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2020-08-18 3:15:45 PM  
My former employer, a government agency, will no doubt find themselves handicapped by this quickly.
 
2020-08-18 3:28:55 PM  
"Microsoft drives another nail in the coffin of its most hated product"

Most? I'm pretty sure the jury's still out on that.
 
2020-08-18 4:22:12 PM  

edmo: My former employer, a government agency, will no doubt find themselves handicapped by this quickly.


Maybe, but this is just saying that O365 and Teams won't run on IE anymore. Edge is available for W7 and newer, so if they got updated that far and aren't using the desktop apps they're still supported
 
2020-08-18 4:23:33 PM  
I think I can think of a few other hated Microsoft products:

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2020-08-18 4:25:45 PM  
I've been using Edge for about 3 months now, and I like it.  It's really just a Chrome rip off, but runs a little more native on a Windows box (ie my citrix for work runs on it better than Chrome).
 
2020-08-18 4:38:36 PM  
IE is not MS's most hated product. Remember this farking thing?

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2020-08-18 4:40:26 PM  
In other news, the first nail is driven into the coffin of the steaming pile of dead animals that is Teams.
 
2020-08-18 4:49:29 PM  
I hate IE, but it's not top 5 hated MS stuff, probably in my top 10, though.  Would need to think about how I'd rank.
 
2020-08-18 5:03:00 PM  
If Microsoft made Edge look and act like IE UI wise I wouldn't care. Since they didn't I have to deal with switching my mother off IE soon no matter how much she wants to cling to it. She HATES changing UIs.
 
2020-08-18 5:18:11 PM  

pdieten: edmo: My former employer, a government agency, will no doubt find themselves handicapped by this quickly.

Maybe, but this is just saying that O365 and Teams won't run on IE anymore. Edge is available for W7 and newer, so if they got updated that far and aren't using the desktop apps they're still supported


It's the government.  W7 is still dangerously untested geekery that'd just mess everything up by cracky!

/ditto for a lot of industrial applications
//I'd be shocked to death if I couldn't find machine control apps running with IE as a shell within just about any city with industry at all
///some things are just too dumb to benefit much from OS upgrades 'till it gets to the "shiat's completely obsolete now, gotta port it to something else" stage
 
2020-08-18 6:18:41 PM  
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2020-08-18 6:51:15 PM  
Anyone who doesn't hate IE has never had to work on a website that specifically requires that IE6 is supported.
 
2020-08-18 7:01:51 PM  

stuhayes2010: I've been using Edge for about 3 months now, and I like it.  It's really just a Chrome rip off, but runs a little more native on a Windows box (ie my citrix for work runs on it better than Chrome).


I use Citrix to Win10 for work, and get a new desktop each time I log in. I use the native browser (I assumed it's IE, but maybe it's Edge?) because one website we use requires it. Then I use Chrome for everything else, becuase only Chrome remembers my bookmark bar. If bookmark anything in the microsoft browser, the bookmarks are gone next time I log in via Citrix.
If someone up high at MS was smart, they'd talk to Citrix and implement "sticky desktop", or browser settings (including bookmarks), that just naturally follow your profile and appear at different logins.
 
2020-08-18 7:43:35 PM  

endosymbiont: stuhayes2010: I've been using Edge for about 3 months now, and I like it.  It's really just a Chrome rip off, but runs a little more native on a Windows box (ie my citrix for work runs on it better than Chrome).

I use Citrix to Win10 for work, and get a new desktop each time I log in. I use the native browser (I assumed it's IE, but maybe it's Edge?) because one website we use requires it. Then I use Chrome for everything else, becuase only Chrome remembers my bookmark bar. If bookmark anything in the microsoft browser, the bookmarks are gone next time I log in via Citrix.
If someone up high at MS was smart, they'd talk to Citrix and implement "sticky desktop", or browser settings (including bookmarks), that just naturally follow your profile and appear at different logins.


Whoever set it up so you have a fresh install every time you log in is a farking moron. You can't blame Citrix or MS for their lack of brain cells.
 
2020-08-18 7:52:20 PM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: pdieten: edmo: My former employer, a government agency, will no doubt find themselves handicapped by this quickly.

Maybe, but this is just saying that O365 and Teams won't run on IE anymore. Edge is available for W7 and newer, so if they got updated that far and aren't using the desktop apps they're still supported

It's the government.  W7 is still dangerously untested geekery that'd just mess everything up by cracky!

/ditto for a lot of industrial applications
//I'd be shocked to death if I couldn't find machine control apps running with IE as a shell within just about any city with industry at all
///some things are just too dumb to benefit much from OS upgrades 'till it gets to the "shiat's completely obsolete now, gotta port it to something else" stage


This is why I still have to use a gapped Windows XP machine at work because the communication drivers don't work for anything newer and the company is too mean to update the technology because "it already works."
 
2020-08-18 9:10:55 PM  
The new Edge is great.

My DLink cameras use ActiveX controls to display their output in the browser. As a result it would pop a notification saying, "Not yours" on any other browser.

So I thought, I know, I'll update it, then it will probably support more browsers.

Now if you visit them on another browser, it forcefully redirects you to a "You're not using IE, this only works in IE" page.

farking coonts.

I have a user agent extension which pretends to be IE on demand so I can manage them.

My old workplace also used lots of ActiveX controls for their major processes and it's my understanding they did a Windows 10 migration, so that'll be a barrel of laughs.
 
2020-08-18 10:09:55 PM  
I do radio production and I still have to use Exploder and an outdated version of Java to do batch downloads of spots from Westwood One.  If I use something else I have to download each spot individually.  And that ain't gonna happen with 50ish spots every week.  It's like going back in time once a week and being reminded what a turd IE is.
 
2020-08-19 12:37:35 AM  

IceCube85: I think I can think of a few other hated Microsoft products:

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Is this funny trolling? Hard to know anymore.
Vista doesn't even come close to the suckiness of Windows 8. Hell, wasn't the most installed mod for 8 something that made it appear/behave like Vista?
 
2020-08-19 1:01:06 AM  

LiberalConservative: IceCube85: I think I can think of a few other hated Microsoft products:

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Is this funny trolling? Hard to know anymore.
Vista doesn't even come close to the suckiness of Windows 8. Hell, wasn't the most installed mod for 8 something that made it appear/behave like Vista?


8 vs. Vista hate tends to cycle to one side or another depending on whether you were dealing with it as a user or from the IT side - in my experience anyway.
 
2020-08-19 1:58:11 AM  

LiberalConservative: IceCube85: I think I can think of a few other hated Microsoft products:

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Is this funny trolling? Hard to know anymore.
Vista doesn't even come close to the suckiness of Windows 8. Hell, wasn't the most installed mod for 8 something that made it appear/behave like Vista?


Vista came to mind for me mainly because I personally had a laptop installed with it years ago.  The hardware clashed with the software.  It got to the point where I had to tweak regedit after booting up just to access the Internet.  Eventually, the laptop just started overheating all the time to the point where I simply needed to replace the thing.

Windows 8 had a crappy UI and it started the trend of invading people's privacy.  It sucked pretty hard, but at least it was stable even if partially unusable.

Not saying one is universally more reviled than the other, but my experience with Vista was worse (hence the picture).
 
2020-08-19 4:36:39 AM  
Article has a few misleading revisions of history.

IE didn't kill its competitors by superiority. It killed them by being free, pre-installed on Windows. It was subsidized by MS so that no one else could put out a paid product.

IE wasn't *ever* the technically superior browser.

They also present Edge as a Chromium variant, ignoring the fact that it didn't start that way, and that's only a recent change. The original Edge was just a new IE with a different name. Essentially it was a rebranding that let them give you old IE next to new IE, and both were still not fully HTML 5 compatible.

Which is and has always been the biggest problem with IE/Edge. If they'd just farking followed the goddamn standards, fewer people would have been trying to jump to other stuff. Sure, there'd still be people who wanted the extra features of the other browsers, but *basic farking compatibility* is a minimum, and they couldn't even do that.

Well, I say "couldn't". More like "wouldn't'. They are constantly trying to force their own standard on things (like XML, for example. Office implemented it's only slightly-different version.)
 
2020-08-19 5:28:09 AM  

Guildmaster: Article has a few misleading revisions of history.

IE didn't kill its competitors by superiority. It killed them by being free, pre-installed on Windows. It was subsidized by MS so that no one else could put out a paid product.

IE wasn't *ever* the technically superior browser.

They also present Edge as a Chromium variant, ignoring the fact that it didn't start that way, and that's only a recent change. The original Edge was just a new IE with a different name. Essentially it was a rebranding that let them give you old IE next to new IE, and both were still not fully HTML 5 compatible.

Which is and has always been the biggest problem with IE/Edge. If they'd just farking followed the goddamn standards, fewer people would have been trying to jump to other stuff. Sure, there'd still be people who wanted the extra features of the other browsers, but *basic farking compatibility* is a minimum, and they couldn't even do that.

Well, I say "couldn't". More like "wouldn't'. They are constantly trying to force their own standard on things (like XML, for example. Office implemented it's only slightly-different version.)


I just reread the article after your post and not once did it claim superiority at any point. What article did you read?

Also why were the other browsers paid products?
 
2020-08-19 2:59:34 PM  
dyhchong:
I just reread the article after your post and not once did it claim superiority at any point. What article did you read?

They didn't say that, I didn't say they said that. I said it won on the inclusion, and it wasn't ever the superior product.

Also why were the other browsers paid products?

Because all software was? Netscape was a company trying to sell a product that they had made. MS decided to price them out of existing, because you can't compete with "Free". Netscape tried to compete at free and couldn't keep it up.

You have to remember, this was before internet was everywhere and everything. Browser software wasn't part of the OS until MS made it so. You used to buy IE as part of Plus! which was an add-on.
 
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