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(KIRO-7 Seattle)   Seattle brewery puts anti-police messages on beer. Of course, since they're IPAs it could also mean 'All Cans Are Bitter'   (kiro7.com) divider line
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2020-08-14 1:22:34 PM  
54 votes:
Dempster wrote, "if it means someone won't buy my beer anymore, good. The beer was not created for them. I make my beer for folks who are actively anti-racist, anti-Trump, anti-fascist and pro-equality."

Damn I don't drink beer but I may have to find some to support this kind of stand.
 
2020-08-14 1:28:00 PM  
43 votes:

The_Sponge: FlyinS: Well, they're not wrong.

Yes they are.

ACAB is an ignorant blanket statement.


Well, you're wrong.
 
2020-08-14 1:26:13 PM  
36 votes:

FlyinS: Well, they're not wrong.


Yes they are.

ACAB is an ignorant blanket statement.
 
2020-08-14 1:35:37 PM  
29 votes:

The_Sponge: FlyinS: Well, they're not wrong.

Yes they are.

ACAB is an ignorant blanket statement.


No it's not. When cops retaliate against cops that call out the injustices committed by other cops such that the whistleblower is either forced to quit or become complicit in the injustices it means All Cops Are Bad. Systemic racism is endemic to the police culture whether they want to admit to it or not, and needs to end.

Refer to the old adage 'one bad apple spoils the bunch'.
And for further edification, Bad Apple Proverbs
 
2020-08-14 1:29:12 PM  
27 votes:
I know the owner. Marched w/ him during a BLM march. He's good people.

/I'm sure some of you jerks will flame me for saying that.
//Don't care
 
2020-08-14 1:55:58 PM  
23 votes:

dwrash: They wont stay in businesses for long...


Yes, I'm sure that Seattle microbrewery was really depending on the bootlicker demographic to keep them solvent.
 
2020-08-14 1:23:33 PM  
23 votes:
Sounds like I know which brewery to burglarize in Seattle.
 
2020-08-14 1:22:21 PM  
23 votes:
oh know...cops who are offended will only have 10's of thousands of other kinds of beers to choose from...this is an outrage.
 
2020-08-14 1:31:34 PM  
21 votes:
I want my beer to generate opinions, not come with its own.
 
2020-08-14 1:43:20 PM  
20 votes:
ACAB....All Cops Are Bastards...

"It's not about individual police officers; it's about a system. But I think to the casual observer, it seems like an attack on individual police officers - all cops..."

That's what it means when you choose the word "all", dumbass.
 
2020-08-14 1:47:12 PM  
19 votes:

FLMountainMan: chaoswolf: special20: FTFA: "Around the country, several are brewing their own versions of a beer that shares a single label that reads "Black is Beautiful."

Craft Malt Liquor?

/runs away

Could just be a good stout.

Yes, all cops are bad. Or biatches. Or bastards. Or racist scrotum-walkers. Whatever. They all suck because they all allow their blue line bullshiat to keep the evil rampant.

There are no good cops. Not in this country.

Do you actually know any police officers?


I know several. Related to a couple, and I love them.

But they're still bastards. They're active participants in a deeply broken system and they're not trying to fix it.
 
2020-08-14 1:42:40 PM  
18 votes:

The_Sponge: FlyinS: Well, they're not wrong.

Yes they are.

ACAB is an ignorant blanket statement.


No, it really isn't. American style police forces are part of a fascist organization. Police are not only allowed but encouraged and trained to lie as an example. Even if in your private life you're a decent person when you put that uniform on and follow the rules of the organization you become someone who deprives people of life and liberty without repercussions. So yes, All Cops Are Bad.
 
2020-08-14 1:32:46 PM  
18 votes:
I had heard it is as "All Cops are Bad", but either way, the message is true.

As has been said many times before: There are good cops and bad cops, the problem is that bad cops look like good cops until its too late.  So, you must assume they are all bad until they prove otherwise.
 
2020-08-14 1:35:33 PM  
15 votes:
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2020-08-14 1:32:52 PM  
15 votes:

special20: FTFA: "Around the country, several are brewing their own versions of a beer that shares a single label that reads "Black is Beautiful."

Craft Malt Liquor?

/runs away


Could just be a good stout.

Yes, all cops are bad. Or biatches. Or bastards. Or racist scrotum-walkers. Whatever. They all suck because they all allow their blue line bullshiat to keep the evil rampant.

There are no good cops. Not in this country.
 
2020-08-14 1:47:15 PM  
14 votes:
with some customers saying they'll no longer buy the beer.

Sensitive right-wing snowflakes trying to invoke their Republican cancel-culture again.
Funny thing about Republican cancel culture is it never works.
 
2020-08-14 1:45:14 PM  
14 votes:

The_Sponge: FlyinS: Well, they're not wrong.

Yes they are.

ACAB is an ignorant blanket statement.


The good cops protect the bad cops.
That means the good cops are bad cops.
 
2020-08-14 1:50:47 PM  
13 votes:

asciibaron: this sets up an interesting dilemma.  if people want Trump arrested and brought to justice for his crimes, that would require the police.  if all cops are bastards and they are part of an evil in the country, how will Trump get arrested for his crimes?

20/20 mad as a dog


It's adorable you think police have anything to do with whether or not Trump will be arrested.
 
2020-08-14 2:13:41 PM  
12 votes:

The_Sponge: And if all cops are bastards, then I hope you guys "keep it real" and never call 911 for a situation that would usually call for law enforcement.


Let's keep it real: At no time, while I was a victim have the cops helped me when I called them. They never recovered my belongings, they didn't arrest the people who stole from me, they didn't put my rapist in jail, they mocked me and treated me poorly while I was begging to be taken to the hospital after being raped, they gave me a ticket when my car was stolen and left in the street by the idiot thief who couldn't drive a stick, and they assaulted me the time I ran to them after being assaulted. So... what the fark are they doing that I'm gonna miss? In 35 years they haven't once fixed a situation or made it better.  Sure, I might want to call them, delusionally thinking they may help, but past experience tells me they aren't going to help shiat anyway.
 
2020-08-14 1:54:06 PM  
12 votes:

asciibaron: this sets up an interesting dilemma.  if people want Trump arrested and brought to justice for his crimes, that would require the police.  if all cops are bastards and they are part of an evil in the country, how will Trump get arrested for his crimes?

20/20 mad as a dog


All cops don't have to be bastards. It just happens that they currently are.

It's no great stretch to imagine current systems being replaced in function and employing people that aren't bastards.

Did you really think you had some kind of clever *gotcha* there?
 
2020-08-14 2:18:34 PM  
11 votes:

KidKorporate: Hey let's try it.  No cops, no courts, no jails.  The situation will sort itself out eventually, but probably not in the manner you envisioned.


It's almost like that's not actually the solution being proposed and this is just the saddest strawman argument I ever saw

/if you only had a brain
 
2020-08-14 1:43:32 PM  
11 votes:

FLMountainMan: Sounds like I know which brewery to burglarize in Seattle.


So what you are saying is the police have discriminatory practices? And you are ok with this?
 
2020-08-14 1:23:21 PM  
11 votes:
Well, they're not wrong.
 
2020-08-14 1:03:48 PM  
11 votes:
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2020-08-14 1:59:32 PM  
10 votes:

winedrinkingman: I support the police.  That said having been a cop I can honestly say that the best thing you can do to support the police is to remove the bottom third of officers who are racist, violate people's rights, or who fail to live up to the moral obligations that we deserve from police.

By an amazing coincidence these also tend to be the dumbest guys in every department, who screw up other officers' investigations, sexually harasse the female staff, and escalate routine calls into dangerous confrontations for mot just the public, but also all the other cops.


How many cops are there who don't know about a single other cop who's a racist, a liar, corrupt, or just a violent psycho?

If they know about any of that and haven't done anything about it, they've failed to live up to the moral obligations that we deserve from police.
 
2020-08-14 1:38:12 PM  
10 votes:

chaoswolf: special20: FTFA: "Around the country, several are brewing their own versions of a beer that shares a single label that reads "Black is Beautiful."

Craft Malt Liquor?

/runs away

Could just be a good stout.

Yes, all cops are bad. Or biatches. Or bastards. Or racist scrotum-walkers. Whatever. They all suck because they all allow their blue line bullshiat to keep the evil rampant.

There are no good cops. Not in this country.


Do you actually know any police officers?
 
2020-08-14 3:46:24 PM  
9 votes:
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2020-08-14 2:43:57 PM  
9 votes:

gar1013: There are plenty of other shiatty over-hopped craft brews to drink, so whatever.

Seriously, try some good beer from foreign countries, and then try your local craft brewery. Notice how many of the local people think the hops level needs to be turned to 11?


Don't like hops?  Then don't drink *those styles of beer that are highly-hopped*.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know  that if you order and IPA, the flavor is going to be hop-forward.  And, many craft breweries put the hop level (in IBUs) right on the goddamn label, so it's pretty easy to pick a beer that you'll likely enjoy.  But you go on and keep railing against "overhopping" as if it isn't an easily-avoided non-issue.

It's like garlic. People in the US overuse it to obscene levels compared to places like Italy.

Suck it.  I love garlic.  I'll use as much of it as I want.  Who cares how much "they" use in "places like Italy".  There are plenty of cuisines which historically use lots more garlic than Italy.  Regions in India and China come to mind.

Your entire post is <stoplikingwhatIdon'tlike.jpg>
 
2020-08-14 2:27:39 PM  
9 votes:

asciibaron: bluejeansonfire:
No police is better than barbaric murdering savage demon police, so it'll be worth it either way.

how many police officers are there in the US and how many citizens have been murdered by a police officer in the performance of their duty each year?


Also, police are citizens and civilians. Using language that implies they somehow transcend either category is bootlicker 101.
 
2020-08-14 2:07:32 PM  
9 votes:

iamskibibitz: FlyinS: ACAB is an ignorant blanket statement.

Well, you're wrong.

All ____ are bastards.

Filling in the blank just depends on your point of view. Either way that sentence is ignorant and blanket regardless of what you choose.


Well, you're wrong.
 
2020-08-14 1:55:24 PM  
9 votes:
I support the police.  That said having been a cop I can honestly say that the best thing you can do to support the police is to remove the bottom third of officers who are racist, violate people's rights, or who fail to live up to the moral obligations that we deserve from police.

By an amazing coincidence these also tend to be the dumbest guys in every department, who screw up other officers' investigations, sexually harasse the female staff, and escalate routine calls into dangerous confrontations for mot just the public, but also all the other cops.
 
2020-08-14 1:54:06 PM  
9 votes:
If it baits the "Blue Lives Matter" dipshiats into spewing their bile and hatred, I'm OK with this.
 
2020-08-14 1:42:29 PM  
9 votes:

The_Sponge: FlyinS: Well, they're not wrong.

Yes they are.

ACAB is an ignorant blanket statement.


If all cops protect bad cops, does that mean all cops are bad cops?
Most of us have a strong opinion about that - usually based on experience.
 
2020-08-14 2:59:12 PM  
8 votes:

CheekyMonkey: To be fair, "defund the police" is a dumb slogan.

Low-information persons will always build a strawman based on the most simplistic meaning of the words

.

I love this suggestion that we should always dumb everything down so the dumbassess won't get mad.

Like people whose minds are already made up are going to get a clue somehow.
 
2020-08-14 2:40:44 PM  
8 votes:

FlyinS: The_Sponge: FlyinS: Well, they're not wrong.

Yes they are.

ACAB is an ignorant blanket statement.

Well, you're wrong.


Until good cops stop protecting bad cops he isn't wrong.
 
2020-08-14 2:05:35 PM  
8 votes:

FlyinS: ACAB is an ignorant blanket statement.

Well, you're wrong.


All ____ are bastards.

Filling in the blank just depends on your point of view. Either way that sentence is ignorant and blanket regardless of what you choose.
 
2020-08-14 2:05:23 PM  
8 votes:
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2020-08-14 1:57:02 PM  
8 votes:

gar1013: It's like garlic. People in the US overuse it to obscene levels compared to places like Italy.


Fresh chopped garlic is awesome. I always double what the recipe says. If the recipe was just "two roasted cloves of garlic" I'd add two more for flavor.
 
2020-08-14 1:33:26 PM  
8 votes:
There are plenty of other shiatty over-hopped craft brews to drink, so whatever.

Seriously, try some good beer from foreign countries, and then try your local craft brewery. Notice how many of the local people think the hops level needs to be turned to 11?

It's like garlic. People in the US overuse it to obscene levels compared to places like Italy.
 
2020-08-14 3:59:12 PM  
7 votes:

The_Sponge: Thunderboy: FlyinS: The_Sponge: ace in your face: The_Sponge: [Fark user image image 425x531]

Not only is this meme clearly racist (not shocked from the likes of you), but it also ignores the fact that police should be under a stronger obligation to protect people, with accountability,  than violent insane criminals who have not been called to do that job.

But regardless, why don't you put Tamir Rice in your racist meme?

It's not racist, but it says a lot about the media.

It only says a lot about the racists that share it as if it's some "gotcha"

You must understand, racists are not intelligent people.

Agreed.  And thankfully, I'm not racist.


Yeah. You are.
 
2020-08-14 3:54:12 PM  
7 votes:

FlyinS: The_Sponge: ace in your face: The_Sponge: [Fark user image image 425x531]

Not only is this meme clearly racist (not shocked from the likes of you), but it also ignores the fact that police should be under a stronger obligation to protect people, with accountability,  than violent insane criminals who have not been called to do that job.

But regardless, why don't you put Tamir Rice in your racist meme?

It's not racist, but it says a lot about the media.

It only says a lot about the racists that share it as if it's some "gotcha"


You must understand, racists are not intelligent people.
 
2020-08-14 3:41:34 PM  
7 votes:

The_Sponge: FlyinS: The_Sponge: FlyinS: The_Sponge: inglixthemad: Gunner's Mate First Class Phillip Asshole: Dempster wrote, "if it means someone won't buy my beer anymore, good. The beer was not created for them. I make my beer for folks who are actively anti-racist, anti-Trump, anti-fascist and pro-equality."

Damn I don't drink beer but I may have to find some to support this kind of stand.

I can see the conservatives losing their shiat already...

"THE OFFICIAL BEER OF ANTIFA!"

Hopefully they have insurance on their property, and can protect themselves as well. Conservative snowflakes don't like it when people stand up.

By "stand up" do you mean assault, battery, vandalism, and looting?

Yes, the cops are engaging in all of those activities.

And what about the other side?  They were doing all those things in Seattle....attacking businesses that my had NOTHING to do with George Floyd.

Childish whataboutism notwithstanding, maybe you can let me know where those people are our paid employees charged with being peace officers of the law?

https://youtu.be/sb9_qGOa9Go

No argument would suffice for you, it doesn't taste like cop boot enough to satisfy you. Also your friend in the PD is just as bad as any of them.

Wow...judging a person without even knowing a single thing about him.  How ignorant.


Must have missed the report where the one hero cop in the Seattle PD was opposing the brutality, harassment, and violence perpetrated by their colleagues, denouncing the systemic racism, and calling for those officers to be removed and prosecuted. Loudly, publicly and transparently. Refusing to engage in unconstitutional activities and protecting any peaceful protestors with their voice and body.

I'll wait.
 
2020-08-14 2:40:27 PM  
7 votes:

The_Sponge: And if all cops are bastards, then I hope you guys "keep it real" and never call 911 for a situation that would usually call for law enforcement.


No, I think the cops are supposed to do their jobs, like they swore they would do.
 
2020-08-14 2:33:58 PM  
7 votes:

FLMountainMan: Getting rid of all police is stupid and unrealistic


And no one is saying that.
 
2020-08-14 2:04:28 PM  
7 votes:

FLMountainMan: And attacking them on Fark isn't going to get us to your cop-free nirvana either?


Nobody, I repeat nobody wants cop-free America.  We need to root out all the shiatstains and start fresh.
 
2020-08-14 2:03:12 PM  
7 votes:

The_Sponge: And if all cops are bastards, then I hope you guys "keep it real" and never call 911 for a situation that would usually call for law enforcement.


What situation would that be? Any emergency I could have will either be better handled by someone else or it will be over before anyone else can get there. I don't need people with guns to save me, I've got a huge stack of my own.

If I call it will only be because my insurance wants a copy of a police report.
 
2020-08-14 1:59:32 PM  
7 votes:
And if all cops are bastards, then I hope you guys "keep it real" and never call 911 for a situation that would usually call for law enforcement.
 
2020-08-14 1:43:29 PM  
7 votes:

FLMountainMan: chaoswolf: special20: FTFA: "Around the country, several are brewing their own versions of a beer that shares a single label that reads "Black is Beautiful."

Craft Malt Liquor?

/runs away

Could just be a good stout.

Yes, all cops are bad. Or biatches. Or bastards. Or racist scrotum-walkers. Whatever. They all suck because they all allow their blue line bullshiat to keep the evil rampant.

There are no good cops. Not in this country.

Do you actually know any police officers?


Yeah, hundreds. Worked at the Chicago OEMC for a while. You'd shiat yourself hearing some of the stories they tell.
 
2020-08-14 6:00:06 PM  
6 votes:

WTP 2: ARE COPS ALL BAD ?

NO, THE ANSWER IS NO.


They are when they join together to defend when their colleagues commit heinous crimes.
They are when they cover / ignore their colleagues committing heinous crimes.
They are when they're represented by a union that will defend the most disgusting actions of its members.
They are when leadership fires officers from daring to cross "the blue line" to speak out against officers acting inappropriately
 
2020-08-14 5:20:39 PM  
6 votes:

The_Sponge: FlyinS: Well, they're not wrong.

Yes they are.

ACAB is an ignorant blanket statement.


No it isn't.

Even if all cops are not actively oppressing people, I don't see marches or demonstrations by the "good" cops, I don't see them publicly pushing to prosecute wrongdoing by bad officers, I don't see an outburst of them reporting their abusive peers.  I see their union -- which represents all of them -- supporting Trump and actively protecting murdering and abusing cops.

Silence is complicity.  Evil wins when good people do nothing.  In fact when the wrongdoing is so blatant, and so visible, and they make the active choice to do nothing, then I wouldn't even call them "good people".  It is more like depraved indifference, which is a crime.
 
2020-08-14 4:23:09 PM  
6 votes:
tHe MeDiA iSnT cOvErInG iT

Google search reveals every news organization, local and national, running at least 1 story on it.

Where do these racists come up with this stupidity?
 
2020-08-14 3:48:52 PM  
6 votes:

The_Sponge: [Fark user image 425x531]


Was that shooter an agent of the state, given qualified immunity, and immediately defended by... anyone?

Did people immediately start digging into the child's past to figure out why he probably deserved to get shot?
 
2020-08-14 3:32:01 PM  
6 votes:

The_Sponge: FlyinS: The_Sponge: inglixthemad: Gunner's Mate First Class Phillip Asshole: Dempster wrote, "if it means someone won't buy my beer anymore, good. The beer was not created for them. I make my beer for folks who are actively anti-racist, anti-Trump, anti-fascist and pro-equality."

Damn I don't drink beer but I may have to find some to support this kind of stand.

I can see the conservatives losing their shiat already...

"THE OFFICIAL BEER OF ANTIFA!"

Hopefully they have insurance on their property, and can protect themselves as well. Conservative snowflakes don't like it when people stand up.

By "stand up" do you mean assault, battery, vandalism, and looting?

Yes, the cops are engaging in all of those activities.

And what about the other side?  They were doing all those things in Seattle....attacking businesses that my had NOTHING to do with George Floyd.


Childish whataboutism notwithstanding, maybe you can let me know where those people are our paid employees charged with being peace officers of the law?

https://youtu.be/sb9_qGOa9Go

No argument would suffice for you, it doesn't taste like cop boot enough to satisfy you. Also your friend in the PD is just as bad as any of them.
 
2020-08-14 2:44:47 PM  
6 votes:
One thing the bootlickers here need to realize is that the SCOTUS has ruled that police have no obligation to protect people. How do they resolve this with their claims that they are so badly needed, yet are under no obligation to meet said needs?

The system and the profession is badly broken and needs to be dismantled and rebuilt from the bottom up.

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/po​l​itics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have​-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html​
 
2020-08-14 2:08:40 PM  
6 votes:

asciibaron: JesseL: asciibaron: this sets up an interesting dilemma.  if people want Trump arrested and brought to justice for his crimes, that would require the police.  if all cops are bastards and they are part of an evil in the country, how will Trump get arrested for his crimes?

20/20 mad as a dog

All cops don't have to be bastards. It just happens that they currently are.

It's no great stretch to imagine current systems being replaced in function and employing people that aren't bastards.

Did you really think you had some kind of clever *gotcha* there?

good luck hiring 100,000 new police to replace the ones you say are bastards in the next few months.


No police is better than barbaric murdering savage demon police, so it'll be worth it either way.
 
2020-08-14 2:08:08 PM  
6 votes:

dwrash: They wont stay in businesses for long...


They sell out of every batch. But your concern is noted.
 
2020-08-14 2:08:03 PM  
6 votes:
In these times, it's important to remember why blue lives matter.
 
2020-08-14 1:57:38 PM  
6 votes:

JesseL: asciibaron: this sets up an interesting dilemma.  if people want Trump arrested and brought to justice for his crimes, that would require the police.  if all cops are bastards and they are part of an evil in the country, how will Trump get arrested for his crimes?

20/20 mad as a dog

All cops don't have to be bastards. It just happens that they currently are.

It's no great stretch to imagine current systems being replaced in function and employing people that aren't bastards.

Did you really think you had some kind of clever *gotcha* there?


good luck hiring 100,000 new police to replace the ones you say are bastards in the next few months.
 
2020-08-14 1:53:59 PM  
6 votes:
Bravo to them, but I prefer Saison style beers. I feel hops have become a crutch. Just add an ass load of hops to any shiatty beer, and you can sell it. Hard pass.
 
2020-08-14 1:44:29 PM  
6 votes:
I tend to give a hallpass to the older seemingly mellow cops but I can't stand the skinhead ex-mil cops with Punisher tats and an agressive "come at me, bro" attitude in every situation. I suppose I should quit giving the former a pass since they seem perfectly fine with the latter.
 
2020-08-14 1:43:00 PM  
6 votes:

FLMountainMan: chaoswolf: special20: FTFA: "Around the country, several are brewing their own versions of a beer that shares a single label that reads "Black is Beautiful."

Craft Malt Liquor?

/runs away

Could just be a good stout.

Yes, all cops are bad. Or biatches. Or bastards. Or racist scrotum-walkers. Whatever. They all suck because they all allow their blue line bullshiat to keep the evil rampant.

There are no good cops. Not in this country.

Do you actually know any police officers?


sure as shiat not on purpose!
 
2020-08-14 9:55:32 PM  
5 votes:
Just to preface, I am a cop. I don't hang out with cops, nor do I consider any cops good friends. But I do respect most of my co-workers. I just came into the profession later in life (mid-30s) and in a place I didn't grow up in. Also, every cop where I work lives in our jurisdiction; and we are not a small department (we are in the top 20 for size). Most cops, like most people just want to go to work and go home.
There are good cops, and I feel the majority fall under that category. Just like doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc... bad ones get through the cracks in all those professions. Ask any one in those professions if they know of any one in their office or network if there are members who shouldn't be there and they will probably say yes. I've yet to have one tell me no (that doesn't mean there aren't any out there that would). Now, if they are answering yes to that and they haven't done anything to get rid of that person are they not, per many of your opinions, 'bad apples' too? Perhaps you reading this falls under that hypocrisy as well.
Every year my department fires several dozen officers. This may be due to officer safety issues, too many personnel complaints (sustained) from the public, use of force violations, malingering, and a myriad of other reasons. I've never seen a 'whistleblower' get any kind of punishment, administratively. I have seen officers, and have been myself, iced out by fellow officers, though I've never not had back up show up to a call nor felt any unnecessary danger in doing my job. Generally guys would be butthurt a friend of theirs got in trouble but it blows over in a few weeks.

'Why don't good officers turn in the bad ones'?

I feel, and it's my opinion from 8 years of experience, that the good officers don't hang out with, nor witness, what the bad officers are doing. I admittedly know that it a weak argument but I'll try to explain. Think of your work bubble, if you work in a large office. How many people do you know, how many people's reputations do you know, and how many of those people do you work closely/socialize with? If you are able to have some control over who you work with do their reputations have an impact on that? I work, about 75% of the time with a group of 4 officers. I, through my performance reviews and reputation, was able to have some say in what unit I could join and who I'd be working with. All the members of my team have reputations within my department that are similar to mine. We don't take short cuts, we do our job, and we go home (I work with Neighborhood Security Watches about half the time and do homeless outreach and enforcement on community complaints the other half of the time, along with special projects here and there). The other 25% of my time is filling in on patrol for staff shortages and being a 'normal' cop.
When I'm doing the 'normal' cop thing I know who the officers are that I work with and they know me. Some will be nice, others just don't engage with me. And that's fine with me because I know their reputations. And here's the thing, bad cops don't like to work with good cops and the same is true reversed. What's the difference between the two: good cops, who I do believe are the majority, file their reports correctly and on time. They do their traffic stops per policy guidelines. They make checks of their beat to make sure abandoned cars are towed, they stop by businesses to say hi and see if they have any community concerns, they know, either by name or face, the homeless in their areas and attempt to build a rapport with them, or at least let my team know if they want shelter or social services or they see a new face. They make sure the traffic lights are working, the bus stops aren't cluttered, they know the problem houses and problem individuals and generally take pride in knowing what is happening in their area. They are just going about their shift until it is time for them to go home.
As for the bad/lazy cops: they go park and hide. They rarely do traffic stops, they don't know the neighborhood and they avoid areas where they may be flagged down for help or questions. They approach every contact as a problem, they work harder at cancelling a case than the amount of work it would take to just type it up, they avoid people because they don't want to be bothered, and they generally have the deescalation skills of a toddler. Not all of them are bad people, they just, like some people in every profession, are there for a paycheck and nothing else, even their actual job responsibilities. Of this group, the majority aren't going to cause problems, they just aren't that good at the job. But in this group you get the officers who want to 'be the man'. They may not be 'lazy' like some of the other bad cops, but any call that isn't a fight or in their mind a 'hero' moment is beneath them. These are the officers with the puffed out chest, believing everyone and everything is a threat and they are going to prove they are the toughest SOB on scene. They also, though, usually take shortcuts, forget key details, and rush through investigations that can lead to weak cases, public complaints, and lawsuits (though I seen enough lawsuits for incidents where every single policy and procedure was followed to know that they will happen no matter what).

Now why don't I, or officers like me do anything to get rid of these bad cops?

Let's go back to the other professions I mentioned above and whether or not the bad ones from those jobs were pushed out...from the people I've talked to they haven't. The reasons vary, but or comes down to the person I talk to doing their job and letting them do theirs. And it's similar to my experience. If a 'bad' cop gets sent to a case and I'm nearby, I will go and make sure the scene is safe, good cop or not, I don't want any of my coworkers to get hurt. But knowing that person's reputation, if the scene is safe and it's not a total shiatshow, I'm moving on to my next call or check, because I don't want my name of their report. Conversely if I'm off on a case and a 'bad' cop shows up, I'll tell them I'm good and don't need help, as I don't want their name on my reports either. It may come across as weak reasoning, but if I don't see it, I have nothing to report and I am not breaking any policy.
If there is no way to avoid working with someone like that I just need to make sure that I'm documenting, through my body cam and report, any actions that aren't being done per policy and report them to my supervisor, for if I don't I'm just as guilty of the policy violations as they are. After that it is on the supervisor, not me, to follow through with the complaint. And if the supervisor mishandles it at that point, our internal standards office, who must look at each complaint, may take action on him.
But these steps are done only if I see the violation, or have proof of a violation. If it's only rumors or hearsay, and I make the complaint and it's unfounded, then I can, and most likely will, face disciplinary action for making a false claim.
I know in my department guys face suspensions all the time for complaints brought about by other officers; improper labeling of evidence, late reports, incomplete reports and citations, forgetting to take photos, etc...are just some of the reasons guys have taken suspensions. It just doesn't make clickable headlines for news outlets "cop suspended without pay 1 day for forgetting mileage report" won't get a lot of clicks. And yes, all suspensions for behavior or negligence are unpaid at my department.

Now to ACAB, I don't have a problem with people who say it or believe it; many of them feel they were wronged by police at some point in their lives, or they don't like authority, or they truly believe police aren't needed. Whatever, it doesn't bother me for them to believe that. I do believe though that others have the same right to support law enforcement and the police. And you can fully agree with the message of BLM and other groups like that and support law enforcement; they don't need to be exclusive of each other. Holding law enforcement, or the protesters for that matter, accountable for their actions shouldn't take away from your support, it should actually strengthen that support.

It really is sad that 'reform' has such a negative connotation, as all businesses, including law enforcement, need to change with the times or get left behind. It sucks that 'reform' can't be changed to 'improvements', because that is what reforms should be viewed as. And hell, if I don't have to go to mental health, suicidal, or non criminal calls anymore, sign me up for those improvements (it's not that I don't care for the well being of people in those calls, I get only about 16 hours of training a year in those types of calls so it's not really fair for me or them to send me to those calls).

TL/DR: good cops outnumber bad cops; reforms are needed improvements, and shouldn't be viewed negatively.
 
2020-08-14 6:44:09 PM  
5 votes:

WTP 2: zombietheclown: WTP 2: ARE COPS ALL BAD ?

NO, THE ANSWER IS NO.

They are when they join together to defend when their colleagues commit heinous crimes.
They are when they cover / ignore their colleagues committing heinous crimes.
They are when they're represented by a union that will defend the most disgusting actions of its members.
They are when leadership fires officers from daring to cross "the blue line" to speak out against officers acting inappropriately

that also describes many groups
political
gangs
churches
klan


Every one of those is or includes entities that have been determined to be criminal enterprises under RICO.
 
2020-08-14 6:28:04 PM  
5 votes:

WTP 2: zombietheclown: WTP 2: ARE COPS ALL BAD ?

NO, THE ANSWER IS NO.

They are when they join together to defend when their colleagues commit heinous crimes.
They are when they cover / ignore their colleagues committing heinous crimes.
They are when they're represented by a union that will defend the most disgusting actions of its members.
They are when leadership fires officers from daring to cross "the blue line" to speak out against officers acting inappropriately

that also describes many groups
political
gangs
churches
klan


Correct, but only one of the above mentioned groups have the legal ability to pull you over for a made up reason, lie to you, take away your ability to continue on your way home to your family and maybe, if you give them enough of a hassle, flat-out kill you.  The icing on the cake is that because of the clout they hold, there's a decent possibility that they'll get paid time off for it and face zero consequences.
 
2020-08-14 3:52:10 PM  
5 votes:

asciibaron: Thunderboy: asciibaron: bluejeansonfire:
No police is better than barbaric murdering savage demon police, so it'll be worth it either way.

how many police officers are there in the US and how many citizens have been murdered by a police officer in the performance of their duty each year?

What are you suggesting is the acceptable number?

no, can you read?


Can you? You asked how many people are murdered by cops in performance of their duty, and I asked you how many such murders you considered to be acceptable. That query returns an integer, not a boolean.

It's sort of a trick question, though, so I can understand your confusion. There are a couple of clues in bold above. The answer is 0 (zero).

sorry, i meant civilian.  you can unbunch your underwear.

That doesn't change anything, as I also specified "civilian." Can you read?
 
2020-08-14 3:51:56 PM  
5 votes:

The_Sponge: ace in your face: The_Sponge: [Fark user image image 425x531]

Not only is this meme clearly racist (not shocked from the likes of you), but it also ignores the fact that police should be under a stronger obligation to protect people, with accountability,  than violent insane criminals who have not been called to do that job.

But regardless, why don't you put Tamir Rice in your racist meme?

It's not racist, but it says a lot about the media.


It only says a lot about the racists that share it as if it's some "gotcha"
 
2020-08-14 3:50:12 PM  
5 votes:

The_Sponge: [Fark user image image 425x531]


Weird I've seen this literally everywhere and the difference is the person was immediately apprehended and there isn't a multi million dollar funded crime organization trying to justify the shooting and get the person off. Anything to justify racism though, eh?
 
2020-08-14 3:49:39 PM  
5 votes:

The_Sponge: [Fark user image image 425x531]


Not only is this meme clearly racist (not shocked from the likes of you), but it also ignores the fact that police should be under a stronger obligation to protect people, with accountability,  than violent insane criminals who have not been called to do that job.

But regardless, why don't you put Tamir Rice in your racist meme?
 
2020-08-14 2:56:45 PM  
5 votes:

The_Sponge: whidbey: The_Sponge: Pushing out a black woman who served as Seattle's Chief of Police didn't help.

Dude, you know why she had to resign, don't be disingenuous.

I know exactly why....

And one of the main reasons was her pay cut...which meant that she would have made less than her white predecessor.


No you don't. You haven't mentioned "tear gas" in any of your posts.
 
2020-08-14 2:53:06 PM  
5 votes:
(From the top of this thread)

Yes, I know a cop. A close relative. He said Charlottesville "Both aides were wrong, but the liberals were more wrong".  The people who were run over and killed were more wrong than the guy who killed one and injured many others. Just...wow. He also has a Dave Grossman book on his coffee table.
 
2020-08-14 2:49:19 PM  
5 votes:

The_Sponge: Pushing out a black woman who served as Seattle's Chief of Police didn't help.


Dude, you know why she had to resign, don't be disingenuous.
 
2020-08-14 2:42:22 PM  
5 votes:

grimlock1972: FlyinS: The_Sponge: FlyinS: Well, they're not wrong.

Yes they are.

ACAB is an ignorant blanket statement.

Well, you're wrong.

Until good cops stop protecting bad cops he isn't wrong.


That's really the point of the acronym.

If you are enabling a system which murders unarmed black men, you are part of the problem and you should be pushing for whatever it takes to end that perception.
 
2020-08-14 2:32:16 PM  
5 votes:

FLMountainMan: whidbey: FLMountainMan: "I can't debate policy because then I have to deviate from my script".

Democrats can support police union reform without "dropping support."

You knew that was what i meant, right?

There we go!  73 comments in, and an ACAB supporter actually has a policy solution!  Good.


Because it's more or less considered universally that the police need to stop carrying the burden of anything other than keeping the peace and critical public safety needs.  Yet they're stuck dealing with shiat like homelessness and welfare issues that would be best handled by damn near anyone else routinely.

So, cut a decent amount of that funding so they only have the money to focus on their core mission and use that monetary difference to fund HUD, family services, SNAP, etc...
 
2020-08-14 2:20:10 PM  
5 votes:
If you want to see what places look like without police let me suggest you move to Darfur.
 
2020-08-14 2:19:32 PM  
5 votes:

KidKorporate: Hey let's try it.  No cops, no courts, no jails.  The situation will sort itself out eventually, but probably not in the manner you envisioned.


Yeah let's try making totally strawman arguments because you don't understand what "defund the police" means.
 
2020-08-14 2:18:14 PM  
5 votes:

djslowdive: I know the owner. Marched w/ him during a BLM march. He's good people.

/I'm sure some of you jerks will flame me for saying that.
//Don't care


So, how can he be the owner?  Shouldn't he give he means of production to the workers?  Black lives matter is something most everyone agrees with providing it's understood to not be exclusive.  "Black Lives Matter" is a Marxist organization, and is opposed to him.
 
2020-08-14 2:14:50 PM  
5 votes:

FLMountainMan: whidbey: FLMountainMan: "I can't debate policy because then I have to deviate from my script".

Democrats can support police union reform without "dropping support."

You knew that was what i meant, right?

There we go!  73 comments in, and an ACAB supporter actually has a policy solution!  Good.


I love how mad I make you.
 
2020-08-14 1:57:51 PM  
5 votes:

gar1013: There are plenty of other shiatty over-hopped craft brews to drink, so whatever.

Seriously, try some good beer from foreign countries, and then try your local craft brewery. Notice how many of the local people think the hops level needs to be turned to 11?

It's like garlic. People in the US overuse it to obscene levels compared to places like Italy.


I'm in the middle...Love my American IPAs and Czech pilsners.

And I need to say this again:

The trend of "juicy" IPAs needs to stop.
 
2020-08-14 1:57:17 PM  
5 votes:

winedrinkingman: I support the police.  That said having been a cop I can honestly say that the best thing you can do to support the police is to remove the bottom third of officers who are racist, violate people's rights, or who fail to live up to the moral obligations that we deserve from police.

By an amazing coincidence these also tend to be the dumbest guys in every department, who screw up other officers' investigations, sexually harasse the female staff, and escalate routine calls into dangerous confrontations for mot just the public, but also all the other cops.


And then there are the unions....
 
2020-08-14 1:55:31 PM  
5 votes:

JesseL: asciibaron: this sets up an interesting dilemma.  if people want Trump arrested and brought to justice for his crimes, that would require the police.  if all cops are bastards and they are part of an evil in the country, how will Trump get arrested for his crimes?

20/20 mad as a dog

All cops don't have to be bastards. It just happens that they currently are.

It's no great stretch to imagine current systems being replaced in function and employing people that aren't bastards.

Did you really think you had some kind of clever *gotcha* there?


So how do you think this will happen?  What's the game plan other than saying "cops R dicks HURHURHUR"?
 
2020-08-14 1:53:01 PM  
5 votes:

chaoswolf: special20: FTFA: "Around the country, several are brewing their own versions of a beer that shares a single label that reads "Black is Beautiful."

Craft Malt Liquor?

/runs away

Could just be a good stout.


That's exactly what it is. An imperial stout - original recipe provided by Weathered Souls. Couple of the local riffs I've had are outstanding.

https://blackisbeautiful.beer/
 
2020-08-14 1:46:23 PM  
5 votes:
IPA = If Pinecones were Alcohol:

preview.redd.itView Full Size
 
2020-08-14 9:53:21 PM  
4 votes:
Wow, this really brought the bootlickers in like racist moths to a flame.
 
2020-08-14 7:11:00 PM  
4 votes:
You want to know why so many of the bad cops get away with the shiat they do? The answer is simple. The higher levels of the chain of command. They seem to think that if they go after the bad cops that they will look bad on TV.  They are blind to the fact that they look worse when they defend the bad ones. Also, it seems that most of the time, once the cops get promoted to a certain level, that they have to drink the kool aid and become assholes. (or worse ones)

When the good cops try to call out the bad ones, (and it actually happens frequently, you just do not see it in the media) the good cops are generally threatened with discipline which is a horrible thing because they will be unlikely to get another job because even if they are totally wholesome, the story about them will not be. They will be made out the be worse than Manson. Cops have families to provide for just like everyone else. Take away their ability to provide for their children and it is a strong incentive to take the captain's advise to shut the fark up and suddenly remember that it was all a dream. It is not right. It is not justified. It is a poor system. And it is bad for everyone.

Another issue is that when the shiatheels get to a certain rank, their friends get a certain immunity. Suck the captain's dick (probably figuratively, but not always) and you pretty much get to do whatever you want.

Now, go ahead and flame away. I don't give a shiat.
 
2020-08-14 4:16:52 PM  
4 votes:
Friendly reminder that worrying about Nazis getting "censored" and condemning the exclusion of fascists from spaces as "fascist censorship" is called "sympathizing with Nazis" and is rightfully frowned upon in most communities.
 
2020-08-14 4:15:36 PM  
4 votes:

CheekyMonkey: whidbey: CheekyMonkey: To be fair, "defund the police" is a dumb slogan.

Low-information persons will always build a strawman based on the most simplistic meaning of the words.

I love this suggestion that we should always dumb everything down so the dumbassess won't get mad.

Like people whose minds are already made up are going to get a clue somehow.

And yet, you're complaining about someone not understanding "the real meaning" of "defund the police".

/KISS is an excellent guiding principle


"Defund the police" is simple.

You want us to kiss right wing ass and dumb everything down in the hope that they might respond in good faith argument.

Let me laugh harder.
 
2020-08-14 2:59:39 PM  
4 votes:

inglixthemad: Gunner's Mate First Class Phillip Asshole: Dempster wrote, "if it means someone won't buy my beer anymore, good. The beer was not created for them. I make my beer for folks who are actively anti-racist, anti-Trump, anti-fascist and pro-equality."

Damn I don't drink beer but I may have to find some to support this kind of stand.

I can see the conservatives losing their shiat already...

"THE OFFICIAL BEER OF ANTIFA!"

Hopefully they have insurance on their property, and can protect themselves as well. Conservative snowflakes don't like it when people stand up.


By "stand up" do you mean assault, battery, vandalism, and looting?
 
2020-08-14 2:51:02 PM  
4 votes:

whidbey: KidKorporate: Hey let's try it.  No cops, no courts, no jails.  The situation will sort itself out eventually, but probably not in the manner you envisioned.

Yeah let's try making totally strawman arguments because you don't understand what "defund the police" means.


To be fair, "defund the police" is a dumb slogan.  Low-information persons will always build a strawman based on the most simplistic meaning of the words.  The subtleties of the movement are forever lost to them.
 
2020-08-14 2:25:26 PM  
4 votes:

FLMountainMan: whidbey: winedrinkingman: I support the police.  That said having been a cop I can honestly say that the best thing you can do to support the police is to remove the bottom third of officers who are racist, violate people's rights, or who fail to live up to the moral obligations that we deserve from police.

By an amazing coincidence these also tend to be the dumbest guys in every department, who screw up other officers' investigations, sexually harasse the female staff, and escalate routine calls into dangerous confrontations for mot just the public, but also all the other cops.

And then there are the unions....

The unions enable them.  I would suggest that for this field, Democrats should drop their support of unions.


There's no reason the police should have a union.  It's the only consistently bad union.
 
2020-08-14 2:23:19 PM  
4 votes:

asciibaron: bluejeansonfire:
No police is better than barbaric murdering savage demon police, so it'll be worth it either way.

how many police officers are there in the US and how many citizens have been murdered by a police officer in the performance of their duty each year?


What are you suggesting is the acceptable number?
 
2020-08-14 2:22:38 PM  
4 votes:

zippyZRX: If you want to see what places look like without police let me suggest you move to Darfur.


Libertarian paradises?  Like Somalia?
 
2020-08-14 2:16:57 PM  
4 votes:
Stunt to get stoopid people to by their shiatty beer.
 
2020-08-14 2:16:47 PM  
4 votes:
Hey let's try it.  No cops, no courts, no jails.  The situation will sort itself out eventually, but probably not in the manner you envisioned.
 
2020-08-14 2:07:50 PM  
4 votes:

the voice of raisin: ace in your face: asciibaron: this sets up an interesting dilemma.  if people want Trump arrested and brought to justice for his crimes, that would require the police.  if all cops are bastards and they are part of an evil in the country, how will Trump get arrested for his crimes?

20/20 mad as a dog

It's adorable you think police have anything to do with whether or not Trump will be arrested.

Ahh, I sense a Pro 2A-vigilante justice type here.

seems like you and the NRA might have a lot in common


Trump has already admitted crimes in front of the whole world and exactly jack shiat happened to him. Additionally, the Attorney General of the US is quite clearly corrupt and protecting him. There is no way any cop, local or federal, is going to touch Donald Trump. Thinking otherwise is a pipe dream
 
2020-08-14 1:59:47 PM  
4 votes:

Begoggle: JesseL: asciibaron: this sets up an interesting dilemma.  if people want Trump arrested and brought to justice for his crimes, that would require the police.  if all cops are bastards and they are part of an evil in the country, how will Trump get arrested for his crimes?

20/20 mad as a dog

All cops don't have to be bastards. It just happens that they currently are.

It's no great stretch to imagine current systems being replaced in function and employing people that aren't bastards.

Did you really think you had some kind of clever *gotcha* there?

But if they were truly evil, wouldn't they just let all the actual criminals go free, 100% of the time?
Also, Hitler was nice to dogs! And made the trains run on time! If he was really evil, would he do that??


They do let the actual criminals go free, as long as the criminals wear a badge while the commit crimes. How many cops have been arrested for the murder of Breonna Taylor? How many cops have been arrested for participating in the Lafayette Square Police Riot? How many cops have been arrested for the abduction of protesters on the streets of Portland?
 
2020-08-14 1:59:47 PM  
4 votes:

whidbey: winedrinkingman: I support the police.  That said having been a cop I can honestly say that the best thing you can do to support the police is to remove the bottom third of officers who are racist, violate people's rights, or who fail to live up to the moral obligations that we deserve from police.

By an amazing coincidence these also tend to be the dumbest guys in every department, who screw up other officers' investigations, sexually harasse the female staff, and escalate routine calls into dangerous confrontations for mot just the public, but also all the other cops.

And then there are the unions....


The unions enable them.  I would suggest that for this field, Democrats should drop their support of unions.
 
2020-08-14 1:56:52 PM  
4 votes:

FLMountainMan: JesseL: asciibaron: this sets up an interesting dilemma.  if people want Trump arrested and brought to justice for his crimes, that would require the police.  if all cops are bastards and they are part of an evil in the country, how will Trump get arrested for his crimes?

20/20 mad as a dog

All cops don't have to be bastards. It just happens that they currently are.

It's no great stretch to imagine current systems being replaced in function and employing people that aren't bastards.

Did you really think you had some kind of clever *gotcha* there?

So how do you think this will happen?  What's the game plan other than saying "cops R dicks HURHURHUR"?


It's not going to happen on Fark.
Defending them on Fark isn't going to help protect them, either, Mr. Mountain Man.
 
2020-08-15 12:34:11 AM  
3 votes:

austerity101: Reform hasn't worked.  You've had 200 years to get your shiat in order.


You're right, but in the 8 years I've been in my department we've instituted zero-tolerance for officer involved DUIs, physical domestic violence incidents, and use of force violations. We've taken out neck restraints from our use of force, mandated body cams, and even though our budget has been cut, have introduced a crisis response team and a community homeless team that works exclusively with our area's social service providers to re-direct homeless individuals that are repeat offenders for minor crimes and other violations. So, I can't speak to the previous 192 years, but I feel we've made some progress.

Look, I know that no one's beliefs are going to change because of some comment on a message board, but I try to look at most main stream media outlets, smaller niche outlets like TheRoot and others like it, liberal and conservative, and read people's comments, especially those that are different from mine to learn and see where the other side is coming from. I'm not perfect, you're not perfect, and no matter the system, it will never be perfect. I'm just trying to do the best I can in my own little area.
 
2020-08-15 12:15:50 AM  
3 votes:

The_Sponge: inglixthemad: The_Sponge: inglixthemad: The_Sponge: inglixthemad: Gunner's Mate First Class Phillip Asshole: Dempster wrote, "if it means someone won't buy my beer anymore, good. The beer was not created for them. I make my beer for folks who are actively anti-racist, anti-Trump, anti-fascist and pro-equality."

Damn I don't drink beer but I may have to find some to support this kind of stand.

I can see the conservatives losing their shiat already...

"THE OFFICIAL BEER OF ANTIFA!"

Hopefully they have insurance on their property, and can protect themselves as well. Conservative snowflakes don't like it when people stand up.

By "stand up" do you mean assault, battery, vandalism, and looting?

You mean those beers are guilty of assault, battery, vandalism, and looting? Wow. That couple has some mad skillz.

You said "when people stand up".

There are beers that have kicked my ass, but I didn't feel it until the next morning.

I know conservatives hate to admit it, but the those opposing them are people as well. Just because you don't like the couple's stand on the beer they make doesn't mean you get to marginalize them as not being people.

1) I'm not marginalizing anyone.

2) My local beer shop continues to sell their beer, and I'm still going to remain a customer.  I just won't buy that brand.

/Had their beers in the past.
//And even before this happened, I preferred other brands.


Yes you did. The couple stood up, put their money where their mouth / beliefs are, and you compared them to criminal boogaloos filling up molotovs. That's disingenuous and dehumanizing, which is par for the conservative playbook.
 
2020-08-14 10:52:04 PM  
3 votes:
and for all the picking on i got, no one said that cops fit the "gang" checklist...
same colors
carry weapons
hang out in groups
have a territory to protect

/we are supposed to come here for a laugh at anything, no matter what.
//as many have guessed i am pro cop, so
///i have gotten tickets, i deserved them. i was speeding. i did not question why i was getting them.
 
2020-08-14 9:54:26 PM  
3 votes:

stuffy: Brewer "Help we're being robbed".
911 "Sorry all the bastards say they're busy.


At least your dog doesn't get shot and killed when they show up several hours later and are useless.

Cops have no legal obligation to save you from peril.  None whatsoever.
 
2020-08-14 8:57:49 PM  
3 votes:
Brewer "Help we're being robbed".
911 "Sorry all the bastards say they're busy.
 
2020-08-14 8:07:33 PM  
3 votes:

FLMountainMan: JesseL: asciibaron: this sets up an interesting dilemma.  if people want Trump arrested and brought to justice for his crimes, that would require the police.  if all cops are bastards and they are part of an evil in the country, how will Trump get arrested for his crimes?

20/20 mad as a dog

All cops don't have to be bastards. It just happens that they currently are.

It's no great stretch to imagine current systems being replaced in function and employing people that aren't bastards.

Did you really think you had some kind of clever *gotcha* there?

So how do you think this will happen?  What's the game plan other than saying "cops R dicks HURHURHUR"?


Typically people who fark up get fired.  If the cops threaten to take out the pols and citizens who try to make this happen, society is justified in setting up an alternative force, and meeting cop force with counterforce if necessary.

Most people in Muricuh have cheered on Clint Eastwood's characters as they take out the local gang of goons; they know what to do.  All they need are guts.
 
2020-08-14 6:26:20 PM  
3 votes:

WTP 2: zombietheclown: WTP 2: ARE COPS ALL BAD ?

NO, THE ANSWER IS NO.

They are when they join together to defend when their colleagues commit heinous crimes.
They are when they cover / ignore their colleagues committing heinous crimes.
They are when they're represented by a union that will defend the most disgusting actions of its members.
They are when leadership fires officers from daring to cross "the blue line" to speak out against officers acting inappropriately

that also describes many groups
political
gangs
churches
klan


Which we're a) not talking about

b)  nice deflection
 
2020-08-14 5:54:49 PM  
3 votes:
ARE COPS ALL BAD ?

NO, THE ANSWER IS NO.
 
2020-08-14 4:11:26 PM  
3 votes:

The_Sponge: JesseL: The_Sponge: JesseL: The_Sponge: [Fark user image 425x531]

Was that shooter an agent of the state, given qualified immunity, and immediately defended by... anyone?

Did people immediately start digging into the child's past to figure out why he probably deserved to get shot?

No, but it was probably a hate crime.

If there's any evidence of that, I'm sure it will be prosecuted as such.

But so what? People commit all kinds of hate crimes all the time and it usually makes some kind of news.

Are you upset that there aren't massive protests against that guy? They got him. He'll probably go to prison for a long time.

Nobody was even sure that George Floyd's murderers would even be arrested after they were recorded in the act. Lots of people still think they should go free, because they think cops should literally get away with anything.

I'm with you on that...they should not be let free.


So what point was the image supposed to make? There's no equivalency whatsoever. All it looks like is "Hey people got all upset about this black guy, but not this white kid. Reverse racism!!!1".

It's not a good look.
 
2020-08-14 4:05:36 PM  
3 votes:

The_Sponge: JesseL: The_Sponge: [Fark user image 425x531]

Was that shooter an agent of the state, given qualified immunity, and immediately defended by... anyone?

Did people immediately start digging into the child's past to figure out why he probably deserved to get shot?

No, but it was probably a hate crime.


If there's any evidence of that, I'm sure it will be prosecuted as such.

But so what? People commit all kinds of hate crimes all the time and it usually makes some kind of news.

Are you upset that there aren't massive protests against that guy? They got him. He'll probably go to prison for a long time.

Nobody was even sure that George Floyd's murderers would even be arrested after they were recorded in the act. Lots of people still think they should go free, because they think cops should literally get away with anything.
 
2020-08-14 3:51:42 PM  
3 votes:

The_Sponge: ace in your face: The_Sponge: [Fark user image image 425x531]

Not only is this meme clearly racist (not shocked from the likes of you), but it also ignores the fact that police should be under a stronger obligation to protect people, with accountability,  than violent insane criminals who have not been called to do that job.

But regardless, why don't you put Tamir Rice in your racist meme?

It's not racist, but it says a lot about the media.


It is racist. It's using a black man as a prop against a white boy instead of facing the reality that murders are committed every day.
 
2020-08-14 3:13:25 PM  
3 votes:

The_Sponge: inglixthemad: The_Sponge: inglixthemad: Gunner's Mate First Class Phillip Asshole: Dempster wrote, "if it means someone won't buy my beer anymore, good. The beer was not created for them. I make my beer for folks who are actively anti-racist, anti-Trump, anti-fascist and pro-equality."

Damn I don't drink beer but I may have to find some to support this kind of stand.

I can see the conservatives losing their shiat already...

"THE OFFICIAL BEER OF ANTIFA!"

Hopefully they have insurance on their property, and can protect themselves as well. Conservative snowflakes don't like it when people stand up.

By "stand up" do you mean assault, battery, vandalism, and looting?

You mean those beers are guilty of assault, battery, vandalism, and looting? Wow. That couple has some mad skillz.

You said "when people stand up".

There are beers that have kicked my ass, but I didn't feel it until the next morning.


I know conservatives hate to admit it, but the those opposing them are people as well. Just because you don't like the couple's stand on the beer they make doesn't mean you get to marginalize them as not being people.
 
2020-08-14 3:13:18 PM  
3 votes:

The_Sponge: inglixthemad: Gunner's Mate First Class Phillip Asshole: Dempster wrote, "if it means someone won't buy my beer anymore, good. The beer was not created for them. I make my beer for folks who are actively anti-racist, anti-Trump, anti-fascist and pro-equality."

Damn I don't drink beer but I may have to find some to support this kind of stand.

I can see the conservatives losing their shiat already...

"THE OFFICIAL BEER OF ANTIFA!"

Hopefully they have insurance on their property, and can protect themselves as well. Conservative snowflakes don't like it when people stand up.

By "stand up" do you mean assault, battery, vandalism, and looting?


Yes, the cops are engaging in all of those activities.
 
2020-08-14 3:03:45 PM  
3 votes:

The_Sponge: inglixthemad: Gunner's Mate First Class Phillip Asshole: Dempster wrote, "if it means someone won't buy my beer anymore, good. The beer was not created for them. I make my beer for folks who are actively anti-racist, anti-Trump, anti-fascist and pro-equality."

Damn I don't drink beer but I may have to find some to support this kind of stand.

I can see the conservatives losing their shiat already...

"THE OFFICIAL BEER OF ANTIFA!"

Hopefully they have insurance on their property, and can protect themselves as well. Conservative snowflakes don't like it when people stand up.

By "stand up" do you mean assault, battery, vandalism, and looting?


You mean those beers are guilty of assault, battery, vandalism, and looting? Wow. That couple has some mad skillz.
 
2020-08-14 2:29:57 PM  
3 votes:

The_Sponge: FlyinS: Well, they're not wrong.

Yes they are.

ACAB is an ignorant blanket statement.


I love you like a brother from another mother. I'd like to gently suggest that while there may be one or two good hearts in uniform, American policing by in large is farked.
 
2020-08-14 2:13:50 PM  
3 votes:
bluejeansonfire:
No police is better than barbaric murdering savage demon police, so it'll be worth it either way.

how many police officers are there in the US and how many citizens have been murdered by a police officer in the performance of their duty each year?
 
2020-08-14 2:12:42 PM  
3 votes:

whidbey: FLMountainMan: "I can't debate policy because then I have to deviate from my script".

Democrats can support police union reform without "dropping support."

You knew that was what i meant, right?


There we go!  73 comments in, and an ACAB supporter actually has a policy solution!  Good.
 
2020-08-14 2:10:04 PM  
3 votes:

FLMountainMan: JesseL: asciibaron: this sets up an interesting dilemma.  if people want Trump arrested and brought to justice for his crimes, that would require the police.  if all cops are bastards and they are part of an evil in the country, how will Trump get arrested for his crimes?

20/20 mad as a dog

All cops don't have to be bastards. It just happens that they currently are.

It's no great stretch to imagine current systems being replaced in function and employing people that aren't bastards.

Did you really think you had some kind of clever *gotcha* there?

So how do you think this will happen?  What's the game plan other than saying "cops R dicks HURHURHUR"?


https://www.versobooks.com/books/2426​-​the-end-of-policing
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2020-08-14 2:03:15 PM  
3 votes:

whidbey: FLMountainMan: whidbey: winedrinkingman: I support the police.  That said having been a cop I can honestly say that the best thing you can do to support the police is to remove the bottom third of officers who are racist, violate people's rights, or who fail to live up to the moral obligations that we deserve from police.

By an amazing coincidence these also tend to be the dumbest guys in every department, who screw up other officers' investigations, sexually harasse the female staff, and escalate routine calls into dangerous confrontations for mot just the public, but also all the other cops.

And then there are the unions....

The unions enable them.  I would suggest that for this field, Democrats should drop their support of unions.

I would suggest you not twist comments by putting them through your Democrat Hate Machine, but you wouldn't be you, now would you?


I don't even know what that's supposed to mean other than "I can't debate policy because then I have to deviate from my script".
 
2020-08-14 1:52:11 PM  
3 votes:

ace in your face: asciibaron: this sets up an interesting dilemma.  if people want Trump arrested and brought to justice for his crimes, that would require the police.  if all cops are bastards and they are part of an evil in the country, how will Trump get arrested for his crimes?

20/20 mad as a dog

It's adorable you think police have anything to do with whether or not Trump will be arrested.


the FBI are police.  you know that, right?
 
2020-08-14 1:50:09 PM  
3 votes:
Haha, it would be Chucks. Good for them.
 
2020-08-14 1:48:05 PM  
3 votes:
this sets up an interesting dilemma.  if people want Trump arrested and brought to justice for his crimes, that would require the police.  if all cops are bastards and they are part of an evil in the country, how will Trump get arrested for his crimes?

20/20 mad as a dog
 
2020-08-14 1:26:32 PM  
3 votes:

FLMountainMan: Sounds like I know which brewery to burglarize in Seattle.


I LOL'd.
 
2020-08-14 10:19:01 PM  
2 votes:

rigo412: TL/DR: good cops outnumber bad cops; reforms are needed improvements, and shouldn't be viewed negatively.


Reform hasn't worked.  You've had 200 years to get your shiat in order.
 
2020-08-14 9:59:02 PM  
2 votes:

austerity101: stuffy: Brewer "Help we're being robbed".
911 "Sorry all the bastards say they're busy.

At least your dog doesn't get shot and killed when they show up several hours later and are useless.

Cops have no legal obligation to save you from peril.  None whatsoever.


Roll up and shoot whoever's black.  Apparently that's the flowchart.
 
2020-08-14 9:01:47 PM  
2 votes:

gar1013: It's like garlic. People in the US overuse it to obscene levels compared to places like Italy.


You shut your whore mouth right now.
 
2020-08-14 6:25:42 PM  
2 votes:

fanbladesaresharp: Peter Weyland: I had heard it is as "All Cops are Bad", but either way, the message is true.

As has been said many times before: There are good cops and bad cops, the problem is that bad cops look like good cops until its too late.  So, you must assume they are all bad until they prove otherwise.

So guilty until proven innocent is preferable? Do you also feel the same way about our criminal justice system?


Are you being this dense on purpose?

[The brewer] might want to be informed that ACAB has roots in the white skinheads crowd.

So all skinheads are white nationalists?  Didn't you just give somebody shiat about "guilty until proven innocent?"
 
2020-08-14 6:18:50 PM  
2 votes:

zombietheclown: WTP 2: ARE COPS ALL BAD ?

NO, THE ANSWER IS NO.

They are when they join together to defend when their colleagues commit heinous crimes.
They are when they cover / ignore their colleagues committing heinous crimes.
They are when they're represented by a union that will defend the most disgusting actions of its members.
They are when leadership fires officers from daring to cross "the blue line" to speak out against officers acting inappropriately


that also describes many groups
political
gangs
churches
klan
 
2020-08-14 4:10:55 PM  
2 votes:

KidKorporate: ace in your face: KidKorporate: Hey let's try it.  No cops, no courts, no jails.  The situation will sort itself out eventually, but probably not in the manner you envisioned.

It's almost like that's not actually the solution being proposed and this is just the saddest strawman argument I ever saw

/if you only had a brain

I think you misunderstand. I fully acknowledge that all those systems are corrupt, however they won't be fixed by merely defunding or reallocating money.


Fire 'em all and make 'em re-apply for the position.
 
2020-08-14 3:58:07 PM  
2 votes:

Thunderboy: FlyinS: The_Sponge: ace in your face: The_Sponge: [Fark user image image 425x531]

Not only is this meme clearly racist (not shocked from the likes of you), but it also ignores the fact that police should be under a stronger obligation to protect people, with accountability,  than violent insane criminals who have not been called to do that job.

But regardless, why don't you put Tamir Rice in your racist meme?

It's not racist, but it says a lot about the media.

It only says a lot about the racists that share it as if it's some "gotcha"

You must understand, racists are not intelligent people.


Agreed.  And thankfully, I'm not racist.
 
2020-08-14 3:55:40 PM  
2 votes:

The_Sponge: [Fark user image 425x531]


What is your point here?
 
2020-08-14 3:50:41 PM  
2 votes:

ace in your face: The_Sponge: [Fark user image image 425x531]

Not only is this meme clearly racist (not shocked from the likes of you), but it also ignores the fact that police should be under a stronger obligation to protect people, with accountability,  than violent insane criminals who have not been called to do that job.

But regardless, why don't you put Tamir Rice in your racist meme?


It's not racist, but it says a lot about the media.
 
2020-08-14 3:35:02 PM  
2 votes:

FlyinS: The_Sponge: FlyinS: The_Sponge: inglixthemad: Gunner's Mate First Class Phillip Asshole: Dempster wrote, "if it means someone won't buy my beer anymore, good. The beer was not created for them. I make my beer for folks who are actively anti-racist, anti-Trump, anti-fascist and pro-equality."

Damn I don't drink beer but I may have to find some to support this kind of stand.

I can see the conservatives losing their shiat already...

"THE OFFICIAL BEER OF ANTIFA!"

Hopefully they have insurance on their property, and can protect themselves as well. Conservative snowflakes don't like it when people stand up.

By "stand up" do you mean assault, battery, vandalism, and looting?

Yes, the cops are engaging in all of those activities.

And what about the other side?  They were doing all those things in Seattle....attacking businesses that my had NOTHING to do with George Floyd.

Childish whataboutism notwithstanding, maybe you can let me know where those people are our paid employees charged with being peace officers of the law?

https://youtu.be/sb9_qGOa9Go

No argument would suffice for you, it doesn't taste like cop boot enough to satisfy you. Also your friend in the PD is just as bad as any of them.


Wow...judging a person without even knowing a single thing about him.  How ignorant.
 
2020-08-14 3:31:18 PM  
2 votes:
I'm not going to do this because I don't fancy a trip to the hospital but I have a huge desire to wander through Seattle and add AB to the start of all the ACAB graffiti.
 
2020-08-14 3:24:03 PM  
2 votes:

FlyinS: The_Sponge: inglixthemad: Gunner's Mate First Class Phillip Asshole: Dempster wrote, "if it means someone won't buy my beer anymore, good. The beer was not created for them. I make my beer for folks who are actively anti-racist, anti-Trump, anti-fascist and pro-equality."

Damn I don't drink beer but I may have to find some to support this kind of stand.

I can see the conservatives losing their shiat already...

"THE OFFICIAL BEER OF ANTIFA!"

Hopefully they have insurance on their property, and can protect themselves as well. Conservative snowflakes don't like it when people stand up.

By "stand up" do you mean assault, battery, vandalism, and looting?

Yes, the cops are engaging in all of those activities.


And what about the other side?  They were doing all those things in Seattle....attacking businesses that my had NOTHING to do with George Floyd.
 
2020-08-14 2:47:07 PM  
2 votes:

whidbey: grimlock1972: FlyinS: The_Sponge: FlyinS: Well, they're not wrong.

Yes they are.

ACAB is an ignorant blanket statement.

Well, you're wrong.

Until good cops stop protecting bad cops he isn't wrong.

That's really the point of the acronym.

If you are enabling a system which murders unarmed black men, you are part of the problem and you should be pushing for whatever it takes to end that perception.


Pushing out a black woman who served as Seattle's Chief of Police didn't help.
 
2020-08-14 2:40:33 PM  
2 votes:

Uncontrolled_Jibe: "Black Lives Matter"


Hmmmm, I went to their official website and did a search for "Marx" and "Marxism" and there were zero results. So, much like your orange menace, you're full of shiat.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/search/ma​rxism/
https://blacklivesmatter.com/search/ma​rx/
 
2020-08-14 2:21:49 PM  
2 votes:

JesseL: The_Sponge: JesseL: The_Sponge: And if all cops are bastards, then I hope you guys "keep it real" and never call 911 for a situation that would usually call for law enforcement.

What situation would that be? Any emergency I could have will either be better handled by someone else or it will be over before anyone else can get there. I don't need people with guns to save me, I've got a huge stack of my own.

If I call it will only be because my insurance wants a copy of a police report.

What situation?

Witnessing an assault, rape, burglary, hit and run accident, serious road rage, etc.

And you already know that I am pro-Second Amendment AF, but the reality is that I don't carry most days, and even if I did, there would still be situations where I would still call 911 and ask for law enforcement.

Every one of those situations I'd either help myself, or it's just not worth the chance that the police would make it worse. There's none of them they'd actually make better.


Every one of those would be over before anyone got there also, as you previously stated. I know he thinks all those would be just like in the 10000 cop fetish shows on tv where they heroically swoop in to save the day in the nick of time.
 
2020-08-14 2:13:06 PM  
2 votes:

IKillBugs: Bravo to them, but I prefer Saison style beers. I feel hops have become a crutch. Just add an ass load of hops to any shiatty beer, and you can sell it. Hard pass.


Haven't tried one of those yet. Maybe I should.

I'm a hardcore fan of Münchner Helles and Kölsch myself.
 
2020-08-14 2:09:30 PM  
2 votes:

winedrinkingman: I support the police.  That said having been a cop I can honestly say that the best thing you can do to support the police is to remove the bottom third of officers who are racist, violate people's rights, or who fail to live up to the moral obligations that we deserve from police.

By an amazing coincidence these also tend to be the dumbest guys in every department, who screw up other officers' investigations, sexually harasse the female staff, and escalate routine calls into dangerous confrontations for mot just the public, but also all the other cops.


"bottom third"
 
2020-08-14 2:08:45 PM  
2 votes:

FLMountainMan: "I can't debate policy because then I have to deviate from my script".


Democrats can support police union reform without "dropping support."

You knew that was what i meant, right?
 
2020-08-14 1:58:50 PM  
2 votes:

Begoggle: FLMountainMan: JesseL: asciibaron: this sets up an interesting dilemma.  if people want Trump arrested and brought to justice for his crimes, that would require the police.  if all cops are bastards and they are part of an evil in the country, how will Trump get arrested for his crimes?

20/20 mad as a dog

All cops don't have to be bastards. It just happens that they currently are.

It's no great stretch to imagine current systems being replaced in function and employing people that aren't bastards.

Did you really think you had some kind of clever *gotcha* there?

So how do you think this will happen?  What's the game plan other than saying "cops R dicks HURHURHUR"?

It's not going to happen on Fark.
Defending them on Fark isn't going to help protect them, either, Mr. Mountain Man.


And attacking them on Fark isn't going to get us to your cop-free nirvana either?  So again - what specific ideas do you have to reform the system?  I think step one is to prohibit unionized law enforcement, or bar certain employment protections in union contracts.
 
2020-08-14 1:55:14 PM  
2 votes:

fragMasterFlash: I tend to give a hallpass to the older seemingly mellow cops but I can't stand the skinhead ex-mil cops with Punisher tats and an agressive "come at me, bro" attitude in every situation. I suppose I should quit giving the former a pass since they seem perfectly fine with the latter.


t = (1/n [h]) * 1/s

t = trustworthiness of the cop
n = diameter of their neck
h = length of their hair
s = number of skull decals/tats/patches

Hard to calculate while pulling over AND emptying your beer out the window, but it's a sound forumla.
 
2020-08-14 1:53:19 PM  
2 votes:
They wont stay in businesses for long...
 
2020-08-14 1:52:09 PM  
2 votes:

Petey4335: FLMountainMan: Sounds like I know which brewery to burglarize in Seattle.

So what you are saying is the police have discriminatory practices? And you are ok with this?


The joke was intended either way you want it.  You can clutch your pearls and admire my brave statement that the fascist corrupt cops would intentionally let this place burn to the ground, or you can smugly cheer at the idea that cops wouldn't bother to do their damn hob and let the owner get what he deserves.  I don't care either way.  Your opinion isn't going to change.

Now, if I were to say that I know the brewery to walk into while open carrying, order a pint of ACAB beer and piss all over the place as I did it, you might infer that I'm making a statement that police are a necessary evil and that you'd be better off trying to make realistic changes (like making them easier to fire (i.e., abolish police unions), paying them more to attract better candidates, and focus on recruiting more minorities) than demonizing and defunding them so that the quality of officer deteriorates.

Getting rid of all police is stupid and unrealistic and usually said by people who never have a need for their services.
 
2020-08-15 2:38:07 AM  
1 vote:

rigo412: austerity101: Reform hasn't worked.  You've had 200 years to get your shiat in order.

You're right, but in the 8 years I've been in my department we've instituted zero-tolerance for officer involved DUIs, physical domestic violence incidents, and use of force violations. We've taken out neck restraints from our use of force, mandated body cams, and even though our budget has been cut, have introduced a crisis response team and a community homeless team that works exclusively with our area's social service providers to re-direct homeless individuals that are repeat offenders for minor crimes and other violations. So, I can't speak to the previous 192 years, but I feel we've made some progress.

Look, I know that no one's beliefs are going to change because of some comment on a message board, but I try to look at most main stream media outlets, smaller niche outlets like TheRoot and others like it, liberal and conservative, and read people's comments, especially those that are different from mine to learn and see where the other side is coming from. I'm not perfect, you're not perfect, and no matter the system, it will never be perfect. I'm just trying to do the best I can in my own little area.


And your efforts are appreciated. Thank you.
 
2020-08-15 1:52:26 AM  
1 vote:
his facebook page looks like his mugshot...
 
2020-08-15 12:37:57 AM  
1 vote:

zombietheclown: WTP 2: ARE COPS ALL BAD ?

NO, THE ANSWER IS NO.

They are when they join together to defend when their colleagues commit heinous crimes.
They are when they cover / ignore their colleagues committing heinous crimes.
They are when they're represented by a union that will defend the most disgusting actions of its members.
They are when leadership fires officers from daring to cross "the blue line" to speak out against officers acting inappropriately


Sounds like the teachers union... I wonder what they have in common?
 
2020-08-15 12:16:47 AM  
1 vote:

austerity101: stuffy: Brewer "Help we're being robbed".
911 "Sorry all the bastards say they're busy.

At least your dog doesn't get shot and killed when they show up several hours later and are useless.

Cops have no legal obligation to save you from peril.  None whatsoever.


Fair enough.  Then gun grabbers need to STFU.
 
2020-08-14 8:47:58 PM  
1 vote:

Flragnararch: amateur hour, can't even put his offensive message on the label

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Turns out there's some really long history of really weird case law behind the naughty beer names of the late-2010s.

It's clear that "Reno as Fark" is not disparaging towards the city of Reno - anyone trying to argue the other side would haul the folks at Revision Brewing into discovery only to be disappointed by tons of documentation demonstrating that "Hey, this is sort of a slogan Renoites have adopted for themselves in celebration of their city, why not make a beer that's part of it?"

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The tl;dr: Ever since Iancu v. Brunetti said (on the matter of FRKT T-shirts) it also didn't matter whether it was "scandalous" or "immoral" even if it wasn't nondisparaging (which "Reno as Fark" isn't), it's likely that governmental restrictions on naughty words in beer labels are just as unconstitutional, so for the past few years brewers have been free to name their beers whatever the fark they like, and if the government has a problem with it, they'll probably prevail in court.
 
2020-08-14 6:12:23 PM  
1 vote:

Peter Weyland: I had heard it is as "All Cops are Bad", but either way, the message is true.

As has been said many times before: There are good cops and bad cops, the problem is that bad cops look like good cops until its too late.  So, you must assume they are all bad until they prove otherwise.


So guilty until proven innocent is preferable? Do you also feel the same way about our criminal justice system?
 
2020-08-14 5:56:32 PM  
1 vote:

Flragnararch: amateur hour, can't even put his offensive message on the label

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What's offensive is that beer is under 6%.
 
2020-08-14 5:48:21 PM  
1 vote:
amateur hour, can't even put his offensive message on the label

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2020-08-14 5:15:15 PM  
1 vote:

ace in your face: The_Sponge: ace in your face: The_Sponge: [Fark user image image 425x531]

Not only is this meme clearly racist (not shocked from the likes of you), but it also ignores the fact that police should be under a stronger obligation to protect people, with accountability,  than violent insane criminals who have not been called to do that job.

But regardless, why don't you put Tamir Rice in your racist meme?

It's not racist, but it says a lot about the media.

It is racist. It's using a black man as a prop against a white boy instead of facing the reality that murders are committed every day.


Would it make you feel better if the victim depicted was an African-American, and the perpetrator was left as a question mark due to nobody willing to come forward to identify the killer?
 
2020-08-14 5:10:34 PM  
1 vote:

CheekyMonkey: gar1013: There are plenty of other shiatty over-hopped craft brews to drink, so whatever.

Seriously, try some good beer from foreign countries, and then try your local craft brewery. Notice how many of the local people think the hops level needs to be turned to 11?

Don't like hops?  Then don't drink *those styles of beer that are highly-hopped*.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know  that if you order and IPA, the flavor is going to be hop-forward.  And, many craft breweries put the hop level (in IBUs) right on the goddamn label, so it's pretty easy to pick a beer that you'll likely enjoy.  But you go on and keep railing against "overhopping" as if it isn't an easily-avoided non-issue.

It's like garlic. People in the US overuse it to obscene levels compared to places like Italy.

Suck it.  I love garlic.  I'll use as much of it as I want.  Who cares how much "they" use in "places like Italy".  There are plenty of cuisines which historically use lots more garlic than Italy.  Regions in India and China come to mind.

Your entire post is <stoplikingwhatIdon'tlike.jpg>


You sound like an overly bitter craft brewer.

Even non-IPAs are over hopped in most cases.

As for garlic, I'm sorry your taste buds are so dysfunctional as to require you to overpower food with garlic.

Over using hops and garlic ranks up there with putting ranch on everything. It's just grotesque and proof of the idea that just because you can doesn't mean you should.
 
2020-08-14 4:41:28 PM  
1 vote:

CheekyMonkey: whidbey: CheekyMonkey: whidbey: CheekyMonkey: To be fair, "defund the police" is a dumb slogan.

Low-information persons will always build a strawman based on the most simplistic meaning of the words.

I love this suggestion that we should always dumb everything down so the dumbassess won't get mad.

Like people whose minds are already made up are going to get a clue somehow.

And yet, you're complaining about someone not understanding "the real meaning" of "defund the police".

/KISS is an excellent guiding principle

"Defund the police" is simple.

You want us to kiss right wing ass and dumb everything down in the hope that they might respond in good faith argument.

Let me laugh harder.

Oh, I dont want you to do anything. I'm content to watch it all burn down.
It will validate my low opinion of humanity.


Um, k.
 
2020-08-14 4:37:26 PM  
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whidbey: CheekyMonkey: whidbey: CheekyMonkey: To be fair, "defund the police" is a dumb slogan.

Low-information persons will always build a strawman based on the most simplistic meaning of the words.

I love this suggestion that we should always dumb everything down so the dumbassess won't get mad.

Like people whose minds are already made up are going to get a clue somehow.

And yet, you're complaining about someone not understanding "the real meaning" of "defund the police".

/KISS is an excellent guiding principle

"Defund the police" is simple.

You want us to kiss right wing ass and dumb everything down in the hope that they might respond in good faith argument.

Let me laugh harder.


Oh, I dont want you to do anything. I'm content to watch it all burn down.
It will validate my low opinion of humanity.
 
2020-08-14 4:11:49 PM  
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The_Sponge: FlyinS: The_Sponge: Thunderboy: FlyinS: The_Sponge: ace in your face: The_Sponge: [Fark user image image 425x531]

Not only is this meme clearly racist (not shocked from the likes of you), but it also ignores the fact that police should be under a stronger obligation to protect people, with accountability,  than violent insane criminals who have not been called to do that job.

But regardless, why don't you put Tamir Rice in your racist meme?

It's not racist, but it says a lot about the media.

It only says a lot about the racists that share it as if it's some "gotcha"

You must understand, racists are not intelligent people.

Agreed.  And thankfully, I'm not racist.

Yeah. You are.

Mention one racist thing I posted in this thread.  And a pic that points out media hypocrisy doesn't count.


You're wrestling the pig.
 
2020-08-14 4:00:28 PM  
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FlyinS: The_Sponge: Thunderboy: FlyinS: The_Sponge: ace in your face: The_Sponge: [Fark user image image 425x531]

Not only is this meme clearly racist (not shocked from the likes of you), but it also ignores the fact that police should be under a stronger obligation to protect people, with accountability,  than violent insane criminals who have not been called to do that job.

But regardless, why don't you put Tamir Rice in your racist meme?

It's not racist, but it says a lot about the media.

It only says a lot about the racists that share it as if it's some "gotcha"

You must understand, racists are not intelligent people.

Agreed.  And thankfully, I'm not racist.

Yeah. You are.


Mention one racist thing I posted in this thread.  And a pic that points out media hypocrisy doesn't count.
 
2020-08-14 3:47:17 PM  
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TheGreenMonkey: When cops retaliate against cops that call out the injustices committed by other cops such that the whistleblower is either forced to quit or become complicit


I'd say that's more a union thing.
 
2020-08-14 3:22:20 PM  
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inglixthemad: The_Sponge: inglixthemad: The_Sponge: inglixthemad: Gunner's Mate First Class Phillip Asshole: Dempster wrote, "if it means someone won't buy my beer anymore, good. The beer was not created for them. I make my beer for folks who are actively anti-racist, anti-Trump, anti-fascist and pro-equality."

Damn I don't drink beer but I may have to find some to support this kind of stand.

I can see the conservatives losing their shiat already...

"THE OFFICIAL BEER OF ANTIFA!"

Hopefully they have insurance on their property, and can protect themselves as well. Conservative snowflakes don't like it when people stand up.

By "stand up" do you mean assault, battery, vandalism, and looting?

You mean those beers are guilty of assault, battery, vandalism, and looting? Wow. That couple has some mad skillz.

You said "when people stand up".

There are beers that have kicked my ass, but I didn't feel it until the next morning.

I know conservatives hate to admit it, but the those opposing them are people as well. Just because you don't like the couple's stand on the beer they make doesn't mean you get to marginalize them as not being people.


1) I'm not marginalizing anyone.

2) My local beer shop continues to sell their beer, and I'm still going to remain a customer.  I just won't buy that brand.

/Had their beers in the past.
//And even before this happened, I preferred other brands.
 
2020-08-14 2:55:20 PM  
1 vote:

Lee in Texas: (From the top of this thread)

Yes, I know a cop. A close relative. He said Charlottesville "Both aides were wrong, but the liberals were more wrong".  The people who were run over and killed were more wrong than the guy who killed one and injured many others. Just...wow. He also has a Dave Grossman book on his coffee table.


Ugh. He said ABOUT Charlottesville...

"Both SIDES were wrong..."
 
2020-08-14 2:55:05 PM  
1 vote:

Gunner's Mate First Class Phillip Asshole: Dempster wrote, "if it means someone won't buy my beer anymore, good. The beer was not created for them. I make my beer for folks who are actively anti-racist, anti-Trump, anti-fascist and pro-equality."

Damn I don't drink beer but I may have to find some to support this kind of stand.


I can see the conservatives losing their shiat already...

"THE OFFICIAL BEER OF ANTIFA!"

Hopefully they have insurance on their property, and can protect themselves as well. Conservative snowflakes don't like it when people stand up.
 
2020-08-14 2:52:02 PM  
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whidbey: The_Sponge: Pushing out a black woman who served as Seattle's Chief of Police didn't help.

Dude, you know why she had to resign, don't be disingenuous.


I know exactly why....

And one of the main reasons was her pay cut...which meant that she would have made less than her white predecessor.
 
2020-08-14 2:33:04 PM  
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chaoswolf: special20: FTFA: "Around the country, several are brewing their own versions of a beer that shares a single label that reads "Black is Beautiful."

Craft Malt Liquor?

/runs away

Could just be a good stout.

Yes, all cops are bad. Or biatches. Or bastards. Or racist scrotum-walkers. Whatever. They all suck because they all allow their blue line bullshiat to keep the evil rampant.

There are no good cops. Not in this country.


The BIB beer in my fridge is an imperial stout and it is beautiful. Another local one is a stout with cocoa nibs and almond.
 
2020-08-14 2:19:01 PM  
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The_Sponge: JesseL: The_Sponge: And if all cops are bastards, then I hope you guys "keep it real" and never call 911 for a situation that would usually call for law enforcement.

What situation would that be? Any emergency I could have will either be better handled by someone else or it will be over before anyone else can get there. I don't need people with guns to save me, I've got a huge stack of my own.

If I call it will only be because my insurance wants a copy of a police report.

What situation?

Witnessing an assault, rape, burglary, hit and run accident, serious road rage, etc.

And you already know that I am pro-Second Amendment AF, but the reality is that I don't carry most days, and even if I did, there would still be situations where I would still call 911 and ask for law enforcement.


Every one of those situations I'd either help myself, or it's just not worth the chance that the police would make it worse. There's none of them they'd actually make better.
 
2020-08-14 2:15:56 PM  
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lenfromak: [Fark user image image 378x378]


I have one on my phone, so I guess I'm already doing this.
 
2020-08-14 2:14:33 PM  
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2020-08-14 2:13:37 PM  
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JesseL: The_Sponge: And if all cops are bastards, then I hope you guys "keep it real" and never call 911 for a situation that would usually call for law enforcement.

What situation would that be? Any emergency I could have will either be better handled by someone else or it will be over before anyone else can get there. I don't need people with guns to save me, I've got a huge stack of my own.

If I call it will only be because my insurance wants a copy of a police report.


What situation?

Witnessing an assault, rape, burglary, hit and run accident, serious road rage, etc.

And you already know that I am pro-Second Amendment AF, but the reality is that I don't carry most days, and even if I did, there would still be situations where I would still call 911 and ask for law enforcement.
 
2020-08-14 2:09:19 PM  
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Gunner's Mate First Class Phillip Asshole: FLMountainMan: And attacking them on Fark isn't going to get us to your cop-free nirvana either?

Nobody, I repeat nobody wants cop-free America.  We need to root out all the shiatstains and start fresh.


You can't just have a Purge night/week/month/year until we get the police force composed of 100% right-thinking people.  So again, what's the actual policy solution?

There are bad cops because:
1. Bad cops are hard to fire because of the terms of their employment.
2. Bad cops are also hard to fire because of the reluctance of their peers to inform on them because they work in a dangerous job where your peers literally have your life in their hands.

Doing anything without addressing the terms of the employment will just give you a bunch of rookie cops who can't be disciplined.
Continue to demonizing them will just make problem two worse by reinforcing the us vs. them mindset.
 
2020-08-14 2:01:11 PM  
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ace in your face: asciibaron: this sets up an interesting dilemma.  if people want Trump arrested and brought to justice for his crimes, that would require the police.  if all cops are bastards and they are part of an evil in the country, how will Trump get arrested for his crimes?

20/20 mad as a dog

It's adorable you think police have anything to do with whether or not Trump will be arrested.


Ahh, I sense a Pro 2A-vigilante justice type here.

seems like you and the NRA might have a lot in common
 
2020-08-14 2:01:00 PM  
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FLMountainMan: whidbey: winedrinkingman: I support the police.  That said having been a cop I can honestly say that the best thing you can do to support the police is to remove the bottom third of officers who are racist, violate people's rights, or who fail to live up to the moral obligations that we deserve from police.

By an amazing coincidence these also tend to be the dumbest guys in every department, who screw up other officers' investigations, sexually harasse the female staff, and escalate routine calls into dangerous confrontations for mot just the public, but also all the other cops.

And then there are the unions....

The unions enable them.  I would suggest that for this field, Democrats should drop their support of unions.


I would suggest you not twist comments by putting them through your Democrat Hate Machine, but you wouldn't be you, now would you?
 
2020-08-14 1:55:37 PM  
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JesseL: asciibaron: this sets up an interesting dilemma.  if people want Trump arrested and brought to justice for his crimes, that would require the police.  if all cops are bastards and they are part of an evil in the country, how will Trump get arrested for his crimes?

20/20 mad as a dog

All cops don't have to be bastards. It just happens that they currently are.

It's no great stretch to imagine current systems being replaced in function and employing people that aren't bastards.

Did you really think you had some kind of clever *gotcha* there?


But if they were truly evil, wouldn't they just let all the actual criminals go free, 100% of the time?
Also, Hitler was nice to dogs! And made the trains run on time! If he was really evil, would he do that??
 
2020-08-14 1:50:49 PM  
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asciibaron: this sets up an interesting dilemma.  if people want Trump arrested and brought to justice for his crimes, that would require the police.  if all cops are bastards and they are part of an evil in the country, how will Trump get arrested for his crimes?

20/20 mad as a dog


Just because the cops do some things right sometimes, doesn't mean they are right all the time.
They have to do things right sometimes, or nobody would support them at all.
 
2020-08-14 1:28:35 PM  
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FTFA: "Around the country, several are brewing their own versions of a beer that shares a single label that reads "Black is Beautiful."

Craft Malt Liquor?

/runs away
 
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