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(NPR)   1950s Congress: Hawaii as a state would mean, "Two votes for socialized medicines, two votes for government ownership of industry, two votes against all racial segregation." 2020: D.C. statehood is "full-bore socialism on the march in the House"   (npr.org) divider line
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2020-08-24 9:15:55 AM  
(stops from securing from Laura, clears voice):

Puerto Rico yet? At least it's constitutionally possible, even if people here are brown and speak Spanish. More people live here than many of the States. Our beaches are better than... Almost anywhere. We're broke but really so is practically any state in South, and we tend to be more fun (with a couple exceptions maybe).

Or does all that make it a non-starter?
 
2020-08-24 9:24:00 AM  
Once the racists get the notion that if Puerto Rico becomes a state, they can force them to "Speak English, YAWL!" they might get on board.

Joke's on them. They can't even be forced to speak Spanish.
 
2020-08-24 9:25:56 AM  
Puerto Rico 1st. No "adjoining states" to negotiate with.
 
2020-08-24 9:34:07 AM  

yohohogreengiant: (stops from securing from Laura, clears voice):

Puerto Rico yet? At least it's constitutionally possible, even if people here are brown and speak Spanish. More people live here than many of the States. Our beaches are better than... Almost anywhere. We're broke but really so is practically any state in South, and we tend to be more fun (with a couple exceptions maybe).

Or does all that make it a non-starter?


Are referendums a done deal or would you need yet another vote? I see a danger of the vote being manipulated ala Brexit and the next thing we know, PR and Cuba are hooking up. (After the way Trump treated PR, I wouldn't blame them.)
 
2020-08-24 9:45:23 AM  

GardenWeasel: yohohogreengiant: (stops from securing from Laura, clears voice):

Puerto Rico yet? At least it's constitutionally possible, even if people here are brown and speak Spanish. More people live here than many of the States. Our beaches are better than... Almost anywhere. We're broke but really so is practically any state in South, and we tend to be more fun (with a couple exceptions maybe).

Or does all that make it a non-starter?

Are referendums a done deal or would you need yet another vote? I see a danger of the vote being manipulated ala Brexit and the next thing we know, PR and Cuba are hooking up. (After the way Trump treated PR, I wouldn't blame them.)


Referendums are a red herring. They do nothing but provide grist for politics in DC, and those Politicians are as corrupt now as they are here... But with far less patriotism.

It has become politically impossible to hold a meaningful plebescite... As was by design. Hell are you guys even gonna get to vote?

Statehood comes out of Congress. Nothing we say matters in that regard.
 
2020-08-24 9:50:32 AM  

yohohogreengiant: Hell are you guys even gonna get to vote?


That is THE question, isn't it?
 
2020-08-24 9:59:46 AM  
So, let's say Puerto Rico and DC both vote to become states.  And let's say (HOPE) that the Dems win a majority in the Senate in November and win the presidency.

Is the vote in Congress a simple majority vote?  Or is a 2/3 vote required?
 
2020-08-24 10:08:56 AM  

OldRod: So, let's say Puerto Rico and DC both vote to become states.  And let's say (HOPE) that the Dems win a majority in the Senate in November and win the presidency.

Is the vote in Congress a simple majority vote?  Or is a 2/3 vote required?


I believe accession looks like an amendment in terms of numbers. Any Constitutional GED farkers got the detail?
 
2020-08-24 10:25:34 AM  
TFA describes Alaska as another Democratic territory. Funny, I watched something on PBS the other night that described the two new states' arrival as your typical compromise because Alaska was supposedly a Republican stronghold and the GOP demanded its statehood in exchange for supporting Hawaii.
 
2020-08-24 10:34:54 AM  

OldRod: So, let's say Puerto Rico and DC both vote to become states.  And let's say (HOPE) that the Dems win a majority in the Senate in November and win the presidency.

Is the vote in Congress a simple majority vote?  Or is a 2/3 vote required?

Simple vote. Historically Congress passed Enabling Acts requiring proposed states to draft constitutions and hold referendums on statehood, but those were completed in 1952 and 2017. If they wanted to, Congress could hold a vote on 1/22. However, by not following established procedure, that would set off a Balkanization of states by the GOP.
 
2020-08-24 10:36:53 AM  
Taxation is fine, they just shouldn't have representation.
 
2020-08-24 10:37:49 AM  

GardenWeasel: OldRod: So, let's say Puerto Rico and DC both vote to become states.  And let's say (HOPE) that the Dems win a majority in the Senate in November and win the presidency.

Is the vote in Congress a simple majority vote?  Or is a 2/3 vote required?
Simple vote. Historically Congress passed Enabling Acts requiring proposed states to draft constitutions and hold referendums on statehood, but those were completed in 1952 and 2017. If they wanted to, Congress could hold a vote on 1/22. However, by not following established procedure, that would set off a Balkanization of states by the GOP.


Nice.

If they get both those into statehood, and in a decade or so Texas is turning blue, R's will not be relevant again.
 
2020-08-24 10:38:06 AM  
I wondered if someone had beaten me to it, and sure enough look what a GIS turned up:

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2020-08-24 10:44:42 AM  
Alabama or Mississippi statehood would mean "Two votes for socialized medicines, two votes for government ownership of industry, two votes against all racial segregation," if we hadn't already rigged they system to disenfranchise the residence.

They aren't opposed to new states they are opposed to new states they don't control.
 
2020-08-24 10:46:00 AM  
Here's the thing: they're so pigheaded racist to the point where they couldn't even comprehend PR being relatively conservative as a territory. It's not like everyone in PR is some bleeding heart liberal that yearns for socialism. If someone like GWB back in 2000-2008 had advocated for PR statehood, PR would probably have voted R for the next few generations, they'd probably have at least a 50:50 split on House members, and maybe one D, one R for Senate.
 
2020-08-24 10:47:58 AM  
Three million plus Americans deserve statehood more.
 
2020-08-24 10:48:00 AM  

AsparagusFTW: GardenWeasel: OldRod: So, let's say Puerto Rico and DC both vote to become states.  And let's say (HOPE) that the Dems win a majority in the Senate in November and win the presidency.

Is the vote in Congress a simple majority vote?  Or is a 2/3 vote required?
Simple vote. Historically Congress passed Enabling Acts requiring proposed states to draft constitutions and hold referendums on statehood, but those were completed in 1952 and 2017. If they wanted to, Congress could hold a vote on 1/22. However, by not following established procedure, that would set off a Balkanization of states by the GOP.

Nice.

If they get both those into statehood, and in a decade or so Texas is turning blue, R's will not be relevant again.


This is a point ive made before and will again:

DO NOT BE SO FOOLISHLY NAIVE TO THINK THAT THE GOP IS ON A PATH TO DESTRUCTION.  IF THE PROGRESSION WAS FROM GWB TO TRUMP, DO NOT ASSUME THAT TRUMP IS THE ENDGAME.  THERE IS NO MORAL COMPASS YOU HAVE THAT YOU CAN ASCRIBE TO THEM.  THERE IS NO MORAL COMPASS.  THE GOP'S ADHERENTS SEE ALL OF THESE CRUEL REGRESSIVE POLICIES AS FEATURES.  THERE IS NO EMPATHY.  THERE IS NO CONCERN FOR A GREATER GOOD.  THE CRUELTY IS THE POINT AND THEY NEED THEIR FIX - AND THEY WILL GET IT.

We should have learned the lesson about what our fellow countrymen believe is important in this last election.  It's far less amazing that two scoops managed to eke out a victory on a technicality than the fact it was even close enough for that to be a possibility.  Plenty of people fell for that line of sh&t and plenty will again long after you and I are gone.
 
2020-08-24 10:49:10 AM  

yohohogreengiant: (stops from securing from Laura, clears voice):

Puerto Rico yet? At least it's constitutionally possible, even if people here are brown and speak Spanish. More people live here than many of the States. Our beaches are better than... Almost anywhere. We're broke but really so is practically any state in South, and we tend to be more fun (with a couple exceptions maybe).

Or does all that make it a non-starter?


DC should not be a state, Puerto rice definitely should be. I can't really see any good arguments against it.
 
2020-08-24 10:49:15 AM  
Puerto Ricans don't want to be a state.  It's nice to not have to pay taxes.
 
2020-08-24 10:50:16 AM  
I have to write that Hawaii and Alaska becoming states gave us ted stevens, sarah palin and tulsi.  On the plus side Hawaii gave us Daniel Inouye, so Hawaii is still in the plus column.
 
2020-08-24 10:52:10 AM  

Thank You Black Jesus!: AsparagusFTW: GardenWeasel: OldRod: So, let's say Puerto Rico and DC both vote to become states.  And let's say (HOPE) that the Dems win a majority in the Senate in November and win the presidency.

Is the vote in Congress a simple majority vote?  Or is a 2/3 vote required?
Simple vote. Historically Congress passed Enabling Acts requiring proposed states to draft constitutions and hold referendums on statehood, but those were completed in 1952 and 2017. If they wanted to, Congress could hold a vote on 1/22. However, by not following established procedure, that would set off a Balkanization of states by the GOP.

Nice.

If they get both those into statehood, and in a decade or so Texas is turning blue, R's will not be relevant again.

This is a point ive made before and will again:

DO NOT BE SO FOOLISHLY NAIVE TO THINK THAT THE GOP IS ON A PATH TO DESTRUCTION.  IF THE PROGRESSION WAS FROM GWB TO TRUMP, DO NOT ASSUME THAT TRUMP IS THE ENDGAME.  THERE IS NO MORAL COMPASS YOU HAVE THAT YOU CAN ASCRIBE TO THEM.  THERE IS NO MORAL COMPASS.  THE GOP'S ADHERENTS SEE ALL OF THESE CRUEL REGRESSIVE POLICIES AS FEATURES.  THERE IS NO EMPATHY.  THERE IS NO CONCERN FOR A GREATER GOOD.  THE CRUELTY IS THE POINT AND THEY NEED THEIR FIX - AND THEY WILL GET IT.

We should have learned the lesson about what our fellow countrymen believe is important in this last election.  It's far less amazing that two scoops managed to eke out a victory on a technicality than the fact it was even close enough for that to be a possibility.  Plenty of people fell for that line of sh&t and plenty will again long after you and I are gone.


Trump has established all the precedents needed for a competent authoritarian to use in creating a permanent right wing government free from any accountability. The only thing that saved us this time around was his own reckless incompetence.  I doubt we will be so lucky next time.
 
2020-08-24 10:52:59 AM  

yohohogreengiant: (stops from securing from Laura, clears voice):

Puerto Rico yet? At least it's constitutionally possible, even if people here are brown and speak Spanish. More people live here than many of the States. Our beaches are better than... Almost anywhere. We're broke but really so is practically any state in South, and we tend to be more fun (with a couple exceptions maybe).

Or does all that make it a non-starter?


Do most Puerto Ricans want statehood?  I was under the impression that most didn't.  And that was before Trump's handling of Hurricane Maria and COVID-19.  If I were Puerto Rico, I would be looking to make a deal with some nation that really hates the USA and has need of a seaport close to North America.
 
2020-08-24 10:54:14 AM  

RussianPotato: Puerto Ricans don't want to be a state.  It's nice to not have to pay taxes.

On June 11, 2017, the people of Puerto Rico voted for U.S. statehood in a nonbinding referendum. Preliminary results showed that almost 500,000 ballots were cast for statehood, more than 7,600 for free association-independence, and almost 6,700 for retaining the current territorial status.

However, only about 23% of the island's approximately 2.26 million registered voters cast ballots. (See, they are just like the rest of the US)



You are wrong, or are lying, again.
 
2020-08-24 10:55:52 AM  
Hawaiian Sovereignty groups would gladly had their statehood over to Puerto Rico if people are dead-set on an even 50.

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2020-08-24 10:57:35 AM  
one of the best thing that can come of our colonialism is for us to become a more diverse nation. So honestly, unless the territory just really wants to do it's own thing, they should all be made full states. "Territories" are some outdated bullshiat that aught to be left in history books.
 
2020-08-24 10:58:08 AM  
Puerto Rico should be a state.  DC should not.

There were good and solid reasons to carve DC out of Virginia and Maryland, so that the capital would not be within a US state.  Nor would DC be a viable state... it's just a city, with nothing else.  It's less than 5% the size of Rhode Island.

Instead, allow DC residents to be Virginia or Maryland residents for purposes of Federal elections, based on the old state lines prior to DC being carved out.  That solves the Federal representation issue.
 
2020-08-24 10:58:09 AM  

jerryskid: I have to write that Hawaii and Alaska becoming states gave us ted stevens, sarah palin and tulsi.  On the plus side Hawaii gave us Daniel Inouye, so Hawaii is still in the plus column.


The irony is that Democratic-heavy Alaska was included to counterbalance Republican Hawaii.

/I really like Mazie Hirono and Ted Lieu too
 
2020-08-24 10:58:35 AM  

mathamagical: yohohogreengiant: (stops from securing from Laura, clears voice):

Puerto Rico yet? At least it's constitutionally possible, even if people here are brown and speak Spanish. More people live here than many of the States. Our beaches are better than... Almost anywhere. We're broke but really so is practically any state in South, and we tend to be more fun (with a couple exceptions maybe).

Or does all that make it a non-starter?

DC should not be a state, Puerto rice definitely should be. I can't really see any good arguments against it.


I had Puerto rice before. It was ok, but not as good as yellow fried rice, Mexican rice or brown rice. Nothing compared to good mamposteao. Definitely not worth statehood.

/It's the little laughs that mean the most
 
2020-08-24 10:59:07 AM  
Yes, everything the owner class opposes is "socialism" which is of course framed as bad in a society controlled by a capitalist owner class.
 
2020-08-24 11:00:55 AM  
As I stated above, expect an all out social media Brexit-like campaign from Russia and the GOP to reject the US and embrace a Cuba-PR unification.
 
2020-08-24 11:01:14 AM  

yohohogreengiant: and we tend to be more fun (with a couple exceptions maybe).

Or does all that make it a non-starter?


Yes, having fun is a non-starter. To a Republican Someone having fun = post invasionofthebodysnatchers. gif
 
2020-08-24 11:01:16 AM  
Statehood for Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands, and Pacific Islands (Guam, American Samoa, and Mariana).

Representation of some sort for DC... maybe some sort of special statehood.

It's about time this happened. I also think North and South Dakota should be merged, as well as Montana and Wyoming.
 
2020-08-24 11:02:01 AM  

flondrix: yohohogreengiant: (stops from securing from Laura, clears voice):

Puerto Rico yet? At least it's constitutionally possible, even if people here are brown and speak Spanish. More people live here than many of the States. Our beaches are better than... Almost anywhere. We're broke but really so is practically any state in South, and we tend to be more fun (with a couple exceptions maybe).

Or does all that make it a non-starter?

Do most Puerto Ricans want statehood?  I was under the impression that most didn't.  And that was before Trump's handling of Hurricane Maria and COVID-19.  If I were Puerto Rico, I would be looking to make a deal with some nation that really hates the USA and has need of a seaport close to North America.


It's impossible to say because the ballot includes:

Independence
Statehood
status quo

it's designed to be bullshiat, and not reflect a possible majority. It isn't a ranked choice.

Informal polling indicates that yes, even after Maria, most here would prefer to be a state as opposed to the other options.

What we need to stop doing is farking pretending it matters to Congress. Or has an actual affect on a decision.That's  what's farking insulting
 
2020-08-24 11:03:07 AM  

Pernicious Q. Varmint: Thank You Black Jesus!: AsparagusFTW: GardenWeasel: OldRod: So, let's say Puerto Rico and DC both vote to become states.  And let's say (HOPE) that the Dems win a majority in the Senate in November and win the presidency.

Is the vote in Congress a simple majority vote?  Or is a 2/3 vote required?
Simple vote. Historically Congress passed Enabling Acts requiring proposed states to draft constitutions and hold referendums on statehood, but those were completed in 1952 and 2017. If they wanted to, Congress could hold a vote on 1/22. However, by not following established procedure, that would set off a Balkanization of states by the GOP.

Nice.

If they get both those into statehood, and in a decade or so Texas is turning blue, R's will not be relevant again.

This is a point ive made before and will again:

DO NOT BE SO FOOLISHLY NAIVE TO THINK THAT THE GOP IS ON A PATH TO DESTRUCTION.  IF THE PROGRESSION WAS FROM GWB TO TRUMP, DO NOT ASSUME THAT TRUMP IS THE ENDGAME.  THERE IS NO MORAL COMPASS YOU HAVE THAT YOU CAN ASCRIBE TO THEM.  THERE IS NO MORAL COMPASS.  THE GOP'S ADHERENTS SEE ALL OF THESE CRUEL REGRESSIVE POLICIES AS FEATURES.  THERE IS NO EMPATHY.  THERE IS NO CONCERN FOR A GREATER GOOD.  THE CRUELTY IS THE POINT AND THEY NEED THEIR FIX - AND THEY WILL GET IT.

We should have learned the lesson about what our fellow countrymen believe is important in this last election.  It's far less amazing that two scoops managed to eke out a victory on a technicality than the fact it was even close enough for that to be a possibility.  Plenty of people fell for that line of sh&t and plenty will again long after you and I are gone.

Trump has established all the precedents needed for a competent authoritarian to use in creating a permanent right wing government free from any accountability. The only thing that saved us this time around was his own reckless incompetence.  I doubt we will be so lucky next time.


We won't be.  The analogy of the choice between the plate of sh*t covered with shards of broken glass vs. whether the chicken is organic and sustainably harvested is a real one.  There are too many people who would rather settle for zero percent of what they hope to acheive politically versus 80 percent.  That 20 percent that never would have happened in either case was absolutely worth throwing away for the purposes of making a point.  These are people who are stapling their nuts to the table because their wife wrecked the car.  They have a brand new stapler and a brand new table and the scrotal punctures have started to heal.  The best part (other than forever) is that like the gop window lickers - they aren't going away either.  This is a process that has been decades in the making that we are seeing the endgame for.  the 'left' (LOL) in this country has always been easy to divide and always will be.
 
2020-08-24 11:03:34 AM  

Jack Sabbath: Hawaiian Sovereignty groups would gladly had their statehood over to Puerto Rico if people are dead-set on an even 50.

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That's never going to happen. Yes, it's an injustice that has been done to them by the white man, I get that (seriously, I do, as a native American myself), but it's not ever going to happen from a practical standpoint.
 
2020-08-24 11:04:30 AM  

SomeAmerican: Nor would DC be a viable state... it's just a city, with nothing else.  It's less than 5% the size of Rhode Island.


The problem, of course, is that DC is also 128% of the population of Wyoming, who get two Senators and a Representative. Why should DC settle for less than that?
 
2020-08-24 11:05:27 AM  

GardenWeasel: As I stated above, expect an all out social media Brexit-like campaign from Russia and the GOP to reject the US and embrace a Cuba-PR unification.


Un pájaro con dos alas.

Yeah, this was the idea a long time ago, except not with the farking Russians.

There are 3 million US citizens here. No decision in Congress will much change that, at least in any way that won't cause open revolution here and in the States. Very few here think teaming up with Cuba is a good idea. But again, none of that matters. We don't get to decide.
 
2020-08-24 11:06:44 AM  

Jack Sabbath: Hawaiian Sovereignty groups would gladly had their statehood over to Puerto Rico if people are dead-set on an even 50.

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I used to watch a group on local public access when I lived on Oahu. I get were they are coming from but I'll be damned if that group in particular had a coherent plan. One old lady was particularly entertaining until I realized that I was probably watching someone in serious mental decline.
 
2020-08-24 11:07:24 AM  
I'm against DC statehood because they want to call it "New Columbia." Columbia, MD is just down the road and that would be confusing.

/jk, DC should absolutely be a state
//except for the federal parts where no one lives
///oh and f*ck trump
 
2020-08-24 11:08:09 AM  

GardenWeasel: RussianPotato: Puerto Ricans don't want to be a state.  It's nice to not have to pay taxes.

On June 11, 2017, the people of Puerto Rico voted for U.S. statehood in a nonbinding referendum. Preliminary results showed that almost 500,000 ballots were cast for statehood, more than 7,600 for free association-independence, and almost 6,700 for retaining the current territorial status.

However, only about 23% of the island's approximately 2.26 million registered voters cast ballots. (See, they are just like the rest of the US)


You are wrong, or are lying, again.


That was a sham election that was boycotted by half the island.  But of course you already knew that.
 
2020-08-24 11:09:14 AM  
Oops, I mispoke.  It was a sham election boycotted by 75% of the island's voters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Pu​e​rto_Rican_status_referendum
 
2020-08-24 11:13:58 AM  
Oh yes-and emission controls will ruin the auto industry, VCRs will destroy Hollywood and cassette types will erase the record companies.

Conservatives and industry.  Have they ever been correct?
 
2020-08-24 11:15:00 AM  
1890s Congress: sure would hate to have to bring more guns and kill all of you for the sugarcane.
 
2020-08-24 11:15:13 AM  

yohohogreengiant: (stops from securing from Laura, clears voice):

Puerto Rico yet? At least it's constitutionally possible, even if people here are brown and speak Spanish. More people live here than many of the States. Our beaches are better than... Almost anywhere. We're broke but really so is practically any state in South, and we tend to be more fun (with a couple exceptions maybe).

Or does all that make it a non-starter?


Let's ask Captain Puerto Rico.

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2020-08-24 11:17:03 AM  
NO NEW STATES,
FIX OLD
 
2020-08-24 11:17:10 AM  

GardenWeasel: yohohogreengiant: (stops from securing from Laura, clears voice):

Puerto Rico yet? At least it's constitutionally possible, even if people here are brown and speak Spanish. More people live here than many of the States. Our beaches are better than... Almost anywhere. We're broke but really so is practically any state in South, and we tend to be more fun (with a couple exceptions maybe).

Or does all that make it a non-starter?

Are referendums a done deal or would you need yet another vote? I see a danger of the vote being manipulated ala Brexit and the next thing we know, PR and Cuba are hooking up. (After the way Trump treated PR, I wouldn't blame them.)


======================================

PR has voted on referendums (I think 3 or 4 times now) to become a state.  It's always fairly close (1 or 2 were even defeated) mostly because, I assume, those who support it know it's meaningless but those against it are VERY MUCH against it.

They're all non-binding and still require that congress actually votes on it.

Being that PR is full of people with darker skin than pale white, they'll never approve.
 
2020-08-24 11:27:31 AM  

jake3988: GardenWeasel: yohohogreengiant: (stops from securing from Laura, clears voice):

Puerto Rico yet? At least it's constitutionally possible, even if people here are brown and speak Spanish. More people live here than many of the States. Our beaches are better than... Almost anywhere. We're broke but really so is practically any state in South, and we tend to be more fun (with a couple exceptions maybe).

Or does all that make it a non-starter?

Are referendums a done deal or would you need yet another vote? I see a danger of the vote being manipulated ala Brexit and the next thing we know, PR and Cuba are hooking up. (After the way Trump treated PR, I wouldn't blame them.)

======================================

PR has voted on referendums (I think 3 or 4 times now) to become a state.  It's always fairly close (1 or 2 were even defeated) mostly because, I assume, those who support it know it's meaningless but those against it are VERY MUCH against it.

They're all non-binding and still require that congress actually votes on it.

Being that PR is full of people with darker skin than pale white, they'll never approve.


It might actually happen this time if Dems win the Senate, if not just to prevent more Trump-like jackassery after Maria.
 
2020-08-24 11:27:53 AM  

yohohogreengiant: flondrix: yohohogreengiant: (stops from securing from Laura, clears voice):

Puerto Rico yet? At least it's constitutionally possible, even if people here are brown and speak Spanish. More people live here than many of the States. Our beaches are better than... Almost anywhere. We're broke but really so is practically any state in South, and we tend to be more fun (with a couple exceptions maybe).

Or does all that make it a non-starter?

Do most Puerto Ricans want statehood?  I was under the impression that most didn't.  And that was before Trump's handling of Hurricane Maria and COVID-19.  If I were Puerto Rico, I would be looking to make a deal with some nation that really hates the USA and has need of a seaport close to North America.

It's impossible to say because the ballot includes:

Independence
Statehood
status quo

it's designed to be bullshiat, and not reflect a possible majority. It isn't a ranked choice.

Informal polling indicates that yes, even after Maria, most here would prefer to be a state as opposed to the other options.

What we need to stop doing is farking pretending it matters to Congress. Or has an actual affect on a decision.That's  what's farking insulting


The last plebiscite that happened when I was still living in PR had 5 choices (1998). I was too young to vote. That "none of the above" option was ridiculous.

Statehood
Independence
Commonwealth (status quo)
Free Association
None of the above

That 5th option was put on there as a Hail Mary. The Independentistas and the PPD joined together to vote none of the above, basically sabotaging statehood. The most ridiculous thing, too, is that the PNP is more aligned with Republicans and they want statehood.  It's bizarre.

PS: I went to high school with the Pierluisi kids. Their dad always seemed alright but his sons were dbags and one of them is now in charge of DACO down there from what I understand. Pierluisi is the favorite for the governorship, right? After what Roselló did and how Wanda is just a ridiculous lying liar? Lol man, idk if PR will ever get their politics in order.
 
2020-08-24 11:28:14 AM  
Personally, I'd like to simply make Washington DC part of Maryland. Making it a state or giving it the congressional representation of a state is, given its size, just dumb. This way they get real and proportionate representation Under the constitution without the stupidity of admitting a portion of one city as a state. I think it's an equitable and politically fair solution.

Puerto Rico IMO needs a real final ultimatum referendum. Transition to statehood or go off & become their own nation. I'd be happy with either outcome but they've been a US territory for long enough, they deserve full representation and determination of their destiny. And more broadly the US & Puerto Rico need to either put a ring on it or call it quits. I dislike this empire-era legacy of a territory where they don't get proper representation but we still get to do whatever we want with them. Feel similarly about most of our territories.

If they wished to join as states I'd be all for it. I could definitely see PR & USVI getting admitted as one state and our pacific island territories (Guam, American Samoa & the other minor islands) coming in as another.
 
2020-08-24 11:29:22 AM  

Jack Sabbath: Hawaiian Sovereignty groups would gladly had their statehood over to Puerto Rico if people are dead-set on an even 50.

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My friend Kiko on Hawai'i often said it'd be good for both islands, especially if PR would repatriate all the coqui .
 
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