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(Jalopnik)   Jeep's cheat sheet for sales reps is all about the Ford Bronco   (jalopnik.com) divider line
    More: Interesting, Jeep, Off-road vehicle, Sport utility vehicle, Jeep's latest sales training material, Jeep Wrangler, Jeep Wrangler's advantages, Four-wheel drive, Live axle  
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2020-08-21 8:47:00 PM  
Not going to help much. People who want a Bronco are going to buy a Bronco because they like Ford better or just because they want to be one of the first to get one. That's already settled for most buyers.
 
2020-08-21 8:50:50 PM  
Jeep hasn't made a proper Jeep since '86. Not sure what heritage they are talking about, except the grill.
 
2020-08-21 8:54:03 PM  
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it's a bronco thing, you wouldn't understand
 
2020-08-21 8:54:58 PM  

fmcgalaxie500: Not going to help much. People who want a Bronco are going to buy a Bronco because they like Ford better or just because they want to be one of the first to get one. That's already settled for most buyers.


jeep people buy jeeps, no one else does
 
2020-08-22 2:03:12 AM  
Buy Jeep, so you get poor welds.. Or free storage when they're on lots repeatedly for months for warranty repairs.

Ford is no better IMHO. Both crappy brands on any vehicle after 1990.
 
2020-08-22 2:07:47 AM  
My friend ls with jeeps have had nothing but problems with them. They clean up real nice though.
 
2020-08-22 2:52:21 AM  
Because the world needed a Ford FJ Cruiser.
 
2020-08-22 3:04:10 AM  
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Hi guys what's going on in this thread?
 
2020-08-22 4:00:52 AM  
I saw a J10 Honcho the other day. I was wondering why the new Jeep truck seemed odd.
 
2020-08-22 5:08:07 AM  

studebaker hoch: [Fark user image 850x478]
Hi guys what's going on in this thread?


An incredible ugly render?
 
2020-08-22 8:32:44 AM  
The 4 door wrangler fad is all but over. Everybody that wanted one has one now.

If ford really wants to cash in, they should start making aftermarket crap for them. That seems to be half the point of owning a jeep is putting aftermarket crap all over it.
 
2020-08-22 10:03:50 AM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: studebaker hoch: [Fark user image 850x478]
Hi guys what's going on in this thread?

An incredible ugly render?


True, but still better than the cybertruck.
 
2020-08-22 10:10:54 AM  
I've had a Jeep for about 6 years. I love it and it's been great and nearly trouble free. I've had to put a few mods on it to up its capability some. But if I was in the market to get another one, I'd seriously consider the Bronco. Where Ford is going to crush Jeep is he cost. Wranglers are way over priced. He same Jeep with the same options I bought in 2015 has gone up $8000. A very basic 4 door Wrangler, only option is hard too and auto trans is well over $40k.

Some of those available options Jeep listed are only available in premium packages. Want the diesel, you have to get the Rubicon Hardrock (top of the line package) to get it (over $50k). Want the low crawl ratio, differential lockers, sway bat disconnect, better front differential, you have to get a Rubicon (high $40s). The Bronco is available as a base package and available with the performance upgrades as options. You can the the off-road performance with out getting the $2000 stereo upgrade, poster everything, heated leather seats, etc.
 
2020-08-22 12:35:38 PM  

chewd: The 4 door wrangler fad is all but over. Everybody that wanted one has one now.

If ford really wants to cash in, they should start making aftermarket crap for them. That seems to be half the point of owning a jeep is putting aftermarket crap all over it.


Way ahead of you
 
2020-08-22 1:33:23 PM  

drewogatory: Jeep hasn't made a proper Jeep since '86. Not sure what heritage they are talking about, except the grill.


Youre off by 20 years. 06 was the last good year. TJ and LJ were awesome. Vast improvement over the YJ. And I dont care what everyone else says. The 4.0L was a great engine. Gas mileage? HA! but for terms of long life? Hard to kill one.

Now the 2.5L AX5 transmission was a POS. and the fact they put DANA 35s on the 4.0 is just straight up laughable.

07 JK and up are just fat little piggies for soccer moms.
 
2020-08-22 3:40:18 PM  

chewd: The 4 door wrangler fad is all but over. Everybody that wanted one has one now.

If ford really wants to cash in, they should start making aftermarket crap for them. That seems to be half the point of owning a jeep is putting aftermarket crap all over it.


They are.  Hundreds of different accessories.
 
2020-08-22 5:23:23 PM  
Jeep owners = cocaine club girls who are " tomboys " cause they drive jeeps
 
2020-08-22 5:24:23 PM  

AuralArgument: Jeep owners = cocaine club girls who are " tomboys " cause they drive jeeps


So edgy. Bet Subarus are just for lesbians too?
 
2020-08-22 5:29:40 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: chewd: The 4 door wrangler fad is all but over. Everybody that wanted one has one now.

If ford really wants to cash in, they should start making aftermarket crap for them. That seems to be half the point of owning a jeep is putting aftermarket crap all over it.

They are.  Hundreds of different accessories.


Hundreds is wrong. Thousands. So many 3rd parties. Allthingsjeep.com quadratec.com. businesses are built for the offroad or road queen segments and jeep is never going to die. Built 3rd party stuff for a wrangler and someone will buy it either by quality or price point of entry.

If Ford had said "oh our bumpers. Etc... are bolted just like the wranglers!" Theuy would be a serious competitor.

Like "this is our offroad vehicle... and look! Bolt patterns match the wrangler in the bumper, light bars, etc! After market parts are already on the market!" Done deal. You'd be stealing jeep customers who are unhappy with the way fiat is diluting the brand identity.

Hell I was wishing the Bronco well, until they said "no sasquatch for manual transmissions"

That took a certain amount of stupidity I fail to comprehend.
 
2020-08-22 5:35:11 PM  
Hell I was wishing the Bronco well, until they said "no sasquatch for manual transmissions"

Most hard core rock crawlers want an auto anyway.
 
2020-08-22 6:13:31 PM  

drewogatory: Hell I was wishing the Bronco well, until they said "no sasquatch for manual transmissions"

Most hard core rock crawlers want an auto anyway.


Some of us have ended up in the mud or sand a time or two. And manual really helps there. Kinda want the offroad beas to be able to beast everything. Not just rock.
 
2020-08-22 6:22:58 PM  
No limited slip option in the Bronco?
You either have open diffs or locked?
Those poor rear brake pads.
 
2020-08-22 6:28:59 PM  

Axeofjudgement: drewogatory: Hell I was wishing the Bronco well, until they said "no sasquatch for manual transmissions"

Most hard core rock crawlers want an auto anyway.

Some of us have ended up in the mud or sand a time or two. And manual really helps there. Kinda want the offroad beas to be able to beast everything. Not just rock.


For low traction like mud, sand or snow I'd take a torque converter over a manually operated clutch pack any day of the week.  How exactly do you think a manual trans would be a benefit? You either burn the fark out of your clutch or spin the tires. With a torque converter you have better control over the amount of torque going to the wheels.
 
2020-08-22 6:39:12 PM  

studebaker hoch: [Fark user image image 850x478]
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The new Hyundai pickup looks pretty nice!
 
2020-08-22 6:40:37 PM  

SumoJeb: Axeofjudgement: drewogatory: Hell I was wishing the Bronco well, until they said "no sasquatch for manual transmissions"

Most hard core rock crawlers want an auto anyway.

Some of us have ended up in the mud or sand a time or two. And manual really helps there. Kinda want the offroad beas to be able to beast everything. Not just rock.

For low traction like mud, sand or snow I'd take a torque converter over a manually operated clutch pack any day of the week.  How exactly do you think a manual trans would be a benefit? You either burn the fark out of your clutch or spin the tires. With a torque converter you have better control over the amount of torque going to the wheels.


I would absolutely agree with you since I love my Subaru.

And yes you will burn the clutch up eventually but in that eventuality I can rock back and forth as many times as I want till momentum gets me out of whatever hell I'm in. Even with differential lockers.

For torque vectoring? Ford should have gone to Subaru which has the best in the industry.

Buring up a 100 dollar clutch is nothing. Not being able to first reverse fist reverse is not right.  And if you think this shiat aint burning up an automatic... you don't offroad. You're always breaking something. Something is gonna feel the strain. Id rather 150 bucks for a clutch and slave than "welp auto is trashed"
 
2020-08-22 8:19:48 PM  

SumoJeb: For low traction like mud, sand or snow I'd take a torque converter over a manually operated clutch pack any day of the week. How exactly do you think a manual trans would be a benefit? You either burn the fark out of your clutch or spin the tires. With a torque converter you have better control over the amount of torque going to the wheels.


It's not just about traction. In high rolling resistance situations like wet snow, deep mud, or sugar sand, many auto transmissions try to upshift and spin the convertor waiting for a lockup chance that never comes. If you don't have low range and/or a way to keep the transmission in first AND speed up high enough to have the convertor locked, you will absolutely cook your transmission fluid. With a manual, once you get it rolling there is zero drivetrain slip.

And for rocks, some of us just like the extra challenge/control of a stick. It's also nice to be able to bump start it when you leave your lights on or pack the starter full of mud.
 
2020-08-22 8:31:07 PM  

LoneVVolf: SumoJeb: For low traction like mud, sand or snow I'd take a torque converter over a manually operated clutch pack any day of the week. How exactly do you think a manual trans would be a benefit? You either burn the fark out of your clutch or spin the tires. With a torque converter you have better control over the amount of torque going to the wheels.

It's not just about traction. In high rolling resistance situations like wet snow, deep mud, or sugar sand, many auto transmissions try to upshift and spin the convertor waiting for a lockup chance that never comes. If you don't have low range and/or a way to keep the transmission in first AND speed up high enough to have the convertor locked, you will absolutely cook your transmission fluid. With a manual, once you get it rolling there is zero drivetrain slip.

And for rocks, some of us just like the extra challenge/control of a stick. It's also nice to be able to bump start it when you leave your lights on or pack the starter full of mud.


I'll never buy a car with an auto, but I'd make a few exceptions. 1: Free or close to it. 2: Proper not street legal dragster. 3: Citroen DS. 4: Lux cruiser with 300+ hp.
 
2020-08-23 12:23:15 AM  

drewogatory: Jeep hasn't made a proper Jeep since '86. Not sure what heritage they are talking about, except the grill.



As the former owner of a 1988 YJ, I agree with this statement.

The YJ was a piece of crap. My engine block (4.2L) warped. Yes, the block. Also, the clutch master cylinder would go out every 30,000 miles or so. It was a fun vehicle when it ran. Which was rarely.
 
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