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2020-08-18 12:01:15 AM  
Who owns your computer?
 
2020-08-18 2:24:06 AM  
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All I need is a bash shell and some sudo goodness and I'm fine.
 
2020-08-18 3:22:37 AM  
Why does anyone care they can't remove a few MBs of software they'll never use?
 
2020-08-18 3:23:56 AM  
You mean the same as Safari on a Mac?

And you can't uninstall it? So what? Don't use it if you don't want to.
Windows has always had applications you can't uninstall. Windows Fax And Scan? Paint? Windows Picture And Fax Viewer? Windows Media Centre? Solitaire? Calculator? All those have come installed on previous Windows versions and no one complained. If you don't want to use them don't use them.
 
2020-08-18 3:27:03 AM  
And this isn't nearly as bad as Apple forcing every user to use Safari on every iPhone and iPad? Because no matter what browser you choose on those devices you're actually using a skin over Safari, with Firefox, Google etc forced to use it and banned from using their own browser tech. It's even worse, because Apple keep the fastest tech for themselves and force everyone else to use slower, older, tech.
 
2020-08-18 3:42:28 AM  
Nearly? So there is a way?
 
2020-08-18 4:01:20 AM  

styckx: Why does anyone care they can't remove a few MBs of software they'll never use?


Not just Edge in particular, but reasons people want to uninstall shjt they didn't ask for (and sometimes even shjt they did ask for that won't take the hint and go away):

1. Principle
2. Takes up space in the Start Menu (this is the one the irks me)
3. Some applications will preferrably run your program it it's available (especially true for Edge)
4. Insecure programs are a potential vector for viruses even if you never manually run them
5. Prevent accidentally running it

Personally, I don't care about Edge (in fact, I kind of look forward to the version of Edge with Chrome guts since it'll let me do a few Chromish things at work; we are not allowed to install Chrome-related browsers for security reasons).  But some of those ridiculous Window Platform apps I pulled out all the stops just so they wouldn't be listed in the Start menu.  And don't get me started on Cortana.
 
2020-08-18 4:25:09 AM  

moos: Who owns your computer?


You do. They own the operating system though. Just don't use windows if you're afraid they will take over your PC.
 
2020-08-18 6:14:13 AM  

aerojockey: styckx: Why does anyone care they can't remove a few MBs of software they'll never use?

Not just Edge in particular, but reasons people want to uninstall shjt they didn't ask for (and sometimes even shjt they did ask for that won't take the hint and go away):

1. Principle
2. Takes up space in the Start Menu (this is the one the irks me)
3. Some applications will preferrably run your program it it's available (especially true for Edge)
4. Insecure programs are a potential vector for viruses even if you never manually run them
5. Prevent accidentally running it

Personally, I don't care about Edge (in fact, I kind of look forward to the version of Edge with Chrome guts since it'll let me do a few Chromish things at work; we are not allowed to install Chrome-related browsers for security reasons).  But some of those ridiculous Window Platform apps I pulled out all the stops just so they wouldn't be listed in the Start menu.  And don't get me started on Cortana.


Now imagine not being able to run pretty much anything because by design, your Apple computer can't really actually have the power to run those things, and never can, because they can never be upgraded without spending another 3k.

Like trying to do shiat on a mac can be a waste of time since it's literally impossible, how do I just upgrade my mac so I can now run this new software with new requirements?  Oh, i'll just have to spend another 3k for many years.  No way I could just add a better video card or upgrade the CPU.

But oh my man yeah being unable to uninstall Edge really prevents you from doing shiat.
 
2020-08-18 6:28:12 AM  
Isn't this a repeat from like a week ago?
 
2020-08-18 6:31:12 AM  

Unscratchable_Itch: Isn't this a repeat from like a week ago?


Yes it is.

At least this article mentions you can unistall edge.

Maybe subby meant the headline as a callback?
 
2020-08-18 6:58:14 AM  

DerAppie: moos: Who owns your computer?

You do. They own the operating system though. Just don't use windows if you're afraid they will take over your PC.


Microsoft owns Linux? That's news to me.
 
2020-08-18 7:17:02 AM  
I've not had uninstall problems with Microsoft before.

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2020-08-18 7:27:32 AM  

Quantumbunny: Unscratchable_Itch: Isn't this a repeat from like a week ago?

Yes it is.

At least this article mentions you can unistall edge.

Maybe subby meant the headline as a callback?


The other article did also.  Whats old is new again.
 
2020-08-18 7:38:44 AM  

aerojockey: styckx: Why does anyone care they can't remove a few MBs of software they'll never use?

Not just Edge in particular, but reasons people want to uninstall shjt they didn't ask for (and sometimes even shjt they did ask for that won't take the hint and go away):

1. Principle
2. Takes up space in the Start Menu (this is the one the irks me)
3. Some applications will preferrably run your program it it's available (especially true for Edge)
4. Insecure programs are a potential vector for viruses even if you never manually run them
5. Prevent accidentally running it

Personally, I don't care about Edge (in fact, I kind of look forward to the version of Edge with Chrome guts since it'll let me do a few Chromish things at work; we are not allowed to install Chrome-related browsers for security reasons).  But some of those ridiculous Window Platform apps I pulled out all the stops just so they wouldn't be listed in the Start menu.  And don't get me started on Cortana.


I use the start menu once or twice a year. Normally I just hit the window key and type the first few letters of the program I want to launch and then hit enter. Come to think of it that's what I do on my phone too when I want to launch an app I don't have a shortcut to.
 
2020-08-18 7:55:16 AM  
Siri, uninstall Safari...
What do you mean you can't?
 
2020-08-18 7:57:24 AM  

fragMasterFlash: [Fark user image 320x236]

All I need is a bash shell and some sudo goodness and I'm fine.


OK

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2020-08-18 8:02:20 AM  
From TFC from this article last week:

https://lifehacker.com/how-to-uninsta​l​l-edge-chromium-when-windows-10-wont-l​et-1844297854

I used method 1.
Worked fine.

If you're worried about messing up the command, you can copy and paste it.
 
2020-08-18 8:19:56 AM  

links136: Now imagine not being able to run pretty much anything because by design, your Apple computer can't really actually have the power to run those things, and never can, because they can never be upgraded without spending another 3k.

Like trying to do shiat on a mac can be a waste of time since it's literally impossible, how do I just upgrade my mac so I can now run this new software with new requirements? Oh, i'll just have to spend another 3k for many years. No way I could just add a better video card or upgrade the CPU.


Not sure what set you off on this rant; but 5 year old Macs still run modern software just fine.


Are you talking about gaming? Because if you go out and spend $3000 on a new Mac to run current titles, then you just bought a screwdriver when what you needed was a hammer.
Macs are not gaming machines.

As far as a PC goes, you can't just upgrade a 5 year old PC with a new generation CPU without also changing the motherboard. You could just upgrade the GPU, but then the old CPU is going to bottleneck the system.
So you're just as well off to buy a new PC, or build your own system and try to future proof it as much as possible. Easier to do with AMD than Intel.

Just use what works for you, and stop fretting what other people are using.
 
2020-08-18 8:50:20 AM  
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2020-08-18 8:52:15 AM  
I realize this comment makes me a Linux user cliche, but all these "who cares if you can't uninstall software you don't want" comments are just so foreign to me now. I didn't realize how much of a slave to Microsoft I was until Linux set me free.
 
2020-08-18 9:04:32 AM  

fragMasterFlash: [Fark user image 320x236]

All I need is a bash shell and some sudo goodness and I'm fine.


Why don't you use zsh or fish?
 
2020-08-18 9:08:08 AM  
Having Edge on a system is nbd; the real annoyance is that you couldn't simply close out its intro screen after it installed the new version - you had to click through their "USE OUR NEW BROWSER, PRETTY PLEASE" screens before it could be done away with. Obnoxious.
 
2020-08-18 9:40:11 AM  
If you care, you're running an embedded system anyway, which means you're probably not using a Microsoft OS.

Microsoft and Apple OSs are consumer grade OSs.  They will always come with lots of bloat.
 
2020-08-18 10:07:49 AM  
The thing I hate is that I use the Avast browser as my default in settings and still every time I restart and in certain other cases, Edge starts up and I have to close it to get it out of the way.
 
2020-08-18 10:42:08 AM  

links136: aerojockey: styckx: Why does anyone care they can't remove a few MBs of software they'll never use?

Not just Edge in particular, but reasons people want to uninstall shjt they didn't ask for (and sometimes even shjt they did ask for that won't take the hint and go away):

1. Principle
2. Takes up space in the Start Menu (this is the one the irks me)
3. Some applications will preferrably run your program it it's available (especially true for Edge)
4. Insecure programs are a potential vector for viruses even if you never manually run them
5. Prevent accidentally running it

Personally, I don't care about Edge (in fact, I kind of look forward to the version of Edge with Chrome guts since it'll let me do a few Chromish things at work; we are not allowed to install Chrome-related browsers for security reasons).  But some of those ridiculous Window Platform apps I pulled out all the stops just so they wouldn't be listed in the Start menu.  And don't get me started on Cortana.

Now imagine not being able to run pretty much anything because by design, your Apple computer can't really actually have the power to run those things, and never can, because they can never be upgraded without spending another 3k.

Like trying to do shiat on a mac can be a waste of time since it's literally impossible, how do I just upgrade my mac so I can now run this new software with new requirements?  Oh, i'll just have to spend another 3k for many years.  No way I could just add a better video card or upgrade the CPU.

But oh my man yeah being unable to uninstall Edge really prevents you from doing shiat.


Terminal says go bash* yourself.


*Yeah, I know they started that zshell strangeness with Catalina. Always reset the default. Only an emacs weirdo likes emacs weirdos.
 
2020-08-18 11:09:36 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: You mean the same as Safari on a Mac?

And you can't uninstall it? So what? Don't use it if you don't want to.
Windows has always had applications you can't uninstall. Windows Fax And Scan? Paint? Windows Picture And Fax Viewer? Windows Media Centre? Solitaire? Calculator? All those have come installed on previous Windows versions and no one complained. If you don't want to use them don't use them.


Right, you don't need to uninstall Safari. In fact, I wouldn't recommend that, because I'm pretty sure the Mac uses Safari for any updates they send out. Also, it's handy for the few websites that don't play nice with Firefox.

All you do is go into Preferences and set your default browser to whichever browser you want to use. Easy.
 
2020-08-18 11:14:38 AM  

bingethinker: Carter Pewterschmidt: You mean the same as Safari on a Mac?

And you can't uninstall it? So what? Don't use it if you don't want to.
Windows has always had applications you can't uninstall. Windows Fax And Scan? Paint? Windows Picture And Fax Viewer? Windows Media Centre? Solitaire? Calculator? All those have come installed on previous Windows versions and no one complained. If you don't want to use them don't use them.

Right, you don't need to uninstall Safari. In fact, I wouldn't recommend that, because I'm pretty sure the Mac uses Safari for any updates they send out. Also, it's handy for the few websites that don't play nice with Firefox.

All you do is go into Preferences and set your default browser to whichever browser you want to use. Easy.


MS uses IE/Edge in the same manner.
 
2020-08-18 11:17:42 AM  

styckx: Why does anyone care they can't remove a few MBs of software they'll never use?


Because that's not all it is.

The other day, I was looking for something in task manager and saw Edge processes running at more than 1% cpu. The browser I NEVER USE was consuming a non-zero amount of computing resources. That's f'd up.
 
2020-08-18 1:18:02 PM  

styckx: Why does anyone care they can't remove a few MBs of software they'll never use?


Why does anyone exist entirely on way-too-expensive beer and Hot Pockets?
 
2020-08-18 2:58:48 PM  
I wouldn't mind Edge so much if Microsoft didn't keep reverting my settings so it becomes the default browser again after every major Windows update.

Cut that shiat out Microsoft. Leave my settings the hell alone.
 
2020-08-18 4:50:13 PM  
One problem I have run in to several times is that many PCs now have multiple Chromium-based browsers installed these days. Something that farks up one will often fark up all of them. Chrome, Edge, Vivaldi, Opera, Avast Safe Browser, 1800Cars4Kids SafeTee Web, whatever the fark.

I haven't had any time to investigate it but it's definitely become a real problem since NuEdge has launched.

Given the choice I don't think I have a single user that would open Edge in preference to Chrome, although we're mostly a Firefox organization anyway. Two decades of begging people not to click on blue Es finally took hold and it's only a problem now because the new thing seems to occasionally mess up the  Chrome install that was already there.  Deleting user profiles doesn't fix things so I'm assuming it's a shared location in ProgramData or the Registry or something. Thanks guys.
 
2020-08-18 5:15:38 PM  

bingethinker: Carter Pewterschmidt: You mean the same as Safari on a Mac?

And you can't uninstall it? So what? Don't use it if you don't want to.
Windows has always had applications you can't uninstall. Windows Fax And Scan? Paint? Windows Picture And Fax Viewer? Windows Media Centre? Solitaire? Calculator? All those have come installed on previous Windows versions and no one complained. If you don't want to use them don't use them.

Right, you don't need to uninstall Safari. In fact, I wouldn't recommend that, because I'm pretty sure the Mac uses Safari for any updates they send out. Also, it's handy for the few websites that don't play nice with Firefox.

All you do is go into Preferences and set your default browser to whichever browser you want to use. Easy.


So, exactly the same as Windows and Edge then?
 
2020-08-18 7:41:54 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: bingethinker: Carter Pewterschmidt: You mean the same as Safari on a Mac?

And you can't uninstall it? So what? Don't use it if you don't want to.
Windows has always had applications you can't uninstall. Windows Fax And Scan? Paint? Windows Picture And Fax Viewer? Windows Media Centre? Solitaire? Calculator? All those have come installed on previous Windows versions and no one complained. If you don't want to use them don't use them.

Right, you don't need to uninstall Safari. In fact, I wouldn't recommend that, because I'm pretty sure the Mac uses Safari for any updates they send out. Also, it's handy for the few websites that don't play nice with Firefox.

All you do is go into Preferences and set your default browser to whichever browser you want to use. Easy.

So, exactly the same as Windows and Edge then?


Not only that, but it's exactly the same as Windows and Edge.
 
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