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(The Bulwark)   Sit down and wrap your head around this for a moment: What if Trump is what America needed in order for us to understand how to fix it?   (thebulwark.com) divider line
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2020-08-20 9:26:41 AM  
To fix it you're going to need a good chunk of those people supporting Trump.  And considering that a massive amount of *those* don't give a flying fark about the rule of law as applied to elected officials unless it is someone they don't like (in which case they apply it *very* broadly), I don't see it happening soon.

Trump is primarily in office because a bunch of people didn't want to *feel* bad.  That's the only reason he has significant support now - in the face of blatant incompetence to a dangerous degree.  They only care about how they feel.
 
2020-08-20 9:30:42 AM  
Something about also needing another hole in our heads...
 
2020-08-20 9:45:22 AM  
I'll admit, I did not understand how much of the country was run on gentleman's agreements and patriotism.  It took a classless crook to break all the rules that restrained more honorable men.

Unfortunately an understanding does not give one those with a will the ability to fix it.  Too much of the country is invested in keeping the system broken.
 
2020-08-20 10:22:17 AM  

EvilEgg: I'll admit, I did not understand how much of the country was run on gentleman's agreements and patriotism.  It took a classless crook to break all the rules that restrained more honorable men.

Unfortunately an understanding does not give one those with a will the ability to fix it.  Too much of the country is invested in keeping the system broken.


Be fair.  McConnell was breaking all the good faith rules years before Trump ever arrived.
 
2020-08-20 10:31:11 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Be fair.  McConnell was breaking all the good faith rules years before Trump ever arrived.


Yeah, but he was doing it quietly.  So most people could ignore it.
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2020-08-20 10:34:36 AM  
No.

Society is a thin skin holding down the ugliness that are most people inside.  Rip that skin off and you're left with the Nazis, the Khmer Rouge, the Bolsheviks, the Francoists, the Italian Fascists.  We're on the precipice of that right now, because Republicans have been salivating at the notion of permanent power in the United States ever since Newt Gingrich managed to take the House of Representatives in 1994.  Karl Rove publicly speculated about the idea of a permanent conservative majority.  Take a look at right now, and you'll have a sample of what that permanent conservative majority looks like and would like to do.  Destroy not only the rights of minorities, but to outright destroy them.  Revoke the rights of women and their own agency.  Persecute people for their religious beliefs while simultaneously complaining how their own religious beliefs are trampled, etc.  And since they've been willing to partner with foreign governments in order to continue to grasp to power, you bet it would only get worse, with the most authoritarian partnerships, their behavior slowly sinking down to that level.

The amount of damage that Trump has caused will take numerous administrations to fix, and will likely take law enforcement investigations against many that were his supporters or appointees to unmask their misdeeds enough to get them out of office.  You don't think that Judge I Like Beer is going to resign from the Supreme Court, do you?

If the United States had not elected Trump in 2016, we wouldn't have Trump's judges, his federal executive appointees and hires, his federal reserve meddling, the loss of so many lifelong federal employees that left rather than deal with him.  We wouldn't have lost standing in the world.  We wouldn't have had white supremacists marching in our streets openly, we wouldn't have had police empowerment towards killing minorities growing.

Trump might've exposed the raw sickness underneath, but that doesn't mean that was the only way to deal with it.  We would have been better off without Trump.
 
2020-08-20 10:53:54 AM  
That's cute that you think anything is going to be fixed.
 
Ant
2020-08-20 11:15:43 AM  
What is a large portion of Americans are too stupid to allow it to be fixed?
 
2020-08-20 11:16:16 AM  
Weekly Standard 2.0 can FARK OFF
 
Ant
2020-08-20 11:16:27 AM  

Ant: What is a large portion of Americans are too stupid to allow it to be fixed?


What if, even.
 
2020-08-20 11:17:49 AM  
America has had cancer since at least Reagan, and Trump is the exposed lump?
Sounds right.
 
2020-08-20 11:17:51 AM  
Is this some kind of reverse sour grapes?
 
2020-08-20 11:17:55 AM  
Susan Sarandon is writing for The Bulwark now?
 
2020-08-20 11:18:02 AM  
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2020-08-20 11:18:37 AM  
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2020-08-20 11:19:09 AM  
A majority of Americans have finally realized that the crackpot authoritarian right is a threat to their liberty, and should be burned to the farking ground and paved over

So there's that, I guess
 
d23 [OhFark]
2020-08-20 11:19:31 AM  
Is this the "Burn it all down" defense?
 
2020-08-20 11:20:11 AM  
So the Republicans that brought you to this point and regret it are trying to convince you (and probably themselves) that it was all worth it in the end?
 
2020-08-20 11:20:18 AM  
Maybe in another four years, the authors will see how slow to catch on, and stupid they are for not realizing that Trump is simply a criminal that was put into a position of great power. That is what happened.

There's no damned upside to this, Pollyanna.
 
d23 [OhFark]
2020-08-20 11:20:54 AM  

zorkmcgork: A majority of Americans have finally realized that the crackpot authoritarian right is a threat to their liberty, and should be burned to the farking ground and paved over

So there's that, I guess


Though we don't need a simple majority to do that we need a freaking 90% majority to get around the anti-democratic roadblocks that are in the constitution or put there by cultists.
 
2020-08-20 11:21:05 AM  
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2020-08-20 11:21:06 AM  
"What if Trump is what America needed in order for us to understand how to fix it?"

How cute: they think that Americans are willing to work to fix their problems and are capable of learning from their mistakes.
 
2020-08-20 11:21:15 AM  
Well if we don't fix it we're F'd in the A!
 
2020-08-20 11:21:22 AM  
In my heart of hearts, I hope something similar is the case. It's like an episode of House M.D. "You're gonna give the patient cancer to find out what's REALLY wrong with him?!"   If we hadn't had Trump, many of the loopholes and exploits in our systems might have been slowly, secretly, and carefully abused by someone competent and malicious.  Such a person might have done so to a point beyond repair before anyone noticed. Instead, we got a toddler with a hate boner for pretty much everything, and he's exposed so many of these problems through sheer stupidity and pig-headedness, laying them bare for all to see. We can only hope that the damage hasn't been severe enough to be permanent, and that the Rs don't block the doctor's recommended treatment.
 
2020-08-20 11:21:31 AM  
Yep 100% true now get out and vote
 
2020-08-20 11:21:32 AM  

TWX: No.

Society is a thin skin holding down the ugliness that are most people inside.  Rip that skin off and you're left with the Nazis, the Khmer Rouge, the Bolsheviks, the Francoists, the Italian Fascists.  We're on the precipice of that right now, because Republicans have been salivating at the notion of permanent power in the United States ever since Newt Gingrich managed to take the House of Representatives in 1994.  Karl Rove publicly speculated about the idea of a permanent conservative majority.  Take a look at right now, and you'll have a sample of what that permanent conservative majority looks like and would like to do.  Destroy not only the rights of minorities, but to outright destroy them.  Revoke the rights of women and their own agency.  Persecute people for their religious beliefs while simultaneously complaining how their own religious beliefs are trampled, etc.  And since they've been willing to partner with foreign governments in order to continue to grasp to power, you bet it would only get worse, with the most authoritarian partnerships, their behavior slowly sinking down to that level.

The amount of damage that Trump has caused will take numerous administrations to fix, and will likely take law enforcement investigations against many that were his supporters or appointees to unmask their misdeeds enough to get them out of office.  You don't think that Judge I Like Beer is going to resign from the Supreme Court, do you?

If the United States had not elected Trump in 2016, we wouldn't have Trump's judges, his federal executive appointees and hires, his federal reserve meddling, the loss of so many lifelong federal employees that left rather than deal with him.  We wouldn't have lost standing in the world.  We wouldn't have had white supremacists marching in our streets openly, we wouldn't have had police empowerment towards killing minorities growing.

Trump might've exposed the raw sickness underneath, but that doesn't mean that was the only way ...


Thread over.
 
2020-08-20 11:21:47 AM  
60 9/11's worth of people dead from a superflu did not manage to force this country to re-assess the role that individuals play in public health. Soooo.....
 
2020-08-20 11:21:48 AM  
Im sick of hearing people call for unity. I dont have any desire at all to be united with fascists, nazis, and klansmen. fark that, i will never feel unity with those groups, nor should I.

This country doesnt need unification, it needs denazification.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazif​i​cation
 
2020-08-20 11:22:29 AM  
I thought it might have been possible, for a second.

But then you see how many people have doubled down on Trump shiat. If anything, this has shown me how CLOSE our nation is to utter collapse.
 
2020-08-20 11:22:38 AM  
Fine, whatever.  If we want to really start to fix it we're going to need both the POTUS and Senate, but we still can't count on the SCOTUS, so that's another potential roadblock.  And, as already mentioned, there are all the idiots out there who won't be terribly helpful (I'm being charitable here) in actually effecting change, though a functioning DOJ may help with that.
 
2020-08-20 11:22:39 AM  
"The GOP will surely learn the error of their ways this time" crowd is also going to help get a Qanon presidential candidate nominated in 2024.
 
2020-08-20 11:22:41 AM  

Corvus: Well if we don't fix it we're F'd in the A!


I'm just grateful that Trump only has a tiny mushroom and can't do any damage to my colon.
 
2020-08-20 11:22:47 AM  

eviljimbo: Yep 100% true now get out and vote


we can't fix this by voting, the ruling class has made sure of that. See: Bernie and Liz
 
2020-08-20 11:23:00 AM  
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2020-08-20 11:23:16 AM  
No, he's the natural digression toward authoritarianism that movement conservatism started, as we've told you stupid motherfarkers for 50 years now.
 
2020-08-20 11:23:54 AM  

zorkmcgork: A majority of Americans have finally realized that the crackpot authoritarian right is a threat to their liberty, and should be burned to the farking ground and paved over

So there's that, I guess


As long as you recognize that the crackpot authoritarian left is also a threat and also should be burned to the farking ground and paved over.

Lotta fires still need to be set.
 
2020-08-20 11:24:32 AM  
Just like I need a meth head taking over my house for a while so I can come back to fix all of the damage.
 
2020-08-20 11:24:44 AM  
Sure why not, but let's fix it already. Four more years down this rabbit hole and we're all going to be suicidal.

On a philosophy side, sure some good comes out of every evil and a miracle for George Bailey is a curse for the milkman who wants to bang his wife. President Lysol is likely the rebirth of the European military. But it's a dangerous "the end justifies the means" outlook subby. Where generally, the world would have been a better place if we'd been smart enough as a nation to stop him in the first place.
 
d23 [OhFark]
2020-08-20 11:25:30 AM  

chewd: Im sick of hearing people call for unity. I dont have any desire at all to be united with fascists, nazis, and klansmen. fark that, i will never feel unity with those groups, nor should I.

This country doesnt need unification, it needs denazification.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazifi​cation


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2020-08-20 11:26:12 AM  
Wait until people figure out that the entire international monetary system is entirely held together by people simply believing in the value of it.

If people stopped accepting cash/cards, literally everything would crumble.
 
2020-08-20 11:27:42 AM  
Hey look, this strawman is made out of kids in cages and 170k people choking to death!
 
2020-08-20 11:27:51 AM  
I don't know if society works the same as a fat diabetic alcoholic smoker getting a heart-attack & cancer scare.
 
2020-08-20 11:28:28 AM  
TWX:

If the United States had not elected Trump in 2016, we wouldn't have Trump's judges, his federal executive appointees and hires, his federal reserve meddling, the loss of so many lifelong federal employees that left rather than deal with him.  We wouldn't have lost standing in the world.  We wouldn't have had white supremacists marching in our streets openly, we wouldn't have had police empowerment towards killing minorities growing.

Trump might've exposed the raw sickness underneath, but that doesn't mean that was the only way ...


We also wouldn't be having larger discussions about how shiatty our healthcare system is, the loopholes with executive orders, the exact lines the DOJ isn't supposed to cross, the idea of one single guy in the senate being able to kill a bill without a vote, gerrymandering, campaign donations, foreign interference, and qualifications or timeliness of judicial appointments..... all of which are the underlying larger problems that are kneecapping the foundations of this country.

Is someone grifting right now? Yes, but who cares a this point. The larger discussion is how broken the system is, and a Trump presidency just highlighted all that shiat and put it out there for everyone to see, simply because he's so god damn stupid.

A hillary presidency would've been business as usual. Yeah yeah yeah.. i know what her party affiliation is, but there is little to no proof that she's left leaning on any issue, until it become politically efficient. Hillary (and bill) are republicans with a better grift.
 
2020-08-20 11:28:58 AM  
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2020-08-20 11:30:00 AM  
Yea, no. The reason for most of the problems identified by the author of this article is that the Republicans decided 40 years ago that lying about helping working people was much easier than actually doing so, and they've managed to keep control of enough of the federal government to prevent it from doing anything. All we're seeing now is the result of 40 years of stagnation.
 
2020-08-20 11:30:56 AM  
What if dying from a deadly pandemic disease is exactly what that person needed to understand the importance of needing a mask?

What is being crippled in a car crash while driving drunk is exactly what that driver needed to overcome his drinking problem?

What if committing suicide was exactly what she needed to face her depression?

Ugh. I get the desire to have a positive takeaway from this mess, but Trump is literally destroying our great country, bit by bit. It didn't take a stable genius to see it was coming, either.
 
2020-08-20 11:31:00 AM  
If we truly needed Trump to bring this to light, then there's a very real likelihood it can't be fixed.
 
2020-08-20 11:31:19 AM  
Step 1: Flush the massive turd that is conservatism and never let it see the light of day.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!
 
2020-08-20 11:31:28 AM  
I have contemplated this. I don't have the answer. It is a bit moot at this point.
 
2020-08-20 11:31:46 AM  
Kinda like if your leg doesn't set right, you have to rebreak it.
 
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