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(The Virginian-Pilot)   The "Lost Colony of Roanoke," who disappeared without a trace (except for "CROATOAN" being cryptically carved into a tree) has been found. Researchers confirmed they were assimilated into a local Native tribe-*checks notes*- the Croatoans. Seriously?   (pilotonline.com) divider line
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2020-08-17 3:44:59 PM  
No one expects the Croatoan assimilation.
 
2020-08-17 3:59:36 PM  
Lost colonists are always in the last place you look for them.
 
2020-08-17 4:01:10 PM  

Ambivalence: Lost colonists are always in the last place you look for them.


...right in front of you.
 
2020-08-17 4:11:27 PM  
they were assimilated into a local Native tribe-*checks notes*- the Croatoans.


"Ahhhhhhhhh Da da dit da da dit da da da da da....."

moos: No one expects the Croatoan assimilation.


"Mister Worf! Fire ye olde deflector arraye!"
 
2020-08-17 4:49:53 PM  
1) Be part of a small upstart colony.
2) Have your patron leave you with provisions inadequate to cover a 3-year absence.
3) Decide "food" and "sex" are good things, and move to where you can find them.
4) Make sign telling your patron where you buggered off to, should he ever return.
5) OMG MYSTERY
 
2020-08-17 4:55:34 PM  
The way I learned this was that they weren't really lost. Just that there was a Very Likely Answer, but there was no Definitive Proof, so it got pawned off as a mystery (with just a hint of racism explaining why white people couldn't simply integrate into the Croatoan society).
 
2020-08-17 5:00:46 PM  
FTA

Teams have found thousands of artifacts 4-6 feet below the surface that show a mix of English and Indian life. Parts of swords and guns are in the same layer of soil as Indian pottery and arrowheads.

/end FTA

All that proves is that European items were there. The Croatoans could have obtained those items in many ways.
 
2020-08-17 5:04:02 PM  
Look, Leonard Nimoy was smoking a lot of pot in the late 70's and, well...OK, it seems obvious in retrospect.
 
2020-08-17 5:10:13 PM  

cman: FTA

Teams have found thousands of artifacts 4-6 feet below the surface that show a mix of English and Indian life. Parts of swords and guns are in the same layer of soil as Indian pottery and arrowheads.

/end FTA

All that proves is that European items were there. The Croatoans could have obtained those items in many ways.


The genetic evidence matters. The lack of destruction or evidence of violence at their old site matters.

Your "well, um...it's not on videotape" view of how archeology works is one reason I have issues with lay juries.
 
2020-08-17 5:13:13 PM  

wejash: genetic evidence matters


I agree 100%. Problem is is that disturbing a burial ground to conduct those kinds of tests is something that is frowned upon. They even said in the article that they let them be.

wejash: The lack of destruction or evidence of violence at their old site matters.


Not necessarily. There have been ships that have had their crew abandon them because they thought they were going to sink (and ended up not sinking) only to never be heard from again.
 
2020-08-17 5:33:17 PM  

cman: FTA

Teams have found thousands of artifacts 4-6 feet below the surface that show a mix of English and Indian life. Parts of swords and guns are in the same layer of soil as Indian pottery and arrowheads.

/end FTA

All that proves is that European items were there. The Croatoans could have obtained those items in many ways.


You thinking what I'm thinking?

Yep. Antifa.
 
2020-08-17 5:43:30 PM  

BKITU: 1) Be part of a small upstart colony.
2) Have your patron leave you with provisions inadequate to cover a 3-year absence.
3) Decide "food" and "sex" are good things, and move to where you can find them.
4) Make sign telling your patron where you buggered off to, should he ever return.
5) OMG MYSTERY


I would put this 'mystery' down to racism.  The idea that the noble white colonist would have to go 'native' to survive most certainly offended the sensibilities of historians.

In reality, the colonist only existed because they came in after contagion decimated the civilization in the area.  The white colonist basically survived by looting and grave robbing.
 
2020-08-17 5:46:56 PM  

cman: FTA

Teams have found thousands of artifacts 4-6 feet below the surface that show a mix of English and Indian life. Parts of swords and guns are in the same layer of soil as Indian pottery and arrowheads.

/end FTA

All that proves is that European items were there. The Croatoans could have obtained those items in many ways.


see, this is what I am talking about.

Sure dude, they must have gotten sucked up by aliens or something.  They would never have gone to people who knew how to live there.  They were god fearing white Christians.  They wouldn't have lived with savages.  They would have starved to death like proud white people.
 
2020-08-17 5:47:06 PM  

cman: wejash: genetic evidence matters

I agree 100%. Problem is is that disturbing a burial ground to conduct those kinds of tests is something that is frowned upon. They even said in the article that they let them be.

wejash: The lack of destruction or evidence of violence at their old site matters.

Not necessarily. There have been ships that have had their crew abandon them because they thought they were going to sink (and ended up not sinking) only to never be heard from again.


Mary Celeste
 
2020-08-17 5:48:27 PM  

webron: cman: FTA

Teams have found thousands of artifacts 4-6 feet below the surface that show a mix of English and Indian life. Parts of swords and guns are in the same layer of soil as Indian pottery and arrowheads.

/end FTA

All that proves is that European items were there. The Croatoans could have obtained those items in many ways.

see, this is what I am talking about.

Sure dude, they must have gotten sucked up by aliens or something.  They would never have gone to people who knew how to live there.  They were god fearing white Christians.  They wouldn't have lived with savages.  They would have starved to death like proud white people.


Oh please
 
2020-08-17 5:48:34 PM  
That article read like an In Search Of episode. I wonder if it's actually legit.
 
2020-08-17 6:00:57 PM  
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2020-08-17 6:03:27 PM  
Fark has one of these threads about once a year
 
2020-08-17 6:10:07 PM  

cman: webron: cman: FTA

Teams have found thousands of artifacts 4-6 feet below the surface that show a mix of English and Indian life. Parts of swords and guns are in the same layer of soil as Indian pottery and arrowheads.

/end FTA

All that proves is that European items were there. The Croatoans could have obtained those items in many ways.

see, this is what I am talking about.

Sure dude, they must have gotten sucked up by aliens or something.  They would never have gone to people who knew how to live there.  They were god fearing white Christians.  They wouldn't have lived with savages.  They would have starved to death like proud white people.

Oh please


Why?  It is the single most likely explanation, backed by physical evidence.  How else do you explain the stubborn resistance to the idea?  Every few years this comes up and people are always so against this completely logical reasonable and most probable explanation.  If it is not based on some prejudice, then it is a far bigger mystery than disappearance of the Roanoke colony itself.
 
2020-08-17 6:11:02 PM  

FlashHarry: That article read like an In Search Of episode. I wonder if it's actually legit.


Alot of these so called mysteries have reasonable explanations.  It's just more fun to believe in magic and mystery.
 
2020-08-17 6:15:51 PM  

webron: cman: webron: cman: FTA

Teams have found thousands of artifacts 4-6 feet below the surface that show a mix of English and Indian life. Parts of swords and guns are in the same layer of soil as Indian pottery and arrowheads.

/end FTA

All that proves is that European items were there. The Croatoans could have obtained those items in many ways.

see, this is what I am talking about.

Sure dude, they must have gotten sucked up by aliens or something.  They would never have gone to people who knew how to live there.  They were god fearing white Christians.  They wouldn't have lived with savages.  They would have starved to death like proud white people.

Oh please

Why?  It is the single most likely explanation, backed by physical evidence.  How else do you explain the stubborn resistance to the idea?  Every few years this comes up and people are always so against this completely logical reasonable and most probable explanation.  If it is not based on some prejudice, then it is a far bigger mystery than disappearance of the Roanoke colony itself.


I agree with you. It makes the most sense that they merged in to the Croatan tribe. Those items found however could have been there because of trade. Genetic evidence would be the smoking gun.
 
2020-08-17 6:23:56 PM  
The "archeologists are racist" is a new wrinkle in the search for the Lost Colony, however.  I wonder how these guys feel about that?
 
2020-08-17 6:29:04 PM  

webron: cman: webron: cman: FTA

Teams have found thousands of artifacts 4-6 feet below the surface that show a mix of English and Indian life. Parts of swords and guns are in the same layer of soil as Indian pottery and arrowheads.

/end FTA

All that proves is that European items were there. The Croatoans could have obtained those items in many ways.

see, this is what I am talking about.

Sure dude, they must have gotten sucked up by aliens or something.  They would never have gone to people who knew how to live there.  They were god fearing white Christians.  They wouldn't have lived with savages.  They would have starved to death like proud white people.

Oh please

Why?  It is the single most likely explanation, backed by physical evidence.  How else do you explain the stubborn resistance to the idea?  Every few years this comes up and people are always so against this completely logical reasonable and most probable explanation.  If it is not based on some prejudice, then it is a far bigger mystery than disappearance of the Roanoke colony itself.


Are you just writing off the possibility that the Croatoans could have killed and looted the colonists?

I can think of many ways this wouldn't require destroying buildings or making a huge mess.
 
2020-08-17 6:29:43 PM  
I watched an episode about this during the lockdown and this was the conclusion the Science channel stated.
 
2020-08-17 6:42:33 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: "Ahhhhhhhhh Da da dit da da dit da da da da da....."


You better smile when you say that, Mister.
 
2020-08-17 6:51:26 PM  

Quantumbunny: webron: cman: webron: cman: FTA

Teams have found thousands of artifacts 4-6 feet below the surface that show a mix of English and Indian life. Parts of swords and guns are in the same layer of soil as Indian pottery and arrowheads.

/end FTA

All that proves is that European items were there. The Croatoans could have obtained those items in many ways.

see, this is what I am talking about.

Sure dude, they must have gotten sucked up by aliens or something.  They would never have gone to people who knew how to live there.  They were god fearing white Christians.  They wouldn't have lived with savages.  They would have starved to death like proud white people.

Oh please

Why?  It is the single most likely explanation, backed by physical evidence.  How else do you explain the stubborn resistance to the idea?  Every few years this comes up and people are always so against this completely logical reasonable and most probable explanation.  If it is not based on some prejudice, then it is a far bigger mystery than disappearance of the Roanoke colony itself.

Are you just writing off the possibility that the Croatoans could have killed and looted the colonists?

I can think of many ways this wouldn't require destroying buildings or making a huge mess.


But you'd still have to account for the entire lack of bodies, and unless you figure the Croatoan literally took every single thing that wasn't bolted down ("they were so in touch with nature, they used every part of the looted colonies"), we'd find something.
 
2020-08-17 6:53:14 PM  
Was it a typo on a menu?

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2020-08-17 6:55:44 PM  
Doesn't this "mystery" get "solved" about once a year?
 
2020-08-17 7:01:51 PM  
I never understood the sacred burial ground thing. Native Americans don't believe that they will ever come back to their old body after death. I'm not aware of any large populations of people who have those beliefs anymore. So since the body is done and will never be used again why does anyone care what happens to it after death? When I die you guys have my permission to Weekend at Bernie's me as much as you want to. I'm gonna be dead so idgaf what you do with my remains. I'm finished with it by that point.
 
2020-08-17 7:42:10 PM  

Ambivalence: Lost colonists are always in the last place you look for them.


Everything is always in the last place you look for it, because once you've found it, you stop looking for it, therefore making the place in which you found it the last place you looked for it.

QED.
 
2020-08-17 7:52:33 PM  

jayhawk88: Look, Leonard Nimoy was smoking a lot of pot in the late 70's and, well...OK, it seems obvious in retrospect.


In Search of Doritos.
 
2020-08-17 7:56:45 PM  
Read "Phantoms" by Dean Koontz.
Explains the whole thing. Arguably his only good book.
Also a passable film according to Jay and Silent Bob. Batfleck is in it, and doesn't suck.
 
2020-08-17 8:03:46 PM  
Christ, what's Robert Stack gonna do for his next career move now that this has come to light?
 
2020-08-17 8:08:34 PM  
I don''t really care, since my ancestors didn't come over until the Mayflower.
 
2020-08-17 8:42:20 PM  

cryinoutloud: I don''t really care, since my ancestors didn't come over until the Mayflower.


Great.  European rejects.

/kidding, that's pretty cool!
 
2020-08-17 9:11:21 PM  

Ambivalence: Lost colonists are always in the last place you look for them.


It's not like they just got up and walked away.
 
2020-08-17 9:13:02 PM  

Quantumbunny: webron: cman: webron: cman: FTA

Teams have found thousands of artifacts 4-6 feet below the surface that show a mix of English and Indian life. Parts of swords and guns are in the same layer of soil as Indian pottery and arrowheads.

/end FTA

All that proves is that European items were there. The Croatoans could have obtained those items in many ways.

see, this is what I am talking about.

Sure dude, they must have gotten sucked up by aliens or something.  They would never have gone to people who knew how to live there.  They were god fearing white Christians.  They wouldn't have lived with savages.  They would have starved to death like proud white people.

Oh please

Why?  It is the single most likely explanation, backed by physical evidence.  How else do you explain the stubborn resistance to the idea?  Every few years this comes up and people are always so against this completely logical reasonable and most probable explanation.  If it is not based on some prejudice, then it is a far bigger mystery than disappearance of the Roanoke colony itself.

Are you just writing off the possibility that the Croatoans could have killed and looted the colonists?

I can think of many ways this wouldn't require destroying buildings or making a huge mess.


Sure it *could* happen in all sorts of ways that our imaginations dream up, but it seems that the evidence indicates the distinct likelihood of the version in TFA as the most plausible, all things considered.  I suppose the population could have been massacred, and then the bodies taken away to an as-yet undiscovered locations, then the killers took pretty much everything from the settlement to that one village, and didn't do anything to leave a distinct destruction layer, but it's not as plausible as the primary idea.  Massscres and expropriations just don't really look that way, and that doesn't even consider why their erstwhile allies would be the ones that end up with the material legacy.  It becomes an occam's razor sort of thing
 
2020-08-17 9:18:02 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: cman: wejash: genetic evidence matters

I agree 100%. Problem is is that disturbing a burial ground to conduct those kinds of tests is something that is frowned upon. They even said in the article that they let them be.

wejash: The lack of destruction or evidence of violence at their old site matters.

Not necessarily. There have been ships that have had their crew abandon them because they thought they were going to sink (and ended up not sinking) only to never be heard from again.

Mary Celeste


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2020-08-17 9:52:04 PM  

LouisZepher: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: cman: wejash: genetic evidence matters

I agree 100%. Problem is is that disturbing a burial ground to conduct those kinds of tests is something that is frowned upon. They even said in the article that they let them be.

wejash: The lack of destruction or evidence of violence at their old site matters.

Not necessarily. There have been ships that have had their crew abandon them because they thought they were going to sink (and ended up not sinking) only to never be heard from again.

Mary Celeste

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Ohhh.  Actually, that makes more sense.
 
2020-08-17 10:05:05 PM  
"The Lost Colony" Outdoor Drama on the Outer Banks | North Carolina Weekend | UNC-TV
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Saw this when I was a kid. Wonder if it will be performed again.
 
2020-08-17 10:29:53 PM  
Layer explorers also noted fair haired and gray eyed natives in the Croatian Tribe.
 
2020-08-17 10:33:39 PM  

Wesdog: I never understood the sacred burial ground thing. Native Americans don't believe that they will ever come back to their old body after death. I'm not aware of any large populations of people who have those beliefs anymore. So since the body is done and will never be used again why does anyone care what happens to it after death? When I die you guys have my permission to Weekend at Bernie's me as much as you want to. I'm gonna be dead so idgaf what you do with my remains. I'm finished with it by that point.


I think since we took everything else away from them we pretend to humor them on the value of their numerous corpses.
 
2020-08-17 10:35:37 PM  
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2020-08-17 11:16:01 PM  

Dr Dreidel: But you'd still have to account for the entire lack of bodies


Bears die in the woods every year. Ever see a dead bear body there?
 
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2020-08-18 12:51:28 AM  

gopher321: [Fark user image 850x564]


I had to do a double-take.  Crow is a local outfit, I don't know how you found that picture, but, neat!
 
2020-08-18 3:11:53 AM  
Did the guy even bother to check with the Croatians? You'd think his friends and family would still be there after three years.
 
2020-08-18 6:59:35 AM  

doremifaq: Christ, what's Robert Stack gonna do for his next career move now that this has come to light?


Tough call, considering he died about 17 years ago.
 
2020-08-18 10:43:29 AM  

webron: FlashHarry: That article read like an In Search Of episode. I wonder if it's actually legit.

Alot of these so called mysteries have reasonable explanations.  It's just more fun to believe in magic and mystery.


White People: How did your people move these moai?
The Rapa Nui: They walked.
White People: Well this is a mystery.
Also White People:
Scientists Make Easter Island Statue Walk | National Geographic
Youtube YpNuh-J5IgE

Still White People: I guess it will always be a mystery.
 
2020-08-18 12:15:43 PM  

Quantumbunny: webron: cman: webron: cman: FTA

Teams have found thousands of artifacts 4-6 feet below the surface that show a mix of English and Indian life. Parts of swords and guns are in the same layer of soil as Indian pottery and arrowheads.

/end FTA

All that proves is that European items were there. The Croatoans could have obtained those items in many ways.

see, this is what I am talking about.

Sure dude, they must have gotten sucked up by aliens or something.  They would never have gone to people who knew how to live there.  They were god fearing white Christians.  They wouldn't have lived with savages.  They would have starved to death like proud white people.

Oh please

Why?  It is the single most likely explanation, backed by physical evidence.  How else do you explain the stubborn resistance to the idea?  Every few years this comes up and people are always so against this completely logical reasonable and most probable explanation.  If it is not based on some prejudice, then it is a far bigger mystery than disappearance of the Roanoke colony itself.

Are you just writing off the possibility that the Croatoans could have killed and looted the colonists?

I can think of many ways this wouldn't require destroying buildings or making a huge mess.


FTA: The evidence shows the colony left Roanoke Island with the friendly Croatoans to settle on Hatteras Island. They thrived, ate well, had mixed families and endured for generations. More than a century later, explorer John Lawson found natives with blue eyes who recounted they had ancestors who could "speak out of a book," Lawson wrote.

Tell us again, who's writing off possibilities?

\Occam's Razor (and the evidence) FTW...
 
2020-08-18 12:16:09 PM  

Alien Robot: Dr Dreidel: But you'd still have to account for the entire lack of bodies

Bears die in the woods every year. Ever see a dead bear body there?


Yes.
 
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