a better way to hide it.

Yeah, don't be surprised when no one takes anything you say seriously, they'll be right not to.
 
2020-08-25 4:55:33 PM  
Pro-Trump is Anti-Me (and a whole lotta others), so yes.
 
2020-08-25 4:56:11 PM  

Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?


I dont know who you have been hanging out with but I have yet to know a single conservative that is your strawmen.
 
2020-08-25 4:56:56 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: gunga galunga: OrionXVI: gunga galunga: I dumped them all.

All that's left is my mother and my brother. I can't dump them.

Fortunately, they know not to bring up Trump while I am around.

Brothers you can.  I've had to (2 in my case; they've gone full banjo).  Mothers may be harder to dump.

Last time my brother and I discussed politics was before Trump. He took issue with my Facebook page (which I have since quit, for good) and called me up to tell me that I was letting the liberal media tell me what to think. I gave it back to him with both barrels saying that I found that insulting that the implication was that I was too stupid to form my own thoughts or ideas. Also adding, "and by the way, what are your farking unimpeachable sources of information". Since the answer to that question would have been Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, he changed the subject and we've never discussed politics since.

However, I do know from my brother-in-law, whose mother is Facebook friends with my brother's wife, that my brother got a Donald Trump birthday cake for his 50th.

He would have given me no end of shiat if I were ever to have gotten a Obama or a Hillary Clinton birthday cake, and he'd be right to do so. But as long as he is not bringing up politics, neither will I.

You should bring up the birthday cake every year from now on. What is he, five? How farking pathetic, even if Trump wasn't a vile pack of pus.


GIS "Trump cake"

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Enjoy your nightmares.

/Is his head cream-filled?
 
2020-08-25 4:57:09 PM  
From the article, the letter-writer is Asian and the "friend" has repeatedly said racist things about Asian people.

So from my perspective the question of whether she should dump a friend due to politics is a moot issue - the woman is not her friend.
 
2020-08-25 4:57:10 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: You should repay the money you owe them first, they'll probably even forgive some to be rid of you.


If only that was true with you. If only.
 
2020-08-25 4:57:16 PM  
Before the GOP really started to go off the rails blatantly crazy during the Obama years I would say you are being a dick for dumping your friends due to political beliefs.

Now, after everything we have seen if there is anyone who is  a devout supporter of what Trump is trying to do then you can by all means delete them from your life.

Life is already difficult enough without having to placate members of a death cult.
 
2020-08-25 4:58:08 PM  

Porous Horace: Pro-Trump is Anti-Me (and a whole lotta others), so yes.


Yeah, but isn't it your own fault for being one of the many groups of people that Republicans clearly want to eliminate? Just be cool and meet them halfway by only existing a little bit.
 
2020-08-25 4:58:10 PM  
They are Trump supporters, make racist comments,

Well there's your answer, right in your question.
 
2020-08-25 4:58:15 PM  

Saiga410: Do whatever you want but it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.  About the only thing that I will cut off friends are drugs.  I dont mind if you do them but if you start in a full on addiction spiral and you do not listen to everyone trying to help you... well you are not bringing me down with you.  Have only done that twice.  They finally bounced from bottom and we talk years later.


I don't think in this case that it is simply a concern of having your own ideology questioned. We are beyond that. I don't lump all conservatives to be as bad as true Trumpers, but I'm more than content to disown people of the letter who water the seeds of an ideology that would be happy to imprison its political opponents if they could.

Basically, I have a conscience and as such cannot in any way be associated with hardcore Trumpers.
 
2020-08-25 4:58:23 PM  
Some people have gone full Tribal. They can never be brought back. Ever. 

This is something we have to accept. I've lost family. No amount of facts will bring my family back from this. 

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2020-08-25 4:59:19 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: gunga galunga: OrionXVI: gunga galunga: I dumped them all.

All that's left is my mother and my brother. I can't dump them.

Fortunately, they know not to bring up Trump while I am around.

Brothers you can.  I've had to (2 in my case; they've gone full banjo).  Mothers may be harder to dump.

Last time my brother and I discussed politics was before Trump. He took issue with my Facebook page (which I have since quit, for good) and called me up to tell me that I was letting the liberal media tell me what to think. I gave it back to him with both barrels saying that I found that insulting that the implication was that I was too stupid to form my own thoughts or ideas. Also adding, "and by the way, what are your farking unimpeachable sources of information". Since the answer to that question would have been Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, he changed the subject and we've never discussed politics since.

However, I do know from my brother-in-law, whose mother is Facebook friends with my brother's wife, that my brother got a Donald Trump birthday cake for his 50th.

He would have given me no end of shiat if I were ever to have gotten a Obama or a Hillary Clinton birthday cake, and he'd be right to do so. But as long as he is not bringing up politics, neither will I.

You should bring up the birthday cake every year from now on. What is he, five? How farking pathetic, even if Trump wasn't a vile pack of pus.


I want to. But l like I said, if he isn't bringing up politics, then there is no reason for me to.

Oh, and he also got his boys Rush Limbaugh coloring books and her forbids them to watch Nova because they cover non-Republican approved science, such as global warming. However, when our sister and her husband raised their kids to support Obama, he referred to that without any sense of irony as "indoctrination".
 
2020-08-25 5:00:22 PM  

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: Some people have gone full Tribal. They can never be brought back. Ever. 

This is something we have to accept. I've lost family. No amount of facts will bring my family back from this. 

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Have you called them cultists? I fear I may eventually let that one slip and I'd like to know how it will be received.
 
2020-08-25 5:00:25 PM  

fiddlehead: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: gunga galunga: OrionXVI: gunga galunga: I dumped them all.

All that's left is my mother and my brother. I can't dump them.

Fortunately, they know not to bring up Trump while I am around.

Brothers you can.  I've had to (2 in my case; they've gone full banjo).  Mothers may be harder to dump.

Last time my brother and I discussed politics was before Trump. He took issue with my Facebook page (which I have since quit, for good) and called me up to tell me that I was letting the liberal media tell me what to think. I gave it back to him with both barrels saying that I found that insulting that the implication was that I was too stupid to form my own thoughts or ideas. Also adding, "and by the way, what are your farking unimpeachable sources of information". Since the answer to that question would have been Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, he changed the subject and we've never discussed politics since.

However, I do know from my brother-in-law, whose mother is Facebook friends with my brother's wife, that my brother got a Donald Trump birthday cake for his 50th.

He would have given me no end of shiat if I were ever to have gotten a Obama or a Hillary Clinton birthday cake, and he'd be right to do so. But as long as he is not bringing up politics, neither will I.

You should bring up the birthday cake every year from now on. What is he, five? How farking pathetic, even if Trump wasn't a vile pack of pus.

GIS "Trump cake"

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Enjoy your nightmares.

/Is his head cream-filled?


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I think I laughed 5 minutes straight at the reveal.  Too bad I cannot find a good picture.
 
2020-08-25 5:00:37 PM  

dickfreckle: Not all conservatives are jerks. My ex GF (more like a common law wife) is a Republican and she DESPISES Trump. And not in the Susan Collins way. Despite me being a political junkie we didn't argue about politics much. It was understood that I was a raging liberal and that she voted for George W Bush.

We are very close friends to this day. She even flies up here at least once a year and we have a blast. But here's the thing: she isn't racist, a corona hoaxer, a maskless "mah rights!" or any of that trash that seems amplified these days. She's a wonderful girl, is all. Just happens to be a Republican. I think she's deluding herself but it's really none of my business unless she brings it up.

BUT: If your so-called friends are talking Trump-style crap, then yes, ditch them. It's a poison I'll have no part of. I can't be around it even online, much less in person.


So she flies up once a year for a weekend of dickfreckle?
 
2020-08-25 5:01:03 PM  
There is no coming back. 

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2020-08-25 5:02:34 PM  

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: There is no coming back. 

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Oooooooof.
 
2020-08-25 5:02:36 PM  

odinsposse: Porous Horace: Pro-Trump is Anti-Me (and a whole lotta others), so yes.

Yeah, but isn't it your own fault for being one of the many groups of people that Republicans clearly want to eliminate? Just be cool and meet them halfway by only existing a little bit.


Any amount seems too much.

They're also against many things which I consider good in general.
They are on the wrong side of right.
 
2020-08-25 5:02:46 PM  

g.fro: Oh, so you're one of those over-educated white people who gets to tell others how their culture (and apparently language as well) is wrong


You're the one who told me my language was wrong. And am I in middle school or over-educated? Your trolling comes off as milquetoast when it's not even intellectually consistent.
 
2020-08-25 5:03:21 PM  

Saiga410: Do whatever you want but it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.  About the only thing that I will cut off friends are drugs.  I dont mind if you do them but if you start in a full on addiction spiral and you do not listen to everyone trying to help you... well you are not bringing me down with you.  Have only done that twice.  They finally bounced from bottom and we talk years later.


It's got nothing to do with ideology. Donald Trump doesn't have an ideology. He has no guiding politics or principles. If in 2020 someone still stands with him, they are doing so solely because he sticks his thumb in the eye of decency. They're doing so because he pisses people off and they delight in that. They're doing so knowing he's inept, self-interested, corrupt, and unfit leader, but they don't care because he makes the right people mad. They're doing so because he hates the right people.

There are no causes they can rally around other than "he sticks it to the immigrants" (aka screw brown people) and "he lowered my taxes" (aka I got mine, so fark you). That's it. He doesn't stand for anything but Donald Trump.

There is no more pretending otherwise. While this was all predictable, he's made this unquestionable. The only way to not see it is to make a CHOICE not to see it.

It's not about ideology.

It's about not supporting a malignant, sociopathic narcissist who destroys everything he touches and seeks to dismantle the very institutions that hold the country together. He's not merely some politician people disagree with. It's far worse than that.

I have no qualms about being close to those I disagree with. It's good and healthy. This isn't that.

Suggesting it's about ideology makes it seem like you're utterly blind to all of this.
 
2020-08-25 5:03:54 PM  

LegacyDL: Conservatism died when Eisenhower left the White House.


No that was rational Republicanism. Conservatism led directly and inexorably to trump.
 
2020-08-25 5:04:01 PM  

drewogatory: I have no idea what my friend's politics are. It's just not a subject I ever discuss, because I have zero interest. People can believe whatever stupid shiat they want, I'm not an educator.


You also apparently don't care if you inadvertently associate with fascists.
 
2020-08-25 5:04:58 PM  

gunga galunga: OrionXVI: gunga galunga: I dumped them all.

All that's left is my mother and my brother. I can't dump them.

Fortunately, they know not to bring up Trump while I am around.

Brothers you can.  I've had to (2 in my case; they've gone full banjo).  Mothers may be harder to dump.

Last time my brother and I discussed politics was before Trump. He took issue with my Facebook page (which I have since quit, for good) and called me up to tell me that I was letting the liberal media tell me what to think. I gave it back to him with both barrels saying that I found that insulting that the implication was that I was too stupid to form my own thoughts or ideas. Also adding, "and by the way, what are your farking unimpeachable sources of information". Since the answer to that question would have been Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, he changed the subject and we've never discussed politics since.

However, I do know from my brother-in-law, whose mother is Facebook friends with my brother's wife, that my brother got a Donald Trump birthday cake for his 50th.

He would have given me no end of shiat if I were ever to have gotten a Obama or a Hillary Clinton birthday cake, and he'd be right to do so. But as long as he is not bringing up politics, neither will I.


I haven't talked to those two in 2 years now.  They were going full Guilfoyle rant route.  At that point, I realized that they would see me suffer for their beliefs, and decided that staying in contact wasn't worth it.  Rather live and be happy than stay attached to hate.
 
2020-08-25 5:05:01 PM  

dickfreckle: Not all conservatives are jerks. My ex GF (more like a common law wife) is a Republican and she DESPISES Trump. And not in the Susan Collins way. Despite me being a political junkie we didn't argue about politics much. It was understood that I was a raging liberal and that she voted for George W Bush.

We are very close friends to this day. She even flies up here at least once a year and we have a blast. But here's the thing: she isn't racist, a corona hoaxer, a maskless "mah rights!" or any of that trash that seems amplified these days. She's a wonderful girl, is all. Just happens to be a Republican. I think she's deluding herself but it's really none of my business unless she brings it up.

BUT: If your so-called friends are talking Trump-style crap, then yes, ditch them. It's a poison I'll have no part of. I can't be around it even online, much less in person.


Trump is a logical culmination of the Republican Party. If she's a small government low taxes type, she's more likely a libertarian.
 
2020-08-25 5:05:36 PM  

Minus1Kelvin: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: Some people have gone full Tribal. They can never be brought back. Ever. 

This is something we have to accept. I've lost family. No amount of facts will bring my family back from this. 

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Have you called them cultists? I fear I may eventually let that one slip and I'd like to know how it will be received.


It doesn't matter, cognitive dissonance is a sweet sweet Drug to people like this now. 

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They can not be saved, or changed. It is too late for many now.
 
2020-08-25 5:05:45 PM  

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: There is no coming back. 

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The blatant misogyny toward AOC is particularly repelling, though not surprising.
And I just took a closer look at the monkey statue, JFC.
 
2020-08-25 5:05:57 PM  

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: There is no coming back. 

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Jesus Christ.

People think I and others are engaging in hyperbole when we refer to this as a cult.

We're not.

But there is no need to tell you that. Looks like you're living it. Ugh.
 
2020-08-25 5:05:59 PM  

Combustion: Yep. I dumped an entire family. Feels great, actually.


Hey, Fark, is there any way we can get a HERO tag here for just this poster?
 
2020-08-25 5:06:38 PM  

fiddlehead: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: gunga galunga: OrionXVI: gunga galunga: I dumped them all.

All that's left is my mother and my brother. I can't dump them.

Fortunately, they know not to bring up Trump while I am around.

Brothers you can.  I've had to (2 in my case; they've gone full banjo).  Mothers may be harder to dump.

Last time my brother and I discussed politics was before Trump. He took issue with my Facebook page (which I have since quit, for good) and called me up to tell me that I was letting the liberal media tell me what to think. I gave it back to him with both barrels saying that I found that insulting that the implication was that I was too stupid to form my own thoughts or ideas. Also adding, "and by the way, what are your farking unimpeachable sources of information". Since the answer to that question would have been Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, he changed the subject and we've never discussed politics since.

However, I do know from my brother-in-law, whose mother is Facebook friends with my brother's wife, that my brother got a Donald Trump birthday cake for his 50th.

He would have given me no end of shiat if I were ever to have gotten a Obama or a Hillary Clinton birthday cake, and he'd be right to do so. But as long as he is not bringing up politics, neither will I.

You should bring up the birthday cake every year from now on. What is he, five? How farking pathetic, even if Trump wasn't a vile pack of pus.

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Enjoy your nightmares.

/Is his head cream-filled?


Cream filled? Probably spiders.
 
2020-08-25 5:07:25 PM  

shoegaze99: It's got nothing to do with ideology. Donald Trump doesn't have an ideology. He has no guiding politics or principles.


Its not an ideology, but we have been able to sus out the rules. 

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2020-08-25 5:07:38 PM  

Leishu: Saiga410: it is a bit weak that you cannot stand to have your ideology questioned by others.

What about your personhood? Is it weak to not allow your personhood questioned by others?
What about the lives of countless latinx people?
What about the fact that over 175 thousand people is a bad thing?
What about the fact that science is real?

How much should people tolerate of bigots before a threshold at which it is okay to not keep them around as friends is reached?


About as much as people should tolerate "Latinx"
 
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