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(KIRO-7 Seattle)   Seattle brewery puts anti-police messages on beer. Of course, since they're IPAs it could also mean 'All Cans Are Bitter'   (kiro7.com) divider line
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JesseL
2020-08-14 1:59:32 PM  

winedrinkingman: I support the police.  That said having been a cop I can honestly say that the best thing you can do to support the police is to remove the bottom third of officers who are racist, violate people's rights, or who fail to live up to the moral obligations that we deserve from police.

By an amazing coincidence these also tend to be the dumbest guys in every department, who screw up other officers' investigations, sexually harasse the female staff, and escalate routine calls into dangerous confrontations for mot just the public, but also all the other cops.


How many cops are there who don't know about a single other cop who's a racist, a liar, corrupt, or just a violent psycho?

If they know about any of that and haven't done anything about it, they've failed to live up to the moral obligations that we deserve from police.
 
The_Sponge [TotalFark]
2020-08-14 1:59:32 PM  
And if all cops are bastards, then I hope you guys "keep it real" and never call 911 for a situation that would usually call for law enforcement.
 
FLMountainMan
2020-08-14 1:59:47 PM  

whidbey: winedrinkingman: I support the police.  That said having been a cop I can honestly say that the best thing you can do to support the police is to remove the bottom third of officers who are racist, violate people's rights, or who fail to live up to the moral obligations that we deserve from police.

By an amazing coincidence these also tend to be the dumbest guys in every department, who screw up other officers' investigations, sexually harasse the female staff, and escalate routine calls into dangerous confrontations for mot just the public, but also all the other cops.

And then there are the unions....


The unions enable them.  I would suggest that for this field, Democrats should drop their support of unions.
 
meanmutton
2020-08-14 1:59:47 PM  

Begoggle: JesseL: asciibaron: this sets up an interesting dilemma.  if people want Trump arrested and brought to justice for his crimes, that would require the police.  if all cops are bastards and they are part of an evil in the country, how will Trump get arrested for his crimes?

20/20 mad as a dog

All cops don't have to be bastards. It just happens that they currently are.

It's no great stretch to imagine current systems being replaced in function and employing people that aren't bastards.

Did you really think you had some kind of clever *gotcha* there?

But if they were truly evil, wouldn't they just let all the actual criminals go free, 100% of the time?
Also, Hitler was nice to dogs! And made the trains run on time! If he was really evil, would he do that??


They do let the actual criminals go free, as long as the criminals wear a badge while the commit crimes. How many cops have been arrested for the murder of Breonna Taylor? How many cops have been arrested for participating in the Lafayette Square Police Riot? How many cops have been arrested for the abduction of protesters on the streets of Portland?
 
whidbey
2020-08-14 2:01:00 PM  

FLMountainMan: whidbey: winedrinkingman: I support the police.  That said having been a cop I can honestly say that the best thing you can do to support the police is to remove the bottom third of officers who are racist, violate people's rights, or who fail to live up to the moral obligations that we deserve from police.

By an amazing coincidence these also tend to be the dumbest guys in every department, who screw up other officers' investigations, sexually harasse the female staff, and escalate routine calls into dangerous confrontations for mot just the public, but also all the other cops.

And then there are the unions....

The unions enable them.  I would suggest that for this field, Democrats should drop their support of unions.


I would suggest you not twist comments by putting them through your Democrat Hate Machine, but you wouldn't be you, now would you?
 
the voice of raisin
2020-08-14 2:01:11 PM  

ace in your face: asciibaron: this sets up an interesting dilemma.  if people want Trump arrested and brought to justice for his crimes, that would require the police.  if all cops are bastards and they are part of an evil in the country, how will Trump get arrested for his crimes?

20/20 mad as a dog

It's adorable you think police have anything to do with whether or not Trump will be arrested.


Ahh, I sense a Pro 2A-vigilante justice type here.

seems like you and the NRA might have a lot in common
 
JesseL
2020-08-14 2:03:12 PM  

The_Sponge: And if all cops are bastards, then I hope you guys "keep it real" and never call 911 for a situation that would usually call for law enforcement.


What situation would that be? Any emergency I could have will either be better handled by someone else or it will be over before anyone else can get there. I don't need people with guns to save me, I've got a huge stack of my own.

If I call it will only be because my insurance wants a copy of a police report.
 
FLMountainMan
2020-08-14 2:03:15 PM  

whidbey: FLMountainMan: whidbey: winedrinkingman: I support the police.  That said having been a cop I can honestly say that the best thing you can do to support the police is to remove the bottom third of officers who are racist, violate people's rights, or who fail to live up to the moral obligations that we deserve from police.

By an amazing coincidence these also tend to be the dumbest guys in every department, who screw up other officers' investigations, sexually harasse the female staff, and escalate routine calls into dangerous confrontations for mot just the public, but also all the other cops.

And then there are the unions....

The unions enable them.  I would suggest that for this field, Democrats should drop their support of unions.

I would suggest you not twist comments by putting them through your Democrat Hate Machine, but you wouldn't be you, now would you?


I don't even know what that's supposed to mean other than "I can't debate policy because then I have to deviate from my script".
 
Gunner's Mate First Class Phillip Asshole
2020-08-14 2:04:28 PM  

FLMountainMan: And attacking them on Fark isn't going to get us to your cop-free nirvana either?


Nobody, I repeat nobody wants cop-free America.  We need to root out all the shiatstains and start fresh.
 
Zeb Hesselgresser
2020-08-14 2:05:23 PM  
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iamskibibitz
2020-08-14 2:05:35 PM  

FlyinS: ACAB is an ignorant blanket statement.

Well, you're wrong.


All ____ are bastards.

Filling in the blank just depends on your point of view. Either way that sentence is ignorant and blanket regardless of what you choose.
 
FlyinS
2020-08-14 2:07:32 PM  

iamskibibitz: FlyinS: ACAB is an ignorant blanket statement.

Well, you're wrong.

All ____ are bastards.

Filling in the blank just depends on your point of view. Either way that sentence is ignorant and blanket regardless of what you choose.


Well, you're wrong.
 
ace in your face [TotalFark]
2020-08-14 2:07:50 PM  

the voice of raisin: ace in your face: asciibaron: this sets up an interesting dilemma.  if people want Trump arrested and brought to justice for his crimes, that would require the police.  if all cops are bastards and they are part of an evil in the country, how will Trump get arrested for his crimes?

20/20 mad as a dog

It's adorable you think police have anything to do with whether or not Trump will be arrested.

Ahh, I sense a Pro 2A-vigilante justice type here.

seems like you and the NRA might have a lot in common


Trump has already admitted crimes in front of the whole world and exactly jack shiat happened to him. Additionally, the Attorney General of the US is quite clearly corrupt and protecting him. There is no way any cop, local or federal, is going to touch Donald Trump. Thinking otherwise is a pipe dream
 
Baloo Uriza
2020-08-14 2:08:03 PM  
In these times, it's important to remember why blue lives matter.
 
djslowdive [TotalFark]
2020-08-14 2:08:08 PM  

dwrash: They wont stay in businesses for long...


They sell out of every batch. But your concern is noted.
 
bluejeansonfire
2020-08-14 2:08:40 PM  

asciibaron: JesseL: asciibaron: this sets up an interesting dilemma.  if people want Trump arrested and brought to justice for his crimes, that would require the police.  if all cops are bastards and they are part of an evil in the country, how will Trump get arrested for his crimes?

20/20 mad as a dog

All cops don't have to be bastards. It just happens that they currently are.

It's no great stretch to imagine current systems being replaced in function and employing people that aren't bastards.

Did you really think you had some kind of clever *gotcha* there?

good luck hiring 100,000 new police to replace the ones you say are bastards in the next few months.


No police is better than barbaric murdering savage demon police, so it'll be worth it either way.
 
whidbey
2020-08-14 2:08:45 PM  

FLMountainMan: "I can't debate policy because then I have to deviate from my script".


Democrats can support police union reform without "dropping support."

You knew that was what i meant, right?
 
FLMountainMan
2020-08-14 2:09:19 PM  

Gunner's Mate First Class Phillip Asshole: FLMountainMan: And attacking them on Fark isn't going to get us to your cop-free nirvana either?

Nobody, I repeat nobody wants cop-free America.  We need to root out all the shiatstains and start fresh.


You can't just have a Purge night/week/month/year until we get the police force composed of 100% right-thinking people.  So again, what's the actual policy solution?

There are bad cops because:
1. Bad cops are hard to fire because of the terms of their employment.
2. Bad cops are also hard to fire because of the reluctance of their peers to inform on them because they work in a dangerous job where your peers literally have your life in their hands.

Doing anything without addressing the terms of the employment will just give you a bunch of rookie cops who can't be disciplined.
Continue to demonizing them will just make problem two worse by reinforcing the us vs. them mindset.
 
bluejeansonfire
2020-08-14 2:09:30 PM  

winedrinkingman: I support the police.  That said having been a cop I can honestly say that the best thing you can do to support the police is to remove the bottom third of officers who are racist, violate people's rights, or who fail to live up to the moral obligations that we deserve from police.

By an amazing coincidence these also tend to be the dumbest guys in every department, who screw up other officers' investigations, sexually harasse the female staff, and escalate routine calls into dangerous confrontations for mot just the public, but also all the other cops.


"bottom third"
 
The_Sponge [TotalFark]
2020-08-14 2:09:42 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: [kiro7.com image 333x174]


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I expect brewers to be overweight and have beards.
 
TomDooley
2020-08-14 2:10:04 PM  

FLMountainMan: JesseL: asciibaron: this sets up an interesting dilemma.  if people want Trump arrested and brought to justice for his crimes, that would require the police.  if all cops are bastards and they are part of an evil in the country, how will Trump get arrested for his crimes?

20/20 mad as a dog

All cops don't have to be bastards. It just happens that they currently are.

It's no great stretch to imagine current systems being replaced in function and employing people that aren't bastards.

Did you really think you had some kind of clever *gotcha* there?

So how do you think this will happen?  What's the game plan other than saying "cops R dicks HURHURHUR"?


https://www.versobooks.com/books/2426-the-end-of-policing
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FLMountainMan
2020-08-14 2:12:42 PM  

whidbey: FLMountainMan: "I can't debate policy because then I have to deviate from my script".

Democrats can support police union reform without "dropping support."

You knew that was what i meant, right?


There we go!  73 comments in, and an ACAB supporter actually has a policy solution!  Good.
 
gar1013
2020-08-14 2:13:06 PM  

IKillBugs: Bravo to them, but I prefer Saison style beers. I feel hops have become a crutch. Just add an ass load of hops to any shiatty beer, and you can sell it. Hard pass.


Haven't tried one of those yet. Maybe I should.

I'm a hardcore fan of Münchner Helles and Kölsch myself.
 
The_Sponge [TotalFark]
2020-08-14 2:13:37 PM  

JesseL: The_Sponge: And if all cops are bastards, then I hope you guys "keep it real" and never call 911 for a situation that would usually call for law enforcement.

What situation would that be? Any emergency I could have will either be better handled by someone else or it will be over before anyone else can get there. I don't need people with guns to save me, I've got a huge stack of my own.

If I call it will only be because my insurance wants a copy of a police report.


What situation?

Witnessing an assault, rape, burglary, hit and run accident, serious road rage, etc.

And you already know that I am pro-Second Amendment AF, but the reality is that I don't carry most days, and even if I did, there would still be situations where I would still call 911 and ask for law enforcement.
 
ace in your face [TotalFark]
2020-08-14 2:13:41 PM  

The_Sponge: And if all cops are bastards, then I hope you guys "keep it real" and never call 911 for a situation that would usually call for law enforcement.


Let's keep it real: At no time, while I was a victim have the cops helped me when I called them. They never recovered my belongings, they didn't arrest the people who stole from me, they didn't put my rapist in jail, they mocked me and treated me poorly while I was begging to be taken to the hospital after being raped, they gave me a ticket when my car was stolen and left in the street by the idiot thief who couldn't drive a stick, and they assaulted me the time I ran to them after being assaulted. So... what the fark are they doing that I'm gonna miss? In 35 years they haven't once fixed a situation or made it better.  Sure, I might want to call them, delusionally thinking they may help, but past experience tells me they aren't going to help shiat anyway.
 
asciibaron
2020-08-14 2:13:50 PM  
bluejeansonfire:
No police is better than barbaric murdering savage demon police, so it'll be worth it either way.

how many police officers are there in the US and how many citizens have been murdered by a police officer in the performance of their duty each year?
 
lenfromak
2020-08-14 2:14:33 PM  
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whidbey
2020-08-14 2:14:50 PM  

FLMountainMan: whidbey: FLMountainMan: "I can't debate policy because then I have to deviate from my script".

Democrats can support police union reform without "dropping support."

You knew that was what i meant, right?

There we go!  73 comments in, and an ACAB supporter actually has a policy solution!  Good.


I love how mad I make you.
 
gar1013
2020-08-14 2:15:56 PM  

lenfromak: [Fark user image image 378x378]


I have one on my phone, so I guess I'm already doing this.
 
KidKorporate
2020-08-14 2:16:47 PM  
Hey let's try it.  No cops, no courts, no jails.  The situation will sort itself out eventually, but probably not in the manner you envisioned.
 
What_Would_Jimi_Do
2020-08-14 2:16:57 PM  
Stunt to get stoopid people to by their shiatty beer.
 
Uncontrolled_Jibe
2020-08-14 2:18:14 PM  

djslowdive: I know the owner. Marched w/ him during a BLM march. He's good people.

/I'm sure some of you jerks will flame me for saying that.
//Don't care


So, how can he be the owner?  Shouldn't he give he means of production to the workers?  Black lives matter is something most everyone agrees with providing it's understood to not be exclusive.  "Black Lives Matter" is a Marxist organization, and is opposed to him.
 
ace in your face [TotalFark]
2020-08-14 2:18:34 PM  

KidKorporate: Hey let's try it.  No cops, no courts, no jails.  The situation will sort itself out eventually, but probably not in the manner you envisioned.


It's almost like that's not actually the solution being proposed and this is just the saddest strawman argument I ever saw

/if you only had a brain
 
JesseL
2020-08-14 2:19:01 PM  

The_Sponge: JesseL: The_Sponge: And if all cops are bastards, then I hope you guys "keep it real" and never call 911 for a situation that would usually call for law enforcement.

What situation would that be? Any emergency I could have will either be better handled by someone else or it will be over before anyone else can get there. I don't need people with guns to save me, I've got a huge stack of my own.

If I call it will only be because my insurance wants a copy of a police report.

What situation?

Witnessing an assault, rape, burglary, hit and run accident, serious road rage, etc.

And you already know that I am pro-Second Amendment AF, but the reality is that I don't carry most days, and even if I did, there would still be situations where I would still call 911 and ask for law enforcement.


Every one of those situations I'd either help myself, or it's just not worth the chance that the police would make it worse. There's none of them they'd actually make better.
 
whidbey
2020-08-14 2:19:32 PM  

KidKorporate: Hey let's try it.  No cops, no courts, no jails.  The situation will sort itself out eventually, but probably not in the manner you envisioned.


Yeah let's try making totally strawman arguments because you don't understand what "defund the police" means.
 
zippyZRX
2020-08-14 2:20:10 PM  
If you want to see what places look like without police let me suggest you move to Darfur.
 
fragMasterFlash [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2020-08-14 2:21:26 PM  

Michael J Faux: fragMasterFlash: I tend to give a hallpass to the older seemingly mellow cops but I can't stand the skinhead ex-mil cops with Punisher tats and an agressive "come at me, bro" attitude in every situation. I suppose I should quit giving the former a pass since they seem perfectly fine with the latter.

t = (1/n [h]) * 1/s

t = trustworthiness of the cop
n = diameter of their neck
h = length of their hair
s = number of skull decals/tats/patches

Hard to calculate while pulling over AND emptying your beer out the window, but it's a sound forumla.


You would pour out perfectly chuggable beer? Delete your Fark account.

;-)
 
FlyinS
2020-08-14 2:21:49 PM  

JesseL: The_Sponge: JesseL: The_Sponge: And if all cops are bastards, then I hope you guys "keep it real" and never call 911 for a situation that would usually call for law enforcement.

What situation would that be? Any emergency I could have will either be better handled by someone else or it will be over before anyone else can get there. I don't need people with guns to save me, I've got a huge stack of my own.

If I call it will only be because my insurance wants a copy of a police report.

What situation?

Witnessing an assault, rape, burglary, hit and run accident, serious road rage, etc.

And you already know that I am pro-Second Amendment AF, but the reality is that I don't carry most days, and even if I did, there would still be situations where I would still call 911 and ask for law enforcement.

Every one of those situations I'd either help myself, or it's just not worth the chance that the police would make it worse. There's none of them they'd actually make better.


Every one of those would be over before anyone got there also, as you previously stated. I know he thinks all those would be just like in the 10000 cop fetish shows on tv where they heroically swoop in to save the day in the nick of time.
 
whidbey
2020-08-14 2:22:38 PM  

zippyZRX: If you want to see what places look like without police let me suggest you move to Darfur.


Libertarian paradises?  Like Somalia?
 
Thunderboy [OhFark]
2020-08-14 2:23:19 PM  

asciibaron: bluejeansonfire:
No police is better than barbaric murdering savage demon police, so it'll be worth it either way.

how many police officers are there in the US and how many citizens have been murdered by a police officer in the performance of their duty each year?


What are you suggesting is the acceptable number?
 
Baloo Uriza
2020-08-14 2:25:26 PM  

FLMountainMan: whidbey: winedrinkingman: I support the police.  That said having been a cop I can honestly say that the best thing you can do to support the police is to remove the bottom third of officers who are racist, violate people's rights, or who fail to live up to the moral obligations that we deserve from police.

By an amazing coincidence these also tend to be the dumbest guys in every department, who screw up other officers' investigations, sexually harasse the female staff, and escalate routine calls into dangerous confrontations for mot just the public, but also all the other cops.

And then there are the unions....

The unions enable them.  I would suggest that for this field, Democrats should drop their support of unions.


There's no reason the police should have a union.  It's the only consistently bad union.
 
Salmon
2020-08-14 2:27:18 PM  

The_Sponge: And if all cops are bastards, then I hope you guys "keep it real" and never call 911 for a situation that would usually call for law enforcement.


I'd feel a heck load better about calling you, my Spongy friend.
 
Thunderboy [OhFark]
2020-08-14 2:27:39 PM  

asciibaron: bluejeansonfire:
No police is better than barbaric murdering savage demon police, so it'll be worth it either way.

how many police officers are there in the US and how many citizens have been murdered by a police officer in the performance of their duty each year?


Also, police are citizens and civilians. Using language that implies they somehow transcend either category is bootlicker 101.
 
neapoi [TotalFark]
2020-08-14 2:29:57 PM  

The_Sponge: FlyinS: Well, they're not wrong.

Yes they are.

ACAB is an ignorant blanket statement.


I love you like a brother from another mother. I'd like to gently suggest that while there may be one or two good hearts in uniform, American policing by in large is farked.
 
Baloo Uriza
2020-08-14 2:32:16 PM  

FLMountainMan: whidbey: FLMountainMan: "I can't debate policy because then I have to deviate from my script".

Democrats can support police union reform without "dropping support."

You knew that was what i meant, right?

There we go!  73 comments in, and an ACAB supporter actually has a policy solution!  Good.


Because it's more or less considered universally that the police need to stop carrying the burden of anything other than keeping the peace and critical public safety needs.  Yet they're stuck dealing with shiat like homelessness and welfare issues that would be best handled by damn near anyone else routinely.

So, cut a decent amount of that funding so they only have the money to focus on their core mission and use that monetary difference to fund HUD, family services, SNAP, etc...
 
BigSquibowski
2020-08-14 2:33:04 PM  

chaoswolf: special20: FTFA: "Around the country, several are brewing their own versions of a beer that shares a single label that reads "Black is Beautiful."

Craft Malt Liquor?

/runs away

Could just be a good stout.

Yes, all cops are bad. Or biatches. Or bastards. Or racist scrotum-walkers. Whatever. They all suck because they all allow their blue line bullshiat to keep the evil rampant.

There are no good cops. Not in this country.


The BIB beer in my fridge is an imperial stout and it is beautiful. Another local one is a stout with cocoa nibs and almond.
 
kobrakai
2020-08-14 2:33:58 PM  

FLMountainMan: Getting rid of all police is stupid and unrealistic


And no one is saying that.
 
vonster
2020-08-14 2:35:19 PM  

asciibaron: bluejeansonfire:
No police is better than barbaric murdering savage demon police, so it'll be worth it either way.

how many police officers are there in the US and how many citizens have been murdered by a police officer in the performance of their duty each year?


Aw shiat. Now you've done it. Heads will be exploding. What a mess.
 
The_Sponge [TotalFark]
2020-08-14 2:36:46 PM  

neapoi: The_Sponge: FlyinS: Well, they're not wrong.

Yes they are.

ACAB is an ignorant blanket statement.

I love you like a brother from another mother. I'd like to gently suggest that while there may be one or two good hearts in uniform, American policing by in large is farked.


Reforms are needed...I completely agree with that.

Side note:

I have a friend in the Seattle PD, and he is nowhere close to Fark's stereotype that police officers are racist goons.
 
The_Sponge [TotalFark]
2020-08-14 2:39:39 PM  

JesseL: The_Sponge: JesseL: The_Sponge: And if all cops are bastards, then I hope you guys "keep it real" and never call 911 for a situation that would usually call for law enforcement.

What situation would that be? Any emergency I could have will either be better handled by someone else or it will be over before anyone else can get there. I don't need people with guns to save me, I've got a huge stack of my own.

If I call it will only be because my insurance wants a copy of a police report.

What situation?

Witnessing an assault, rape, burglary, hit and run accident, serious road rage, etc.

And you already know that I am pro-Second Amendment AF, but the reality is that I don't carry most days, and even if I did, there would still be situations where I would still call 911 and ask for law enforcement.

Every one of those situations I'd either help myself, or it's just not worth the chance that the police would make it worse. There's none of them they'd actually make better.


None?

Okay....how about the hit and run situation?

I could follow the other vehicle, get their license number, and give their location to law enforcement.

And even if I can't follow that car, and least I could give them the license plate info so they can track down the perp.

And the situation is improved because the hot and run driver will be arrested.
 
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