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2020-08-14 4:11:26 PM  

The_Sponge: JesseL: The_Sponge: JesseL: The_Sponge: [Fark user image 425x531]

Was that shooter an agent of the state, given qualified immunity, and immediately defended by... anyone?

Did people immediately start digging into the child's past to figure out why he probably deserved to get shot?

No, but it was probably a hate crime.

If there's any evidence of that, I'm sure it will be prosecuted as such.

But so what? People commit all kinds of hate crimes all the time and it usually makes some kind of news.

Are you upset that there aren't massive protests against that guy? They got him. He'll probably go to prison for a long time.

Nobody was even sure that George Floyd's murderers would even be arrested after they were recorded in the act. Lots of people still think they should go free, because they think cops should literally get away with anything.

I'm with you on that...they should not be let free.


So what point was the image supposed to make? There's no equivalency whatsoever. All it looks like is "Hey people got all upset about this black guy, but not this white kid. Reverse racism!!!1".

It's not a good look.
 
2020-08-14 4:11:49 PM  

The_Sponge: FlyinS: The_Sponge: Thunderboy: FlyinS: The_Sponge: ace in your face: The_Sponge: [Fark user image image 425x531]

Not only is this meme clearly racist (not shocked from the likes of you), but it also ignores the fact that police should be under a stronger obligation to protect people, with accountability,  than violent insane criminals who have not been called to do that job.

But regardless, why don't you put Tamir Rice in your racist meme?

It's not racist, but it says a lot about the media.

It only says a lot about the racists that share it as if it's some "gotcha"

You must understand, racists are not intelligent people.

Agreed.  And thankfully, I'm not racist.

Yeah. You are.

Mention one racist thing I posted in this thread.  And a pic that points out media hypocrisy doesn't count.


You're wrestling the pig.
 
2020-08-14 4:15:36 PM  

CheekyMonkey: whidbey: CheekyMonkey: To be fair, "defund the police" is a dumb slogan.

Low-information persons will always build a strawman based on the most simplistic meaning of the words.

I love this suggestion that we should always dumb everything down so the dumbassess won't get mad.

Like people whose minds are already made up are going to get a clue somehow.

And yet, you're complaining about someone not understanding "the real meaning" of "defund the police".

/KISS is an excellent guiding principle


"Defund the police" is simple.

You want us to kiss right wing ass and dumb everything down in the hope that they might respond in good faith argument.

Let me laugh harder.
 
2020-08-14 4:16:52 PM  
Friendly reminder that worrying about Nazis getting "censored" and condemning the exclusion of fascists from spaces as "fascist censorship" is called "sympathizing with Nazis" and is rightfully frowned upon in most communities.
 
2020-08-14 4:23:09 PM  
tHe MeDiA iSnT cOvErInG iT

Google search reveals every news organization, local and national, running at least 1 story on it.

Where do these racists come up with this stupidity?
 
2020-08-14 4:27:03 PM  

The_Sponge: gar1013: There are plenty of other shiatty over-hopped craft brews to drink, so whatever.

Seriously, try some good beer from foreign countries, and then try your local craft brewery. Notice how many of the local people think the hops level needs to be turned to 11?

It's like garlic. People in the US overuse it to obscene levels compared to places like Italy.

I'm in the middle...Love my American IPAs and Czech pilsners.

And I need to say this again:

The trend of "juicy" IPAs needs to stop.


How about "crunchy groove", is that still ok?
 
2020-08-14 4:37:26 PM  

whidbey: CheekyMonkey: whidbey: CheekyMonkey: To be fair, "defund the police" is a dumb slogan.

Low-information persons will always build a strawman based on the most simplistic meaning of the words.

I love this suggestion that we should always dumb everything down so the dumbassess won't get mad.

Like people whose minds are already made up are going to get a clue somehow.

And yet, you're complaining about someone not understanding "the real meaning" of "defund the police".

/KISS is an excellent guiding principle

"Defund the police" is simple.

You want us to kiss right wing ass and dumb everything down in the hope that they might respond in good faith argument.

Let me laugh harder.


Oh, I dont want you to do anything. I'm content to watch it all burn down.
It will validate my low opinion of humanity.
 
2020-08-14 4:41:28 PM  

CheekyMonkey: whidbey: CheekyMonkey: whidbey: CheekyMonkey: To be fair, "defund the police" is a dumb slogan.

Low-information persons will always build a strawman based on the most simplistic meaning of the words.

I love this suggestion that we should always dumb everything down so the dumbassess won't get mad.

Like people whose minds are already made up are going to get a clue somehow.

And yet, you're complaining about someone not understanding "the real meaning" of "defund the police".

/KISS is an excellent guiding principle

"Defund the police" is simple.

You want us to kiss right wing ass and dumb everything down in the hope that they might respond in good faith argument.

Let me laugh harder.

Oh, I dont want you to do anything. I'm content to watch it all burn down.
It will validate my low opinion of humanity.


Um, k.
 
2020-08-14 5:01:52 PM  

Michael J Faux: t = (1/n [h]) * 1/s

t = trustworthiness of the cop
n = diameter of their neck
h = length of their hair
s = number of skull decals/tats/patches

Hard to calculate while pulling over AND emptying your beer out the window, but it's a sound forumla.


Not quite sure if I agree with your maths there. Unless I'm misreading, and I'm not sure what the square brackets represent here, but length of hair seems to belong in the numerator? Like trustiness is directly, not inversely proportional to hair length? So a shaved head, h = 0, pretty much results in 0 trustiness? (As opposed to say, Serpico length hair) In which case we end up with something more like:

t = h/ns
 
2020-08-14 5:10:22 PM  

great_tigers: The_Sponge: [Fark user image 425x531]

What is your point here?


Violence sells.   There's a lot of money at stake.
 
2020-08-14 5:10:34 PM  

CheekyMonkey: gar1013: There are plenty of other shiatty over-hopped craft brews to drink, so whatever.

Seriously, try some good beer from foreign countries, and then try your local craft brewery. Notice how many of the local people think the hops level needs to be turned to 11?

Don't like hops?  Then don't drink *those styles of beer that are highly-hopped*.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know  that if you order and IPA, the flavor is going to be hop-forward.  And, many craft breweries put the hop level (in IBUs) right on the goddamn label, so it's pretty easy to pick a beer that you'll likely enjoy.  But you go on and keep railing against "overhopping" as if it isn't an easily-avoided non-issue.

It's like garlic. People in the US overuse it to obscene levels compared to places like Italy.

Suck it.  I love garlic.  I'll use as much of it as I want.  Who cares how much "they" use in "places like Italy".  There are plenty of cuisines which historically use lots more garlic than Italy.  Regions in India and China come to mind.

Your entire post is <stoplikingwhatIdon'tlike.jpg>


You sound like an overly bitter craft brewer.

Even non-IPAs are over hopped in most cases.

As for garlic, I'm sorry your taste buds are so dysfunctional as to require you to overpower food with garlic.

Over using hops and garlic ranks up there with putting ranch on everything. It's just grotesque and proof of the idea that just because you can doesn't mean you should.
 
2020-08-14 5:15:15 PM  

ace in your face: The_Sponge: ace in your face: The_Sponge: [Fark user image image 425x531]

Not only is this meme clearly racist (not shocked from the likes of you), but it also ignores the fact that police should be under a stronger obligation to protect people, with accountability,  than violent insane criminals who have not been called to do that job.

But regardless, why don't you put Tamir Rice in your racist meme?

It's not racist, but it says a lot about the media.

It is racist. It's using a black man as a prop against a white boy instead of facing the reality that murders are committed every day.


Would it make you feel better if the victim depicted was an African-American, and the perpetrator was left as a question mark due to nobody willing to come forward to identify the killer?
 
2020-08-14 5:20:39 PM  

The_Sponge: FlyinS: Well, they're not wrong.

Yes they are.

ACAB is an ignorant blanket statement.


No it isn't.

Even if all cops are not actively oppressing people, I don't see marches or demonstrations by the "good" cops, I don't see them publicly pushing to prosecute wrongdoing by bad officers, I don't see an outburst of them reporting their abusive peers.  I see their union -- which represents all of them -- supporting Trump and actively protecting murdering and abusing cops.

Silence is complicity.  Evil wins when good people do nothing.  In fact when the wrongdoing is so blatant, and so visible, and they make the active choice to do nothing, then I wouldn't even call them "good people".  It is more like depraved indifference, which is a crime.
 
2020-08-14 5:48:21 PM  
amateur hour, can't even put his offensive message on the label

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2020-08-14 5:50:02 PM  

special20: FTFA: "Around the country, several are brewing their own versions of a beer that shares a single label that reads "Black is Beautiful."

Craft Malt Liquor?

/runs away


Colt 45 malt liquor
 
2020-08-14 5:54:49 PM  
ARE COPS ALL BAD ?

NO, THE ANSWER IS NO.
 
2020-08-14 5:56:32 PM  

Flragnararch: amateur hour, can't even put his offensive message on the label

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What's offensive is that beer is under 6%.
 
2020-08-14 6:00:06 PM  

WTP 2: ARE COPS ALL BAD ?

NO, THE ANSWER IS NO.


They are when they join together to defend when their colleagues commit heinous crimes.
They are when they cover / ignore their colleagues committing heinous crimes.
They are when they're represented by a union that will defend the most disgusting actions of its members.
They are when leadership fires officers from daring to cross "the blue line" to speak out against officers acting inappropriately
 
2020-08-14 6:10:11 PM  

Stratohead: oh know...cops who are offended will only have 10's of thousands of other kinds of beers to choose from...this is an outrage.


They may or may not be outraged but obviously the brewmaster is so incensed he creates a new production line of it with a healthy dose of social justice drama in it. He might want to be informed that ACAB has roots in the white skinheads crowd.
 
2020-08-14 6:12:23 PM  

Peter Weyland: I had heard it is as "All Cops are Bad", but either way, the message is true.

As has been said many times before: There are good cops and bad cops, the problem is that bad cops look like good cops until its too late.  So, you must assume they are all bad until they prove otherwise.


So guilty until proven innocent is preferable? Do you also feel the same way about our criminal justice system?
 
2020-08-14 6:13:40 PM  
Even though you feel this way why do something that may cause even minor harm to your business?
 
2020-08-14 6:18:50 PM  

zombietheclown: WTP 2: ARE COPS ALL BAD ?

NO, THE ANSWER IS NO.

They are when they join together to defend when their colleagues commit heinous crimes.
They are when they cover / ignore their colleagues committing heinous crimes.
They are when they're represented by a union that will defend the most disgusting actions of its members.
They are when leadership fires officers from daring to cross "the blue line" to speak out against officers acting inappropriately


that also describes many groups
political
gangs
churches
klan
 
2020-08-14 6:25:42 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: Peter Weyland: I had heard it is as "All Cops are Bad", but either way, the message is true.

As has been said many times before: There are good cops and bad cops, the problem is that bad cops look like good cops until its too late.  So, you must assume they are all bad until they prove otherwise.

So guilty until proven innocent is preferable? Do you also feel the same way about our criminal justice system?


Are you being this dense on purpose?

[The brewer] might want to be informed that ACAB has roots in the white skinheads crowd.

So all skinheads are white nationalists?  Didn't you just give somebody shiat about "guilty until proven innocent?"
 
2020-08-14 6:26:20 PM  

WTP 2: zombietheclown: WTP 2: ARE COPS ALL BAD ?

NO, THE ANSWER IS NO.

They are when they join together to defend when their colleagues commit heinous crimes.
They are when they cover / ignore their colleagues committing heinous crimes.
They are when they're represented by a union that will defend the most disgusting actions of its members.
They are when leadership fires officers from daring to cross "the blue line" to speak out against officers acting inappropriately

that also describes many groups
political
gangs
churches
klan


Which we're a) not talking about

b)  nice deflection
 
2020-08-14 6:28:04 PM  

WTP 2: zombietheclown: WTP 2: ARE COPS ALL BAD ?

NO, THE ANSWER IS NO.

They are when they join together to defend when their colleagues commit heinous crimes.
They are when they cover / ignore their colleagues committing heinous crimes.
They are when they're represented by a union that will defend the most disgusting actions of its members.
They are when leadership fires officers from daring to cross "the blue line" to speak out against officers acting inappropriately

that also describes many groups
political
gangs
churches
klan


Correct, but only one of the above mentioned groups have the legal ability to pull you over for a made up reason, lie to you, take away your ability to continue on your way home to your family and maybe, if you give them enough of a hassle, flat-out kill you.  The icing on the cake is that because of the clout they hold, there's a decent possibility that they'll get paid time off for it and face zero consequences.
 
2020-08-14 6:44:09 PM  

WTP 2: zombietheclown: WTP 2: ARE COPS ALL BAD ?

NO, THE ANSWER IS NO.

They are when they join together to defend when their colleagues commit heinous crimes.
They are when they cover / ignore their colleagues committing heinous crimes.
They are when they're represented by a union that will defend the most disgusting actions of its members.
They are when leadership fires officers from daring to cross "the blue line" to speak out against officers acting inappropriately

that also describes many groups
political
gangs
churches
klan


Every one of those is or includes entities that have been determined to be criminal enterprises under RICO.
 
2020-08-14 7:11:00 PM  
You want to know why so many of the bad cops get away with the shiat they do? The answer is simple. The higher levels of the chain of command. They seem to think that if they go after the bad cops that they will look bad on TV.  They are blind to the fact that they look worse when they defend the bad ones. Also, it seems that most of the time, once the cops get promoted to a certain level, that they have to drink the kool aid and become assholes. (or worse ones)

When the good cops try to call out the bad ones, (and it actually happens frequently, you just do not see it in the media) the good cops are generally threatened with discipline which is a horrible thing because they will be unlikely to get another job because even if they are totally wholesome, the story about them will not be. They will be made out the be worse than Manson. Cops have families to provide for just like everyone else. Take away their ability to provide for their children and it is a strong incentive to take the captain's advise to shut the fark up and suddenly remember that it was all a dream. It is not right. It is not justified. It is a poor system. And it is bad for everyone.

Another issue is that when the shiatheels get to a certain rank, their friends get a certain immunity. Suck the captain's dick (probably figuratively, but not always) and you pretty much get to do whatever you want.

Now, go ahead and flame away. I don't give a shiat.
 
2020-08-14 7:33:20 PM  

whidbey: fanbladesaresharp: Peter Weyland: I had heard it is as "All Cops are Bad", but either way, the message is true.

As has been said many times before: There are good cops and bad cops, the problem is that bad cops look like good cops until its too late.  So, you must assume they are all bad until they prove otherwise.

So guilty until proven innocent is preferable? Do you also feel the same way about our criminal justice system?

Are you being this dense on purpose?

[The brewer] might want to be informed that ACAB has roots in the white skinheads crowd.

So all skinheads are white nationalists?  Didn't you just give somebody shiat about "guilty until proven innocent?"


Oh you can read! Those were two different posts to two different people. Try not to weld them together.
 
2020-08-14 8:07:33 PM  

FLMountainMan: JesseL: asciibaron: this sets up an interesting dilemma.  if people want Trump arrested and brought to justice for his crimes, that would require the police.  if all cops are bastards and they are part of an evil in the country, how will Trump get arrested for his crimes?

20/20 mad as a dog

All cops don't have to be bastards. It just happens that they currently are.

It's no great stretch to imagine current systems being replaced in function and employing people that aren't bastards.

Did you really think you had some kind of clever *gotcha* there?

So how do you think this will happen?  What's the game plan other than saying "cops R dicks HURHURHUR"?


Typically people who fark up get fired.  If the cops threaten to take out the pols and citizens who try to make this happen, society is justified in setting up an alternative force, and meeting cop force with counterforce if necessary.

Most people in Muricuh have cheered on Clint Eastwood's characters as they take out the local gang of goons; they know what to do.  All they need are guts.
 
2020-08-14 8:47:58 PM  

Flragnararch: amateur hour, can't even put his offensive message on the label

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Turns out there's some really long history of really weird case law behind the naughty beer names of the late-2010s.

It's clear that "Reno as Fark" is not disparaging towards the city of Reno - anyone trying to argue the other side would haul the folks at Revision Brewing into discovery only to be disappointed by tons of documentation demonstrating that "Hey, this is sort of a slogan Renoites have adopted for themselves in celebration of their city, why not make a beer that's part of it?"

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The tl;dr: Ever since Iancu v. Brunetti said (on the matter of FRKT T-shirts) it also didn't matter whether it was "scandalous" or "immoral" even if it wasn't nondisparaging (which "Reno as Fark" isn't), it's likely that governmental restrictions on naughty words in beer labels are just as unconstitutional, so for the past few years brewers have been free to name their beers whatever the fark they like, and if the government has a problem with it, they'll probably prevail in court.
 
2020-08-14 8:57:49 PM  
Brewer "Help we're being robbed".
911 "Sorry all the bastards say they're busy.
 
2020-08-14 9:01:47 PM  

gar1013: It's like garlic. People in the US overuse it to obscene levels compared to places like Italy.


You shut your whore mouth right now.
 
2020-08-14 9:53:21 PM  
Wow, this really brought the bootlickers in like racist moths to a flame.
 
2020-08-14 9:54:26 PM  

stuffy: Brewer "Help we're being robbed".
911 "Sorry all the bastards say they're busy.


At least your dog doesn't get shot and killed when they show up several hours later and are useless.

Cops have no legal obligation to save you from peril.  None whatsoever.
 
2020-08-14 9:55:32 PM  
Just to preface, I am a cop. I don't hang out with cops, nor do I consider any cops good friends. But I do respect most of my co-workers. I just came into the profession later in life (mid-30s) and in a place I didn't grow up in. Also, every cop where I work lives in our jurisdiction; and we are not a small department (we are in the top 20 for size). Most cops, like most people just want to go to work and go home.
There are good cops, and I feel the majority fall under that category. Just like doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc... bad ones get through the cracks in all those professions. Ask any one in those professions if they know of any one in their office or network if there are members who shouldn't be there and they will probably say yes. I've yet to have one tell me no (that doesn't mean there aren't any out there that would). Now, if they are answering yes to that and they haven't done anything to get rid of that person are they not, per many of your opinions, 'bad apples' too? Perhaps you reading this falls under that hypocrisy as well.
Every year my department fires several dozen officers. This may be due to officer safety issues, too many personnel complaints (sustained) from the public, use of force violations, malingering, and a myriad of other reasons. I've never seen a 'whistleblower' get any kind of punishment, administratively. I have seen officers, and have been myself, iced out by fellow officers, though I've never not had back up show up to a call nor felt any unnecessary danger in doing my job. Generally guys would be butthurt a friend of theirs got in trouble but it blows over in a few weeks.

'Why don't good officers turn in the bad ones'?

I feel, and it's my opinion from 8 years of experience, that the good officers don't hang out with, nor witness, what the bad officers are doing. I admittedly know that it a weak argument but I'll try to explain. Think of your work bubble, if you work in a large office. How many people do you know, how many people's reputations do you know, and how many of those people do you work closely/socialize with? If you are able to have some control over who you work with do their reputations have an impact on that? I work, about 75% of the time with a group of 4 officers. I, through my performance reviews and reputation, was able to have some say in what unit I could join and who I'd be working with. All the members of my team have reputations within my department that are similar to mine. We don't take short cuts, we do our job, and we go home (I work with Neighborhood Security Watches about half the time and do homeless outreach and enforcement on community complaints the other half of the time, along with special projects here and there). The other 25% of my time is filling in on patrol for staff shortages and being a 'normal' cop.
When I'm doing the 'normal' cop thing I know who the officers are that I work with and they know me. Some will be nice, others just don't engage with me. And that's fine with me because I know their reputations. And here's the thing, bad cops don't like to work with good cops and the same is true reversed. What's the difference between the two: good cops, who I do believe are the majority, file their reports correctly and on time. They do their traffic stops per policy guidelines. They make checks of their beat to make sure abandoned cars are towed, they stop by businesses to say hi and see if they have any community concerns, they know, either by name or face, the homeless in their areas and attempt to build a rapport with them, or at least let my team know if they want shelter or social services or they see a new face. They make sure the traffic lights are working, the bus stops aren't cluttered, they know the problem houses and problem individuals and generally take pride in knowing what is happening in their area. They are just going about their shift until it is time for them to go home.
As for the bad/lazy cops: they go park and hide. They rarely do traffic stops, they don't know the neighborhood and they avoid areas where they may be flagged down for help or questions. They approach every contact as a problem, they work harder at cancelling a case than the amount of work it would take to just type it up, they avoid people because they don't want to be bothered, and they generally have the deescalation skills of a toddler. Not all of them are bad people, they just, like some people in every profession, are there for a paycheck and nothing else, even their actual job responsibilities. Of this group, the majority aren't going to cause problems, they just aren't that good at the job. But in this group you get the officers who want to 'be the man'. They may not be 'lazy' like some of the other bad cops, but any call that isn't a fight or in their mind a 'hero' moment is beneath them. These are the officers with the puffed out chest, believing everyone and everything is a threat and they are going to prove they are the toughest SOB on scene. They also, though, usually take shortcuts, forget key details, and rush through investigations that can lead to weak cases, public complaints, and lawsuits (though I seen enough lawsuits for incidents where every single policy and procedure was followed to know that they will happen no matter what).

Now why don't I, or officers like me do anything to get rid of these bad cops?

Let's go back to the other professions I mentioned above and whether or not the bad ones from those jobs were pushed out...from the people I've talked to they haven't. The reasons vary, but or comes down to the person I talk to doing their job and letting them do theirs. And it's similar to my experience. If a 'bad' cop gets sent to a case and I'm nearby, I will go and make sure the scene is safe, good cop or not, I don't want any of my coworkers to get hurt. But knowing that person's reputation, if the scene is safe and it's not a total shiatshow, I'm moving on to my next call or check, because I don't want my name of their report. Conversely if I'm off on a case and a 'bad' cop shows up, I'll tell them I'm good and don't need help, as I don't want their name on my reports either. It may come across as weak reasoning, but if I don't see it, I have nothing to report and I am not breaking any policy.
If there is no way to avoid working with someone like that I just need to make sure that I'm documenting, through my body cam and report, any actions that aren't being done per policy and report them to my supervisor, for if I don't I'm just as guilty of the policy violations as they are. After that it is on the supervisor, not me, to follow through with the complaint. And if the supervisor mishandles it at that point, our internal standards office, who must look at each complaint, may take action on him.
But these steps are done only if I see the violation, or have proof of a violation. If it's only rumors or hearsay, and I make the complaint and it's unfounded, then I can, and most likely will, face disciplinary action for making a false claim.
I know in my department guys face suspensions all the time for complaints brought about by other officers; improper labeling of evidence, late reports, incomplete reports and citations, forgetting to take photos, etc...are just some of the reasons guys have taken suspensions. It just doesn't make clickable headlines for news outlets "cop suspended without pay 1 day for forgetting mileage report" won't get a lot of clicks. And yes, all suspensions for behavior or negligence are unpaid at my department.

Now to ACAB, I don't have a problem with people who say it or believe it; many of them feel they were wronged by police at some point in their lives, or they don't like authority, or they truly believe police aren't needed. Whatever, it doesn't bother me for them to believe that. I do believe though that others have the same right to support law enforcement and the police. And you can fully agree with the message of BLM and other groups like that and support law enforcement; they don't need to be exclusive of each other. Holding law enforcement, or the protesters for that matter, accountable for their actions shouldn't take away from your support, it should actually strengthen that support.

It really is sad that 'reform' has such a negative connotation, as all businesses, including law enforcement, need to change with the times or get left behind. It sucks that 'reform' can't be changed to 'improvements', because that is what reforms should be viewed as. And hell, if I don't have to go to mental health, suicidal, or non criminal calls anymore, sign me up for those improvements (it's not that I don't care for the well being of people in those calls, I get only about 16 hours of training a year in those types of calls so it's not really fair for me or them to send me to those calls).

TL/DR: good cops outnumber bad cops; reforms are needed improvements, and shouldn't be viewed negatively.
 
2020-08-14 9:59:02 PM  

austerity101: stuffy: Brewer "Help we're being robbed".
911 "Sorry all the bastards say they're busy.

At least your dog doesn't get shot and killed when they show up several hours later and are useless.

Cops have no legal obligation to save you from peril.  None whatsoever.


Roll up and shoot whoever's black.  Apparently that's the flowchart.
 
2020-08-14 10:09:35 PM  

stuffy: Brewer "Help we're being robbed".
911 "Sorry all the bastards say they're busy.


Yes, that is exactly the problem.
 
2020-08-14 10:13:46 PM  

The_Sponge: Thunderboy: FlyinS: The_Sponge: ace in your face: The_Sponge: [Fark user image image 425x531]

Not only is this meme clearly racist (not shocked from the likes of you), but it also ignores the fact that police should be under a stronger obligation to protect people, with accountability,  than violent insane criminals who have not been called to do that job.

But regardless, why don't you put Tamir Rice in your racist meme?

It's not racist, but it says a lot about the media.

It only says a lot about the racists that share it as if it's some "gotcha"

You must understand, racists are not intelligent people.

Agreed.  And thankfully, I'm not racist.


All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares.
 
2020-08-14 10:19:01 PM  

rigo412: TL/DR: good cops outnumber bad cops; reforms are needed improvements, and shouldn't be viewed negatively.


Reform hasn't worked.  You've had 200 years to get your shiat in order.
 
2020-08-14 10:52:04 PM  
and for all the picking on i got, no one said that cops fit the "gang" checklist...
same colors
carry weapons
hang out in groups
have a territory to protect

/we are supposed to come here for a laugh at anything, no matter what.
//as many have guessed i am pro cop, so
///i have gotten tickets, i deserved them. i was speeding. i did not question why i was getting them.
 
2020-08-15 12:15:50 AM  

The_Sponge: inglixthemad: The_Sponge: inglixthemad: The_Sponge: inglixthemad: Gunner's Mate First Class Phillip Asshole: Dempster wrote, "if it means someone won't buy my beer anymore, good. The beer was not created for them. I make my beer for folks who are actively anti-racist, anti-Trump, anti-fascist and pro-equality."

Damn I don't drink beer but I may have to find some to support this kind of stand.

I can see the conservatives losing their shiat already...

"THE OFFICIAL BEER OF ANTIFA!"

Hopefully they have insurance on their property, and can protect themselves as well. Conservative snowflakes don't like it when people stand up.

By "stand up" do you mean assault, battery, vandalism, and looting?

You mean those beers are guilty of assault, battery, vandalism, and looting? Wow. That couple has some mad skillz.

You said "when people stand up".

There are beers that have kicked my ass, but I didn't feel it until the next morning.

I know conservatives hate to admit it, but the those opposing them are people as well. Just because you don't like the couple's stand on the beer they make doesn't mean you get to marginalize them as not being people.

1) I'm not marginalizing anyone.

2) My local beer shop continues to sell their beer, and I'm still going to remain a customer.  I just won't buy that brand.

/Had their beers in the past.
//And even before this happened, I preferred other brands.


Yes you did. The couple stood up, put their money where their mouth / beliefs are, and you compared them to criminal boogaloos filling up molotovs. That's disingenuous and dehumanizing, which is par for the conservative playbook.
 
2020-08-15 12:16:47 AM  

austerity101: stuffy: Brewer "Help we're being robbed".
911 "Sorry all the bastards say they're busy.

At least your dog doesn't get shot and killed when they show up several hours later and are useless.

Cops have no legal obligation to save you from peril.  None whatsoever.


Fair enough.  Then gun grabbers need to STFU.
 
2020-08-15 12:34:11 AM  

austerity101: Reform hasn't worked.  You've had 200 years to get your shiat in order.


You're right, but in the 8 years I've been in my department we've instituted zero-tolerance for officer involved DUIs, physical domestic violence incidents, and use of force violations. We've taken out neck restraints from our use of force, mandated body cams, and even though our budget has been cut, have introduced a crisis response team and a community homeless team that works exclusively with our area's social service providers to re-direct homeless individuals that are repeat offenders for minor crimes and other violations. So, I can't speak to the previous 192 years, but I feel we've made some progress.

Look, I know that no one's beliefs are going to change because of some comment on a message board, but I try to look at most main stream media outlets, smaller niche outlets like TheRoot and others like it, liberal and conservative, and read people's comments, especially those that are different from mine to learn and see where the other side is coming from. I'm not perfect, you're not perfect, and no matter the system, it will never be perfect. I'm just trying to do the best I can in my own little area.
 
2020-08-15 12:37:57 AM  

zombietheclown: WTP 2: ARE COPS ALL BAD ?

NO, THE ANSWER IS NO.

They are when they join together to defend when their colleagues commit heinous crimes.
They are when they cover / ignore their colleagues committing heinous crimes.
They are when they're represented by a union that will defend the most disgusting actions of its members.
They are when leadership fires officers from daring to cross "the blue line" to speak out against officers acting inappropriately


Sounds like the teachers union... I wonder what they have in common?
 
2020-08-15 1:52:26 AM  
his facebook page looks like his mugshot...
 
2020-08-15 2:38:07 AM  

rigo412: austerity101: Reform hasn't worked.  You've had 200 years to get your shiat in order.

You're right, but in the 8 years I've been in my department we've instituted zero-tolerance for officer involved DUIs, physical domestic violence incidents, and use of force violations. We've taken out neck restraints from our use of force, mandated body cams, and even though our budget has been cut, have introduced a crisis response team and a community homeless team that works exclusively with our area's social service providers to re-direct homeless individuals that are repeat offenders for minor crimes and other violations. So, I can't speak to the previous 192 years, but I feel we've made some progress.

Look, I know that no one's beliefs are going to change because of some comment on a message board, but I try to look at most main stream media outlets, smaller niche outlets like TheRoot and others like it, liberal and conservative, and read people's comments, especially those that are different from mine to learn and see where the other side is coming from. I'm not perfect, you're not perfect, and no matter the system, it will never be perfect. I'm just trying to do the best I can in my own little area.


And your efforts are appreciated. Thank you.
 
2020-08-15 3:27:56 AM  
Lmao for the little biatch moderation in here. Hey mods, go fark yourselves.
 
2020-08-15 7:23:33 AM  

FLMountainMan: Getting rid of all police is stupid and unrealistic and usually said by people who never have a need for their services.


In all my 50+ years on this earth, I have never needed a farking cop.
 
2020-08-15 2:53:52 PM  

ace in your face: the voice of raisin: ace in your face: asciibaron: this sets up an interesting dilemma.  if people want Trump arrested and brought to justice for his crimes, that would require the police.  if all cops are bastards and they are part of an evil in the country, how will Trump get arrested for his crimes?

20/20 mad as a dog

It's adorable you think police have anything to do with whether or not Trump will be arrested.

Ahh, I sense a Pro 2A-vigilante justice type here.

seems like you and the NRA might have a lot in common

Trump has already admitted crimes in front of the whole world and exactly jack shiat happened to him. Additionally, the Attorney General of the US is quite clearly corrupt and protecting him. There is no way any cop, local or federal, is going to touch Donald Trump. Thinking otherwise is a pipe dream


like I said, you're planning on participating in a "2A solution".   I recommend against broadcasting that unless you're looking for an "interview" with the Secret Service.

/still can't figure out why they call it the "Secret" Service.
//it's not much of a secret if everyone knows about it.
 
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