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2020-08-15 2:41:18 PM  
We entirely failed to anticipate the ways in which the essay would be interpreted, distorted and weaponized.

How about you go f*ck yourself Newsweek. There is no distortion, it was birtherism 2.0, racist to the core.
 
2020-08-15 3:01:31 PM  
"Golly gee, how could we have known that dousing that fire with a gallon of gasoline would make the fire worse? We're sorry you people were offended."
 
2020-08-15 4:43:27 PM  
At first they defended it, now they're apologizing.
LOL
Newsweek, like so many others, is a failing business built on the old-media model.
So they only exist by taking money for propaganda now.
 
2020-08-15 4:44:19 PM  
Did Newsweek get banned from Fark?
 
2020-08-15 4:45:06 PM  

Begoggle: At first they defended it, now they're apologizing.
LOL
Newsweek, like so many others, is a failing business built on the old-media model.
So they only exist by taking money for propaganda now.


Like NYT and WP, they wouldn't have to drown if they stopped legitimizing propaganda.
 
2020-08-15 4:45:15 PM  
Piss off, Newsmeek.

People should stick you in their HOSTS files.
 
2020-08-15 4:45:24 PM  
They were just asking questions
 
2020-08-15 4:46:15 PM  
We entirely failed to anticipate the ways in which the essay would be interpreted, distorted and weaponized."

"We're sorry that you were offended."  Nice Republican apology there.
 
2020-08-15 4:47:08 PM  
Interesting that this theory has only been applicable to Kamala Harris and Barrack Obama.

What do those two have in common that could possibly explain such a theory?

Hmmmmmm.
 
2020-08-15 4:47:53 PM  
They should have removed it. They are complicit. I wouldn't be surprised to see these old-school, formerly legit publications being infiltrated by ratfarkers working for low wages at the failing pubs, but supplemented by dark money happy to get the propaganda out there.
 
2020-08-15 4:48:18 PM  
Given that Newsweek's Opinion Editor spent a fair amount of time and energy in 2016 defending the eligibility of (WHITE) Canadian-Born Ted Cruz to be President, their defense of (and subsequent apology for) publishing an opinion piece attacking the eligibility of a (BROWN) US-Born Kamala Harris in 2020 rings hollow.

Go Fark Yourselves, Newsweek.
 
2020-08-15 4:50:54 PM  

Ishkur: Interesting that this theory has only been applicable to Kamala Harris and Barrack Obama.

What do those two have in common that could possibly explain such a theory?

Hmmmmmm.


^this
also, she ran for president. pretty sure they check qualifications before letting you do that. it is the most powerful position in the landing is no joke. well it didn't use to be a joke.
 
2020-08-15 4:54:45 PM  

Kittypie070: Piss off, Newsmeek.

People should stick you in their HOSTS files.


This kerfuffle resulted in my finding out that Newsweek was sold in 2010 and is now managed by RWNJs. Like KTLA in our TV market (in & out of talks to be sold to Sinclair), I'd vaguely noticed that I cared less and less about their content, but hadn't consciously worked out why.

So they're in my phone's version of a hosts file: my shiat list.
 
2020-08-15 4:55:17 PM  

chucknasty: Ishkur: Interesting that this theory has only been applicable to Kamala Harris and Barrack Obama.

What do those two have in common that could possibly explain such a theory?

Hmmmmmm.

^this
also, she ran for president. pretty sure they check qualifications before letting you do that. it is the most powerful position in the landing is no joke. well it didn't use to be a joke.


I would also think there would be a Republican group somewhere who was doing their own look into the eligibility of any and all candidates since the running for the party nominee. It's just the smart thing to do......Wait! Scratch all that, I found the error in my logic.
 
2020-08-15 4:57:04 PM  
"Newsweek says it will not unpublish the op-ed because the outlet" is full of cowards, lickspittles, racists, and toadies.
 
2020-08-15 4:59:34 PM  
Newsweek allowed the idea that she isn't a "real American" to be put out there for Trump's base to gobble up. Trump praised the writer as a "very highly qualified, very talented lawyer" and coyly stated that he has no idea if this could actually be true or not. Newsweek is now acting stunned that people are interpreting this hit piece for what it is, an attack on a Person of Color.

"this essay was an attempt to examine a legal argument about the difference between "natural born" and "naturalized," the latter being ineligible to hold the office of president. "

She was born in Oakland you farking chuds. ANYONE who is born in the US is a natural born citizen. How is this a controversy??
 
2020-08-15 4:59:44 PM  
I don't give Newsweek any more credibility than I grant to American Thinker or The Blaze.
 
2020-08-15 4:59:52 PM  
Typical American apology.

"We are sorry you people are so stupid you couldn't see the real reason we published the article.  In hindsight we should have know how dumb you all are and maybe not done it.  However, regardless of the damage it may be doing, we will be leaving it up until you idiots get a brain".
 
2020-08-15 5:00:06 PM  

Ishkur: Interesting that this theory has only been applicable to Kamala Harris and Barrack Obama.

What do those two have in common that could possibly explain such a theory?


You mean it doesn't apply to Ted Cruz. !!!

He probably was eligible to be president, but if you look into Cruz, it might have had to go to the courts if he had actually won the Republican nomination. His mother was a US citizen, but the law was somewhat sexist and it really applies to the father being the citizen.

It hasn't always been applied that way, but given the situation, I could actually see the SCOTUS having to rule on that one.
 
2020-08-15 5:00:19 PM  

Chuck87: Blahblah


The nice thing about you Trumpers is we can ignore anything you say on any topic without the slightest concern that we might miss some pearl of wisdom.  Or of average intellect.

/it's more like the outgassing of a decaying corpse
 
2020-08-15 5:00:31 PM  
The latest editor's note states: "The op-ed was never intended to spark or to take part in the racist lie of Birtherism, the conspiracy theory aimed at delegitimizing Barack Obama, but we should have recognized the potential, even probability, that that could happen."

If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck it's pumpkin pie!
 
2020-08-15 5:04:37 PM  
Wait, it turns out that the same publication that outed a random old retired guy they found in the phone book as the OG Satoshi Nakamoto is full of bullshiat?

Nooooooo

Say it ain't so
 
2020-08-15 5:05:57 PM  
This is not birtherism in the same way that was pushed about Obama.  The allegation against Obama was that he was not born in the US.  The issue about Harris is one in regards to an interpretation of the 14th Amendment , an interpretation that has basically not been recognized by almost all legal scholars nor US courts.
 
2020-08-15 5:10:39 PM  
Apologized but left it up on the website.

Newsweek says it will not unpublish the op-ed because the outlet believes in "being transparent and are therefore allowing it to remain online, with this note attached."

I'm also attaching a note: F*ck you and the horse you rode in on.
 
2020-08-15 5:10:42 PM  

mofa: Kittypie070: Piss off, Newsmeek.

People should stick you in their HOSTS files.

This kerfuffle resulted in my finding out that Newsweek was sold in 2010 and is now managed by RWNJs. Like KTLA in our TV market (in & out of talks to be sold to Sinclair), I'd vaguely noticed that I cared less and less about their content, but hadn't consciously worked out why.

So they're in my phone's version of a hosts file: my shiat list.


That deal with Sinclair fell apart.

https://ktla.com/news/sinclair-broadc​a​sting-fined-48-million-over-failed-dea​l-to-acquire-former-ktla-parent-compan​y-tribune/

It got bought by a less-controversial (politically at least) station group.

https://ktla.com/2018/12/03/nexstar-o​f​fers-about-4b-for-purchase-of-ktla-par​ent-company-tribune-media/
 
2020-08-15 5:11:45 PM  

nicholas m schumacher: Newsweek allowed the idea that she isn't a "real American" to be put out there for Trump's base to gobble up. Trump praised the writer as a "very highly qualified, very talented lawyer" and coyly stated that he has no idea if this could actually be true or not. Newsweek is now acting stunned that people are interpreting this hit piece for what it is, an attack on a Person of Color.

"this essay was an attempt to examine a legal argument about the difference between "natural born" and "naturalized," the latter being ineligible to hold the office of president. "

She was born in Oakland you farking chuds. ANYONE who is born in the US is a natural born citizen. How is this a controversy??


In complete fairness, these same people think Oakland isn't a part of America.
 
2020-08-15 5:17:07 PM  

swaniefrmreddeer: it was birtherism 2.0


Chester A. Arthur would like a word...
 
2020-08-15 5:19:41 PM  
 
2020-08-15 5:20:14 PM  
Nice "apology": we are so sorry that you're too stupid to pick up what we're laying down.  fark off.
 
2020-08-15 5:22:35 PM  
"The op-ed was never intended to spark or to take part in the racist lie of Birtherism, the conspiracy theory aimed at delegitimizing Barack Obama"

...So they think the problem with the lie is that it targeted Barack Obama specifically?
 
2020-08-15 5:32:42 PM  
We entirely failed to anticipate the ways in which the essay would be interpreted, distorted and weaponized.

GFY with a rake.  I hope you get COVID, I hope your COVID gets cancer, and I hope your cancer gets AIDS.
 
2020-08-15 5:33:30 PM  

aleister_greynight: We entirely failed to anticipate the ways in which the essay would be interpreted, distorted and weaponized."

"We're sorry that you were offended."  Nice Republican apology there.


It really is that, isn't it? "You misinterpreted what we said, therefore it's your fault. Sorry about that."

Ah, no, I think "we" were right on the money. Put it on the shelf with "It's just a joke; you liberals are too sensitive" and other forms of political gaslighting.
 
2020-08-15 5:34:44 PM  

Begoggle: At first they defended it, now they're apologizing.
LOL
Newsweek, like so many others, is a failing business built on the old-media model.
So they only exist by taking money for propaganda now.


Taking money for propaganda is the new business model. There's an entire ecosystem of "conservative" news sites which are propped up by deep pocketed right wing donor lunatics which exist for that purpose. And I'd argue that ultimately, our biggest mainstream media org Fox News, is doing that too. Plus, you know, the advertising sneaking in to news sites in general as well.

It's all a natural consequence of the profit motive needing to be chased by the media organizations themselves. The profit motive is a powerful tool, but like any tool it's usually more destructive than constructive when applied to a task it's not appropriate for.
 
2020-08-15 5:35:51 PM  

Begoggle: At first they defended it, now they're apologizing.
LOL
Newsweek, like so many others, is a failing business built on the old-media model.
So they only exist by taking money for propaganda now.


The "apology" boils down to "we're sorry you little people are being intransigent instead of swallowing our overt racism and despicable lies quietly."
 
2020-08-15 5:37:46 PM  

mongbiohazard: Begoggle: At first they defended it, now they're apologizing.
LOL
Newsweek, like so many others, is a failing business built on the old-media model.
So they only exist by taking money for propaganda now.

Taking money for propaganda is the new business model. There's an entire ecosystem of "conservative" news sites which are propped up by deep pocketed right wing donor lunatics which exist for that purpose. And I'd argue that ultimately, our biggest mainstream media org Fox News, is doing that too. Plus, you know, the advertising sneaking in to news sites in general as well.

It's all a natural consequence of the profit motive needing to be chased by the media organizations themselves. The profit motive is a powerful tool, but like any tool it's usually more destructive than constructive when applied to a task it's not appropriate for.


Hey, conspiracy nuts (who don't want to come across as overtly racist) spend money too!  Why do you hate the invisible hand of the free market?!

/sarc
 
2020-08-15 5:37:47 PM  

nicholas m schumacher: Newsweek allowed the idea that she isn't a "real American" to be put out there for Trump's base to gobble up. Trump praised the writer as a "very highly qualified, very talented lawyer" and coyly stated that he has no idea if this could actually be true or not. Newsweek is now acting stunned that people are interpreting this hit piece for what it is, an attack on a Person of Color.

"this essay was an attempt to examine a legal argument about the difference between "natural born" and "naturalized," the latter being ineligible to hold the office of president. "

She was born in Oakland you farking chuds. ANYONE who is born in the US is a natural born citizen. How is this a controversy??


Because she's black - and because of America's culture and heritage, all she needs is one drop to be 100% super-ultra-African.
 
2020-08-15 5:48:49 PM  
Let's get this straight - there is a fringe belief that "natural born" means (a) both biological parents are U.S. citizens (b) the candidate is themselves physically born in the U.S.

What might have helped from the start is if Newsweek had bothered to list who would be disqualified from becoming president under such a fringe idea. Most especially former presidents and vice presidents. But also current children of presidents: both of Obama's kids = qualified vs 3 of 4 of Trump's own kids = not qualified.

Maybe if folks knew what a nutty fringe idea this is in the first place, it wouldn't have gotten any traction. OK it's Donald Trump, it still would have gotten traction.
 
2020-08-15 5:49:02 PM  

Ishkur: Interesting that this theory has only been applicable to Kamala Harris and Barrack Obama.

What do those two have in common that could possibly explain such a theory?

Hmmmmmm.


It's the shoes.

And the hat.

But they're a witch!
 
2020-08-15 5:50:00 PM  
Kamala Harris

Born in the USA. (California)

Both parents legal immigrants, naturalized.

Mother took her daughters to McGill University, Montreal, Canada and returned safely, implying a legal crossing of the border, possibly with a passport or legal work permit as a physician or scientist.

Her sister was also a USA citizen at birth and married an African American, native born.

And what's a President without Irish ancestors.

I am working on a small Kamala Harris family tree (although it is irrelevant unless she becomes President in her own right, because VPs don't count for my Nearest Cousin rule).

Kamala Harris is part Irish on her Father (African Jamaican) side. Her ancestor was Colonel Hamilton "Iron Head" Brown, born in Antrim, Ireland in 1775 and who dies in Jamaica in 1843.

Admit it. You are impressed by the name "Colonel Hamilton "Iron Head" Brown. There is a very nice photograph on some of the rapidly multiplying Harris family trees.

Vote "Iron Head" in 2020 instead of Shiat for Brains!
 
2020-08-15 5:50:36 PM  

chrismurphy: Let's get this straight - there is a fringe belief that "natural born" means (a) both biological parents are U.S. citizens (b) the candidate is themselves physically born in the U.S.


(a)  ^at the time of candidate's conception or birth, which ever occurs first
 
2020-08-15 5:51:21 PM  
Where it stands: Newsweek says it will not unpublish the op-ed because the outlet believes in "being transparent and are therefore allowing it to remain online, with this note attached."

I'm willing to apply Hanlon's razor here. They didn't give a "sorry you're offended" non-apology, and they left the offensive op-ed up with a note.

I think some of the propaganda outfits in this country are starting to see how offensive Trump really is and how he's affecting their bottom line. The post office thing seems to be the beginning of the end. People are pissed and hopefully it snowballs.
 
2020-08-15 5:52:22 PM  
Of course, "Iron Head" could be intended as an insulting epithet given to him by his loving troops, but hey, that's racist. Fark you, racist snowflake!

Any hoo, he was Irish so stubborness is a well-known and documented racial trait. Fark you, liberal snowflake!

Still more military experience and ancestry than Donald "Panic Room" Trump has racked up in three hundred years of draft-dodgers and whore-house owners.
 
2020-08-15 5:56:26 PM  

mongbiohazard: Begoggle: At first they defended it, now they're apologizing.
LOL
Newsweek, like so many others, is a failing business built on the old-media model.
So they only exist by taking money for propaganda now.

Taking money for propaganda is the new business model. There's an entire ecosystem of "conservative" news sites which are propped up by deep pocketed right wing donor lunatics which exist for that purpose. And I'd argue that ultimately, our biggest mainstream media org Fox News, is doing that too. Plus, you know, the advertising sneaking in to news sites in general as well.

It's all a natural consequence of the profit motive needing to be chased by the media organizations themselves. The profit motive is a powerful tool, but like any tool it's usually more destructive than constructive when applied to a task it's not appropriate for.


People were trained on infomercials since Ron Popeil first started hawking his crap on late-night teevee back in the 1970's. Remember the half-hour "Turnip Twaddler" shows?
 
2020-08-15 6:00:28 PM  
I will smart this post myself, contrary to my habit of smarting everybody else in the thread some times.

Only one parent of a natural born American citizen has to be natural born themselves.

This rule was established to prevent cliams of citizenship by the children of diplomats and military personnel in the USA. The person does not have to be born in the contiguous USA. They can be born in Alaska, Hawaii, Mexico (Mitt Romney's Morman missionaries are a case in point), in the Panama Canal Zone (or even in Panama) like John McCain, and so forth. Ted Cruz was born in Canada of one Cuban parent and one American parent. God help us all.

It is arrant nonsense, bullshiat and lies to claim that Donalld Trump is ineligible to be President because his Mother was a Scottish servant gal born abroad and forming a new immigrant chain which has been continued by Donald Trumps's three Eastern European wives and thus his three children and several grand-children.

It is arrant nonsense to say that Barron Trump can not inherit his Father's corona and Iron Throne.

Fools, scoundrels, liars!

Oh, what a tangeld web we weave
When first we practice to deceive.

Any hoo, Donald Trump has had 73-74 years of practice in the Decaying Art of Lying.

God save us all. Trump was not excluded from the Presidency by birth. He was excluded from the Presidency by failing his way up through life with the help of a lot of Mafia lawyers, accountants, and Made Men, notably the homosexual racist lawyer, Roy Cohn, his ideal of manhood.
 
2020-08-15 6:01:38 PM  
I am not giving myself a Funny vote. Nothing I said above is a joke. I am dead serious and certain of my facts, which continue to be reality and therefore exist regardless of whether you believe in them or not.
 
2020-08-15 6:03:29 PM  

Deathfrogg: mongbiohazard: Begoggle: At first they defended it, now they're apologizing.
LOL
Newsweek, like so many others, is a failing business built on the old-media model.
So they only exist by taking money for propaganda now.

Taking money for propaganda is the new business model. There's an entire ecosystem of "conservative" news sites which are propped up by deep pocketed right wing donor lunatics which exist for that purpose. And I'd argue that ultimately, our biggest mainstream media org Fox News, is doing that too. Plus, you know, the advertising sneaking in to news sites in general as well.

It's all a natural consequence of the profit motive needing to be chased by the media organizations themselves. The profit motive is a powerful tool, but like any tool it's usually more destructive than constructive when applied to a task it's not appropriate for.

People were trained on infomercials since Ron Popeil first started hawking his crap on late-night teevee back in the 1970's. Remember the half-hour "Turnip Twaddler" shows?


I remember Turnip Twaddlers. But I think they were only available in Bloom County, which is in, well, one of the continental states somewhere, possibly East Texas or Ohio.

Hairy Fish Nuts my friend, Hairy Fish Nuts to every one!
 
2020-08-15 6:05:49 PM  

Walker: Apologized but left it up on the website.

Newsweek says it will not unpublish the op-ed because the outlet believes in "being transparent and are therefore allowing it to remain online, with this note attached."

I'm also attaching a note: F*ck you and the horse you rode in on.


It looks like they're adopting the "history will be erased if Confederate statues are torn down" defense.
 
2020-08-15 6:30:48 PM  

runwiz: This is not birtherism in the same way that was pushed about Obama.  The allegation against Obama was that he was not born in the US.  The issue about Harris is one in regards to an interpretation of the 14th Amendment , an interpretation that has basically not been recognized by almost all legal scholars nor US courts.


You're getting bogged down in the details. The purpose of both is to twist and distort and lie in order to justify a foregone conclusion that the black person can't be president.
 
2020-08-15 6:37:19 PM  
The alleged essay in question - titled Some Questions for Kamala Harris About Eligibility and written by the same loon who lost to the guy who lost to Harris when she ran for CA Att'y Gen'l - is really just one long screechy

"I am very intelligent."

It's worth a read. Instructive, although perhaps not in the way Mister Doublefail Douchebag meant it to be.
 
2020-08-15 6:41:41 PM  
Thomas Jefferson's mom, Jane Randolph, was born in London, England.

Jane Randolph was born in Shadwell parish, London, on February 9, 1721, the daughter of Isham Randolph and Jane Rogers Randolph. By October 1725, the Randolph family was in Williamsburg. Jane Randolph married Peter Jefferson on October 3, 1739, in Goochland County, and afterward managed the household, bore ten children, and raised eight of them to adulthood.
 
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