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2020-08-14 12:14:10 PM  
The Israel-UAE agreement is a hoax.
 
2020-08-14 12:41:04 PM  
I totally agree!!
 
2020-08-14 12:43:21 PM  

DeltaPunch: I totally agree!!


I do not.
 
2020-08-14 12:44:35 PM  
Nice job, subby!

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2020-08-14 12:44:55 PM  
Also, for the record, I agree with this one, not the other link.
 
2020-08-14 12:46:32 PM  
That's because neither Israel nor the UAE gives a single sloppy good-faith fark about Palestinians.

// the Israeli government cares mostly about "securing" the country against Palestinians
// the UAE monarchy cares mostly about its securing its wealth; the plight of oppressed minorities - in other countries or right there at home - might, barely, crack the top million of their concerns
 
2020-08-14 12:47:24 PM  
They wont be getting any land back.. ever.

They need to understand that.. and as long as the Palestinians keep sending in rockets, they are going to take more and more land in compensation.

Its time to cut their losses and give Israel sensible borders to protect.
 
2020-08-14 12:47:34 PM  
They're  never going to stop fighting unless extraterrestrials come down and attack and give them both something to hate together
 
2020-08-14 12:47:53 PM  
No deal made between two parties ever did f*ck all to benefit an uninvolved third party.
 
2020-08-14 12:49:50 PM  

dwrash: They wont be getting any land back.. ever.

They need to understand that.. and as long as the Palestinians keep sending in rockets, they are going to take more and more land in compensation.

Its time to cut their losses and give Israel sensible borders to protect.


Antisemite. Saying Israel has to respect any border is pretty damn bigoted of you.
 
2020-08-14 12:50:09 PM  

dwrash: They wont be getting any land back.. ever.

They need to understand that.. and as long as the Palestinians keep sending in rockets, they are going to take more and more land in compensation.

Its time to cut their losses and give Israel sensible borders to protect.


Why is the onus on those who's land is being actively invaded an annexed to cease defending themselves against an invader for peace to proceed?

Especially when the rest of the planet doesn't recognize the invader's claims?
 
2020-08-14 12:50:21 PM  
"And for their part, the United Arab Emirates had already broken its promises to Palestinians and Arabs by conducting many acts of normalization with Israel. UAE planes carrying aid for Palestinians have been allowed to fly directly to Israeli airports recently."

Those monsters! Is there no limit to the depths of their treacherousness?!
 
2020-08-14 12:53:26 PM  
It was very clearly something Trump wanted going into the election.   The UAE is like "they will stop settlements" and Israel  is like "no we're not."   And nothing has fundamentally changed about their already good relations -- at least between their governments.

What this does is further demonstrate to your average Arab citizen that their governments are nothing but western pawns and strengthens Iran's position as the only independent Muslim nation in the region.

So good luck with that shiat.
 
2020-08-14 12:54:25 PM  
Reposting from the other thread:

Israel and the Sauds (note that is "Sauds" not "Saudis") have been cooperating behind the scenes for years. They are both primarily concerned about weakening Iran and keeping themselves dominating their own zones of influence.

The UAE is the Sauds' little buddy and not very relevant. This might be the Sauds testing the waters for more formal ties between Saudi Arabia and Israel. But even that would not be a significant change, just formalizing existing relationships.
 
2020-08-14 12:54:36 PM  

Marcos P: They're  never going to stop fighting unless extraterrestrials come down and attack and give them both something to hate together

"I hate them!!!1!"

Why?
"A man from their family killed a man from my family!"
OMG, when did this happen?
"1882"
 
2020-08-14 12:56:33 PM  

BigNumber12: "And for their part, the United Arab Emirates had already broken its promises to Palestinians and Arabs by conducting many acts of normalization with Israel. UAE planes carrying aid for Palestinians have been allowed to fly directly to Israeli airports recently."

Those monsters! Is there no limit to the depths of their treacherousness?!


Aid for Palestinians that goes through Israel generally doesn't make it to the Palestinians.

It gets seized and destroyed as contraband, or auctioned off.
 
2020-08-14 12:57:45 PM  

zbtop: Why is the onus on those who's land is being actively invaded an annexed to cease defending themselves against an invader for peace to proceed?

Especially when the rest of the planet doesn't recognize the invader's claims?


Maybe you should read up on the history of the place... and how that Arabs were antisemitic and did not allow sale of land to Jews and how they tried to take back land they already sold to Jews... and how they tried to stop the democratic process of getting Jews representation... then how the Arabs Twice tried to drive Jews off of land that was legally sold to them into the sea.

It's not a black and white issue as the Jews were subjected to the same dam thing that the Arabs are subjected to now... and there will never be peace without strength.
 
2020-08-14 12:58:19 PM  

zbtop: dwrash: They wont be getting any land back.. ever.

They need to understand that.. and as long as the Palestinians keep sending in rockets, they are going to take more and more land in compensation.

Its time to cut their losses and give Israel sensible borders to protect.

Why is the onus on those who's land is being actively invaded an annexed to cease defending themselves against an invader for peace to proceed?

Especially when the rest of the planet doesn't recognize the invader's claims?


It's the same mindset that says 'well, if protesters didn't want to get brutalized, they shouldn't have gotten angry at cops' or 'if black people didn't want to get murdered, they shouldn't have objected to being brutalized during their arrest for some minor bullshiat'.

Y'know, authoritarianism.
 
2020-08-14 12:59:38 PM  
man i literally can't tell who's worse
 
2020-08-14 1:00:05 PM  
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2020-08-14 1:07:58 PM  

zbtop: dwrash: They wont be getting any land back.. ever.

They need to understand that.. and as long as the Palestinians keep sending in rockets, they are going to take more and more land in compensation.

Its time to cut their losses and give Israel sensible borders to protect.

Why is the onus on those who's land is being actively invaded an annexed to cease defending themselves against an invader for peace to proceed?

Especially when the rest of the planet doesn't recognize the invader's claims?


Because there was a war, and they lost. That's how suing for peace works. The loser asks for terms from the winner to prevent the winner from just taking everything.
 
2020-08-14 1:08:39 PM  

dwrash: zbtop: Why is the onus on those who's land is being actively invaded an annexed to cease defending themselves against an invader for peace to proceed?

Especially when the rest of the planet doesn't recognize the invader's claims?

Maybe you should read up on the history of the place... and how that Arabs were antisemitic and did not allow sale of land to Jews and how they tried to take back land they already sold to Jews... and how they tried to stop the democratic process of getting Jews representation... then how the Arabs Twice tried to drive Jews off of land that was legally sold to them into the sea.

It's not a black and white issue as the Jews were subjected to the same dam thing that the Arabs are subjected to now... and there will never be peace without strength.


I understand that history, but if the existing inhabitants didn't want to sell the land, why should they be forced to give it up? Let's remember the overwhelming bulk of the Jewish population were European immigrants, coming in with a political ideal to create a new ethno-state where the majority of the existing population was of different ethnic, cultural, and religious background to begin with and didn't much seem to care.

I'm totally willing to acknowledge the Arab political groups weren't acting in good faith and did terrible things of their own, but let's be real, *nobody* was playing nice or in good faith, and organizations like Irgun and Lehi (many of who members went on to the top levels of Israeli government and part of the founding of the IDF) engaging in their own ethnic cleansing, kidnappings, bombings, and assassinations, and played gimmicks with "democratic" processes (which weren't really so on any side) of their own.

But I get it, you don't have problems with colonialization, only one side is bad, and the political ideal of Peace through Power appeals to you. You're the same dude who made the statement that anyone in Portland supporting BLM protests deserved arrest and were all complicit in violence.
 
2020-08-14 1:09:20 PM  

Murkanen: Aid for Palestinians that goes through Israel generally doesn't make it to the Palestinians.

It gets seized and destroyed as contraband, or auctioned off.


Really ? can you provide a source ? I know the Israelis themselves send more than a hundred trucks full of aid to the Palestinians daily.
 
2020-08-14 1:09:57 PM  

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Did the Jews not start buying up Palestinian land from Arabs that were more than willing to sell them their land... until they sold so much land they were afraid of the Jews?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_​l​and_purchase_in_Palestine
 
2020-08-14 1:11:04 PM  

Hellbound: Murkanen: Aid for Palestinians that goes through Israel generally doesn't make it to the Palestinians.

It gets seized and destroyed as contraband, or auctioned off.

Really ? can you provide a source ? I know the Israelis themselves send more than a hundred trucks full of aid to the Palestinians daily.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/eu-slam​s​-israel-over-planned-sale-of-seized-we​st-bank-aid/amp/
 
2020-08-14 1:12:23 PM  

zbtop: But I get it, you don't have problems with colonialization, only one side is bad, and the political ideal of Peace through Power appeals to you. You're the same dude who made the statement that anyone in Portland supporting BLM protests deserved arrest and were all complicit in violence.


I do have problems with Colonization.. but who is in the right here.. the Ottoman Empire for colonizing it with Arabs?  The Romans for Colonizing it.. or Jews for Colonizing it?

If you want to stop the Colonization, you need to come to an agreement with all parties... and never have the Palestinians bargained in good faith.
 
2020-08-14 1:16:57 PM  
The UAE is a scum country that is as corrupt and untrustworthy as the Saudis. But they have, like, skyscrapers and shiat so we think they're okay. They're not remotely okay.

And of course Israel is not remotely okay. Not as an apartheid state.

So this is two scummy actors clasping hands. Big farking deal.
 
2020-08-14 1:23:26 PM  

Murkanen: https://www.timesofisrael.com/eu-slam​s​-israel-over-planned-sale-of-seized-we​st-bank-aid/amp/


Your link is about tents and a building structure to be used in area C which violates some agreements, that's not generally the aid sent to the Palestinians including the hundred+ of trucks sent to them on a daily basis by Israel so not a good example. From what you said I understood that all aid goes through Israel generally doesn't make it to the Palestinians.
 
2020-08-14 1:34:10 PM  
And of course, mom's rapists show up to  advocate ethnic cleansing.
 
2020-08-14 1:36:19 PM  

mrparks: No deal made between two parties ever did f*ck all to benefit an uninvolved third party.


1938 called and says that Czechs out.
 
2020-08-14 1:38:02 PM  

dwrash: zbtop: But I get it, you don't have problems with colonialization, only one side is bad, and the political ideal of Peace through Power appeals to you. You're the same dude who made the statement that anyone in Portland supporting BLM protests deserved arrest and were all complicit in violence.

I do have problems with Colonization.. but who is in the right here.. the Ottoman Empire for colonizing it with Arabs?  The Romans for Colonizing it.. or Jews for Colonizing it?

If you want to stop the Colonization, you need to come to an agreement with all parties... and never have the Palestinians bargained in good faith.


I wonder how american blacks would react if the whites said they couldn't own any more property.. that is exactly what the Arabs did to the Jews.
 
2020-08-14 1:40:26 PM  

Hellbound: Murkanen: Aid for Palestinians that goes through Israel generally doesn't make it to the Palestinians.

It gets seized and destroyed as contraband, or auctioned off.

Really ? can you provide a source ? I know the Israelis themselves send more than a hundred trucks full of aid to the Palestinians daily.


Might it be "selective" aid - pump up certain neighborhoods to discourage Palestinians living on or near land Israel might want, and encourage them further (PURE SPECULATION ON MY PART HERE)?

Might just be good-old grift (in the Bibi government?!).

// aid is always the griftiest - Arafat built a lot of vanity projects while his people starved; and Abbas and Hamas, for all their anticorruption politicking, aren't really showing themselves to be much better
// Hezbollah's pretty good at least at getting aid to people on the ground (showing up with rebuilding supplies while the government's still waking up senior officials)
// you know, while also being a literal terrorist organization
// the worse the plight of the people, the less they care about anything other than who the fark shows up with a hammer (or clean/cold water, etc) to help
 
2020-08-14 1:46:04 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Might it be "selective" aid - pump up certain neighborhoods to discourage Palestinians living on or near land Israel might want, and encourage them further (PURE SPECULATION ON MY PART HERE)?

Might just be good-old grift (in the Bibi government?!).


That's not what the link is about. It was an effort of the EU to build structures in an area under Israel's administrative control which is a far cry from what the original poster claimed ("all aid goes through Israel generally doesn't make it to the Palestinians").
 
2020-08-14 2:01:44 PM  

Marcos P: They're  never going to stop fighting unless extraterrestrials come down and attack and give them both something to hate together


The aliens would comment something about how Israel could tone down the violence on Palestine and suddenly we're all struggling with the pronunciation of 'racist' in Betelgeusees, no thanks.
 
2020-08-14 2:06:54 PM  

dwrash: They wont be getting any land back.. ever.

They need to understand that.. and as long as the Palestinians keep sending in rockets, they are going to take more and more land in compensation.

Its time to cut their losses and give Israel sensible borders to protect.


Man, it must be weird to be told your own neighbors don't deserve peace and security, and to have religious fanatics control the leadership and do things that will forever undermine peace. To never be able to understand their perspective, to just fight bloodily and hate them more and more...

I could be describing either side right now. Israel is full of religious fanatics who claim the Palestinians don't even exist as a people (they are just "Arabs") and therefore can be ethnically cleansed... That's the entire impetus behind the annexation of the West Bank - which the Israelis don't even call that, they call it "Judea" in the most obvious piece of manifest destiny even. As bad as Hamas is, they are perfectly mirrored on the other side by Israeli religious groups.

It's pretty tragic that Israel is trying to annex their own Sudatenland. It really lowers my opinion of humanity as a whole.
 
2020-08-14 2:12:33 PM  

Murkanen: BigNumber12: "And for their part, the United Arab Emirates had already broken its promises to Palestinians and Arabs by conducting many acts of normalization with Israel. UAE planes carrying aid for Palestinians have been allowed to fly directly to Israeli airports recently."

Those monsters! Is there no limit to the depths of their treacherousness?!

Aid for Palestinians that goes through Israel generally doesn't make it to the Palestinians.

It gets seized and destroyed as contraband, or auctioned off.


That's a mighty big claim. Nebulously phrased, of course, but "generally" means "in most cases."

So I'm sure you can show that most (>50%) aid being sent by states like the UAE is being seized, destroyed, or auctioned. You can choose your preferred unit (tons, shipments, hogsheads, whatever) for your calculations.
 
2020-08-14 2:14:44 PM  

zbtop: dwrash: zbtop: Why is the onus on those who's land is being actively invaded an annexed to cease defending themselves against an invader for peace to proceed?

Especially when the rest of the planet doesn't recognize the invader's claims?

Maybe you should read up on the history of the place... and how that Arabs were antisemitic and did not allow sale of land to Jews and how they tried to take back land they already sold to Jews... and how they tried to stop the democratic process of getting Jews representation... then how the Arabs Twice tried to drive Jews off of land that was legally sold to them into the sea.

It's not a black and white issue as the Jews were subjected to the same dam thing that the Arabs are subjected to now... and there will never be peace without strength.

I understand that history, but if the existing inhabitants didn't want to sell the land, why should they be forced to give it up? Let's remember the overwhelming bulk of the Jewish population were European immigrants, coming in with a political ideal to create a new ethno-state where the majority of the existing population was of different ethnic, cultural, and religious background to begin with and didn't much seem to care.

I'm totally willing to acknowledge the Arab political groups weren't acting in good faith and did terrible things of their own, but let's be real, *nobody* was playing nice or in good faith, and organizations like Irgun and Lehi (many of who members went on to the top levels of Israeli government and part of the founding of the IDF) engaging in their own ethnic cleansing, kidnappings, bombings, and assassinations, and played gimmicks with "democratic" processes (which weren't really so on any side) of their own.

But I get it, you don't have problems with colonialization, only one side is bad, and the political ideal of Peace through Power appeals to you. You're the same dude who made the statement that anyone in Portland supporting BLM protests deserved arrest and were all complicit in violence.


That's a lie. The overwhelming bulk of the Jewish population in Israel were and are semetic people from the surrounding Arab counties.

Israel is not perfect, and their current political leadership is as problematic as in the USA or UK. But the idea that Israel is predominantly outsiders from Europe is a lie.
 
2020-08-14 2:21:49 PM  

BigNumber12: That's a mighty big claim. Nebulously phrased, of course, but "generally" means "in most cases."

So I'm sure you can show that most (>50%) aid being sent by states like the UAE is being seized, destroyed, or auctioned. You can choose your preferred unit (tons, shipments, hogsheads, whatever) for your calculations.


People just pop in, say something which evidently isn't true without having to provide any evidence. There are other examples in the thread.
 
2020-08-14 2:34:58 PM  

adamatari: Man, it must be weird to be told your own neighbors don't deserve peace and security, and to have religious fanatics control the leadership and do things that will forever undermine peace. To never be able to understand their perspective, to just fight bloodily and hate them more and more...


When those seeking peace and security continually shoot rockets into Israel it kind of undermines your point.

You have zero moral ground in this.
 
2020-08-14 2:41:26 PM  

dwrash: When those seeking peace and security continually shoot rockets into Israel it kind of undermines your point.


Especially after Israel completely withdrew from that area, removing every settlement there. They responded by electing a Jihadist terrorist organization running on a platform of "death to Israel" and of course turned the place into an Islamic theocracy.
 
2020-08-14 2:59:19 PM  
This Land is Mine
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2020-08-14 5:55:46 PM  
So ... the Arabs can go fly a kite?
 
2020-08-14 8:03:06 PM  

Dr Dreidel: That's because neither Israel nor the UAE gives a single sloppy good-faith fark about Palestinians.

// the Israeli government cares mostly about "securing" the country against Palestinians
// the UAE monarchy cares mostly about its securing its wealth; the plight of oppressed minorities - in other countries or right there at home - might, barely, crack the top million of their concerns



This.

this agreement is bullshiat.
 
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