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2020-08-15 9:58:05 AM  
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2020-08-15 10:04:22 AM  
I'll be first in line to take that vaccine that will surely work like a charm and not be a total joke.

Actually, I might take it when actual western scientists (Fauci would be good.) say it's OK.   Of course, that won't happen for at LEAST A YEAR, this is just to generate some oligarch cash.  Everybody calm down.
 
2020-08-15 10:54:51 AM  

PaulRB: I'll be first in line to take that vaccine that will surely work like a charm and not be a total joke.

Actually, I might take it when actual western scientists (Fauci would be good.) say it's OK.   Of course, that won't happen for at LEAST A YEAR, this is just to generate some oligarch cash.  Everybody calm down.


...but that won't stop Trump from buying 300,000,000 doses. And paying up front for them.

/This is Trump's attempt at an October Surprise.
 
2020-08-15 11:11:35 AM  

PainInTheASP: PaulRB: I'll be first in line to take that vaccine that will surely work like a charm and not be a total joke.

Actually, I might take it when actual western scientists (Fauci would be good.) say it's OK.   Of course, that won't happen for at LEAST A YEAR, this is just to generate some oligarch cash.  Everybody calm down.

...but that won't stop Trump from buying 300,000,000 doses. And paying up front for them.

/This is Trump's attempt at an October Surprise.


Yeah, because why worry about the repercussions of taking medicine that hasn't even been through stage 3 trials or the required post inoculation monitoring to make sure we all don't die from some unanticipated side effect?
 
2020-08-15 11:13:13 AM  

PainInTheASP: PaulRB: I'll be first in line to take that vaccine that will surely work like a charm and not be a total joke.

Actually, I might take it when actual western scientists (Fauci would be good.) say it's OK.   Of course, that won't happen for at LEAST A YEAR, this is just to generate some oligarch cash.  Everybody calm down.

...but that won't stop Trump from buying 300,000,000 doses. And paying up front for them.

/This is Trump's attempt at an October Surprise.


Yeah, it may have taken a few years, but you gotta admire that Trump will find a way to send taxpayer monies directly to Putin.
 
2020-08-15 11:29:25 AM  
It's sodium hypochloride y'all , with a fresh linen scent.
 
2020-08-15 11:30:21 AM  

plecos: It's sodium hypochloride y'all , with a fresh linen scent.


ChlorITE dammit
 
2020-08-15 12:03:38 PM  
This is it. This is the rage virus/zombie outbreak scenario. They're gonna mass produce and send out. When they test on their own, it happens, the infected either die & rise, or just go berserk. But the Russian gov't suppresses what they can to keep it out. Trump buys millions of doses and is the first administered, on live TV to show it's "safe". He immediately turns and displays superhuman strength and unrepentant rage, bounding down the ramp toward reporters and allies alike, to rip them to shreds.

Those that survived immediately wrote about how agile and fit the President looked. His tone and demeanor seemed calmer, and he displayed true bipartisanship by murdering both sides without favoritism.
 
2020-08-15 12:09:47 PM  
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This is the first site I've seen where if you highlight text it immediately gives a button for tweeting...  Is this something new on the inter-tubes or have I just missed sites having added this "utility"?
 
2020-08-15 12:19:25 PM  
I'm pro-vaccine, but I think I'll skip this particular one.
 
2020-08-15 12:27:02 PM  

markie_farkie: PainInTheASP: PaulRB: I'll be first in line to take that vaccine that will surely work like a charm and not be a total joke.

Actually, I might take it when actual western scientists (Fauci would be good.) say it's OK.   Of course, that won't happen for at LEAST A YEAR, this is just to generate some oligarch cash.  Everybody calm down.

...but that won't stop Trump from buying 300,000,000 doses. And paying up front for them.

/This is Trump's attempt at an October Surprise.

Yeah, because why worry about the repercussions of taking medicine that hasn't even been through stage 3 trials or the required post inoculation monitoring to make sure we all don't die from some unanticipated side effect?


As I like to point out, the fastest vaccine created (from the beginning of a trial to completion) in the past was FOUR years (Measles).

Now, more investment in creating this COVID vaccine may speed up the process a bit (multiple trials having all at the same time), but I think it's still likely to be one and half to two years, which would make it June-December  of 2021.  I don't think having idiots (Trump, Putin) involved will speed up the process.
 
2020-08-15 12:36:09 PM  
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2020-08-15 12:36:53 PM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: I'm pro-vaccine, but I think I'll skip this particular one.


You don't have access to it. So, yes you will.
 
2020-08-15 12:38:24 PM  
I'll take the vaccine if Trump takes it first, live, on-air, with Dr. Fauci administering it.
 
2020-08-15 12:42:28 PM  

PaulRB: markie_farkie: PainInTheASP: PaulRB: I'll be first in line to take that vaccine that will surely work like a charm and not be a total joke.

Actually, I might take it when actual western scientists (Fauci would be good.) say it's OK.   Of course, that won't happen for at LEAST A YEAR, this is just to generate some oligarch cash.  Everybody calm down.

...but that won't stop Trump from buying 300,000,000 doses. And paying up front for them.

/This is Trump's attempt at an October Surprise.

Yeah, because why worry about the repercussions of taking medicine that hasn't even been through stage 3 trials or the required post inoculation monitoring to make sure we all don't die from some unanticipated side effect?

As I like to point out, the fastest vaccine created (from the beginning of a trial to completion) in the past was FOUR years (Measles).

Now, more investment in creating this COVID vaccine may speed up the process a bit (multiple trials having all at the same time), but I think it's still likely to be one and half to two years, which would make it June-December  of 2021.  I don't think having idiots (Trump, Putin) involved will speed up the process.


To be fair, the measles vaccine was also in 1963. Knowledge and techniques have advanced quite a bit since then to hopefully speed up development.  However even under the most realistic and optimistic scenarios getting a vaccine out in a year and a half would be an amazing achievement.  You just can't rush certain steps concerning safety and efficacy to make sure you are achieving the desired results.  Remember we are just 6 months (I know it seems longer) out from Covid-19 becoming a worldwide pandemic triggering the rush for a vaccine.
 
2020-08-15 12:43:06 PM  

PaulRB: markie_farkie: PainInTheASP: PaulRB: I'll be first in line to take that vaccine that will surely work like a charm and not be a total joke.

Actually, I might take it when actual western scientists (Fauci would be good.) say it's OK.   Of course, that won't happen for at LEAST A YEAR, this is just to generate some oligarch cash.  Everybody calm down.

...but that won't stop Trump from buying 300,000,000 doses. And paying up front for them.

/This is Trump's attempt at an October Surprise.

Yeah, because why worry about the repercussions of taking medicine that hasn't even been through stage 3 trials or the required post inoculation monitoring to make sure we all don't die from some unanticipated side effect?

As I like to point out, the fastest vaccine created (from the beginning of a trial to completion) in the past was FOUR years (Measles).

Now, more investment in creating this COVID vaccine may speed up the process a bit (multiple trials having all at the same time), but I think it's still likely to be one and half to two years, which would make it June-December  of 2021.  I don't think having idiots (Trump, Putin) involved will speed up the process.


There is a Danish one that might work.

Though, that is a modified flu vaccine, that has been 25 years underway.

All the same, it can go fast if you know what you're doing. Same people that came up with the "spatula test" in no time.

Danish standards are higher than Russian though, so it's only at "works on rats" stage.

But it could have been released based on the belief that it might work.
 
2020-08-15 12:44:47 PM  
Could you theoretically build a ladder to the moon, or is its orbit speed too great?
 
2020-08-15 12:48:04 PM  

kyleaugustus: [Fark user image 604x460]

This is the first site I've seen where if you highlight text it immediately gives a button for tweeting...  Is this something new on the inter-tubes or have I just missed sites having added this "utility"?


That appears to be a Times of India website feature. Seems like a good bit of web tech, too.
 
2020-08-15 12:50:05 PM  
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2020-08-15 12:59:25 PM  

Daedalus27: You just can't rush certain steps concerning safety and efficacy to make sure you are achieving the desired results.


One of the reasons it takes so long is that you need to wait for a significant fraction of the control group to catch the disease. If you happen to have a highly contagious disease washing over your country without any serious attempts to control it through other methods like quarantines, it might not take very long to reach that endpoint. If the vaccine also happens to be highly effective (e.g. 30% of the control group vs. only 1% of the treated group were infected after N months) then you might see a limited approval ahead of the original schedule for that phase of the trial.

On the safety side, if no major side effects are seen then it will be a judgment call as to when they have collected enough data to conclude that it's reasonably safe in the context of a global pandemic. A risk of 1 in 100,000 might be considered reasonable today even if it would have been unacceptable in normal times (e.g. balancing the vaccine's risk against a 1 in 10,000 chance of an average person suffering something even worse due to COVID).
 
2020-08-15 1:01:16 PM  

Flappyhead: Could you theoretically build a ladder to the moon, or is its orbit speed too great?


Our planet's rotational speed is too great (among other issues).

XKCD looked at a related question.
 
2020-08-15 1:05:28 PM  

PainInTheASP: ...but that won't stop Trump from buying 300,000,000 doses. And paying up front for them.


I'm sure he would if he could. If there's a supply of vaccine out there that could curb the death rate and end the demand for cyclical shutdowns then any world leader would beg kill or steal to get it.
Sudden peace deals and political realignments are suspect behavior when a handful of players have something the rest don't.

I'm not even that skeptical about whether Putins vaccine works.  I suspect Russia used the same technology that other states did to try and produce vaccines as quickly as they could. Many nations are already in full production in anticipation that they've got a viable thing. That was not the problem.
The problem was testing to insure the thing works and there's no side effects. Those that have made it to phase 3 are sticking thousands of test subjects as we speak. This is mainly a waiting game now.

Meaning the vaccines are probably save and probably effective enough, but proving it scientifically for a mass deployment cold take months to years. Time russia doesn't have, so Putin pulls the trigger first.
...Or Maybe China did that months ago because their falloff in death rate is quite curious indeed.

I don't think the west can linger far behind. Facui can drag his feet, but With a potential winter spike in fatalities looming and other nations ending their outbreaks we will be pushing the scientists along as quickly as we can.
No doubt quite a few people were happy to jump in on phase 3 and phase 4 will just be a study done after mass inoculation. I don't see a reason to doubt that Russia is at the same tipping point.
 
2020-08-15 1:08:18 PM  

Ivo Shandor: Flappyhead: Could you theoretically build a ladder to the moon, or is its orbit speed too great?

Our planet's rotational speed is too great (among other issues).

XKCD looked at a related question.


I'd start with a sky hook.
They science is there (kinda)
 
2020-08-15 1:21:14 PM  

Ivo Shandor: ne of the reasons it takes so long is that you need to wait for a significant fraction of the control group to catch the disease.


This is exactly why trials take years. The part where they make sure the vaccine isn't going to kill anybody or have bad side effects takes a few months at most. Then they inject volunteers and spend a couple of years waiting to see how many of them catch the disease and if antibodies remain present in their system.

The long trial period isn't to make sure it's not dangerous, it's to make sure it's effective.  So an unproven vaccine from any source, even Russia, is not likely to make you sick.  It's just that it might only work for 1 in 10 people or not work at all.  So I would have no reservations about taking it if it becomes widely available because by then we would know if it was killing people. Sure it might do as much for me as normal saline but the negative effects would be the same as any other vaccine.
 
2020-08-15 1:29:26 PM  
Second batch. Kim Jong Un made enough for his country in his kitchen back in March.
 
2020-08-15 1:32:38 PM  

Flappyhead: Could you theoretically build a ladder to the moon, or is its orbit speed too great?


Look up Isaac Arthur on his You Tube channel. There are many articles describing interesting stuff like that. Not only Isaac but several others. They cover many futuristic scenarios that are really, really cool. Issac puts out one (or more sometimes) a week. He's been doing it for years, and he has quite a catalog of subjects.

Seriously, they put a lot of thought and knowledge into what they do. I watch a new one every week. I'm not pretending I understand it all, but it is interesting.

If you're into Science Fiction or fact, look him up. There are many others, but Isaac is the first one that comes to mind.
 
2020-08-15 1:42:36 PM  
Popular misconception. It was actually a ladder to heaven.
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2020-08-15 1:54:46 PM  

scottydoesntknow: This is it. This is the rage virus/zombie outbreak scenario. They're gonna mass produce and send out. When they test on their own, it happens, the infected either die & rise, or just go berserk. But the Russian gov't suppresses what they can to keep it out. Trump buys millions of doses and is the first administered, on live TV to show it's "safe". He immediately turns and displays superhuman strength and unrepentant rage, bounding down the ramp toward reporters and allies alike, to rip them to shreds.

Those that survived immediately wrote about how agile and fit the President looked. His tone and demeanor seemed calmer, and he displayed true bipartisanship by murdering both sides without favoritism.


You had me right up to "bounding down the ramp."

There are some things even the most wilful suspension of disbelief can't get past.
 
2020-08-15 1:54:59 PM  
Right. I'm supposed to believe that the country that can never accomplish anything without stealing it and/or lying is the first to come up with a vaccine all on their own.
 
2020-08-15 2:00:09 PM  
One way to deal with all that leftover Chernobyl radioactive waste.
 
2020-08-15 2:15:54 PM  

Flappyhead: Could you theoretically build a ladder to the moon, or is its orbit speed too great?


The moon is not geosynchronous, it orbits around the earth at a greater-than-zero speed. So yes, its orbital speed is too great for a ladder to work.

The ladder would be nearly one and a quarter billion feet tall anyway.
 
2020-08-15 2:17:42 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: Bovine Diarrhea Virus: I'm pro-vaccine, but I think I'll skip this particular one.

You don't have access to it. So, yes you will.


Side note: Moderna is doing clinical trials in many large cities. You may get a placebo but I think it's worth a shot, no pun intended.

/got mine a couple weeks ago
//not a zombie yet but I do crave someone with brains so can't rule out
 
2020-08-15 2:40:20 PM  

Noah_Tall: Then they inject volunteers and spend a couple of years waiting to see how many of them catch the disease and if antibodies remain present in their system.


I was going to ask, how do they test a vaccine? Wouldn't they have to give the person the disease on purpose?
 
2020-08-15 2:41:31 PM  

WhatsSoGodDamnPunny: Ketchuponsteak: Bovine Diarrhea Virus: I'm pro-vaccine, but I think I'll skip this particular one.

You don't have access to it. So, yes you will.

Side note: Moderna is doing clinical trials in many large cities. You may get a placebo but I think it's worth a shot, no pun intended.

/got mine a couple weeks ago
//not a zombie yet but I do crave someone with brains so can't rule out



If you crave brains then you came to the wrong forum.

I'm just coming to the sad realization that we still need placebos because people are going to complain about made of side effects.

Patient: "My vision is blurry, I can't sleep, my back hurts, what the hell did you give me!?"
Doctor: "Saline..."
 
2020-08-15 2:49:07 PM  

Mugato: Noah_Tall: Then they inject volunteers and spend a couple of years waiting to see how many of them catch the disease and if antibodies remain present in their system.

I was going to ask, how do they test a vaccine? Wouldn't they have to give the person the disease on purpose?


I think the idea in the US at least is that many people will be exposed at some point. In the study I am in they said they will never inject us with the actual virus, they just want to know immediately if we feel we were exposed so they can monitor us afterwards.
 
2020-08-15 2:55:00 PM  

way south: WhatsSoGodDamnPunny: Ketchuponsteak: Bovine Diarrhea Virus: I'm pro-vaccine, but I think I'll skip this particular one.

You don't have access to it. So, yes you will.

Side note: Moderna is doing clinical trials in many large cities. You may get a placebo but I think it's worth a shot, no pun intended.

/got mine a couple weeks ago
//not a zombie yet but I do crave someone with brains so can't rule out


If you crave brains then you came to the wrong forum.

I'm just coming to the sad realization that we still need placebos because people are going to complain about made of side effects.

Patient: "My vision is blurry, I can't sleep, my back hurts, what the hell did you give me!?"
Doctor: "Saline..."


They definitely had placebos in our study and I agree they are probably necessary.

Regarding the brains, if you have seen some of the comment sections I have (such as Fox News and Ebaumsworld) your standards would be as low as mine. As far as I am concerned you're all goddang geniuses.
 
2020-08-15 3:04:19 PM  

PainInTheASP: PaulRB: I'll be first in line to take that vaccine that will surely work like a charm and not be a total joke.

Actually, I might take it when actual western scientists (Fauci would be good.) say it's OK.   Of course, that won't happen for at LEAST A YEAR, this is just to generate some oligarch cash.  Everybody calm down.

...but that won't stop Trump from buying 300,000,000 doses. And paying up front for them.

/This is Trump's attempt at an October Surprise.


My money is on this ''vaccine'' (heavy sarc) having a 50% likelihood of causing every  form of cancer known to humans. Even ones only found in non-human organisms. Like tree cancer.

It's gonna give people bark-growths.
 
2020-08-15 3:04:49 PM  

WhatsSoGodDamnPunny: /not a zombie yet but I do crave someone with brains so can't rule out


On a side note, what movie/TV shows do zombies actually eat brains? iZombie they did but that's all I can think of.
 
2020-08-15 3:09:41 PM  

ImpendingCynic: Right. I'm supposed to believe that the country that can never accomplish anything without stealing it and/or lying is the first to come up with a vaccine all on their own.


They did name it after Sputnik, which you know, they did first.
 
2020-08-15 3:14:47 PM  
I like my vaccines like I like my women; thoroughly tested for diseases.
 
2020-08-15 3:15:03 PM  
We inwented it.

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2020-08-15 3:15:43 PM  
After they cured Covid, the Russians invited your mom over for a spin on their helicopter.
 
2020-08-15 3:15:51 PM  

WhatsSoGodDamnPunny: Ketchuponsteak: Bovine Diarrhea Virus: I'm pro-vaccine, but I think I'll skip this particular one.

You don't have access to it. So, yes you will.

Side note: Moderna is doing clinical trials in many large cities. You may get a placebo but I think it's worth a shot, no pun intended.

/got mine a couple weeks ago
//not a zombie yet but I do crave someone with brains so can't rule out


I already had Covid, though whether that makes me immune, fuvk knows.

With so many actors having clinical trials, I don't really see why Russia didn't just skip that step.

For all we know, given their limited capacity, half might be placebo, thus actually doing the same thing.
 
2020-08-15 3:18:50 PM  

WhatsSoGodDamnPunny: Mugato: Noah_Tall: Then they inject volunteers and spend a couple of years waiting to see how many of them catch the disease and if antibodies remain present in their system.

I was going to ask, how do they test a vaccine? Wouldn't they have to give the person the disease on purpose?

I think the idea in the US at least is that many people will be exposed at some point. In the study I am in they said they will never inject us with the actual virus, they just want to know immediately if we feel we were exposed so they can monitor us afterwards.


You can test if people have antibodies.
 
2020-08-15 3:20:40 PM  

Smoking GNU: PainInTheASP: PaulRB: I'll be first in line to take that vaccine that will surely work like a charm and not be a total joke.

Actually, I might take it when actual western scientists (Fauci would be good.) say it's OK.   Of course, that won't happen for at LEAST A YEAR, this is just to generate some oligarch cash.  Everybody calm down.

...but that won't stop Trump from buying 300,000,000 doses. And paying up front for them.

/This is Trump's attempt at an October Surprise.

My money is on this ''vaccine'' (heavy sarc) having a 50% likelihood of causing every  form of cancer known to humans. Even ones only found in non-human organisms. Like tree cancer.

It's gonna give people bark-growths.


Yes I get you have to say bullshiat about Russia.

But, why?

Because your nation is getting owned by them?
 
2020-08-15 3:25:44 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: I already had Covid, though whether that makes me immune, fuvk knows.


Let's see, it's 3:25 so right now they're saying it doesn't make you immune. At 3:26 they might change their minds.
 
2020-08-15 3:31:23 PM  
You gotta love the irony of the headline.... it was the Ruskies making something up about the moon to make US look bad, am i rite?
 
2020-08-15 3:32:57 PM  
Farkers:   Vaccines are good!
Also Farkers:   Vaccines are bad if they come from Russia because Putin prefers Trump in office over Hillary.
 
2020-08-15 3:33:33 PM  

Flappyhead: Could you theoretically build a ladder to the moon, or is its orbit speed too great?


Its orbit speed is too little. The moon orbits once every 27 days while the Earth rotates once a day.

It would also be very difficult to build a ladder that could stand up to Earth's gravity, atmosphere, and geology. However, you could probably make a ladder partway from the moon.
 
2020-08-15 3:38:05 PM  

T.rex: Farkers:   Vaccines are good!
Also Farkers:   Vaccines are bad if they come from Russia because Putin prefers Trump in office over Hillary.


Or maybe it's just too damn fast to make an actual effective vaccine with no side effects for a novel virus, especially a coronavirus. This has been covered numerous times before on previous fark threads.

Either this shiat from russia is fake to placate their populace and for some imagined win over the rest of the world, or it's an actual attempted vaccine absolutely rushed beyond any bounds of sanity and will cause far more damage than any good it might do.
 
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