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2020-08-14 8:12:53 PM  
"Hartman said, 'Well, you can either take off your mask, or you can go home,'" the employee witnessing the exchange recalled. "He threw him out of the meeting in front of about 25 people, and it was very embarrassing and very humiliating."


Fark that noise, I'm old enough to realize what matters, and if some asshole pulled this shiat on me I would not be the one embarrassed, or humiliated, but it would be very farking loud.
 
2020-08-14 10:15:56 PM  
One of the covid positive employees needs to knock this guy down and spit in his mouth on their way out the door.
 
2020-08-14 10:17:08 PM  
There has to be some OSHA standard he disregarded to make him liable for his employees' sickness so he can get sued in to oblivion.
 
2020-08-14 10:19:31 PM  
Don't forget John Cornyn (R-eal big asshole from TX) that put the liability protection in there too:

https://www.latimes.com/business/stor​y​/2020-07-29/covid-employer-liability
 
2020-08-14 10:19:40 PM  
We didn't even get to start the meeting, and Al looked directly at him and said, 'Take off your mask,'" said one employee, who - like all four others interviewed for this story - asked to remain anonymous for fear of retaliation.

Um, If the boss reads that story I don't think it would take much for him to determine exactly which employee that was referring to.
 
2020-08-14 10:20:38 PM  
The evil cruel stupidity is the point.
 
2020-08-14 10:22:40 PM  
Actually, disregard my last thing.  I misread part of the sentence.
 
2020-08-14 10:22:46 PM  
This is what their worldview is: brutally enforcing the lifestyles of their employees. They not only want to force you to attend church, but you must attend THEIR church. If you're a Seventh Day Adventist or Eastern Orthodox or Unitarian, you might as well be Muslim as far as they're concerned.
 
2020-08-14 10:23:46 PM  

C18H27NO3: We didn't even get to start the meeting, and Al looked directly at him and said, 'Take off your mask,'" said one employee, who - like all four others interviewed for this story - asked to remain anonymous for fear of retaliation.

Um, If the boss reads that story I don't think it would take much for him to determine exactly which employee that was referring to.


I think it was one of the other 25 people, not the one getting thrown out.

/If it was that one, and he thinks he'll remain anonymous anyway...
//On the other hand, it's entirely possible the boss doesn't remember who he threw out
///And hopefully no one rats out the employee.
 
2020-08-14 10:23:56 PM  
I don't understand why there haven't been lawsuits filed already. This seems like clearly actionable conduct.
 
2020-08-14 10:24:50 PM  
The part that worries me is that I'm downright certain that businesses will be given a pass on this. Why? Because they have money. That's literally it.
 
2020-08-14 10:30:11 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: One of the covid positive employees needs to knock this guy down and spit in his mouth on their way out the door.


Manage by intimidation. Absolutely shameful.
But, the economy...
TREAT HUMANS LIKE HUMANS!
 
2020-08-14 10:32:49 PM  

Nullav: The part that worries me is that I'm downright certain that businesses will be given a pass on this. Why? Because they have money. That's literally it.


It should be 100% covered under the employers workmans comp policy. Their sickness is work related if that is proven where they caught it.

However this is in texas right? I won't be surprised if texass didn't require workers comp insurance. Plus a good attorney for the employer is going to call it an act of God, because texass is texass, and these employees will end up fired for being sick too long, so the company was forced to hire someone else. Oh and they'll be sure to immediately cancel any health insurance they may get too.
 
2020-08-14 10:34:33 PM  

1funguy: Barricaded Gunman: One of the covid positive employees needs to knock this guy down and spit in his mouth on their way out the door.

Manage by intimidation. Absolutely shameful.
But, the economy...
TREAT HUMANS LIKE HUMANS!


To executives, employees aren't people. They're 'human capital'; nothing more than a resource and some numbers on a spreadsheet.
 
2020-08-14 10:36:29 PM  

Summoner101: There has to be some OSHA standard he disregarded to make him liable for his employees' sickness so he can get sued in to oblivion.


I have a feeling what we're reading here is the result of pretrial discovery.

fark him to the poorhouse, and then make him sew masks at piece rates.
 
2020-08-14 10:37:02 PM  

suebhoney: Nullav: The part that worries me is that I'm downright certain that businesses will be given a pass on this. Why? Because they have money. That's literally it.

It should be 100% covered under the employers workmans comp policy. Their sickness is work related if that is proven where they caught it.

However this is in texas right? I won't be surprised if texass didn't require workers comp insurance. Plus a good attorney for the employer is going to call it an act of God, because texass is texass, and these employees will end up fired for being sick too long, so the company was forced to hire someone else. Oh and they'll be sure to immediately cancel any health insurance they may get too.


TX totally requires WC coverage.  Problem in calling this a WC claim comes with saying the infection is solely traceable to the employer.  This is going to keep WC lawyers and insurers running around for at least a decade.
 
2020-08-14 10:37:04 PM  

suebhoney: Nullav: The part that worries me is that I'm downright certain that businesses will be given a pass on this. Why? Because they have money. That's literally it.

It should be 100% covered under the employers workmans comp policy. Their sickness is work related if that is proven where they caught it.

However this is in texas right? I won't be surprised if texass didn't require workers comp insurance. Plus a good attorney for the employer is going to call it an act of God, because texass is texass, and these employees will end up fired for being sick too long, so the company was forced to hire someone else. Oh and they'll be sure to immediately cancel any health insurance they may get too.


It's Texas, you don't have to fire them for missing too much work. You can fire anyone for any reason at any time.
 
2020-08-14 10:43:01 PM  
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Why hasn't someone punched this farkhead in his farking enormous forehead?
 
2020-08-14 10:45:15 PM  

C18H27NO3: We didn't even get to start the meeting, and Al looked directly at him and said, 'Take off your mask,'" said one employee, who - like all four others interviewed for this story - asked to remain anonymous for fear of retaliation.

Um, If the boss reads that story I don't think it would take much for him to determine exactly which employee that was referring to.


I mean, the guy is a Covid conspiracy theorist. He may not be the sharpest tool in the shed
 
2020-08-14 10:46:43 PM  

holdmybones: [img.buzzfeed.com image 300x300]
Why hasn't someone punched this farkhead in his farking enormous forehead?


I'd rather he be facedown sucking on a ventilator, painfully breathing.

If COVID was as smart, it would mutate to take down the stupid and assholes.
 
2020-08-14 10:46:51 PM  
Just imagine how pathetic and insecure about your world views you have to be where you can't just disagree to wear a mask (Which makes you a colossal jerkarse to begin with) but to take it so far you have to threaten and intimidate people in an attempt to make them take it off.

Just imagine.
 
2020-08-14 10:49:27 PM  

holdmybones: [img.buzzfeed.com image 300x300]
Why hasn't someone punched this farkhead in his farking enormous forehead?


That's at least a fivehead.
 
2020-08-14 10:49:36 PM  
Just for once I'd like to see a story about the whining, tantrums and butthurt involved in getting a dozen employees to wear masks in an office. The Farking amount of times this last week I've herd the prezidunt duzen't wear one, or meh fredumbz, my body my rights. Apparently I'm such a dumb libby lib boss, that my employees think I'm an @$$4013 because I'd prefer that my employees don't all get sick and die 😷 JFC August has been a long long decade already.
 
2020-08-14 10:49:47 PM  

holdmybones: [img.buzzfeed.com image 300x300]
Why hasn't someone punched this farkhead in his farking enormous forehead?


I'll let someone else break all their fingers trying to put their fist through that slab of granite.
 
2020-08-14 10:56:13 PM  
Do we like, not have health inspectors anymore?
 
2020-08-14 10:59:09 PM  
This guy is a lawsuit waiting to happen.
 
2020-08-14 11:02:59 PM  

holdmybones: [img.buzzfeed.com image 300x300]
Why hasn't someone punched this farkhead in his farking enormous forehead?

With a face like that, he was fit only for non-consenting interspecies erotica.


"Non-....wha?"

Animal rape, jook. He was only capable of raping animals.

"Raping animals? In TEXAS? *long slow whistle* Boy howdy, those conservatives in Texas are truly peculiar!"

And they hate masks, jook. They need to see the mouths of humans agape as humans realize their depravity. Nothing excited them more, jook. Nothing!
 
2020-08-14 11:06:17 PM  
Wow, facemasks are a good idea. Who would have guessed 3 or 4 months ago and not face universal condemnation from other farkers?
 
2020-08-14 11:06:28 PM  

HerptheDerp: Do we like, not have health inspectors anymore?


Not since OSHA was gutted, no.
 
2020-08-14 11:07:55 PM  

wax_on: I don't understand why there haven't been lawsuits filed already. This seems like clearly actionable conduct.


Maybe in the Before Times.
 
2020-08-14 11:18:20 PM  
I'm all for limited liability protection. Follow all applicable guidelines and recommendations from CDC and you're protected. But if we do that then we add a stick to the carrot. If you don't follow guidelines than you are liable for up to triple damages and a daily fine for as long as you're out of compliance.

Protect businesses that are doing the right thing and punish the ones that aren't.
 
2020-08-14 11:19:47 PM  
It's Texas.  Why didn't an employee just shoot the bastard?
 
2020-08-14 11:26:01 PM  
Holy crap. Definitely take the time to RTFA here; this company is a slow motion train wreck in progress. The mask thing is only the tip of the ice berg; this CEO is one of those people that would be rejected as too comically unrealistic if you were to write him as a character in a novel.

Sucks to be the employees who are afraid of not being able to find a new job right now if they quit.
 
2020-08-14 11:26:32 PM  
decrying the use of face masks, minimizing the seriousness of the coronavirus, and even encouraging staff to protect themselves from the virus by taking a drug that has not been tested or recommended by mainstream health experts.

Sounds like a Trumper cultist.
 
2020-08-14 11:27:05 PM  

NM Volunteer: It's Texas.  Why didn't an employee just shoot the bastard?


If I were on the jury it would be a clear case of self defense.
 
2020-08-14 11:28:10 PM  
Sorry y'all. If you survive, maybe get a less shiatty employer.
 
2020-08-14 11:28:15 PM  

fusillade762: decrying the use of face masks, minimizing the seriousness of the coronavirus, and even encouraging staff to protect themselves from the virus by taking a drug that has not been tested or recommended by mainstream health experts.

Sounds like a Trumper cultist.


This.

Also, I was surprised it wasn't hydroxychloroquine.
 
2020-08-14 11:32:20 PM  
Still, Hartman claimed, "the company does not prohibit persons from wearing a mask,"

The subtext here is that this is Hartman's own initiative, which means that he is not covered by any corporate immunity.

If the Turtle wants to stop companies being liable, then the above quote shows a loophole. Employees should sue this asshole PERSONALLY for damages.
 
2020-08-14 11:41:17 PM  

C18H27NO3: Actually, disregard my last thing.  I misread part of the sentence.


You aren't too far off. That prick is obviously trying to make other people join his death cult.
 
2020-08-14 11:47:11 PM  
REEEEEEEEEEIT
 
2020-08-14 11:53:51 PM  
His liability waver would have only been if reasonable attempts to provide a safe workplace.  This case is easily not that.   If you need to lie to score political points... You might be a Trump, submitter.
 
2020-08-15 12:01:49 AM  
You all should self-reflect about what you were saying about mask usage a couple of months ago.  I was basically accused of being a Nazi trying to kill people for suggesting their use.
 
2020-08-15 12:11:21 AM  

holdmybones: [img.buzzfeed.com image 300x300]
Why hasn't someone punched this farkhead in his farking enormous forehead?


Because you guys haven't bought me a plane ticket to Texas yet.
 
2020-08-15 12:13:41 AM  

SoundOfOneHandWanking: "Hartman said, 'Well, you can either take off your mask, or you can go home,'" the employee witnessing the exchange recalled. "He threw him out of the meeting in front of about 25 people, and it was very embarrassing and very humiliating."


Fark that noise, I'm old enough to realize what matters, and if some asshole pulled this shiat on me I would not be the one embarrassed, or humiliated, but it would be very farking loud.


The person this big macho man tore into was 20.  I dunno about you at 20, but  I know for myself in a room where you are the youngest - likely by far - at 20 years old, it is a pretty small feeling to be torn into like that. Especially when all your colleagues fear speaking out to support you lest they also be humiliated &/or fired.
 
2020-08-15 12:19:41 AM  
Conservatives: wearing a mask is a choice, and I choose not to.
Also Conservatives: I forbid you to wear a mask if you work for me.
 
2020-08-15 12:30:59 AM  

SoundOfOneHandWanking: "Hartman said, 'Well, you can either take off your mask, or you can go home,'" the employee witnessing the exchange recalled. "He threw him out of the meeting in front of about 25 people, and it was very embarrassing and very humiliating."


Fark that noise, I'm old enough to realize what matters, and if some asshole pulled this shiat on me I would not be the one embarrassed, or humiliated, but it would be very farking loud.


Me too. And I bet that I'd get unemployment here(Utah) , where you can't get it if you quit... And if you get fired for cause, it's next to impossible, too. But you could tell this story to the arbitrator, and you'd definitely have a case.

Speaking of which, I have a friend who's a pretty good lawyer. Quit or get fired, I bet she'd be able to sure the fark out of someone like this.
 
2020-08-15 12:31:30 AM  
Holy shiat! This is right across the street from my neighborhood!

I thought the building always looked shady.
 
2020-08-15 12:37:15 AM  

LordJiro: 1funguy: Barricaded Gunman: One of the covid positive employees needs to knock this guy down and spit in his mouth on their way out the door.

Manage by intimidation. Absolutely shameful.
But, the economy...
TREAT HUMANS LIKE HUMANS!

To executives, employees aren't people. They're 'human chattel capital'; nothing more than a resource and some numbers on a spreadsheet.


FTFY
 
2020-08-15 1:37:12 AM  

doceajensen: Don't forget John Cornyn (R-eal big asshole from TX) that put the liability protection in there too:

https://www.latimes.com/business/story​/2020-07-29/covid-employer-liability


MJ Hegar is running to unseat Cornyn.  She won her primary.

Cornyn is favored to win, but Hegar has a chance, and she has a great resumé.
 
2020-08-15 1:37:25 AM  
Vader:  Luke, help me take this mask off.

Luke:  But you'll die!

Vader:  I HAVE RIGHTS!!!
 
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