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2020-08-14 5:03:36 PM  

RussianPotato: This is another, of many, examples as to why you need a "high capacity" magazine for a firearm.

Kid was shot 3-4 times and wasn't fazed at all.  He kept coming at the officer.  Officer fired another volley and hit the kid around 1-2 more times.  Sounds like the cop fired around 10 shots total.  And that's not even bad marksmanship.  A handgun is not an accurate weapon.  Firing around 10 times and hitting 5 times is pretty good for a moving target.

10 shots to incapacitate a single individual.  Imagine if there had been more attackers.


What do you do after you've been shot with a pistol?

Typically the same thing you were doing before, except you are in pain, angry, and the adrenaline is flowing.

Unless you get a straight up killing shot, multiple rounds are usually be necessary to stop someone. Especially if certain drugs are involved.

Contrast this to a rifle or shotgun, both of which have enough power to kill someone with a single shot most of the time.
 
2020-08-14 5:04:51 PM  

RTOGUY: CBC has a story with a video of the shooting here.

You can see just how close this kid got to the officer before the cop resorted to lethal force it says a lot for the quality of the officers involved that they gave him every opportunity before shooting him.


Looks like he's not French Canadian
 
2020-08-14 5:12:25 PM  

RussianPotato: This is another, of many, examples as to why you need a "high capacity" magazine for a firearm.

Kid was shot 3-4 times and wasn't fazed at all.  He kept coming at the officer.  Officer fired another volley and hit the kid around 1-2 more times.  Sounds like the cop fired around 10 shots total.  And that's not even bad marksmanship.  A handgun is not an accurate weapon.  Firing around 10 times and hitting 5 times is pretty good for a moving target.

10 shots to incapacitate a single individual.  Imagine if there had been more attackers.


that was why the colt 1911 came about
 
2020-08-14 5:13:06 PM  

whitroth: Gee, maybe in Canada, the cops *don't* shoot to kill, and know that the country's not a free fire zone?


There is no such thing as shooting to wound.  All shots are to kill.  You're spouting hollywoo bullshiat that shows you know nothing of the real world.
 
2020-08-14 5:20:04 PM  

Fara Clark: RussianPotato: This is another, of many, examples as to why you need a "high capacity" magazine for a firearm.

Kid was shot 3-4 times and wasn't fazed at all.  He kept coming at the officer.  Officer fired another volley and hit the kid around 1-2 more times.  Sounds like the cop fired around 10 shots total.  And that's not even bad marksmanship.  A handgun is not an accurate weapon.  Firing around 10 times and hitting 5 times is pretty good for a moving target.

10 shots to incapacitate a single individual.  Imagine if there had been more attackers.

that was why the colt 1911 came about


The magazine in the 1911 my dad used to own only held 8 rounds.

5 shots, shiats, none fatal. This cop is either a surgeon or the worst shot in history.
 
2020-08-14 5:20:50 PM  

spleef420: Fara Clark: RussianPotato: This is another, of many, examples as to why you need a "high capacity" magazine for a firearm.

Kid was shot 3-4 times and wasn't fazed at all.  He kept coming at the officer.  Officer fired another volley and hit the kid around 1-2 more times.  Sounds like the cop fired around 10 shots total.  And that's not even bad marksmanship.  A handgun is not an accurate weapon.  Firing around 10 times and hitting 5 times is pretty good for a moving target.

10 shots to incapacitate a single individual.  Imagine if there had been more attackers.

that was why the colt 1911 came about

The magazine in the 1911 my dad used to own only held 8 rounds.

5 shots, shiats, none fatal. This cop is either a surgeon or the worst shot in history.


*five hits

/farking filter
 
2020-08-14 5:22:19 PM  

spleef420: spleef420: Fara Clark: RussianPotato: This is another, of many, examples as to why you need a "high capacity" magazine for a firearm.

Kid was shot 3-4 times and wasn't fazed at all.  He kept coming at the officer.  Officer fired another volley and hit the kid around 1-2 more times.  Sounds like the cop fired around 10 shots total.  And that's not even bad marksmanship.  A handgun is not an accurate weapon.  Firing around 10 times and hitting 5 times is pretty good for a moving target.

10 shots to incapacitate a single individual.  Imagine if there had been more attackers.

that was why the colt 1911 came about

The magazine in the 1911 my dad used to own only held 8 rounds.

5 shots, shiats, none fatal. This cop is either a surgeon or the worst shot in history.

*five hits

/farking filter


In all fairness, I would shiat myself if someone shot me 5 times.
 
2020-08-14 5:22:55 PM  
Bullets? I assumed it was something like this:

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2020-08-14 5:23:53 PM  

spleef420: Fara Clark: RussianPotato: This is another, of many, examples as to why you need a "high capacity" magazine for a firearm.

Kid was shot 3-4 times and wasn't fazed at all.  He kept coming at the officer.  Officer fired another volley and hit the kid around 1-2 more times.  Sounds like the cop fired around 10 shots total.  And that's not even bad marksmanship.  A handgun is not an accurate weapon.  Firing around 10 times and hitting 5 times is pretty good for a moving target.

10 shots to incapacitate a single individual.  Imagine if there had been more attackers.

that was why the colt 1911 came about

The magazine in the 1911 my dad used to own only held 8 rounds.

5 shots, shiats, none fatal. This cop is either a surgeon or the worst shot in history.


"The officer fired four to five shots, but the teen kept walking in his direction, the report said. The officer fired another round and the teen fell against a wall."
Reading is hard.
He fired six shots, five hit.
 
2020-08-14 5:32:37 PM  

Herr Flick's Revenge: spleef420: Fara Clark: RussianPotato: This is another, of many, examples as to why you need a "high capacity" magazine for a firearm.

Kid was shot 3-4 times and wasn't fazed at all.  He kept coming at the officer.  Officer fired another volley and hit the kid around 1-2 more times.  Sounds like the cop fired around 10 shots total.  And that's not even bad marksmanship.  A handgun is not an accurate weapon.  Firing around 10 times and hitting 5 times is pretty good for a moving target.

10 shots to incapacitate a single individual.  Imagine if there had been more attackers.

that was why the colt 1911 came about

The magazine in the 1911 my dad used to own only held 8 rounds.

5 shots, shiats, none fatal. This cop is either a surgeon or the worst shot in history.

"The officer fired four to five shots, but the teen kept walking in his direction, the report said. The officer fired another round and the teen fell against a wall."
Reading is hard.
He fired six shots, five hit.


Hit in the neck, abdomen and thigh. Like I said, surgical or shiatty.

And fark your "reading is hard" comment, asshole.
 
2020-08-14 5:54:24 PM  

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Came here for a Jason, Canada, Hockey reference.
 
2020-08-14 6:06:14 PM  

Herr Flick's Revenge: spleef420: Fara Clark: RussianPotato: This is another, of many, examples as to why you need a "high capacity" magazine for a firearm.

Kid was shot 3-4 times and wasn't fazed at all.  He kept coming at the officer.  Officer fired another volley and hit the kid around 1-2 more times.  Sounds like the cop fired around 10 shots total.  And that's not even bad marksmanship.  A handgun is not an accurate weapon.  Firing around 10 times and hitting 5 times is pretty good for a moving target.

10 shots to incapacitate a single individual.  Imagine if there had been more attackers.

that was why the colt 1911 came about

The magazine in the 1911 my dad used to own only held 8 rounds.

5 shots, shiats, none fatal. This cop is either a surgeon or the worst shot in history.

"The officer fired four to five shots, but the teen kept walking in his direction, the report said. The officer fired another round and the teen fell against a wall."
Reading is hard.
He fired six shots, five hit.


Stupid 9mm. Next one I'm getting is gonna be a .38, M&P compact is definitely the loudest 9mm I ever owned or shot. But easy conceal.

But he isn't wrong. A .45 will drop someone pretty quickly. Love 1911's. Don't care what you're on or how tweaked out you are. A .45 will drop em pretty quick.

/just had a tweaker surprise me first thing in the morning, in the jobsite dumpster.

//Pretty sure he passed out in there and jumped up when he came to and realized we were throwing sharp metal into the dumpster.

///"I'm just looking for wire man!"
 
2020-08-14 6:13:35 PM  

whitroth: Gee, maybe in Canada, the cops *don't* shoot to kill, and know that the country's not a free fire zone?


If your shooting a gun at someone, you are shooting to kill. At least, you better be.

In any country.
 
2020-08-14 6:24:09 PM  

RussianPotato: whitroth: Gee, maybe in Canada, the cops *don't* shoot to kill, and know that the country's not a free fire zone?

There is no such thing as shooting to wound.  All shots are to kill.  You're spouting hollywoo bullshiat that shows you know nothing of the real world.


So, no one ever shoots at a leg? They always shoot to kill?

Then why do cops have guns, since they are not Judge Dread or the Spanish Inquisition, to condemn someone who hasn't even been tried to death?
 
2020-08-14 6:30:22 PM  

whitroth: RussianPotato: whitroth: Gee, maybe in Canada, the cops *don't* shoot to kill, and know that the country's not a free fire zone?

There is no such thing as shooting to wound.  All shots are to kill.  You're spouting hollywoo bullshiat that shows you know nothing of the real world.

So, no one ever shoots at a leg? They always shoot to kill?

Then why do cops have guns, since they are not Judge Dread or the Spanish Inquisition, to condemn someone who hasn't even been tried to death?


Shooting a gun at someone is using lethal force. In other words, at best it's attempted murder. Unless it's legally justifiable. In order for it to be self-defense, and therefore lawful, it has to be a situation warranting the use of lethal force. The is no legal justification for wounding someone.

So if your shooting at someone, you are by definition trying to kill them. If you are trying to kill them, you better have a damn good reason.

And leg wounds can be just as fatal as chest wounds.
 
2020-08-14 6:31:37 PM  

whitroth: RussianPotato: whitroth: Gee, maybe in Canada, the cops *don't* shoot to kill, and know that the country's not a free fire zone?

There is no such thing as shooting to wound.  All shots are to kill.  You're spouting hollywoo bullshiat that shows you know nothing of the real world.

So, no one ever shoots at a leg? They always shoot to kill?

Then why do cops have guns, since they are not Judge Dread or the Spanish Inquisition, to condemn someone who hasn't even been tried to death?


Technically all shots should be to center mass  as the most effective means to neutralize the threat. The dying part is just the unfortunate side effect of being shot center mass.
 
2020-08-14 6:50:15 PM  

spleef420: Fara Clark: RussianPotato: This is another, of many, examples as to why you need a "high capacity" magazine for a firearm.

Kid was shot 3-4 times and wasn't fazed at all.  He kept coming at the officer.  Officer fired another volley and hit the kid around 1-2 more times.  Sounds like the cop fired around 10 shots total.  And that's not even bad marksmanship.  A handgun is not an accurate weapon.  Firing around 10 times and hitting 5 times is pretty good for a moving target.

10 shots to incapacitate a single individual.  Imagine if there had been more attackers.

that was why the colt 1911 came about

The magazine in the 1911 my dad used to own only held 8 rounds.

5 shots, shiats, none fatal. This cop is either a surgeon or the worst shot in history.


They have extended mags for many firearms these days. I own several.
 
2020-08-14 6:50:50 PM  
Oh, come on. In the thread, what, yesterday, people were saying it was not a big deal to hit a helicopter 1000 feet up.

If you can hit that, you can't get someone's leg at close range?

Great shots, I guess.
 
2020-08-14 7:04:35 PM  

whitroth: Oh, come on. In the thread, what, yesterday, people were saying it was not a big deal to hit a helicopter 1000 feet up.

If you can hit that, you can't get someone's leg at close range?

Great shots, I guess.


What are you talking about? This officer apparently hit his target. You don't shot at someone's leg.
 
2020-08-14 7:14:16 PM  

bobobolinskii: Teenagers as a rule are stupid about the real world


Think of it as evolution in action.
 
2020-08-14 7:37:59 PM  

Moroning: Maybe the cop should be investigated for being such a poor shot.  five bullets, and the perp is still alive.  You suck at shooting.


Shot a pistol before?
Ever shot one under stress?
Most cops especially up here treat guns as tools. They shoot them enough to qualify and thats thats it. (Accurate) pistol shooting is a skill that isnt like riding a bike. If you dont keep doing it the skill degrades.

There was a case in Kingston Ontario where a cop ended up having to shoot someone but he ended up shooting him in the legs. Why? He flinched under stress. The phrase "down and to the left" has relevance
 
2020-08-14 7:38:50 PM  

Ursa Minor: This is the 7/11 closest to my home in Winnipeg. Can't tell you how many times I've had to deek out young muggers hanging out around this place on my way home after the bar. Thankfully, today's hoodlums aren't as streetwise as us ol'dogs. Sadly, there's a red light district across the street, with a corner that numerous women have gone missing from.

Just FYI - I love Winnipeg. It hits above its weight, culturally, a small city with a ballet, symphony, numerous play houses and a good live music scene. You can also access pretty much every vice available in larger city centers. I enjoy a city where there's the potential to be stabbed. It makes for a more interesting Friday night!


And a decent steakhouse
 
2020-08-14 7:39:37 PM  

whitroth: Gee, maybe in Canada, the cops *don't* shoot to kill, and know that the country's not a free fire zone?


Cops in Canada like the US shoot until whatever they are shooting goes down and stays down
 
2020-08-14 7:40:18 PM  

Fara Clark: RussianPotato: This is another, of many, examples as to why you need a "high capacity" magazine for a firearm.

Kid was shot 3-4 times and wasn't fazed at all.  He kept coming at the officer.  Officer fired another volley and hit the kid around 1-2 more times.  Sounds like the cop fired around 10 shots total.  And that's not even bad marksmanship.  A handgun is not an accurate weapon.  Firing around 10 times and hitting 5 times is pretty good for a moving target.

10 shots to incapacitate a single individual.  Imagine if there had been more attackers.

that was why the colt 1911 came about


Ok Boomer ;)
 
2020-08-14 7:42:39 PM  

whitroth: RussianPotato: whitroth: Gee, maybe in Canada, the cops *don't* shoot to kill, and know that the country's not a free fire zone?

There is no such thing as shooting to wound.  All shots are to kill.  You're spouting hollywoo bullshiat that shows you know nothing of the real world.

So, no one ever shoots at a leg? They always shoot to kill?

Then why do cops have guns, since they are not Judge Dread or the Spanish Inquisition, to condemn someone who hasn't even been tried to death?


Um the femoral artery is in the leg. Hit that and they are dead pretty damn quick and it isnt that hard to hit.
They aim center mass as it is the biggest widest target and least likely to miss.
 
2020-08-14 8:11:10 PM  

RussianPotato: whitroth: Gee, maybe in Canada, the cops *don't* shoot to kill, and know that the country's not a free fire zone?

There is no such thing as shooting to wound.  All shots are to kill.  You're spouting hollywoo bullshiat that shows you know nothing of the real world.


More to the point, shooting to wound means you are more likely to miss, and endanger innocent people.
 
2020-08-14 8:15:05 PM  
Shooting to wound is a good way to die in action.
 
2020-08-14 8:15:06 PM  

whitroth: RussianPotato: whitroth: Gee, maybe in Canada, the cops *don't* shoot to kill, and know that the country's not a free fire zone?

There is no such thing as shooting to wound.  All shots are to kill.  You're spouting hollywoo bullshiat that shows you know nothing of the real world.

So, no one ever shoots at a leg? They always shoot to kill?

Then why do cops have guns, since they are not Judge Dread or the Spanish Inquisition, to condemn someone who hasn't even been tried to death?


Have you ever fired a gun?

Shooting at center mass on a moving target with a pistol without having the time to properly in and concentrate is much harder than calmly shooting at center mass on a target.

Trying to shoot the leg of a moving target in the blink of an eye with a 50% success rate would require Olympic level skill.
 
2020-08-14 8:15:41 PM  

big pig peaches: whitroth: RussianPotato: whitroth: Gee, maybe in Canada, the cops *don't* shoot to kill, and know that the country's not a free fire zone?

There is no such thing as shooting to wound.  All shots are to kill.  You're spouting hollywoo bullshiat that shows you know nothing of the real world.

So, no one ever shoots at a leg? They always shoot to kill?

Then why do cops have guns, since they are not Judge Dread or the Spanish Inquisition, to condemn someone who hasn't even been tried to death?

Technically all shots should be to center mass  as the most effective means to neutralize the threat. The dying part is just the unfortunate side effect of being shot center mass.


Guns don't kill people.

Kinetic shock and blood loss do.
 
2020-08-14 8:44:15 PM  
Police fired a Taser at the boy, but it had no effect.

The officer fired four to five shots, but the teen kept walking in his direction, the report said.


That's not a teen, that's a terminator.
 
2020-08-14 8:56:52 PM  

FightDirector: RussianPotato: This is another, of many, examples as to why you need a "high capacity" magazine for a firearm.

Kid was shot 3-4 times and wasn't fazed at all.  He kept coming at the officer.  Officer fired another volley and hit the kid around 1-2 more times.  Sounds like the cop fired around 10 shots total.  And that's not even bad marksmanship.  A handgun is not an accurate weapon.  Firing around 10 times and hitting 5 times is pretty good for a moving target.

10 shots to incapacitate a single individual.  Imagine if there had been more attackers.

While nothing you said is factually wrong, you have made the mistake of saying it on Fark. Saying words which can be characterized by a motivated observer as not actively anti-gun are not acceptable on this premises.  Please remain where you are while the WhidbeySquad finalizes the location of your account for termination.


Not to worry! The "Whidbeysquad" just blocks posts like this so they don't have to see them.  Dissenting opinions cannot be tolerated so they whitewash posters. Kind of their philosophy for the world. Banish any view that doesn't fit the current agenda. It's called Liberal Utopia. George Orwell would be proud!
 
2020-08-14 9:49:31 PM  

Ursa Minor: This is the 7/11 closest to my home in Winnipeg. Can't tell you how many times I've had to deek out young muggers hanging out around this place on my way home after the bar. Thankfully, today's hoodlums aren't as streetwise as us ol'dogs. Sadly, there's a red light district across the street, with a corner that numerous women have gone missing from.

Just FYI - I love Winnipeg. It hits above its weight, culturally, a small city with a ballet, symphony, numerous play houses and a good live music scene. You can also access pretty much every vice available in larger city centers. I enjoy a city where there's the potential to be stabbed. It makes for a more interesting Friday night!


Do you still have the planetarium? Good memories of that from a long time ago. There aren't enough planetariums.
 
2020-08-15 11:38:31 AM  
Seems there's only one person trying to claim shoot to wound or officer blame in this thread. Almost as if the gun proponents in this thread are in the right in this gun-related situation, so they're being left alone to discuss the particulars of the story, and educate the obviously wrong poster who plays video games and watches action movies to learn about firearms. Please stop acting like the Fark powers that be would intercede in this situation. They don't. When you go all Qanon? Yeah, they'll step up to shut up that idiocy.

PS I enjoy learning from your firearm conversations and seeing links likE Joerg that will be fun to check out, so thanks folks.
 
2020-08-15 1:40:45 PM  

spleef420: Herr Flick's Revenge: spleef420: Fara Clark: RussianPotato: This is another, of many, examples as to why you need a "high capacity" magazine for a firearm.

Kid was shot 3-4 times and wasn't fazed at all.  He kept coming at the officer.  Officer fired another volley and hit the kid around 1-2 more times.  Sounds like the cop fired around 10 shots total.  And that's not even bad marksmanship.  A handgun is not an accurate weapon.  Firing around 10 times and hitting 5 times is pretty good for a moving target.

10 shots to incapacitate a single individual.  Imagine if there had been more attackers.

that was why the colt 1911 came about

The magazine in the 1911 my dad used to own only held 8 rounds.

5 shots, shiats, none fatal. This cop is either a surgeon or the worst shot in history.

"The officer fired four to five shots, but the teen kept walking in his direction, the report said. The officer fired another round and the teen fell against a wall."
Reading is hard.
He fired six shots, five hit.

Hit in the neck, abdomen and thigh. Like I said, surgical or shiatty.

And fark your "reading is hard" comment, asshole.


Learn to read and I would not have to make that statement, moron.
 
2020-08-15 5:42:29 PM  

RussianPotato: whitroth: Gee, maybe in Canada, the cops *don't* shoot to kill, and know that the country's not a free fire zone?

There is no such thing as shooting to wound.  All shots are to kill.  You're spouting hollywoo bullshiat that shows you know nothing of the real world.


Mostly right except cops (Canadian cops) are trained to stop the threat not kill.
 
2020-08-15 5:48:03 PM  

g.fro: whitroth: Gee, maybe in Canada, the cops *don't* shoot to kill, and know that the country's not a free fire zone?

If your shooting a gun at someone, you are shooting to kill. At least, you better be.

In any country.


Not actually.  In Canada cops are trained to shoot to stop the threat. That's it, that's all, no ifs ands or buts.
 
2020-08-15 5:50:50 PM  

rikkards: whitroth: Gee, maybe in Canada, the cops *don't* shoot to kill, and know that the country's not a free fire zone?

Cops in Canada like the US shoot until whatever they are shooting goes down and stays down


Not true.  We shoot to stop the threat.
 
2020-08-15 6:00:32 PM  

face bacon: rikkards: whitroth: Gee, maybe in Canada, the cops *don't* shoot to kill, and know that the country's not a free fire zone?

Cops in Canada like the US shoot until whatever they are shooting goes down and stays down

Not true.  We shoot to stop the threat.


Canadians are Americans and Americans shoot to kill. Do you even logic?
 
2020-08-15 6:26:59 PM  

face bacon: rikkards: whitroth: Gee, maybe in Canada, the cops *don't* shoot to kill, and know that the country's not a free fire zone?

Cops in Canada like the US shoot until whatever they are shooting goes down and stays down

Not true.  We shoot to stop the threat.


Tomayto tomahto
 
2020-08-15 6:36:12 PM  

LewDux: face bacon: rikkards: whitroth: Gee, maybe in Canada, the cops *don't* shoot to kill, and know that the country's not a free fire zone?

Cops in Canada like the US shoot until whatever they are shooting goes down and stays down

Not true.  We shoot to stop the threat.

Canadians are Americans and Americans shoot to kill. Do you even logic?


Re read Rikkards comment saying Canadians and American cops shoot to kill.

All I'm saying is Canadian cops don't shoot to kill.
 
2020-08-15 6:50:52 PM  

face bacon: g.fro: whitroth: Gee, maybe in Canada, the cops *don't* shoot to kill, and know that the country's not a free fire zone?

If your shooting a gun at someone, you are shooting to kill. At least, you better be.

In any country.

Not actually.  In Canada cops are trained to shoot to stop the threat. That's it, that's all, no ifs ands or buts.


I'll give you the ifs and ands, but some Canadian cops will totally shoot you in the butt. Sometimes even with a gun.
 
2020-08-15 7:15:43 PM  

face bacon: LewDux: face bacon: rikkards: whitroth: Gee, maybe in Canada, the cops *don't* shoot to kill, and know that the country's not a free fire zone?

Cops in Canada like the US shoot until whatever they are shooting goes down and stays down

Not true.  We shoot to stop the threat.

Canadians are Americans and Americans shoot to kill. Do you even logic?

Re read Rikkards comment saying Canadians and American cops shoot to kill.

All I'm saying is Canadian cops don't shoot to kill.


You are probably doing "facts" thing. I prefer logic. For example "it's coming right for us/past us/away from us!" logic
 
2020-08-15 7:24:35 PM  

LewDux: face bacon: LewDux: face bacon: rikkards: whitroth: Gee, maybe in Canada, the cops *don't* shoot to kill, and know that the country's not a free fire zone?

Cops in Canada like the US shoot until whatever they are shooting goes down and stays down

Not true.  We shoot to stop the threat.

Canadians are Americans and Americans shoot to kill. Do you even logic?

Re read Rikkards comment saying Canadians and American cops shoot to kill.

All I'm saying is Canadian cops don't shoot to kill.

You are probably doing "facts" thing. I prefer logic. For example "it's coming right for us/past us/away from us!" logic


I'm speaking from training and unfortunately experiance.

Dude not here to argue, I'm just telling you what I know about what Canadian cops lethal use of force training.
 
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