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2020-08-16 8:20:11 AM  
Is there a single issue that Donnie doesn't choose the worst possible outcome?
 
2020-08-16 8:39:19 AM  
Is this like a reverse Bowe Bergdahl?  The right wanted him released until he was released then he was vilified by them?
 
2020-08-16 9:04:51 AM  
No.
Plus, you ran to russia, you dont get backsies.
 
2020-08-16 10:48:40 AM  
Pardon your felon buddies. Nobody does anything.

Pardon a war criminal. Nobody does anything.

Pardon Snowden. ___________________________
 
2020-08-16 11:12:23 AM  
Trump's assault on US Intelligence Agencies continues. Which is funny, because he hasn't made any of the changes Snowden advocated for. Curious how the principled Snowden would react to such a move.
 
2020-08-16 11:17:50 AM  
So I guess that confirms that Snowden was a Russian asset all along?
 
2020-08-16 11:18:39 AM  
Putin is getting sick of hosting him.
 
2020-08-16 11:19:00 AM  

baka-san: No.
Plus, you ran to russia, you dont get backsies.


Considering the alternative was federal prison, I can't say I'd find the choice an easy one.
 
2020-08-16 11:19:05 AM  

Boondock3806: Trump's assault on US Intelligence Agencies continues. Which is funny, because he hasn't made any of the changes Snowden advocated for. Curious how the principled Snowden would react to such a move.


I'd keep my damn mouth shut until trump was out of office for starters. Maybe get my passport and move somewhere in Europe. I wouldn't trust the Intel agencies enough to move back to the states, but with a pardon you might feel comfortable enough that you wouldn't get extradited from somewhere in Western Europe and that's a lot safer than being a hostage in Russia.
 
2020-08-16 11:19:37 AM  

Boondock3806: Trump's assault on US Intelligence Agencies continues. Which is funny, because he hasn't made any of the changes Snowden advocated for. Curious how the principled Snowden would react to such a move.


I have a feeling he wouldn't accept it. And even if he did, I don't know if Russia would allow him to leave. Snowden goofed up big time with what he did after the leaks, but he's not in the same league of shiatiness that someone like Assange is.

I understand Snowden being scared after releasing the stuff he did. And just running out of the reach of the US was his first thought, then found himself in a worse place
 
2020-08-16 11:20:15 AM  
Whichever side he thinks will get him the most votes and attention?

Not that it matters at this point. It'd take a hell of a lot more than "Edward Snowden pardon" on the other side of the "173K dead & 5.5 million sick Americans" scale to approach anything near balance, never mind tilting the scale in favor of Trump.

Trump put kids in cages, moms in jail, and Americans in graves. Pardoning Snowden won't save him.
 
2020-08-16 11:20:48 AM  
Surely a bold move like this will close the gap against Biden.
 
2020-08-16 11:22:06 AM  

Pin Fiften Clob: Snowden goofed up big time with what he did after the leaks, but he's not in the same league of shiatiness that someone like Assange is.


Snowden would certainly be the most decent pardon of anyone Trump has pardoned. I'm OK with him being pardoned, actually.
 
2020-08-16 11:22:09 AM  

mathamagical: Boondock3806: Trump's assault on US Intelligence Agencies continues. Which is funny, because he hasn't made any of the changes Snowden advocated for. Curious how the principled Snowden would react to such a move.

I'd keep my damn mouth shut until trump was out of office for starters. Maybe get my passport and move somewhere in Europe. I wouldn't trust the Intel agencies enough to move back to the states, but with a pardon you might feel comfortable enough that you wouldn't get extradited from somewhere in Western Europe and that's a lot safer than being a hostage in Russia.


Difficulty: every Western European country has an extradition treaty with the U.S.
 
2020-08-16 11:22:11 AM  
Trump* doesn't look at fleeing to Russia for asylum as such a bad thing. Thinking along those lines himself.
 
2020-08-16 11:25:23 AM  

Boondock3806: Trump's assault on US Intelligence Agencies continues. Which is funny, because he hasn't made any of the changes Snowden advocated for. Curious how the principled Snowden would react to such a move.


that's a noodle scratcher
 
2020-08-16 11:25:55 AM  
Pick anyone who broke the law Donnie and you will find that "a lot of people think that (s)he has been treated unfairly". That's not valid metric that courts use to overturn convictions. They require actual evidence that the conviction was unfair, not just "a lot of people" saying so.
 
2020-08-16 11:26:12 AM  
I heard the Boston Bomber killed or hurt many Democrats. I think he's been treated very unfairly. Many people are telling me that. We're going to look at that and make a big major announcement in 2 weeks.
 
2020-08-16 11:27:33 AM  

edmo: Pardon your felon buddies. Nobody does anything.

Pardon a war criminal. Nobody does anything.

Pardon Snowden. ___________________________


OO!  OO!  I know this one!
 
2020-08-16 11:27:44 AM  

hubiestubert: Is there a single issue that Donnie doesn't choose the worst possible outcome?


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2020-08-16 11:28:17 AM  
Meh.   Reality Winner and Chelsea Manning have more balls between them (even now) than Snowden.

Has he even been charged yet? I should know that, but didn't care enough to remember.
 
2020-08-16 11:29:09 AM  
Trump: We're looking at it.
Translation: I want to do it but I've first got to check that he's got no dirt on me that he might be asked to spill before Congress, and also I want to see how many you-go-girls I get from my base.
 
2020-08-16 11:29:40 AM  
I actually think that Snowden deserves some level of clemency --- but this President is not the person to do it and he is only wanting to do it for all the wrong reasons.
 
2020-08-16 11:33:25 AM  
"I'm not that aware of the Snowden situation," Trump told reporters on Saturday.
 
2020-08-16 11:34:19 AM  
"looking strongly" means he's waiting for marching orders
 
2020-08-16 11:34:34 AM  
Any reporter ask Trump to explain why Snowden possibly gets a pardon but Reality Winner gets to catch covid in prison?
 
2020-08-16 11:34:35 AM  

kpaxoid: Trump: We're looking at it.
Translation: I want to do it but I've first got to check that he's got no dirt on me that he might be asked to spill before Congress, and also I want to see how many you-go-girls I get from my base.


You give him far more credit for attempting to temper his impulses than he deserves.
 
2020-08-16 11:35:44 AM  
I'm so confused by this. Snowden is most likely considered an enemy of the state. This goes against whatever image Trump is painting himself as- law and order and all that

I think Snowden was a hero to the people of the US. He ended up in Russia because he had to run and run fast. I mean wasn't a jet for a royal or head of state held up specifically because the US thought Snowden was on board?

I don't get this move at all.
 
2020-08-16 11:36:18 AM  
That reminds me: What's Julian Assange up to these days? Is he still in British custody?
 
2020-08-16 11:37:13 AM  

transporter_ii: Pin Fiften Clob: Snowden goofed up big time with what he did after the leaks, but he's not in the same league of shiatiness that someone like Assange is.

Snowden would certainly be the most decent pardon of anyone Trump has pardoned. I'm OK with him being pardoned, actually.


I'm not. He's not a whistleblower. His 'good intent' aside, we committed espionage. He secured his position with the sole purpose of divulging information. This isn't a simple case of 'oh, this is bad, I should tell someone'. If he wanted any kind of respect for what he did, he should have provided the data to multiple outlets and faced the music. Instead, he and his cohorts tried to become famous. Maybe he was taken by Greenwald and Assange. I don't know. But I know Snowden doesn't exactly exude humility... He's at worst a traitor and at best a vandal. He's no hero.

fark him.
 
2020-08-16 11:38:41 AM  
Personally I think Snowden should never face any sort of charges in the US.  Nothing he personally ever did broke any laws or revealed anything he knew.  The fact the US has a problem with him is like calling out a journalist for not revealing sources.  I find that tRump "forgiving" him to be joke, tRump has no farking idea what wikileaks was all about, let alone what has happened over the last many years.

Just drop the bullshiat charges, everything about someone posting something they received makes the whole internet guilty.
 
2020-08-16 11:39:04 AM  

Officer Barrelroll: Any reporter ask Trump to explain why Snowden possibly gets a pardon but Reality Winner gets to catch covid in prison?


Because Reality is a woman and is therefore NASTY.
 
2020-08-16 11:39:42 AM  
Of course Trump wants to pardon a russian spy.
 
2020-08-16 11:41:21 AM  
Edward Snowden on Passwords: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
Youtube yzGzB-yYKcc

I liked Oliver's interview with him ....this is just a small excerpt
 
2020-08-16 11:41:43 AM  

Nadie_AZ: I'm so confused by this. Snowden is most likely considered an enemy of the state. This goes against whatever image Trump is painting himself as- law and order and all that

I think Snowden was a hero to the people of the US. He ended up in Russia because he had to run and run fast. I mean wasn't a jet for a royal or head of state held up specifically because the US thought Snowden was on board?

I don't get this move at all.


Meh.  Snowden could have planned his exit a lot better with the timing of his release of information.   He was (not) caught flatfooted because he didn't plan ahead and not figure out where to high tail it before he dumped the information.   I also have no respect for him because he did run.   Like I said, Chelsea Manning and Reality Winner were/are in prison.  Snowden is in Russia...ah diddums.
 
2020-08-16 11:45:13 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Officer Barrelroll: Any reporter ask Trump to explain why Snowden possibly gets a pardon but Reality Winner gets to catch covid in prison?

Because Reality is a woman and is therefore NASTY.


I have to check, but I think Winner also leaked info showing intelligence reports that Russia interfered in the election to help Trump.
 
2020-08-16 11:46:00 AM  
Reality Winner called and would like a word.
 
2020-08-16 11:47:07 AM  

GoldSpider: baka-san: No.
Plus, you ran to russia, you dont get backsies.

Considering the alternative was federal prison, I can't say I'd find the choice an easy one.


You aren't fleeing to Russia as an intelligence operative with Russia not expecting something major and enduring in return.  That in and of itself is reason enough not to forgive his crimes in the States.
 
2020-08-16 11:47:37 AM  
I think he'll do it because he really hates the intel people and they really hate Snowden.
 
2020-08-16 11:48:22 AM  

red5ish: Trump* doesn't look at fleeing to Russia for asylum as such a bad thing. Thinking along those lines himself.


Might need to do it to free his quarters up, so he doesn't have a roomie when he arrives.
 
2020-08-16 11:48:37 AM  
Snowden has publicly stated that he will surrender himself if he gets his day in court.
Thus far he has been promised that he will not be tortured if he returns.

So there's that.
 
2020-08-16 11:50:24 AM  
Really though, why did he choose to flee to Russia? Snowden is a serious mixed bag and his original intentions might have been good. His girlfriend at the time was a Russian national. If Putin didn't want him there he likely already be dead years ago. He's what you call a zombie operative just like Trump...they don't even know that they're being used but achieve the ends nonetheless
 
2020-08-16 11:51:09 AM  
Everybody omits the fact that Snowden was in transit when the US canceled his passport thus trapping him in Russia.

You guys are sheep.
 
2020-08-16 11:51:27 AM  
The only thing stopping Trump from pardoning himself is a Nixon-era memo from the DOJ. Does the current DOJ have the same opinion? We'll find out January 20th. Anyone placing bets?
 
2020-08-16 11:52:32 AM  
Snowden and Assange just maybe started out with good intentions. I used to respect them, perhaps I was fooled, perhaps not.

Their choices over the years to side with Russia have more than outweighed any good they once did. If you are supposedly on the side of people, I don't care who's after you, Putin is the enemy of the people.
 
2020-08-16 11:52:35 AM  
I think this is a good example of the trump don't really know anything he just does what he imagines will make him more popular with the people he wants to be popular with.


I doubt he actually has any understanding of the situation in order to make an actually considered thought out decision about if he finds the actions of that person to be morally correct or not.

That is always the line to deal with that is never objective and obvious:

At what point should a soldier refuse the orders given?

Where is that tipping point between upholding a position's duty to obey and upholding your own sense of  moral obligation to the bigger picture of us all, that we will accept your disobedience and rule breaking as necessary and good?


In essence, the civilization's indoctrination on us as children, that is the first oath as citizens we took, before any other military or office of service we my fill.
That first obligation does come first and is why sometimes orders should be refused, and secrets that should never have been, should be exposed.
 
2020-08-16 11:53:50 AM  

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I liked Oliver's interview with him ....this is just a small excerpt


xkcd did it:

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2020-08-16 11:54:08 AM  

kpaxoid: Trump: We're looking at it.
Translation: I want to do it but I've first got to check that he's got no dirt on me that he might be asked to spill before Congress, and also I want to see how many you-go-girls I get from my base.


Nah. "We're looking at it" is the traditional non-answer (for any pol) to a question they don't know anything about, haven't seen polling for, or just want to wait for the right time to do whatever it is they're already going to do. Washington Post has tracked Trump's lies as over 20,000.  I'd like to know how many times he's said "We're looking at" or we'll get back to you with an answer on that" without ever actually looking at it or getting back on the answer.
 
2020-08-16 11:54:26 AM  

Magruda: Everybody omits the fact that Snowden was in transit when the US canceled his passport thus trapping him in Russia.

You guys are sheep.


Well, as I said, he planned poorly.   If you are going to release untold numbers of documents, you GTFO first.
 
2020-08-16 11:54:27 AM  

Summoner101: GoldSpider: baka-san: No.
Plus, you ran to russia, you dont get backsies.

Considering the alternative was federal prison, I can't say I'd find the choice an easy one.

You aren't fleeing to Russia as an intelligence operative with Russia not expecting something major and enduring in return.  That in and of itself is reason enough not to forgive his crimes in the States.


Russia was "rewarded" by the embarrassment it caused the USA.
 
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