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2020-08-14 2:30:55 PM  
23 votes:

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: croesius: Naw subby, you got it all backwards

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That's a very stupid contraption.


You obviously haven't seen that guy's youtube channel.  His whole thing is very stupid contraptions.
 
2020-08-14 2:32:19 PM  
17 votes:

ShavedOrangutan: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: croesius: Naw subby, you got it all backwards

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That's a very stupid contraption.

You obviously haven't seen that guy's youtube channel.  His whole thing is very stupid contraptions.


Another correction:  His whole thing is very well-made, stupid contraptions.
 
2020-08-14 2:21:34 PM  
12 votes:
Naw subby, you got it all backwards

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2020-08-14 5:13:06 PM  
11 votes:

whitroth: Gee, maybe in Canada, the cops *don't* shoot to kill, and know that the country's not a free fire zone?


There is no such thing as shooting to wound.  All shots are to kill.  You're spouting hollywoo bullshiat that shows you know nothing of the real world.
 
2020-08-14 2:56:47 PM  
10 votes:
The bullets don't go in the machete, the machetes come out of the gun.

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2020-08-14 3:12:48 PM  
9 votes:
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2020-08-14 2:28:29 PM  
9 votes:

croesius: Naw subby, you got it all backwards

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That's a very stupid contraption.
 
2020-08-14 3:46:18 PM  
7 votes:

RussianPotato: This is another, of many, examples as to why you need a "high capacity" magazine for a firearm.

Kid was shot 3-4 times and wasn't fazed at all.  He kept coming at the officer.  Officer fired another volley and hit the kid around 1-2 more times.  Sounds like the cop fired around 10 shots total.  And that's not even bad marksmanship.  A handgun is not an accurate weapon.  Firing around 10 times and hitting 5 times is pretty good for a moving target.

10 shots to incapacitate a single individual.  Imagine if there had been more attackers.


While nothing you said is factually wrong, you have made the mistake of saying it on Fark. Saying words which can be characterized by a motivated observer as not actively anti-gun are not acceptable on this premises.  Please remain where you are while the WhidbeySquad finalizes the location of your account for termination.
 
2020-08-14 3:10:43 PM  
7 votes:
This is another, of many, examples as to why you need a "high capacity" magazine for a firearm.

Kid was shot 3-4 times and wasn't fazed at all.  He kept coming at the officer.  Officer fired another volley and hit the kid around 1-2 more times.  Sounds like the cop fired around 10 shots total.  And that's not even bad marksmanship.  A handgun is not an accurate weapon.  Firing around 10 times and hitting 5 times is pretty good for a moving target.

10 shots to incapacitate a single individual.  Imagine if there had been more attackers.
 
2020-08-14 4:27:03 PM  
6 votes:

Moroning: Maybe the cop should be investigated for being such a poor shot.  five bullets, and the perp is still alive.  You suck at shooting.


You've never shot a gun, have you?
 
2020-08-14 2:54:18 PM  
6 votes:
Yeah come at somebody wielding a machete and I'm not going to ne too upset if you get shot. "He bringa a machete, you bring a gun. THAT'S the Winnipeg way..."
 
2020-08-14 4:13:24 PM  
5 votes:
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2020-08-14 3:37:07 PM  
5 votes:
CBC has a story with a video of the shooting here.

You can see just how close this kid got to the officer before the cop resorted to lethal force it says a lot for the quality of the officers involved that they gave him every opportunity before shooting him.
 
2020-08-14 6:31:37 PM  
4 votes:

whitroth: RussianPotato: whitroth: Gee, maybe in Canada, the cops *don't* shoot to kill, and know that the country's not a free fire zone?

There is no such thing as shooting to wound.  All shots are to kill.  You're spouting hollywoo bullshiat that shows you know nothing of the real world.

So, no one ever shoots at a leg? They always shoot to kill?

Then why do cops have guns, since they are not Judge Dread or the Spanish Inquisition, to condemn someone who hasn't even been tried to death?


Technically all shots should be to center mass  as the most effective means to neutralize the threat. The dying part is just the unfortunate side effect of being shot center mass.
 
2020-08-14 4:47:31 PM  
4 votes:
This is the 7/11 closest to my home in Winnipeg. Can't tell you how many times I've had to deek out young muggers hanging out around this place on my way home after the bar. Thankfully, today's hoodlums aren't as streetwise as us ol'dogs. Sadly, there's a red light district across the street, with a corner that numerous women have gone missing from.

Just FYI - I love Winnipeg. It hits above its weight, culturally, a small city with a ballet, symphony, numerous play houses and a good live music scene. You can also access pretty much every vice available in larger city centers. I enjoy a city where there's the potential to be stabbed. It makes for a more interesting Friday night!
 
2020-08-14 3:57:17 PM  
4 votes:

FightDirector: RussianPotato: This is another, of many, examples as to why you need a "high capacity" magazine for a firearm.

Kid was shot 3-4 times and wasn't fazed at all.  He kept coming at the officer.  Officer fired another volley and hit the kid around 1-2 more times.  Sounds like the cop fired around 10 shots total.  And that's not even bad marksmanship.  A handgun is not an accurate weapon.  Firing around 10 times and hitting 5 times is pretty good for a moving target.

10 shots to incapacitate a single individual.  Imagine if there had been more attackers.

While nothing you said is factually wrong, you have made the mistake of saying it on Fark. Saying words which can be characterized by a motivated observer as not actively anti-gun are not acceptable on this premises.  Please remain where you are while the WhidbeySquad finalizes the location of your account for termination.


how about high-capacity sasumatas?

Chinese man wielding a huge knife is disarmed by a group using sasumata poles
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2020-08-14 3:09:52 PM  
4 votes:
That's why you should always go with rocket powered chainsaw launchers :P

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2020-08-14 8:15:41 PM  
3 votes:

big pig peaches: whitroth: RussianPotato: whitroth: Gee, maybe in Canada, the cops *don't* shoot to kill, and know that the country's not a free fire zone?

There is no such thing as shooting to wound.  All shots are to kill.  You're spouting hollywoo bullshiat that shows you know nothing of the real world.

So, no one ever shoots at a leg? They always shoot to kill?

Then why do cops have guns, since they are not Judge Dread or the Spanish Inquisition, to condemn someone who hasn't even been tried to death?

Technically all shots should be to center mass  as the most effective means to neutralize the threat. The dying part is just the unfortunate side effect of being shot center mass.


Guns don't kill people.

Kinetic shock and blood loss do.
 
2020-08-14 8:15:06 PM  
3 votes:

whitroth: RussianPotato: whitroth: Gee, maybe in Canada, the cops *don't* shoot to kill, and know that the country's not a free fire zone?

There is no such thing as shooting to wound.  All shots are to kill.  You're spouting hollywoo bullshiat that shows you know nothing of the real world.

So, no one ever shoots at a leg? They always shoot to kill?

Then why do cops have guns, since they are not Judge Dread or the Spanish Inquisition, to condemn someone who hasn't even been tried to death?


Have you ever fired a gun?

Shooting at center mass on a moving target with a pistol without having the time to properly in and concentrate is much harder than calmly shooting at center mass on a target.

Trying to shoot the leg of a moving target in the blink of an eye with a 50% success rate would require Olympic level skill.
 
2020-08-14 6:30:22 PM  
3 votes:

whitroth: RussianPotato: whitroth: Gee, maybe in Canada, the cops *don't* shoot to kill, and know that the country's not a free fire zone?

There is no such thing as shooting to wound.  All shots are to kill.  You're spouting hollywoo bullshiat that shows you know nothing of the real world.

So, no one ever shoots at a leg? They always shoot to kill?

Then why do cops have guns, since they are not Judge Dread or the Spanish Inquisition, to condemn someone who hasn't even been tried to death?


Shooting a gun at someone is using lethal force. In other words, at best it's attempted murder. Unless it's legally justifiable. In order for it to be self-defense, and therefore lawful, it has to be a situation warranting the use of lethal force. The is no legal justification for wounding someone.

So if your shooting at someone, you are by definition trying to kill them. If you are trying to kill them, you better have a damn good reason.

And leg wounds can be just as fatal as chest wounds.
 
2020-08-14 6:13:35 PM  
3 votes:

whitroth: Gee, maybe in Canada, the cops *don't* shoot to kill, and know that the country's not a free fire zone?


If your shooting a gun at someone, you are shooting to kill. At least, you better be.

In any country.
 
2020-08-14 3:36:36 PM  
3 votes:
Cops should shoot more criminals.
 
2020-08-14 3:18:13 PM  
3 votes:
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2020-08-14 2:53:50 PM  
3 votes:
I dunno man.  He looks pretty lethal to me.
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2020-08-14 2:33:38 PM  
3 votes:

SansNeural: ShavedOrangutan: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: croesius: Naw subby, you got it all backwards

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That's a very stupid contraption.

You obviously haven't seen that guy's youtube channel.  His whole thing is very stupid contraptions.

Another correction:  His whole thing is very well-made, stupid contraptions.


I don't question his craftsmanship, only judgement
 
2020-08-14 8:15:05 PM  
2 votes:
Shooting to wound is a good way to die in action.
 
2020-08-14 8:11:10 PM  
2 votes:

RussianPotato: whitroth: Gee, maybe in Canada, the cops *don't* shoot to kill, and know that the country's not a free fire zone?

There is no such thing as shooting to wound.  All shots are to kill.  You're spouting hollywoo bullshiat that shows you know nothing of the real world.


More to the point, shooting to wound means you are more likely to miss, and endanger innocent people.
 
2020-08-14 7:42:39 PM  
2 votes:

whitroth: RussianPotato: whitroth: Gee, maybe in Canada, the cops *don't* shoot to kill, and know that the country's not a free fire zone?

There is no such thing as shooting to wound.  All shots are to kill.  You're spouting hollywoo bullshiat that shows you know nothing of the real world.

So, no one ever shoots at a leg? They always shoot to kill?

Then why do cops have guns, since they are not Judge Dread or the Spanish Inquisition, to condemn someone who hasn't even been tried to death?


Um the femoral artery is in the leg. Hit that and they are dead pretty damn quick and it isnt that hard to hit.
They aim center mass as it is the biggest widest target and least likely to miss.
 
2020-08-14 7:39:37 PM  
2 votes:

whitroth: Gee, maybe in Canada, the cops *don't* shoot to kill, and know that the country's not a free fire zone?


Cops in Canada like the US shoot until whatever they are shooting goes down and stays down
 
2020-08-14 7:37:59 PM  
2 votes:

Moroning: Maybe the cop should be investigated for being such a poor shot.  five bullets, and the perp is still alive.  You suck at shooting.


Shot a pistol before?
Ever shot one under stress?
Most cops especially up here treat guns as tools. They shoot them enough to qualify and thats thats it. (Accurate) pistol shooting is a skill that isnt like riding a bike. If you dont keep doing it the skill degrades.

There was a case in Kingston Ontario where a cop ended up having to shoot someone but he ended up shooting him in the legs. Why? He flinched under stress. The phrase "down and to the left" has relevance
 
2020-08-14 5:12:25 PM  
2 votes:

RussianPotato: This is another, of many, examples as to why you need a "high capacity" magazine for a firearm.

Kid was shot 3-4 times and wasn't fazed at all.  He kept coming at the officer.  Officer fired another volley and hit the kid around 1-2 more times.  Sounds like the cop fired around 10 shots total.  And that's not even bad marksmanship.  A handgun is not an accurate weapon.  Firing around 10 times and hitting 5 times is pretty good for a moving target.

10 shots to incapacitate a single individual.  Imagine if there had been more attackers.


that was why the colt 1911 came about
 
2020-08-14 5:03:36 PM  
2 votes:

RussianPotato: This is another, of many, examples as to why you need a "high capacity" magazine for a firearm.

Kid was shot 3-4 times and wasn't fazed at all.  He kept coming at the officer.  Officer fired another volley and hit the kid around 1-2 more times.  Sounds like the cop fired around 10 shots total.  And that's not even bad marksmanship.  A handgun is not an accurate weapon.  Firing around 10 times and hitting 5 times is pretty good for a moving target.

10 shots to incapacitate a single individual.  Imagine if there had been more attackers.


What do you do after you've been shot with a pistol?

Typically the same thing you were doing before, except you are in pain, angry, and the adrenaline is flowing.

Unless you get a straight up killing shot, multiple rounds are usually be necessary to stop someone. Especially if certain drugs are involved.

Contrast this to a rifle or shotgun, both of which have enough power to kill someone with a single shot most of the time.
 
2020-08-14 3:43:37 PM  
2 votes:
Teenagers as a rule are stupid about the real world
 
2020-08-15 6:26:59 PM  
1 vote:

face bacon: rikkards: whitroth: Gee, maybe in Canada, the cops *don't* shoot to kill, and know that the country's not a free fire zone?

Cops in Canada like the US shoot until whatever they are shooting goes down and stays down

Not true.  We shoot to stop the threat.


Tomayto tomahto
 
2020-08-14 9:49:31 PM  
1 vote:

Ursa Minor: This is the 7/11 closest to my home in Winnipeg. Can't tell you how many times I've had to deek out young muggers hanging out around this place on my way home after the bar. Thankfully, today's hoodlums aren't as streetwise as us ol'dogs. Sadly, there's a red light district across the street, with a corner that numerous women have gone missing from.

Just FYI - I love Winnipeg. It hits above its weight, culturally, a small city with a ballet, symphony, numerous play houses and a good live music scene. You can also access pretty much every vice available in larger city centers. I enjoy a city where there's the potential to be stabbed. It makes for a more interesting Friday night!


Do you still have the planetarium? Good memories of that from a long time ago. There aren't enough planetariums.
 
2020-08-14 8:56:52 PM  
1 vote:

FightDirector: RussianPotato: This is another, of many, examples as to why you need a "high capacity" magazine for a firearm.

Kid was shot 3-4 times and wasn't fazed at all.  He kept coming at the officer.  Officer fired another volley and hit the kid around 1-2 more times.  Sounds like the cop fired around 10 shots total.  And that's not even bad marksmanship.  A handgun is not an accurate weapon.  Firing around 10 times and hitting 5 times is pretty good for a moving target.

10 shots to incapacitate a single individual.  Imagine if there had been more attackers.

While nothing you said is factually wrong, you have made the mistake of saying it on Fark. Saying words which can be characterized by a motivated observer as not actively anti-gun are not acceptable on this premises.  Please remain where you are while the WhidbeySquad finalizes the location of your account for termination.


Not to worry! The "Whidbeysquad" just blocks posts like this so they don't have to see them.  Dissenting opinions cannot be tolerated so they whitewash posters. Kind of their philosophy for the world. Banish any view that doesn't fit the current agenda. It's called Liberal Utopia. George Orwell would be proud!
 
2020-08-14 7:04:35 PM  
1 vote:

whitroth: Oh, come on. In the thread, what, yesterday, people were saying it was not a big deal to hit a helicopter 1000 feet up.

If you can hit that, you can't get someone's leg at close range?

Great shots, I guess.


What are you talking about? This officer apparently hit his target. You don't shot at someone's leg.
 
2020-08-14 6:06:14 PM  
1 vote:

Herr Flick's Revenge: spleef420: Fara Clark: RussianPotato: This is another, of many, examples as to why you need a "high capacity" magazine for a firearm.

Kid was shot 3-4 times and wasn't fazed at all.  He kept coming at the officer.  Officer fired another volley and hit the kid around 1-2 more times.  Sounds like the cop fired around 10 shots total.  And that's not even bad marksmanship.  A handgun is not an accurate weapon.  Firing around 10 times and hitting 5 times is pretty good for a moving target.

10 shots to incapacitate a single individual.  Imagine if there had been more attackers.

that was why the colt 1911 came about

The magazine in the 1911 my dad used to own only held 8 rounds.

5 shots, shiats, none fatal. This cop is either a surgeon or the worst shot in history.

"The officer fired four to five shots, but the teen kept walking in his direction, the report said. The officer fired another round and the teen fell against a wall."
Reading is hard.
He fired six shots, five hit.


Stupid 9mm. Next one I'm getting is gonna be a .38, M&P compact is definitely the loudest 9mm I ever owned or shot. But easy conceal.

But he isn't wrong. A .45 will drop someone pretty quickly. Love 1911's. Don't care what you're on or how tweaked out you are. A .45 will drop em pretty quick.

/just had a tweaker surprise me first thing in the morning, in the jobsite dumpster.

//Pretty sure he passed out in there and jumped up when he came to and realized we were throwing sharp metal into the dumpster.

///"I'm just looking for wire man!"
 
2020-08-14 4:58:07 PM  
1 vote:
Gee, maybe in Canada, the cops *don't* shoot to kill, and know that the country's not a free fire zone?
 
2020-08-14 4:31:37 PM  
1 vote:

Not_Todd: Moroning: Maybe the cop should be investigated for being such a poor shot.  five bullets, and the perp is still alive.  You suck at shooting.

You've never shot a gun, have you?


Not to mention that a high stress situation is taking place.
 
2020-08-14 3:59:22 PM  
1 vote:
Maybe the cop should be investigated for being such a poor shot.  five bullets, and the perp is still alive.  You suck at shooting.
 
2020-08-14 3:11:32 PM  
1 vote:
But he was peacefully making a withdrawal from the convenience store!
 
2020-08-14 2:54:26 PM  
1 vote:
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